Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Miss Lane]

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

[Miss Lane]

I'll vote Deb when you want

[Miss Lane]

I'm moderately tinfoiling ML is Runelord, but she can't endgame regardless so I'm not particularly worried.

I'm offended

[Miss Lane]

Who are we lynching?

[Miss Lane]

I'm sorry I'm really actually sick right now and can't really put anything into the game at the moment. I'll leash my vote to prolly Ceph or davesaz.

TBH if y'all wanna lynch me rn you can. this is my last game of mafia for quite a while and based on guesstimates I'm assuming we got the rest of the scum and i know we just got cult leader and i really don't have the energy to pour into the game rn, it might be just us two keeping y'all from finishing at this point

i do wanna say that i also had a lot of fun this game and it was super nice playing w/ y'all.

[Miss Lane]

Who are we lynching?

Me, now that the CL is dead.

why are we lynching you i thought you were town?

[Miss Lane]

oh i see

VOTE: rauth

[Miss Lane]

i targeted elements last night

OK. I'll wait for KidAmn and if he didn't Jail Bingle that's where my vote goes.

Also, just realized gobble claimed JOAT. I always had him down as FN. HOWEVER, I don't see UT faking a result on gobble here because UT would be found out if gobble flips Town.

Tinfoil: gobble AND IT are the cult pair, and they're going head-to-head so that whoever flips falsely confirms the other as Town.

If you can confirm elements to have the killing role that he's been claiming to have since day 3, A50 is willing to vote him.

Like literally elements is a 400% mechanically better lynch than gobble.

I'm having significant difficulty understanding why this is the case.

I personally would like Elements to be unblocked so we can get to my <10 and then both leave the game, something about being in this weird in-between period just feels unsettling.

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

No. Ele has proven leash resistant and you’ll know I’m conftown and thus trustworthy. Ceph blocks Ele. You block Dave and A50.

When has he made a bad kill?

[Miss Lane]

When has he made a bad kill?

Creature was a bad kill.

That depends on who you're talking to. You're making the accusation that Elements resists being leashed, and this kill is exceptional evidence to the opposite of that, ESPECIALLY if you think he's a bad kill in person, because a very vocal number of players were requesting that Creature be vigged, which is close enough to the definition of a leash that arguing otherwise is pretty ridiculous, especially considering that I don't remember any players suggesting any other vig shot (although it's possible they were there, just less outspoken.

GE was a bad kill in that he should have been shooting for the CL and Gamma was objectively not the CL. Also, he was supposed to be leashed that night (to A50) and then, you know, didn't do that, which is the more important distinction.

The very fact that you have to justify this by saying that Elements should have been shooting for CL which had not been publicly established weakens your argument for Element's bad shooting even more.

Gamma Emerald was

scum

. You're arguing that Elements' kill of

scum

was anti-town right now. Yes, you and I both know that CL is a mechanically optimal kill for town, but to make the claim that this is a bad kill because you expect everyone else to know that by default is a little much. If it had been publicly established otherwise, maybe, but even then at this point in the game, Elements had shot 1 player who he was aggressively requested to shoot, and 1 player who flipped scum. Your argument for him being anti-town or leash resistant are both a little weak here.

[Miss Lane]

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

No. Ele has proven leash resistant and you’ll know I’m conftown and thus trustworthy. Ceph blocks Ele. You block Dave and A50.

"Elements is leash resistant"

When has he made a bad kill?

Creature was a bad kill.

GE was a bad kill in that he should have been shooting for the CL and Gamma was objectively not the CL. Also, he was supposed to be leashed that night (to A50) and then, you know, didn't do that, which is the more important distinction.

I'm fine with you having the joint win, but you're gonna have to wait for town to get there through lynching because Elements has proven that he's incapable of being trusted to shoot in town's best interests. (Which is fair.)

"Two kills both prior to Elements being outed as SK and therefore attempted to be leashed."

Shut up, lol.

[Miss Lane]

Wow, I'm shaking. Ok time to go do something else for a bit.

[Miss Lane]

Sorry. If y'all wanna roleblock Elements, sure. Just don't make up stupid arguments to defend it.

[Miss Lane]

It had been publicly established. It was literally the entire conversation the prior dayphase. But w/e. I don't think you're going to convince anyone here that elements is both protown enough and paying enough attention to be trusted with a kill.

No. It hadn't. Not on Night 3. And I don't give a fuck about convincing anyone to let Elements be unblocked, I'm just very allergic to bullshit.

What? GE kill was after both you and I had outed knowledge that Ele was SK (my investigation and your claim) AND after Ele had given up on his nexus claim.

My bad, I thought GE had died earlier; your claim is less false than I originally imagined.

Further, he was scheduled to shoot A50, who DEB was supposed to hide behind. Literally the whole reason we didn't lynch DEB the day before. Not only was that protown, it was pro SK because it would have theoretically gotten rid of multiple slots.

Since when has NOT getting rid of multiple slots been pro-SK?

Yes. He's proven leash resistant. If you're going to try to argue otherwise, at least read the relevant parts of the game.

The "at least" here is remarkably ironic, given the amount of ignorance you're insistent on spouting here.

[Miss Lane]

Yes. He's proven leash resistant. If you're going to try to argue otherwise, at least read the relevant parts of the game.

A condescending tone doesn't make a wrong statement true.

[Miss Lane]

Whatever Bingle.

I like you. I'm not shitting on you.

I'm pissed because I hate bullshit and that's what your whole shpeel on Elements looks like to me.

[Miss Lane]

Two things:

The Bugbear stole EP’s bookie ability last night.
I think this kill flavor implicates Miss Lynch as Miss Lynch is a dragon.

LOL wut.

No. I'm not a dragon. I'm a goblin.

[Miss Lane]

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

[Miss Lane]

Not really sure where people are getting the idea to lie about my flavor, but it's starting to get on my nerves.

Actually, I don't know that I think gobble is creative enough to lie like that, so he probably got redirected?

[Miss Lane]

Anyways just in case someone decides that pushing me is a good idea for today (and because I might be gone irl for a while), I'll just reiterate where the argument that I'm a dragon is remarkably inconsistent with my lore (which has been consistent through the course of the game):

I summoned a creature to kill and until that kill threshold has been reached, I am stuck on this mortal plane. If my killer is slain, I become the killer and am stuck here until the end of the game. Why would a dragon that can kill people ever need to kill someone else for them?

[Miss Lane]

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

Possibly three, depending on whether or not there's a kill one of those nights.
I just need to be alive when there is <1/4 of the starting player base and then my summon and I can ascend out of this plane.

[Miss Lane]

Two things:

The Bugbear stole EP’s bookie ability last night.
I think this kill flavor implicates Miss Lynch as Miss Lynch is a dragon.

LOL wut.

No. I'm not a dragon. I'm a goblin.

Oh weird. There was mention of a half dragon in one of the night flavors. I thought we had confirmed who that was

Considering I don't have any night actions, I doubt I've shown up in any of the flavors.

I would check my flavor but my Role PM is on my other account, and it would be a massive hassle to figure out how to log in to that again. I'll ask chkflip to resend it, I guess

[Miss Lane]

just got my role pm agaain

i am a half dragon srry

[Miss Lane]

just got my role pm agaain

i am a half dragon srry

Hmmm been burning people to a crisp recently

no
i don't have night actions

[Miss Lane]

I really don't think ML is a goblin. N1 flavour confirms the existence of a half-dragon this game, we have 2 sources of info on ML's name being Azar Kull (a half-dragon in the lore), and nobody else except maybe A50 or Elements could be a half-dragon.

We need to lynch the Bugbear today because they claimed my bookie power last night.

VOTE: A50

i am a gobline tho

[Miss Lane]

err hobgoblin

but like same thing right

[Miss Lane]

i'm a hobgoblin and a half dragon

[Miss Lane]

Half-dragon hobgoblin cleric of tiamut

[Miss Lane]

I don't think Pink Ball has done anything pro-town all game other than being an IC, lol.

[Miss Lane]

Being alive at this point of the game is the biggest contribution an IC can make and I played really well with my claims from D1 to 5. Game is hard on flavor and I'm not good at that.

Wanna get your name honoured, Miss Lynch?

Considering I've already contributed more to town than a significant number of town players, I believe my name is already pretty honored (at least in my head), but thanks for the offer?

[Miss Lane]

I've definitely been much more of a boon than you.

[Miss Lane]

To be frank, there's no "you" in "honor."

[Miss Lane]

checking will vote a50 if necessary

[Miss Lane]

<10

we need <10

[Miss Lane]

itt buncha math nerds

[Miss Lane]

VOTE: a50

[Miss Lane]

Gobble, EP, shut up. Literally none of my play is consistent w/ Runelord.

I'm not evil because my play has been ridiculously consistent with my claim.

Who sticks their neck out on the line for SK when SK has been about to die?

I was a very major factor in lynching Titus (I very much opposed the town lynches there and bargained w/ FL for him to put his vote down)
I pushed Zoraster over the Worst
I was very much town read and gave up my town read to save Elements when Elements' neck was on the line because it had been figured out he wasn't a Vig.
I pushed very hard for Elements NOT to claim on the very early days when Elements decided to claim w/o me,
Elements' response to me slipping (claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble because I didn't adequately read the flavor) was not to try and push me, but instead ask "why are we not killing this?" Anyone paying attention would notice that's not what town who believes that someone is scum says, it's what a buddy asks so he doesn't have to pretend to push his other buddy.
Instead of just saying I'm Cobble aligned, I slipped and said I'm Death aligned.
I lose if I'm the last Runelord at 9 people and I lied the whole time.
Several members of the scum team iirc have definitely tried to push me very hard at multiple points in the game.
I have tried to save Elements multiple times throughout the game (which doesn't make sense unless I'm backup SK)

I could probably go on and on, this is all just off the top of my head, but seriously trying to push a believable argument off of this is kinda silly.

Like, you can paranoia a lot of shit, but I gave up a HARD TOWN READ from MULTIPLE SOURCES in order to claim SK and additionally in order to save Elements.

[Miss Lane]

If I'm runelord, I have repeatedly fucked both myself and my team for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Arguing that I am and trying to get me lynched before 9 people is the epitome of ignorance. If you're just simply unaware of how utterly over this game is for me if any of what I'm saying isn't true because the game started with 40 players and reached 500 pages, that's fine, I understand. I'm just saying that lynching me or Elements before that 9 players is stupid, as is trying to argue that I"m runelord.

[Miss Lane]

As custom, however, I'll point out that for some reason all the Runelords find a very good reason to push me right before they die, a50 included (and that for some reason seemingly confirms me as scum?).

VOTE: Gobble
I'll change my vote if needed.

[Miss Lane]

@ML it's mechanical at this point. Everything you did in the past doesn't really matter.

Fwiw, you outed yourself in the beginning by not knowing what Cobble was. For all I know, you invented the whole death-aligned 3p story to buy time. But again, it doesn't really matter bcz you have to die next.

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that not only did I slip by claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble, but I put my life on the line to save the SK (who has repeatedly killed Runelords).

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that none of my play wins me the game whatsoever if I'm runelord aligned in the slightest, and pretending the following post isn't justification for your argument that contradicts your original reason for why I should be lynched doesn't make it not so.

I would also point to my tinfoil summoning theory. It's impossible to tell if your <10 wincon isn't actually an exclusive wincon.

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Additionally, I'm going to ignore PB's post, because it has shown the same amount of awareness and depth that most of the rest of his contributions to this game have.

[Miss Lane]

@ML it's mechanical at this point. Everything you did in the past doesn't really matter.

Fwiw, you outed yourself in the beginning by not knowing what Cobble was. For all I know, you invented the whole death-aligned 3p story to buy time. But again, it doesn't really matter bcz you have to die next.

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that not only did I slip by claiming Death aligned instead of Cobble, but I put my life on the line to save the SK (who has repeatedly killed Runelords).

There's a point to being aware that players are capable of anything, and then there's a point to recognizing that none of my play wins me the game whatsoever if I'm runelord aligned in the slightest, and pretending the following post isn't justification for your argument that contradicts your original reason for why I should be lynched doesn't make it not so.

I would also point to my tinfoil summoning theory. It's impossible to tell if your <10 wincon isn't actually an exclusive wincon.

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Additionally, I'm going to ignore PB's post, because it has shown the same amount of awareness and depth that most of the rest of his contributions to this game have.

[Miss Lane]

Just going to point out that lynching me next means that Elements won't leave regardless of whether or not you believe my claim.

[Miss Lane]

THe dragon thing is pretty bullshit.
The last time I looked at my Role PM was when I had access to it on my Enter account, and if you recall, I didn't pay much attention to the flavor hence the slip.

Oh, by the way, go look at the last time I posted as Enter. That's also the last time I was able to log into that account.

[Miss Lane]

I think this point only goes to show that you not only don't believe your push on me as a runelord, but you additionally are likely to be one yourself (making up bullshit for why I should be lynched is something scum have repeatedly done before death. When I get back from work, I can point them all out for you, but either way, lynching me before <10p is straight dumb.

Since you apparently want to ignore the fact that I'm a mason with consistent mason behaviour with gobble and BB, you may also look to the flavour to see several confirmations of my role as a bookie. I can also point you to the dayvig on pisskop of you're so inclined.

None of that is even necessary to your rebut your post here though bcz corellation =/= causation. You are welcome to point all of those pushes out for me, but scums's use of them in the past does not make me scum now. None of them preclude town from making the same type of push.

Sorry, you'll have to forgive me if I stopped paying attention to your slot after that bullshit push on why Wooper was scum and Zoraster was town. Some of the most garbage arguments I've seen made in a while.

[Miss Lane]

ML's behavior towards his flavor yesterday was ridiculous. "I'm not a dragon. Oh wait I'm half dragon my b".

Let's quicklynch gobble and ML and if the game keeps going we solve it like champs. Even if ML is third party I'm ok with him not winning,

this game has turned nightless long ago so lynching him is neutral to our wincon

. Don't lose time discussing until both gobble and ML are dead.

This is a good point. Might as well pivot onto ML today and get rid of the 3p threat.

I'm confused. Why would you want to leave the SK and backup SK alive right now? The cult isn't a threat. The recruiter is dead.

I mean...this is a fair point. I’m more or less convinced that my xofelf paranoia was just that - paranoia.

I don’t think we can risk the possibility of an exclusive 3P (fourth party?) win. Sorry ML

VOTE: Miss Lynch

Good call. The greedy part of me wants to kill gobble for the sweet sweet bookie power, but the safe side of me says we should kill ML just in case.

VOTE: ML

I imagine, with play like this, that you're mislynched a lot as town?

(assuming you're actually confirmed like you say you are?)
I don't think I've seen pro-town play consistently come from this slot since day 3.

[Miss Lane]

Like, in the last post, EP, I'd like to point out how remarkably inconsistent you are at repeated points throughout the game.
At this point I'm assuming you're actually confirmed town like you say you are and this is just mostly unrequested comments, but I'm kinda pissed and tired of dealing with stuff, and this is my last game on site (at least for a little while), so I'm gonna share my undesired two cents.

1. Your push on me right now is textbook scummy. The way you do it - pushing with a lack of conviction (your two points for why I should be lynched contradict each other, you didn't vote me until there was substantial evidence that you could get me lynched) - is a pretty good way to scum tell, generally speaking. One thing that has helped me with behaviors like this is to be less descriptive in why I want to push someone. To be more slow and attentive, and to often vote first, or even just ask a question or two that help drive home a point. If you drop all of your thoughts on the table like that, it's very easy to see they're a scrambled mess with no obvious conclusion. It becomes apparent that your push on me is one of mere paranoia. I've found that being less verbose has very much helped me have a clear view of the game, given reads much needed consistency, and I've found I'm more charismatic in driving home the lynches that need to go home.
2. Stop flailing at me.

[Miss Lane]

Also, you should recognize that while anyone can do anything, getting paranoid about a slot that has repeatedly made mechanically pro-town moves and shown large amounts of anti-scum behavior being scum will only win you games on a fluke. IMO, no one (town or scum) deserves to lose to someone who votes them because they got paranoid and voted one of the most consistently pro-town players in the game. It sucks to be the towniest member alive and then lose because everyone got paranoid cuz you're too town to be town, and it sucks to be scum who lost because you played too well. The town that lynches that scum doesn't even deserve to win, IMO. I'm not even really talking about me here, I'm talking about a general site perspective I've observed that seems to stem from the mindset you display right now.

[Miss Lane]

Eh, I'll admit I might be flailing a bit, TBH. It's probably some combination of getting so close to finally winning the game and people threatening to screw it up even though it doesn't even concern them, my habitual desire to yell at inconsistencies, and the fact that this is my last game on site for a while.

I appreciate the tip, BTW, however my incapacity to sign into my account is my own. I changed my password to a google chrome suggested password and then had google chrome forget it. I will do the same with this account when this game is done. If I ever need to log back into these accounts, I'll just use the "forgot my password" links, but I have no intention of doing that. I have every intention of this being the last game I play on site.

[Miss Lane]

Whatever. I really just hate the whole "everyone come at ML once they realize they're on death row" dig. I feel like I've put a lot more into this game than a majority of users, I've been consistently pro-town and I'm proud of my play. If you lynch me I'll be pissed and then I'll move on with my life

[Miss Lane]

I've seen too many people be all about talk and not have action to back it up. I'd rather leave in silence then make a big deal about and not leave at all.

And as much as I absolutely despise some of the practices and mindsets on this site, getting myself banned means I don't have control over whether or not I come back - it raises the likelihood that I will come back. If I instead pretend there's a possibility I do come back, then I have control of whether or not I do, highly increasing the likelihood I won't because the only reason that I would (in that scenario) is if I had any desire to come back, and I don't. Also, getting myself banned just makes me look like a raging lunatic. I'd much rather have morons on the internet say and do stupid things that implicate and make fools of themselves and despise them in silence than openly confront the stupidity again just to find out that there's so much more than I ever reckoned possible.

[Miss Lane]

There are certain people that have processes, perspectives, or conclusions that just cannot be reasoned with, and there are far too many of them for me to try and fix or help them all. At this point it seems to be much better to just let people repeatedly stab themselves with a knife until they figure out that they're the source of their own pain. Taking the knife away just makes people want a sword.

[Miss Lane]

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

I don't know how you manage to completely miss the point so consistently.

People are arguing I should be lynched because I'm scum.
I'm pointing out how obviously not scum I am.

You're talking about something completely different.
Once again.

I don't know how you manage to so repeatedly place your hand in the oven and not realize it's the source of your burn.
Shut up.

[Miss Lane]

PB I think pretty much every one of your posts has been just about as out of touch as that last one, if not more so.
Why are you still talking?

[Miss Lane]

Ah yes, that's very consistent with my play.

[Miss Lane]

Also if you want to see my reads on D1 you'll find out they're better than all of your contributions. I think I have only failed voting pisskop and maybe in one of the mislynches. You have nothing on me bae

1. I don't give a shit what your shit thrown at a wall on day 1 looks like compared to any sort of actual contribution
2. I think you're laughable for trying to compare yourself to me.

[Miss Lane]

No, I'm pretty sure yelling at morons is just really consistent with my play, regardless of how much you'd like to justify your intellectual vacancy.

Also, I'm almost certain I've made it clear that while I'll be somewhat pissed if I get lynched, I'm plenty capable of getting over myself.

[Miss Lane]

@Pine I'm not saying 3p is pro-town. I'm saying my play is pro-town. i'm also really not interested in engaging yo uover this rn

[Miss Lane]

@pink ball, i'm not salty because i'm getting lynched for two reasons
1. I'm not getting lynched
2. if i get lynched, that's one day sooner i can leave

[Miss Lane]

@pine if you think I should be the next lynch and you were just keeping me around all these days to waste my time, put forth the effort and lynch me. i don't care enough to combat legitimate arguments, i just get some strange sense of recompense for shitting of half-wits for stupidity.

and i'm sorry for getting mean, i didn't want this to get to this place, i feel like this whole back and forth is a giant waste of time because i don't think it's getting anyone anywhere, but i have a very hard time ignoring dumbass arguments when they directly involve me.

[Miss Lane]

if you're going to say something somewhat competent and get me lynched, please do so and get it over with. if i'm gonna lose, we've already wasted far too much of my time anyways.

also i'm sorry it reeks of ate to you, i hate ate, that's why i tried not bringing up that i'm not playing any more after this and why i tried not bringing up a lot of things, actually.

[Miss Lane]

FTR, I don't think Pink Ball is a moron. I think he's just gotten very much complacent and feels that he needs not pay much attention to this game anymore. I think he has this game marked as "in the bag" and now he's just saying things to speed the game along. That said, I don't really have the tolerance for half-assed arguments right now, so I honestly would just prefer if he'd vote me and then prodge for a bit.

[Miss Lane]

i know that the threshold is 3/4 of player base
i know that if my partner (elements) dies i have to take his role
i know that i can leave this realm with him once our purpose is accomplished, regardless of his fulfillment of wincon

role and alignment, meaning i lose prior wincon

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

Interesting. These versions of how ML's ability work are in contradiction to one another, and also in contradiction to the supposed "I haven't looked at my role PM lately."

no. they aren't.

like i said, i never fully read my flavor text, nor did i particularly care to. that said, i have a very good head for mechanicals, and none of what i said in these posts contradicts each other

[Miss Lane]

in post one, i said that we both leave when my wincon is accomplished
in post two, i said that i lose my wincon and gain his if i die (he is unaware of my wincon given i am a traitor, this is why he responded the way he did to me, and also why i went on the tirade about mods who include traitors in their game)
in post three, i said taht we both leave when my wincon is accomplished

[Miss Lane]

Funnily enough, context matters.

[Miss Lane]

i read my role pm, memorized what i thought was important and ignored everything else.
i've never played in a game where flavor was of any importance because in my opinion that kind of game really sucks to play.

[Miss Lane]

there's a non-zero chance that the game ends and they win if we get to 10p. winning a 40p game as an SK would be fucking hard. I can see that being a way of balancing it.

regardless the cult is of absolutely zero threat to us at this point whereas the SK(s) with an unknown wincon are

we should kill the third party that can actually, you know, kill us. I'd rather only deal with one faction with a killing ability.

Unpopular opinion, I wouldn't be super mad if that was the case.

It'd be pretty unfortunate considering we can avoid it.

This isn't an argument.
TBH I don't know if you guys also win when I leave or not, but I'm pretty sure you do, and I'm 100% willing to say you did if for some reason you don't. I think that would pretty disgusting modding practice to not let you also win if you let me leave, TBH.

[Miss Lane]

I straight up do not believe that you’ve never clarified your wincon, which tells me that it IS exclusive. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be vague.

The first part of the first sentence says you believe I've clarified my WINCON. I don't understand how that leads to the second part of that sentence at all.. It also doesn't follow into the second sentence.
What do you mean by "exclusive?" You accused me of contradicting myself, which I have not done, and you fail to point out where exactly I did contradict myself when I called you out on your bullshit earlier.
Where am I being vague?
Elements and I leave the game when fewer than a quarter of the original player base is left.

[Miss Lane]

I have four vote strength right now. You are three votes weaker. Unless you convince Elements to vote me, we are at a standstill. I leave tomorrow with Elements if we let this lynch go through. The votes are currently on xofelf. I highly request we lynch her so we can win our game and you can continue on with yours. Otherwise we will be forced to maintain this position indefinitely.

[Miss Lane]

lol

[Miss Lane]

Elements

My dude

There's no way for you to win here, so take the spiritual Vig win and help us kill obvious

third fourth fifth

sixth party

extra omega lul

[Miss Lane]

I have four vote strength right now. You are three votes weaker. Unless you convince Elements to vote me, we are at a standstill. I leave tomorrow with Elements if we let this lynch go through. The votes are currently on xofelf. I highly request we lynch her so we can win our game and you can continue on with yours. Otherwise we will be forced to maintain this position indefinitely.

Lmao, my bookie power was doubevoting today.

well that's dumb

See ya later.

hopefully not

[Miss Lane]

Eh. This is fine I guess.

VOTE: xofelf
We can lynch someone else if you guys want.

funny story, I was definitely thinking of taking EP's vote. I woulda won if I'd done that. Funny how shit works sometimes.

[Miss Lane]

like i was like "hmm, should i take pine or EP?'

but then i was like "no, pine has his moments of charisma, i'd rather him be voteless."

[Miss Lane]

xofelf at l-2. we need elements and 1 more.

[Miss Lane]

if elements didn't submit a kill last night i lose any sense of responsibility for our loss.

if he did, i still only feel a very tiny amount of responsibility, but either way, meh.

[Miss Lane]

still very much reveling in gobble and his "ML is just salty she's getting lynched today" yesterday. i guess my acting is better than i thought, although i really wasn't going for "salty" so maybe not?

[Miss Lane]

Although in a weird roundabout way, I think getting lynched here will actually help me so much in not coming back here.

i have this problem where i romanticize the idea and theory of mafia and then i sign up for games because i forget there are things like EP's argument for why Wooper should have been the lynch. I forget there are players like TSE. i forget the status quo is to just mindlessly follow the pattern you have since the day you got on the site. i forget that games are often completely devoid of any attempt at rationality or collaberation, players just wanna list the most possible names they can as having been scum so they can be "right" at the end of the game and feel self-rightously angry even though they repeatedly completely fucked their team over. i forget that "reads" are put on a pedestal above everything else and selective memory teaches people that their reads are always right even when they're most often wrong. this site consistently lowers my standard for the median person, and that makes me angry because at least in theory that's not what this site is about. At least not to me. Maybe I'm just crazy and everything I'm observing is wrong and it's me who's fucked up. I don't know. At this point, I don't care. I really fucking hope i die soon, though. I hope i die irl.

[Miss Lane]

tbh i really hope EP is scum because in theory i really like him

i really really really really really really really really want to believe that his argument for wooper being scum was all because he was scum and was trying to save zoraster

[Miss Lane]

to be fair to TSE, this is a terrible place to learn how to play mafia, so i expect a large portion of his bad habits and playstyle will go away much much slowwer than they should, because i think he's very smart, he just very very much missses the point on a lot of things and this site is so absolutely bad for anyone to learn good habits for playing mafia or how to interact with people in a healthy way

[Miss Lane]

I lashed out at the player base in ways I shouldn't have.
I'm sorry.

I wanted to blame everyone else but the truth is that I fucked up really bad in several places. I should have read the flavor, I shouldn't have gotten arrogant and lynched gobble early (TBH he tilted me when he said I was mad I was getting lynched today, and I thought I could stick it to him by proving I wasn't). I shouldn't have manipulated the votes I did to get rid of xofelf. That was slightly less avoidable due to my own lack of knowledge, but I made an assumption when I probably shouldn't have.

I wish I played in hydras more because I really just need someone else to do the PR stuff for me, because I just can't. I'm too impulsive, rash, and I have a bit of a temper, even though I think the way that I play is generally pretty close to optimal. I will say I was pretty frustrated with Elements making some of the decisions he did, but largely I think I still could have won this for both of us if I'd been a little less patient and a little more amiable.

Good game everyone.

[Miss Lane]

Also I'm putting at least part of the blame on the MafTiger theme for being so difficult to deal with.

[Miss Lane]

[quote=gobble]Sending my energy that EP gets on before ML[/quote]

No joke stayed up taking short naps and checking the thread all weekend because chkflip forgot to open the thread when it was supposed to open (or he was busy) and it was opened like 48 hours late so that I could alter votes before anyone could do anything about it just because I was scared that town would catch on and quicklynch me when the game started again

[Miss Lane]

ugh

[Miss Lane]

I’d be salty too if I felt like everything was ticking along nicely and I was about to get a 3p win only to have town suddenly come to its senses and go “actually you’re a 3p we’re lynching you as insurance” when you were townsiding all game

Someone understands me.