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Fuck, even in non-secret hydras I get at least one of these every game.
It's dull. Do better
It's not going to be hard figuring this head out.
And actually, are we a secret?Cena and Savage wrote:VOTE: kublai khan good job ramcius you already caught scum
yeah you, I'm talking to you.Cena and Savage wrote:I mean you're talking about policy lynches day 1 in a meme wrestling game and are toxic but good job-
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In post 21, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeeeeeah. I'm good parking my vote exactly where it is. Someone is excited to be scum.
And that someone is....Spoiler:
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So don't try to figure out our IDENTITY and figure out our ALIGNMENT, since you literally can't see me!In post 27, Kublai Khan wrote:Why did you vote Wondertank in your first vote?
Why are you taunting people with your anonymity?
I'm guessing you're voting me for being a second vote on you. Confirm/deny?
For the record, I don't know who you are and I find being distracted with trying to figure out your identity to be a dumb distraction.
Yeah, we're voting you for naked voting immediately after a policy lynch vote with no comment on the previous vote, BRO.
Now it seems like you're BACKPEDALED since you're re-spinning your vote as being about our OP.
But we're too OP FOR YOU BRO
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lol we gottem boys, I'm ready to end day on this slotIn post 38, Kublai Khan wrote:misrepping
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Are you arguing "voting someone for being in a hydra" is outside of KK's scumrange? I don't think "naked voting for bad reasons" is outside anyone's scumrangeIn post 42, Wondertank wrote:
This is why you voted them in the first place, right? If so, then you might actually be town for it...Hmm. You're kind of angling towards it, why not just state it?In post 35, Kublai Khan wrote:So it wasn't because they were a hydra themselves?
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I think Randy wanted to see just how MANLY you are if it's that post you think was a TAUNTIn post 44, Kublai Khan wrote:taunt
But I think you playing up a "taunt" about this is you trying to GENERATE EMOTION off NAI CONTENT and it's very SCUMMY
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IT'S JOHN CENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIn post 43, Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm really confused. Is he roleplaying John Cena or is he claiming that as his flavor
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Scum is annoyed I'm burying their buddy on page 3
YOU READY FOR SMACKDOWN?
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What's your point? I was saying that was a bad reason to townread him, that's not why I think he's scum.In post 63, scotmany12 wrote:KK is hardly the only person in this game to, in your words, "naked vote for bad reasons"
Are you following the conversation?
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VOTE: Panzerjager
Like let's look at these posts
>Player gives himself permission to deathtunnel for NAI reasons
>Slot doubles down on AtE for basically no reason
>Does 0 real solving
>Insists here for a good time
>This seems unlikely given opening posts
Xtoxm tried to pull a similar deathtunnel for bad reasons in TM iirc, so deathtunnels for NAI bullshit isn't even kinda sorta townie
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WHAT? 20 posts in 10 pages is "spamming" as the third highest poster? What is "generally obnoxious" in my posts exactly? All I saw from you was asking if I was roleplaying or not and now you're adding your ante to Panzer's tantrum?In post 196, Untrod Tripod wrote:spamming the thread and being generally obnoxious
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I have a lot of town on slots I wouldn't expect, Battle Mage, DGB, Flubber, FlippyNips, Ram
I'd null/town Drew and Reck
Odd early gamestate but whatever I'll take the town where I can find it
Is this a reference to something?In post 175, hiplop wrote:STEAK
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I wasn't surprised, I was asking what the purpose of your post was. Are you trying to dogpile me because you scumread me, do you townread UT and Panzer? Does any of this have to do with reads or are you just going out of your way to bring up toxic bullshit to pollute the gamestate even more?
If you're just adding on posts not to advance the game but just to make things more toxic then yeah, I'm wondering what your goals are. Why do you think asking your goals is me being "surprised"?
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There's pretty much a 0% chance the amount of toxic bullshit being pushed on me is all coming from town, these are grown ass men acting like someone just took their binkie. In some games scum might try to play peacemaker but at this point it's more likely scum are trying to demoralize the game and pollute readsIn post 209, Lavender wrote:Have to say this is the most hostile game I’ve been in.
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Like, Kublai Khan's position isn't incomprehensible. He says he was voting me because he disliked the excited tone of my RVS. That's not scummy; what was scummy was him naked voting following the policy lynch post and then insisting that his vote had nothing to do without without making clear that he was not buying into the policy lynch logic in pages 1-2. If he was town, he could continue to push but he would make clearer that he wasn't buying in for that reason. Allowing that perception to unfold and then crying about "misreps" when I say that's exactly how his position looks, that is scummy.
However, there are worlds where KK is town. In those worlds, there are scum trying to dogpile me with this bullshit negative sentiment, probably to try to pocket some combination of whatever is town inside KK/PZ/UT. My posts have not been so "obnoxious" to justify the amount of shade being pushed on me and the attempt to dogpile is like wildly scummy in this gamestate. If scots is town and is unaligned with PZ then it's scummy as shit that he is flipping out over the mod trying to make the game less toxic when PZ's posts are wildly, wildly toxic.
People white knighting PZ here are scummy as well since PZ's posting is not townie and giving him more towncred gives him leeway to be more toxic and more disruptive to the gamestate.
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do you have other reads?
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Xtoxm in the normal as wellIn post 232, chennisden wrote:This is literally what DEB did when he rolled scum in TM lol
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I'm really confused, I had to ISO my other beautiful head to see people had issues with.
Other than secret identity and reactivity to the hostility of this slot ??? I don't know, I find my head to be quite reasonable here.
Plus, I haven't played with anyone who's most upset about this being a secret hydra, before.So if this is a meta hangup, it's not valid to 1/2 of the equation.
I'll discuss with my other head if they want to out identities, but even in the event that this take is advantageous for us as a hydra, does it warrant this response? And if it's AI, is it really black-and-white?
Questionable, yes, but we're not immoral. Let's have a time-out.
Also, this should be a grossly huge hint on who 1/2 of this hydra is. Y'all pushed me to getting out the kitties on page 10, damn.
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In post 251, Cena and Savage wrote:I'm really confused, I had to ISO my other beautiful head to see people had issues with.
Other than secret identity and reactivity to the hostility of this slot ??? I don't know, I find my head to be quite reasonable here.
Plus, I haven't played with anyone who's most upset about this being a secret hydra, before.So if this is a meta hangup, it's not valid to 1/2 of the equation.
I'll discuss with my other head if they want to out identities, but even in the event that this take is advantageous for us as a hydra, does it warrant this response? And if it's AI, is it really black-and-white?
Questionable, yes, but we're not immoral. Let's have a time-out.
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For the record, this is my 4th post? 2nd since page 1, so I'm free for someone to speak with me.
Also, this should be a grossly huge hint on who 1/2 of this hydra is. Y'all pushed me to getting out the kitties on page 10, damn.
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Oh no, my prod on you wasn't meant to be out of frustration, I wanted to see your reaction. I think people are finding the responses of this hydra to be more serious than they are.In post 253, Ramcius wrote:
I'm pretty sure they complained about my RVS on them, so it's on me for not thinking through before making that jokeIn post 250, PJ. wrote:Also having the audacity to complain to the mod when they are the asshole has honestly moved this beyond something I'm willing to let go.
As for their anonymity - I'm here to play mafia, not meta simulator, so I will judge them for what they do, not for who they are. Sometimes people just want to play mafia without being haunted by their past
I'll be honest and say that I am bored of people who have immediate issues with hydra because there's always at least 1 in a game, and both town/scum do this, and it immediately corrodes town cohesion and game health.
So, to help find a difference, I "pushed" you for a reason, you felt genuine. 15 and 17. My head and I believe Page 1 interactions can be very solid, so we intentionally said things that would get people's attention.
We figured you (Ramcius) were coming from a town mindset who wasn't going to push-down on an idea whichpeople would actually use to lynch us, and have attempted to understand a viewpoint.
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JC and I are very tonally different, so I won't be so anal about sigging everything if I forget? 254
Yes, all hydra's in this world are in a secret alliance where voting the other warrants policy lynches. My head and I have sinned, and must die.In post 48, Kublai Khan wrote:
If I'm in a game with a hydra, I just about always vote the hydra first. They pinged me a little stronger than your team because they voted your team without any explanation. So it seems a little hypocritical.In post 42, Wondertank wrote:
This is why you voted them in the first place, right? If so, then you might actually be town for it...Hmm. You're kind of angling towards it, why not just state it?In post 35, Kublai Khan wrote:So it wasn't because they were a hydra themselves?
I know I'm projecting and it's all going to be dismissed as try-hard nonsense, but gut reactions are what they are.
One of the most productive entrances so far. +1In post 71, Battle Mage wrote:Cena and Savage are both good guys, believe that!
Kublai Khan - not sold either way.
I'm always mildly suspicious of people who say an early dispute is "town vs town". So let's open withVote: Wondertank
Solid question.In post 72, Wondertank wrote:
What's your gripe with it if you don't even have a lean on KK yourself?In post 71, Battle Mage wrote:Cena and Savage are both good guys, believe that!
Kublai Khan - not sold either way.
I'm always mildly suspicious of people who say an early dispute is "town vs town". So let's open withVote: Wondertank
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The dissonance between questioning and sorting at the same time feels more likely to come from scum; I'm not fond of the T-T paint, but I'm a horrid culprit of doing that as town much more than scum.In post 73, Wondertank wrote:
I actually agree with you with what you said regarding Cena and our slot, but I do think there's an arguement for KK being scum, though I need to engage him a bit more.In post 71, Battle Mage wrote:Cena and Savage are both good guys, believe that!
Kublai Khan - not sold either way.
I'm always mildly suspicious of people who say an early dispute is "town vs town". So let's open withVote: Wondertank
Either way, both thought processes of each hydra head are nuanced enough to make me think they're a townlean.
I see no reason for the claim having happened, so I have no opinion.In post 86, xRECKONERx wrote:Orton feels like a third-party claim to me tbh.
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Town, not scum... I can make a thread on putting the wrong word on something.In post 255, Cena and Savage wrote:The dissonance between questioning and sorting at the same time feels more likely to come fromtown; I'm not fond of the T-T paint, but I'm a horrid culprit of doing that as town much more than scum.
Either way, both thought processes of each hydra head are nuanced enough to make me think they're a townlean.
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Yeah, the only one who could complain about being an anon hydra is boon, but he could probably figure me out in thirty seconds if he carwd anyway.
For everyone else, a sinple question: are you actively using meta for every other player in this list? No? Then 'zomg advantage anonymity' is a full of shit argument. I have either 0 history or only 1-2 games with almost everyone in this playerlist and wouldn't expect big meta arguments anyway. Acting like you need my head when none of the people bitching about it know me is bad faith. Again, these are not people using meta anyway. And continuing to push this argument is past the point of bad faith to the point of actively corroding thr gamestate with bullshit reasons to not solve organically.
Also I have never seen people throw tantrums like this and I have hydra'd a lot. I guarantee this game's toxicity has literally nothing to do with me. Given panzer's play toward ali, every move he makes is structured as either a policy lynch or a personality conflict so he is pretty much exclusively using toxicity for his play so far.
Who am I? I'm John Fucking Cena. If you need more than that you're not playing this game, you're playing some other one.
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Is this take from rvs? How far through the game are you?In post 269, gobbledygook wrote:Reck is town
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I don't think 'I was hoping you'd roll town with me but I don't think you did' is a meta argumentIn post 241, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Cena and Savage are hidden identities, but they were using meta earlier on me, weren’t they?
Lol, yeah, I’m with you lot. Down with Cena and Savage!!! (For me in a scum way, though)
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I think you're both town, but if I'm wrong and one of you is scum, the other is definitely townIn post 314, gobbledygook wrote:What did you mean by hard chainsaw on reck/gob?
Not sure if that's correct use of word 'chainsaw' but that's what I meant
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ORIn post 346, chennisden wrote:this game of guess... wait, i've said this before
meta is trash
and not being on your main allows means you can just put that noise to the side and, in theory, play the game
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Battle Mage, Alisae, want to join in on this?In post 384, Ramcius wrote:2 slots that are trying to play or a 1 slot that throwing tantrum? I'm fine with using my finisher on you tonight, if we can get more people interested
If we have four people that agree to finish Panzer then the only way he should be saved would be if scum use protective on him which would give us a fair amount of info on the setup
My preference though would still be to simply lynch the slot though VOTE: Panzer given he's still doing nothing other than complaining about his empty policy lynch push
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Anyway here's the blockings I'd go for:
Team 1: Vigs panzerjager
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Team 2: vigs flavor leaf? they can discuss and decide vs. flubber
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Team 3: can choose vig shot together
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Team 4: vigs.... something in team 5?
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Team 4: needs to justify their continued existence by vigging scum
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The appeal of teams of 3 vs teams of 4 is whether we imagine scum have a roleblocker vs. whether we believe scum have a scum protective vs. whether we want to totally shut down all town PRs vs whether we want to make it very hard for scum to manage nightkills.
I was thinking teams of 4 would be better since a) then if there was a very strong TPR in the group they could still act and b) there's enough ??? slots in this game that I don't want to mislynch people because they forgot to submit a night action
But you might be right that forming a poe of slots where there would HAVE to be a multitasking scum player might be informative as well
I'm still thinking about it and was trying to decide whether getting town to agree to synchronized finishes was worth the effort since forcing it would require me to claim, but you're right that some amount of leadership does allow town an immense amount of power in eliminating scummy or PoE slots
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right but 2/3 of those slots replaced out and the other is definitely dying before tomorrow so... like slots like Reck and UT might not love hydras but they're at least capable of reason so I'm not really worried about their sentimentsIn post 426, gobbledygook wrote:I only really said it because when I was doing my read through several people expressed dislike for the hydrae in the game. It was more as a way for those people to have agency in removing something they do not want in the game, but still going along with my plan.
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Anyway my mason partner was arguing they didn't want to claim but if we are going for mass finishes night 1 then I would need to claim so people aren't wasting shots and I'm strongly inclined to claim the other mason as well. They also don't think the mass finishes plan will gain support so they will probably only out if the mass finishes plan gains traction
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Second team 4 should have been team 5
was playing around, originally was actually going to do teams of 5 people since I wanted to give some tprs room to work but actually the collective vigging power is probably stronger than anything any individual tpr has so maybe we even want to go down to groups of 3?
But if we're doing groups of 3 I'm going to get very insistent that we actually just lynch panzer today because that slot is never alive on day 2.
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I was going to start pushing for the mass finishes plan today anyway and if it actually is going to be realized it is correct to claim mason because:In post 430, gobbledygook wrote:Why did you claim mason?
a) people cannot be using finishes on me
b) we need to get enough town cohesion that slots have the chance to respond to the intended vig shots/finishes
c) I don't really think you're the only slot that was thinking what you said on the last page and I don't want to find out there's more people thinking "herpaderp finishing hydras is protown" on night 1
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