Can't believe I'm only on about page 2 of a catchup/read-in and need to look back. Spicy.In post 44, Miss Lane wrote:It is specificallyIn post 36, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Come on yall. I'm so scummy for asking a legit question? This is what mafia is all about. Bring it on, and then in a few days we can watch the actual scum fumble around for an explanation about it.notasking the question that is scummy. This is not even close to an accurate representation of my stance on you, and the fourth post you've made this game that reeks of dishonesty.
SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!
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Another thing I need to read again slowly.In post 49, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: Because the goddamn rules say don't ask questions about a myriad of things???Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Pretty sure we've played together more recently than that, but confirm you've been largely dormant for quite a while.In post 68, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:It's probably been at least 3 or 4 years since I was playing consistently, but I've played at least 2 or 3 games a year since, on and off, all Newbies.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Bottom of 7. It's a work day and posting speed is exceeding reading speed.
I didn't notice the player list that much before. Hype.
VOTE: Hoctac
for making an alt/hydra that I'm going to confuse with too many people.
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OK this one I caught the first time I read it. The auto VC and manual are formatted differently.In post 194, Miss Lane wrote:
Exactly.In post 193, farside22 wrote:Oooo wait nix that thought, just iso the mod and he has a vote count inbetween post.
That's weird
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Yeah I finally reached the point where I actually noticed "squiggle in the name no ~lynch".In post 300, Miss Lane wrote:i fel like if you're going to rvs someone for having a ridiculous acccount name it should be no lynch
that's just me
I mistakenly read the voting rule to say that we have to vote with the weird character to not vote anyone.
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BTW the comment about bad vision wasn't an idle one. I ctrl-+ the font size up when reading. I probably wouldn't have seen the squiggle at all reading it on the phone.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Not sure who you're referring to, too many with those initials.In post 378, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:There is only one AP.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Agree. Dunno why people treat games like a chat room either. I do not object to reasonable amounts of conversation that has some hope of leading to alignment. There shouldn't be such a thing as a "meme game" imo.In post 442, Nero Cain wrote:dunno why ppl join games to take them not seriously. It feels like it would be insulting to the mod/reviewers that put a decent amount of work in (and other players that are actually playing. It also breaks the spirit of the game rule, I think.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I feel like mastina's reads are mostly made up, and the stated level of seriousness is a lie.
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Not for someone whose "location" of "socially distant" is true both in normal times and in covid times. For me it's 100% noise.In post 462, Auro wrote:I think "chat room posts" could be sortable in quite a few cases.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Many people would see such behavior as "fence sitting".In post 60, Vecna wrote:you realized it was something scum often do early, but then added some relativism by seeing how town would also do it.
I heartily approve of nuance in posting. "Scum would often do X but sometimes town does X too" isnotfence sitting, it's giving useful nuance by shading it like 75% gray instead of black. Calling that fence sitting is lazy at least, and disingenuous scum at times.
Bottom line I think the quote is fine, and it's a good reason to give someone town points. (in this case Vecna giving Nero points IIRC)Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I made a comment on one early post.In post 466, Nero Cain wrote:Dave, what do u think of Vecna?
Was there anything in particular you're interested in?
Generally Vecna seems more reasonable than what I expect from the first 3-4 page-downs in iso, but I don't have any specific memories of scum/town differences so I can't say what that means.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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If you're interpreting my chat room comment to mean conversational tone in general, that's not what I mean.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I like {liking wagons}, but I like {liking wagons} better when accompanied by a reason the wagon is liked.
I don't have a mastina opinion yet. Mostly because I skimmed too fast. Seems a reasonable/important thing to develop at this juncture.
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So you use this broken technology for what reason?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Did you read the 2nd sentence of the 1st quoted post?In post 504, farside22 wrote:In post 463, davesaz wrote:I feel like mastina's reads are mostly made up, and the stated level of seriousness is a lie.
I don't know yet if it's AI.
Can you tell me how you go from saying you feel mastina reads are made up to not having an oppinion on her?In post 483, davesaz wrote:I like {liking wagons}, but I like {liking wagons} better when accompanied by a reason the wagon is liked.
I don't have a mastina opinion yet. Mostly because I skimmed too fast. Seems a reasonable/important thing to develop at this juncture.
I don't remember FL being nervous about joining wagons before.
And i find mysel disagreeing with her about EtL.
This is just par for the course.
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There are reasons townies might do that.
It would be up to mastina to respond. Interjecting like this isn't helpful.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I will say that "I've never been so obvtown" on page ~20 is not a confidence-inspiring type of comment.
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@No łynch : you can read this as a request for you to provide a reason.In post 483, davesaz wrote:I like {liking wagons}, but I like {liking wagons} better when accompanied by a reason the wagon is liked.
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@mastina: you can treat this as a request to explainIn post 463, davesaz wrote:I feel like mastina's reads are mostly made up, and the stated level of seriousness is a lie.
I don't know yet if it's AI.
1) how you can have that many reads so early if it's serious?
2) if it's not serious what were you expecting to get from it?
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Pausing at the bottom of 24 to say that I got really confused for a bit there because I thought Miss Lynch is an Elements alt, and wondered what on earth was going on.
Then I realized ML is an Enter alt, not Elements. Makes a whole lot more sense that way lol.
Pedit: I know damn well it didn't take that long to write this. 5 new posts.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I don't agree with mastina about townbinning people off just a couple posts. That's far too dangerous. Even 10-20 can be too few.
Being that willing to put that much detail out there for TRs could be coming from town. Scum would be going out on a limb in a normal game. In a basically cult game though, TRs aren't going to be static anyway so it would be less of a risk to do that.
I don't like the self meta. Admittedly I do tend to say that people who know me should town read me, but I don't try to raise it to near trust tell levels of confidence.
Actually I'm going to say it again. There is much less value in finding town reads this game. The goal has to be nailing scum and noticing the subtle changes that come from being infected.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Actually I wonder if scum strategy would be to form a townblock and subvert it.
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I think it's critical to know whether infected become aware of who other infected and/or mafia are, or if they just know they're infected.In post 689, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I don’t Know how to deal with alignment switches so I’m not gonna worry about it until tomorrow
I don't remember if the 1st page said anything about this. I think it's too close to bedtime to try to grok it right now.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Are you aware you're both implying you know I'm (currently) town?
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In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:
why did u feel like this was an important question?In post 443, Auro wrote:Does that apply to bastard games the same way, though?
This seems weird. I looked at the page containing 443 and there was a discussion on the topic of that post.In post 464, Nero Cain wrote:b/c I think scum like to debate about things that have nothing to do with the game. so the look busy while adding nothing and I sorta feel like that's what you were doing.
Also not a fan of you answering my q with another q.
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Are you getting / seeing any replies to the things that you do question?In post 722, farside22 wrote:I'm seeing a lot of nonsense that I can't relate anything too.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Seems pretty easy to read.
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This was a fat juicy pitch over the plate and it wasn't swung on. I'm disappointed.In post 748, Tchill13 wrote:@nero would you consider my early game actual scum hunting opposed to farside's?
I liked farside mainly due to the questions early game. If farside thinks they were hollow im not sure if I should have liked farside that much for them.
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I don't see it for certain. Not sure who you're asking.In post 793, Auro wrote:OK there how is Elements solidly town?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh duh.In post 797, Auro wrote:
@Dave: 2 posts above thatIn post 791, Vecna wrote:Element is solidly town here
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I think the lack of follow through and acting lost is good enough reason to wagon.
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Oh look, voted voted.
I don't approve of how voted voted. Care to explain more?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 807, Voted wrote:Vecna is obvious scum. He scumsliped in 774.
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Is it just me or do the attempts at humor/semi-trolling from this account feel forced and not very natural? Or is it just because its nowhere near funny?In post 509, Null Vote wrote:Sorry, no one here knows the 5G conspiracy. I have already tested it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The only difference between this and what farside said was you mentioning the pressure.In post 857, Quick wrote:Okay. I feel like an honest answer would be something like, "I was getting a lot of pressure and decided to get off my ass and do something about it." but you do you I guess.
I don't think mentioning or not mentioning it has any bearing on honesty, and furthermore it's possible that farside doesn't feel pressure at this point anyway.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think farside had more followup than it appeared.
UNVOTE:
5G and Jake bother me. Creature replaced in and didn't post which is quite unusual.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Uh oh, I'm suddenly on page 39 of 60. I hope this doesn't include 10+ pages of creature spamming a one line at a time catchup.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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On page 40 we have Quick talking to ETL about two completely different things like they are connected.
I agree that Quick's "ooh my meta has changed did anyone notice" post was rather self centered. I don't even know who Quick is, might as well be a completely new player as far as I'm concerned. So no, I didn't notice a change.
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Ah, this is probably the key to ETL v Quick. Be interesting to see if/when/how it's resolved.In post 1036, Quick wrote:
Because no one wanted to vote for worthless spots...In post 1035, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Stop it. Stop saying “ISO me”. I’ve done that already. You didn’t explain anything. If you were suspicious of tchill why did you wait until other people voted him for you?
And worthless spots are bad in this game because there are not many NKs.
Here's what I'm seeing on this page. Quick wants to get rid of slots doing nothing, like 5G, Voted, Jake. Nobody else is really going there right now, so Quick moved back to Tchill who was an existing scumread. ETL is viewing this as opportunistic, and the reason it seems opportunistic to her is the brevity and timing of Quick's posting.
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The way I read it, scum get the same number of NK's. On all but 2 nights they are restricted to killing someone they had already infected. So if infections fail for some reason this could result in no-kills eventually. Helps a lot to very closely read the mechanics section.In post 1049, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Ok but “not many” implies “less than expected”, and it seems to me this game actually gets 2 MORE nightkills than expected. Just trying to understand.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Bottom of 45. Couple people finally started thinking about setup which is good.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Page 50. Making a note that Quick started vote hopping after being accused of being an opportunistic vote follower. Not claiming this as a causal relationship but it is an important observation.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I watched episodes of 4 different Star Trek series last night. Today there were 20+ pages to read. Answer: because I've been absent.In post 1299, farside22 wrote:daves unvoted and doesn't vote anyone he is suspicious of???? Why no pressure on any of the spots your suspect dave?
Self meta: If you bother to read any of my games you may findentire daysthat I don't vote anyone. Granted those are often days that are quick lynches, but in any case it's not hard to find at all.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh btw, bottom of 52 and I kinda agree with Alchemist votes. Another 9 pages to catch up before I decide what to do.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Interesting your list doesn't include the player you just voted.In post 1309, Quick wrote:These can go at this point:
Jake
5G
Hactoc
Creature
Ari
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If infected don't know each other or the mafia then that blows this whole idea out of the water.In post 1315, Auro wrote:@Vecna: Also, as scum the whole "be nice and rational" strategy doesn't really work here because being widely townread makes it harder to justify not being infected.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I can do without arrogance in the thread quite nicely.In post 1339, Saudade wrote:There's only one pro here and I dont see you having the mark of brilliance above your profile picture
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Making a note that the absence of numbers in parenthesis means the slot hasIn post 1428, Covid 19 wrote: Not Voting (8): Creature, 5G Tower, Jake the Wolfie, Aristophanesnot voted in the game at all, if the count is working correctly.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'll get back to you on that. IIRC I've been scum with him (and FL) pretty recently and should be able to tell what was different in that scumgame from a towngame. Haven't looked yet this game for scumtells. Now on my to do's, sometime after finishing this interminable catchup.In post 1440, Auro wrote:What content from A50 is decent?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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50JP is an alt where A50 "role-plays as a hydra of himself". Others in that family are Almost50, Austin Powers, Judge Joseph Dredd (going from memory those may not be exact names other than Almost50). I think A50 came first.In post 1466, Quick wrote:
Is this a hydra?In post 317, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
Could've fooled us.In post 67, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn, what did I sign up for? Idk how to play setups like this
-All 3 if us
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IMO that's scum Creature. Town Creature hyperposts but at the same time acts lost or disinterested.In post 1474, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 1468, farside22 wrote:I have a few player i think need prodding like wolfe, dave, voted, nl, fl, creature, and mastina
This screams active lurking. Creature, you're reading the thread but you're not posting unless someone directs something at you?In post 1470, Creature wrote:Wtf I don't need proddingWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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While I work on other things this is acceptable.
VOTE: Creature
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I would like to clearly state that I disapprove of 5G and Voted's approach to the game.
On top of that I explicitly scumread them for it. A vote there would not be policy.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Remembered between hitting submit and the page refreshing that Hoctac is probably on that same list.
They can't all be scum because it would be too many. And whomever said that eliminating the good scum first is better was right.
Pedit: I agree in principle with Alchemist as a wagon but would need to re-read to find out if I've missed something or if the memory is correct.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ETL is tentatively a TR. Her thoughts seem town motivated. It's only tentative because I vaguely remember her being very reactive as scum and I can't say I equally remember her being reactive as town.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Because I have a fairly decent track record of identifying the instances where "not appearing to scumhunt" ends up being scum, and they most certainly don't appear to be scumhunting.In post 1565, Auro wrote:
For the approach? Don't you think it was decided pregame, at least in 5G's case?In post 1560, davesaz wrote:On top of that I explicitly scumread them for itWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh, I might have missed something about that question.
Meme / gimmick alts might be decided pregame but inevitably they find the need to actually contribute when they're town.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Wagoning them is a great way to find out. Sometimes just scumreading them is enough.In post 1572, Auro wrote:It's interesting that you feel mid D1 is that point though. I feel like it's too early to expect most gimmick/meme alts to shed it and start playing.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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