Animals Upick [Game Over]

[HoldenGolden]

The reason I didn't vote JJH before is I don't really get scummy vibes from him, but a lot of my townreads are on him so I'm gonna trust their judgment. Chem being the counter wagon is confusing. Mostly because I can see both cases where Chem is lynchbait or the target bus.

Let's work with the Three C's then starting with me. You say that the JJ isn't a scum read, and you are mixed about the Chem wagon. Is there an Off-wagon you think should be spotlighted?

[HoldenGolden]

Chemist-
Something can only be "the worst of the bunch" in relation to other things.
How did you come to the conclusion that my vote was "the worst of the bunch" without looking at any of the other non-existent votes on your wagon? (Krazy seems to have counted Conspire voting for "misty" as a vote on you, but I'm not sure.)
In fact, I don't think you looked at the context of my vote on you either.
But the realisation that there weren't any other votes on you made you unvote, so this is supposed to be the dominant reason for your vote on me?
How does any of this make sense?

Not exactly a case (I'm assuming King Crimson erased a post like how he skips monologues)but I agree with bird and like this logic.

Do you buy the claim? If you do, how does your scum team change accordingly?

[HoldenGolden]

How does people feel about making Chemist claim flavor? The odd messenger makes the claim complicated because otherwise we could just ask chem to message a pool of people to try and confirm the role over the night. Since Bingle's flavor, for example, aligned up well with the role he got, I think forcing a flavor claim wouldn't be the worse thing here.

[HoldenGolden]

Just Owl?

Nothing more nothing less?

Not a special kind of owl. Not a pokemon owl. Just owl?

[HoldenGolden]

Just Owl?

Nothing more nothing less?

Not a special kind of owl. Not a pokemon owl. Just owl?

Literally just an owl

I got choice paralysis and went with something simple

I roleplayed as Krazy who after getting all these crazy picks saw this bland one. Naturally, he would consult the tablet of Google for guidance. Mainly because I would think the messenger part wouldn't make sense. But apparently:

The owl spirit animal is emblematic of a deep connection with wisdom and intuitive knowledge. If you have the owl as totem or power animal, y

ou’re likely to have the ability to see what’s usually hidden to most.

When the spirit of this animal guides you, you can see the true reality, beyond illusion and deceit. The owl also offers for those who have it a personal totem the inspiration and guidance necessary to deeply explore the unknown and the magic of life.

Symbolic meanings for the owl are:

Intuition, ability to see what others do not see

The presence of the owl announces change
Capacity to see beyond deceit and masks

Wisdom

The traditional meaning of the owl spirit animal is the announcer of death, most likely symbolic like a life transition, change

https://www.spiritanimal.info/owl-spirit-animal/

I can buy the flavor matching the role's abilities, so I doubt Chem is lying there.

[HoldenGolden]

I think this claim is town. I'll check with my birds and bros about what they feel about it

The pool I am looking at it is {JJH, Farside, Clober Ebi, April, Conspire}

VOTE: Conspire

- turducken

Why Conspire over JJH?

Which one of you thought you figured out who was the messenger again btw? I do not feel like reading your ISO to find out.

[HoldenGolden]

VLA status until Saturday morning EST unless otherwise stated; Expect PM @MOD

I'll try to be back here later tonight

[HoldenGolden]

2nd off, I don't really see the scum!Mastina read.

Rereading Day 1, despite her lack of presence in the thread, she backed herself into a really tight corner regarding Votato. While its not out of the question scum could of start bussing Votato day 1 sensing the pressure brought by slots like me, Mastina's stance highly limited any chance for Votato to survive both in her ability to support counter wagons and also fundamentally undermining the fake claim. Furthermore, when comparing the claim progression compared to other's who relied heavily on the claim to get a read off (for example, birds early to mid day 1 read) it doesn't explain the thought process in detail enough to provide wiggle room out of the read. Later posts such as citing Votato as the scum on PP doubt train also doubled down on this.

Since April has confirmed the presence of a RB (most likely scum), that also reassures me of town!mastina. According to April's plan and Gambit, Mastina was to be shot and cleaned by it. Considering this, I don't think scum would be willing to try and lose 2 members before EoD day 2 and would of rbed April out of safety. Now, this is assuming that scum doesn't have other ways to mitigate or heal KP, but it was a high risk situation given what we know so far about the suppose scum RB to not RB April

I townread Mastina, so where do you think I'm wrong in this read?

[HoldenGolden]

It was mainly to April. I'm not quite following the logic she proposed about bird being scum due to the mastina town read since it's a proxy read ("X is scum because of their read on Y and that doesnt make sense" vs "X is scum because of their read on Y which shows scum motivation Z, AZ, and BZ ways."

But in general if people disagree with my take and want to debate the points raised there too I'm down.

Waiting to see what Miss Lynch does

[HoldenGolden]

Holden were you a 1-shot vig?

- turducken

I am. I'll fully claim.

1 shot vig confused miller. Shot was on bingle as previously mentioned. Flavour of vig KP is

Shot

. I can claim flavour if needed.

Dont you have a list of confirm townies and are suppose to die due to role?

Be here more in a bit

[HoldenGolden]

Its 4 am. I'm not mentally here. My mind for some reason randomly thought back to this game after waking up with a bloody nose.

Maximum players leaving the game in a single night: I believe the theoretical maximum number of players who could leave the game in a single

day/night is 7 (including lynch). This honestly could be off, I didn't double check it.

This bugs me. Obviously Krazy probably didnt actually count it, but my half awake brain realize so far there is only a possibility of 5 kills in a total day phase.

First, the lover body guards must be shot or lynched. It also must be an odd day since votato vig shot was odd only. Adding my vig shot and mafia fraction KP, that's only 5.

Lover lynched: 1
Lover suicide: 2
Votato kp: 3
My kp: 4
Mafia fractional kp: 5

Alright so what does this mean. It means 5=/=7.

Either krazy cannot count shit or there is a missing KP option out there. If it was 6 or 8 kp, i would feel better. But 5 is getting low. Unless I am missing something with BS's flavour vig shot interacting with another role to create the ability to deliver KP.

[HoldenGolden]

Somebody either check my logic and either whack me with a stick or smothing idk. Hangover not nice. Lack of sleep not nice.

I think there was wuestions. Let me see

[HoldenGolden]

I would like people's reads on farside/mastina/miss lynch (conspire).

- turducken

Yeah but not right now. Ik on crackhead mood on the teller so just wait ok? Ok. Lynch me if I don

I made everyone ninja last night you can relax. Was just waiting for your claim just to make sure April.

Didnt I ask you something like if you had more anti town options last day. Why didnt you respond to it.

The last thingy. Is it anti town too

[HoldenGolden]

“Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill, some killing roles may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

This actually might confirm Holden as scum because there’s been no occurrence of this?

@Holden - can you change your flavor?

No, just shot things.

I'm a donkey sheriff flavour wise (my pfp) if that helps

[HoldenGolden]

“Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill, some killing roles may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

This actually might confirm Holden as scum because there’s been no occurrence of this?

@Holden - can you change your flavor?

Uh, remember when you tracked votato to someone who got drowned?

I’m aware. But why is Holden “shot”

Donkey sheriff is like those old westerns with like cilt Eastwood and they go pow!

Idfk let's bitch at Krazy post game about it ok?

[HoldenGolden]

I can't physically read mastina posts rn and thank god for autkckeect

[HoldenGolden]

I think I know what it is, but you guys aren’t going to like hearing it.

I think Clover has an ability that makes doctors turn into vigilantes.

Moon logic?

Maybe.

Because if Mastina is town, and there’s Auro....

That equals 7 perfectly.

Clover, Birds, Miss Lynch

Also, Blatant Scum had a Commuter Cop ability, and no commuters have been shown.

How would that work with bodyguard

[HoldenGolden]

Do it, I'll use the nightly fractional kill on you than since its allowed to be used on scum.

Mafia fractional kp:

Never seen anyone else consistently misspeak factional as "fractional" except for Clover Ebi. Does this mean you've been influenced by them in a scum pt?

No seriously, this is kind of sketching me out. I don't think this is a common error to make.

Idk probably my dysgrpahia. I mean to say something and then say a wrong form of it but in my head it makes sense.

I didn't notice it till now. Prob also autocorrect on phone

Like I will mean to say through but end up saying though even though I think j did say through.

Idk, my head hurts and you are making me pender the existence of my typing as gnomes or some shit.

[HoldenGolden]

The strong arm thingy is real given only 2 kps claimed on bingle who needed 3 perpeews to kill all the raccoons

[HoldenGolden]

Ugh, did Holden do that analysis to try to make sense of Birds.

I think this game ends if we mislynch today. I just have a feeling.

I dont even recall saying that so probably not

This game was hard to play for some reason even after being right day 1 with votato.

[HoldenGolden]

Wait,

Future me go read past mes Calvin test post about farside failing it too since present me is shit fucked right now.

[HoldenGolden]

Wait ok are we agreeing with the missing KP thing I raised.

I'm still working through the WIFOM of Krazy horse not being able to count rn.

Theres a missing roleblocker
And most likely a missing KP since Krazy probbbbbbly cant count but not too much not counting.
At worse there is 2 missing KP.

The real question is if there is missing KP why is it missing by day 3

I'm going down the rabbit hole right now

[HoldenGolden]

Alive peeps

Me donkey sherif 1 shot vigeronoo confused miller
April- Kudmedo Dragon track/follow/Voyager
Dunn: neighborizer iirc flavour
Mislynch didnt claim
Chem is a owl and odd cop even messenger
Mistatina I think claimed phoniex doctor? I think I read that right.
Clover is anti town JOAT with non anti town last abilities supposedly. Cannot remember his flavor.
Birds is a communist thingy that randomly confirms a townie if he dies and they dont die.
Farside hasn't claimed

Dead boys or girls
Bingle was 2 vest
Lover Bodyguards x2
Reflective friendly neigh
1 shot dinsear locked alien
I cant remember Calvin's role
Bs flavour vig commenter cop lurker lover
Somebody else died

1-3 jan vig (scum)

==÷÷÷==========

Just trying to get a idea of what's going on

[HoldenGolden]

Ok I need sleep. My head is about to explode. Jts 5 am.

God dam

Oh sbit April said something last phase about mastina avjhhhhhhahsuw

Ok

Read that reread clavin test post updated reads figure out if roles so far can have any merit (aka let's google on the wiki) and like do something productive after hearing and capturing the 3 goats tomorrow afternoon.

[HoldenGolden]

Do you guys think Birds role + Chemists role is too much investigative power in the setup together, or no?

I mean birs has to have people supposedly live till day 4 and has to die to get 1 confirm townie.

Chemist is strong role I think. I dont think the two are impossible, but I confess I'm not sure how to rank birds slot

[HoldenGolden]

Do you guys think Birds role + Chemists role is too much investigative power in the setup together, or no?

Idk. There’s a lot of millers. There was also Penguin’s role

That too.

Is this much protection and people with vest normal for theme games like this? Claivin I think was a protection role, and that's only excess thing jobbing out to me

[HoldenGolden]

I've been thinking about Holden. His is the only role that has not been confirmed. It also seems weird that his vigilante kill would be "shot" as opposed to anything animal related. I would like Holden or Farside to full claim next.

Rereading game soon. Already full claimed. 1 shot vig confused miller. Flavour is donkey sheriff aka my pfp.

I believe that confused/miller is based on animal flavour involving human characteristics. Clavin was a stuffed animal. I'm a sheriff, birds is communist manifesto (I believe they claimed miller), bingle was raccoons stacked to look like humans etc.

I think everyone who claimed miller checked out from memory, but that should be a standard held to millers/confused

[HoldenGolden]

BS had a kitsune form which if I recall is like a fox girl hybrid thing. Not too familiar with furry porn to know.

April is a oddity in that regard, but also losses the miller claim as well. Not sure how to consider that when using the human aspect theory. Prehaps I shall look into it post reread

[HoldenGolden]

Apologizes, had a wicked mirgane yesterday.

Working up fleshing out the post in the bit, but looked back at Votato interactions day 1 and feel less go about conspire/farside. Looking at birds right now to see if the timing of the scum to town flip occured in their ISO on votato happened at a opportune time (ex. April pushing town votato hard for the gambit)

[HoldenGolden]

There are 4 on the birds hydra jam pretty sure.
Wait is mastina at L1?

[HoldenGolden]

Mislynch is confirmed town
I feel strongly about [Apirl] being town given their interaction with the Mastina.

Leaves [Farside, Clover, Dunn] since chem is confirm scum which invalides the cop check.

Considering one scum was hard bussing Votato day 1, I'm not sure how much stock to put into the point i was going to raise about Farside switching to a townlean on votato due to meta back down to a scum lean.

[HoldenGolden]

If mystery RB is solved in Misslynch, then Farside is still on the table. Otherwise, Farside is town being rbed by scum rber.

Clover, did you use your last ability?

[HoldenGolden]

Ew. So his entire role is negative town untity if he is town?

At least that makes life simpler.

Misslynch should claim rather or not they have a rb ability (doesnt have to be a full claim). If not, then this game is reaching a closed conclusion.

[HoldenGolden]

Don't vote Chemist yet. I wanna talk prior to this day ending. Nothing in particular, I just wanna talk.

We always lynch Chemist here.

Second

[HoldenGolden]

We have a bus driver too this night if farside is legit.

If she is rb, then claiming that power and saying who she is rbing this night phase will basically be a invest check assuming mafia doesnt have ninja (which I doubt they do given clovers role claim(

[HoldenGolden]

Is there a way we can use the bus driver role to our advantage in that case as well?

[HoldenGolden]

The strongarm has to be true too due to the bing kill as well since a KP is still missing. The only explaintion would be a n1 rb theoretically

We still have a mislynch. It will be 4 v 1 tomorrow assuming a successful NK by mafia.

[HoldenGolden]

we are an activatable double voter so chem is functionally at l-1 right now

claim time chemmy boy

- turducken

Odd cop/Even messenger

Got an inno on Dunn n1 then sent it to Conspire n2

Chems actual role matters too.

We know they are a messager given that conspire confirmed it. I dont buy the cop part, and that maybe actually hiding the missing rb.

[HoldenGolden]

April tell me why I should write off farside regardless of Misslynches info.

Me clover and Dunn talking wont get us anywhere, so I want to knkw why farside is an autocross off your list to see if I can similarly do the same.

[HoldenGolden]

"If I'm scum" means nothing. I can say if I'm scum, then votato would of never fail my reaction test which caused the wagon on him to become more than RVS when I could of pushed town!farside.

I'll do a "story book" reread tomorrow when it's not 1237am

Pedit: sure but I highly doubt April basically busses Votato to go right after Mastina day 2. It's possible sure, but I doubt it.

[HoldenGolden]

And I'm doing it for all three of you not just them two.

[HoldenGolden]

What is story tell reads?

I took it as rereading the game and coming to a read based on it

[HoldenGolden]

Votato and April, remember to target Mastina. You both agreed to this earlier in the game. I do not want to hear anything that you both didn't target the same person.

Assuming that they did indeed to that.

We should have a confirmation on votato/April's roles. Moreover, unless there is another janitor/vig combo that shot Bingle, I'm going to assume that is the mafia NK which means mafia has ways of using janitor powers.

I'm basing this off the drowned flavor text most likely being too focused to be something like a mafia night kill. Makes more sense for an aquatic animal actions.

Also, if anybody can confirmed PPs role, that would be nice.

Pedit: yeah I highly doubt vig targeted bingle

“Flips:

Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill,

some killing roles

may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

Also, this is in the Krazy ruleset, so anyone hanging onto that as a reasoning is scum or surface level.

Votato's role is a killing role that does not have this power, though

Why does he have to be the one to have changed it?

I saw what I saw. And there’s fucking proof with the Bingle shot.

Mafia has ONE fucking shot based on that message, right? 1 janitor shot?

Bingle was janitored.

If nobody claims to have janitored Bingle, then it is confirmed Votato did so to him.

That was ALSO not his fucking kill flavor. This proves something is happening with it

Ah fuck it, ill just state it since my baiting to draw anybody out to claim the missing KP didn't work (not that I thought it would)


I am the missing KP on the Bingle Kill Train. My Flavor for my KP is "Shot". That's why I knew day 2 that Bingle had to be targeted by a janitor/KP combo since like I stated it wouldn't make sense for a random Janitor to come along and just so happen to select the same person I targeted.

Okay so I checked Holden's Iso and not once do I see that he thought Bingle was scummy but claims to have shot at him.

I'm going to go with Holden/Chemist as my final answer to scum

VOTE: Chemist

Again just in case, keep an eye on what Chemist role does flip. I half wonder if ML is scum (godfather possiblity). If there is nothing about Chemist able to send a message to a player, lynch ML.

Although Farside is dead, I felt it would be nice to answer this.

Bingle died due to losing at Simon flash.

On the off chance that Votato and April was telling the truth and I was wrong about assuming a rb (which pat pat, i got it right) I assume it wasnt a good idea to mess with their plan, so I just made a list upon rereading day 1 which was bingle/clavin/conspire.

Bingle was blue
Clavin was yellow
Conspire was red
And no shot was green

I played until I got a color wrong and whatever that color was, i shot there.

And that's why bingle got killed. He fucking made me lose simon flash.

[HoldenGolden]

Me dunn and Clover are in the neighborhood scum PT. I do not think that Dunn is scum based on reading it.

I have to double check, but birds made the Parity cop claim there before coming clean in thread, which would mean that scum!Dunn could of silence them prior to them reveling the results of said claim. Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Like I said, I need to check it again, but if it checks out, then I doubt dunn is scum.

Clovers full flavor is black backed kingfisher btw. Mine, as a reminder, is Donkey sheriff (my pfp)

[HoldenGolden]

Diet / Feeding
Like other kingfisher species, the Oriental Dwarf Kingfisher hunts from a perch. However, instead of fish (the typical diet of the kingfisher), it mainly feeds on insects, as well as small lizards or frogs, if the opportunity arises. Before eating lizards or frogs, it kills them by holding them in the beak and continually hitting them against a stone or tree stump.

Kingfishers are highly territorial birds. They will locate a prime area based on food sources, desirable perching trees and safe roosting sites. Like most birds, they will search for their food in the mornings and evenings. If the weather is cooler, they will also hunt for food during mid-day.

Cleanliness is important to Kingfishers; they will dive into the water to bathe, then fly to a perch to preen and dry their feathers in the sunlight. Some will even clean their heads using their wings. They will utilize a branch to clean their impressive bills, keeping them in excellent condition by scraping them back and forth.

(The black backed kingfisher is also known as the oriental dwarf kingfisher)

Assuming the flavour claim to be correct, clover would be clear from drowning.

The neighbor pt soft confirms that dunn is an elephant.

So either someone is lying about flavor (clover/April), or miss lynch is an animal capable of drowning

[HoldenGolden]

Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Wouldn't this have outed someone in the neighborhood as scum? What day did Birds claim that?

Let me check

[HoldenGolden]

mastina = chemist

mastina =/= miss lynch

april = scum

makes sense for the weird miller claim after everything.

Scratch it. It was made around when this was posted.

[HoldenGolden]

Wait no,

In one of birds early posts in the PT he says that mastina and chemist alignments are equal, which I feel would be pretty clear to anyone in the thread that bird could be invest. This came out I believe on the day phase prior to the quoted post above.

[HoldenGolden]

Yeah, i think scum is confirmed in your hood, which just means we don’t have to worry about Miss godfather being an issue. Farside stated Birds was one of the two people she bus drove, which means Birds was roleblocked, then it got directed back at Dunnstral, which is why Chemist didn’t get put in your neighborhood.

This means Possible ScumDunn roleblocked himself, hilarious.

The thing is that the neighborhood PT by design confirms his flavor as a elephant. So either he has to have a way to change it, or he cant be scum.

(Side note, that would be a cool role idea. Neighborizer that gains killing flavor based on who they neighborize. Call it the curator or something)

Would a neighborhood paraphrase recap post be helpful? I doubt us three gains much from discussing in there now since we all are the primary suspects.

[HoldenGolden]

you guys wanna lynch me today, and fight amongst yourselves in 3p lylo. I'm going to pick wrong in final 3. I feel like all of you guys make sense having tried to pocket me this game.

Why would that be better than taking the chance in lylo?

We lynch one of me/dunn/clover today
Miss lynch or you dies.
If miss lynch dies, we have a pretty confirmed town role entering lylo.
If you die, same thing
If neither of you die, one of the suspects in our prime pool is killed and narrows down into either one of yall being scum or a WIFOM play.

Considering miss lynch's own admittance to thinking she would be auto lynched, I would say either way neither of the more likely to be townies are any better to go into miss lynch and I think it's best to remove one of us (me dunn clover) today

[HoldenGolden]

Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Wouldn't this have outed someone in the neighborhood as scum? What day did Birds claim that?

It wasn't possible for me to do that; what happened was birds claimed it the same day they claimed the day 4 suicidal thing in thread, but they claimed it to me ahead of time

According to the post by birds made early in is iso in the PT, he said chemist = mastina which lined up to the start of day 3. I can quote that post dunn in our PT if you need to see what I'm referring too.

...which is why I believe you are town since it was a odd night and farside couldnt bus + why not just kill bird prior to the day phase where he telegraphed habeas going to reveal to town a confirm townie?

[HoldenGolden]

you guys wanna lynch me today, and fight amongst yourselves in 3p lylo. I'm going to pick wrong in final 3. I feel like all of you guys make sense having tried to pocket me this game.

Why would that be better than taking the chance in lylo?

We lynch one of me/dunn/clover today
Miss lynch or you dies.
If miss lynch dies, we have a pretty confirmed town role entering lylo.
If you die, same thing
If neither of you die, one of the suspects in our prime pool is killed and narrows down into either one of yall being scum or a WIFOM play.

Considering miss lynch's own admittance to thinking she would be auto lynched, I would say either way neither of the more likely to be townies are any better to go into miss lynch and I think it's best to remove one of us (me dunn clover) today

I'm being sardonic.

Bless you

[HoldenGolden]

Quick question, Godfather with some form of RB would be quite silly role wise correct? I am not knowledgeable enough to know outright.

We have the issue of missing flavor KP. I have a decently high amount of faith based on the PT post that dunn is telling the truth based off the indications that he is indeed an elephant from the PT. Miss Lynch has expressed not wanting to confirm what role or animal they are if memoery serves me right (though they did claim not to be a RB). Neither Conspire/Misslynch or Clover claimed Confused like I did, meaning if they are unnatural they will be not added to the PT. We know that Clover is at least a natural animal.

Unless I misunderstood it (Ill admit the last few day phases i've kinda just got tired of playing this game lowkey and mindlessly ignored half the game), Dunn won't get a different report back if he is RB vs. his action fails correct? If not, and he does, we could at least try to see if

Nevermind. I was going to say we could see if Miss lynch is an natural animal to at least start getting an idea of if an action such as drowning makes sense, but I realize that it doesn't yeild any info and scum!dunn could just shoot into whoever was not lynched left in the hood to make it so where he can lie about rather or not Miss lynch was actually added.

[HoldenGolden]

Clover, I'm a donkey

sheriff

(my pfp) which has the confused modfier, meaning flavour wise, it can appear that I'm doing unnatural things for an animal. What do western sheriffs do? They shoot the bad guys with a gun. Ive explained why it makes sense.

Beyond that reread Votatos rolecard. His vig ability's flavor wasnt posted and we know he didnt used the mafia fractional KP either given the other nk day 1. Meaning, most likely, that both mafia and my town vig shot is both flavored as "shot".
====================
I dont think I'm getting anywhere worh flavour analysis, so I'm going to just go back and start rereading the game.

[HoldenGolden]

I think it’s easier to try and find 1 town over scum and I think that’s April here. Holden I did forget you having the sheriff modifier, where are you at right now?

I'm currently sick right now so inbetween a trash can and the toliet.

It's not a modifier btw. It's my flavour similar to how you are the kingfisher and not just a bird.

[HoldenGolden]

Haste still pays haste, and leisure answers leisure,
Like doth quit like, and measure still for measure.
What's mine is yours and what is yours is mine.

Rereading now...again. for the x number of times. Let me see if there is reason to doubt my dunn is town logic

@mod could I get another bullet please yes thank you.

[HoldenGolden]

I've got a post baking in the oven, but I dont agree with Dunn is scum.

It would also mean he would have to be multitasking Roleblocker + neighborizer which is buffed with a flavor fractional kill switch since the neighbor PT soft confirms the elephant claim.

I'm not sure as this is my first role madness game, but I would imagine that's too many moving parts which the ability to visit 3 players potentially

[HoldenGolden]

Oops: would have to be multitasking rb plus neighorbizer since the multitasking inherent to scum is only with their fractional kill*

[HoldenGolden]

Rafiki was making his way through his rounds in the morning, wondering what gruesome horror he would discover next.

"It's a dangerous life, in the animal kingdom,"

he mused.

"Hard time, being an animal, for sure."

He was most nervous walking along the beach, since that's the place he'd seen the body from last night. And low and behold... there was... something? there.

"Is that... is that one of the bad guys?"

he asked himself. He walked closer and poked and prodded, trying to figure it out.

"Seems more fox than human... man, what an ironic way to go... a

fire fox

being

drowned

. Wait, is that irony, or is that... thematic appropriteness?"

He considered this as the day went on, reporting his findings to the town.

Blatant Scum was drowned... he was a...

Spoiler:

Town Transforming Jack of All Trades

Welcome to Krazy's Animal upick!



You are a Fire Fox, a

town transforming jack of all trades

.

Flavor Mech:

Fox Form --

You can be targeted by effects that would target mystical animals.

Kitsune Form --

You can be targeted by effects that would target any unnatural animal.

Mech:
Passive: Transforming -- When you are out of Jack of All Trade Shots, you will change from Fox Form, which you begin as, into Kitsune Form. In Kitsune Form, you will be a Human Miller; alignment-based role actions will not show you as aligned with the town, and full alignment cops will show you as aligned with the human faction.

Active: Jack of all Trades -- You can use the following abilities once each:
Flavor Vigilante: You will remove the flavor restrictions from a player, making them targetable by any flavor-gated ability (natural, unnatural, mystical, etc.)
Commuter Cop: You will learn whether a player has the ability to commute at night or not (Note, will give no result if the player is currently commuting)
Lurker Lover: You can target a player at night and give them the "Loved" modifier for the following day, increasing the necessary threshold to lynch by one. This will

only work if the player you target has the lowest post-count in the game among all living players,

otherwise the action will fail and the shot not refunded. You can ask the mod who has the lowest post count in the game; it includes replacement predecessors.

Win:

You win when the mafia has died.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Confirm:

Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

Also we never got a positive confirmation that a comunting esk role was actually in the game to be copped by BS did we?

[HoldenGolden]

...*sigh*

*deletes Miss lynch is scum post*

Ok so it's either the universal Anti town JOAT who would be also multitasking with a rb ability, or a "JOAT" that has fabricated a gambit play on a scum buddy, helped get another scum buddy lynched (Mastinia), and cleared a townie (farside).

Hahahahhahahahhah

*cries*

[HoldenGolden]

So some real questions are:
-Does the gambit play day 1 looks forced/not make sense with later logic presented day 3
-is there posturing during the mastina is scum campaign
-was the paranoid nature of april last day phase done to explain why she is alive now?

If no, then clover is scum
If yes, then April is scum

Pedit: yes yes you both have many town accolades. Clover, I'm looking at two ridiculously townie people on paper and having to find scum. I can play devils advocate and say that april has played "anti scum" (though really there isnt such a thing since it can be argued that bad scum play helps scum agenda) and therefore I should lynch you.

[HoldenGolden]

Both of you can chime into this if you want. Let us ignore my claim for just a moment even though that should speak for itself. April and Birds had basically cc'd each other one of them being a cop the other a universal townread. If we assume I'm scum here, instead of getting a free lynch on one of the two best slots of the game I saved both of them ending in my partners lynch. I do not have the confidence as scum to do that, also that would've basically screwed my team. Also, does my iso look scummy to either of you?

What I'm saying is that both of you and April have strong reasons to be town from my POV, claim or not. Kinda annoyed that miss lynch died.

I plan on reading the ISOs after I get some stuff taken care of

Pedit: how was the chemist first post out of place considering chem didnt post much that say phase until after that post besides doubting April's claim?

[HoldenGolden]

Be fully here in 30 or so mins.

Half tempted to use my 100%* Towntell

[HoldenGolden]

Well Towntest I guess would be the better term.

Anyways, gotta edit something real quickie brb

[HoldenGolden]

So either April is an odd night invest even note roleblocker who scum decided to be the deep wolf this entire game.

Or

Holden decided to gambit and claim to be a vig unaware that town could've had a vig and shot him dead along with having some of the best interactions with flipped Votato.

SIGH

Now you understand (unless you are scum faking annoyance)

Time to read

[HoldenGolden]

Told you guys yesterday I was going to be mislynched in 3p. I feel it happening.

I have no clue which of you two are scum, and I’ve read this entire game about three times over.

I mean you are forever scum. But I was using the webster dictionary defination of scum rather than the game's scum = mafia def till this day phase.

Reading your ISO right now. Feel free to be frighten!

[HoldenGolden]

Pretty sure I know who I'm voting at the moment. I just need to...do it.

I would like time please.

I just found motivation to play. Please.

PLEASE

[HoldenGolden]

Holden at the moment I want you to know I was ready to vote you

Ok?

pedit:

[HoldenGolden]

I've never been in lylo before as town. You can tell how much fun I'm having

*pops back in*

pretty sure ive been in lylo/mylo around 4~ as town and ive had less than 10 finshed town games.

*goes back to the ISO*

[HoldenGolden]

Holden, what are you doing in the ISO’s?

*Note, this is more just going through an ISO and pointing out everything I see rather than building one long "case". I will be trying to focus on content mainly, since Claim wise im A) not fucking experience enough to determine which one of you are lying to my face and B) I feel both claims by you two are being used as excuses for townie points because they both make sense to a degree. Sorry, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

^Taken from the top of the post I am working on

I am just diving through your ISO right now and quoting everything I feel I can debate is AI (one way or another) and put it into one post. Then come to a verdict at the end. I just type slow.

I plan to do clover's afterwards, which will be harder after doing yours because of bias but blah.

[HoldenGolden]

Can I at least finish my ISO post on you so that I can feel sorta smart before losing the game?

This is retorical. You will give me time because I am a sith lord, and the rule of two demands that the master doesn't kill the appretice unless provoked. Unless you want to admit I am the master in our sith relationship.

Either way ego win in the vain of losing if I am to be voted

pedit: See clover gets it.

[HoldenGolden]

Holden hasn’t really done anything to case himself, and I understand where Clover’s coming from, and Clover is showing paranoia, which I relate with.

I also feel like Holden is setting up a push on me, where you’ve been trying to persuade me you’re not scum

Its more I don't really find casing myself vital in lylo as when I lack a clear scumread

If this was modconfirmed townie + "townie" then yea, I would be town!casing myself.

[HoldenGolden]

I can't tell if Holden's clear calmness when he has no scumread at the moment is just the fact he's played a lot of lylos or scum that has no reason to have paranoia. But that just seems so obvious and easy to fake

Funny enough scum one time was asking me how to have the power's of being chill as I correctly cased them and was being pushed by them in lylo.

*if anybody doubts I am actually working on the ISO post I can prematurely hit submit to prove I am not taking the piss with it. I just enjoy socialization as I work through games.

[HoldenGolden]

God this ISO is so good

[HoldenGolden]

Probably not for too much longer, though.

Im currently at post 205 in your ISO if that helps.

[HoldenGolden]

Is it bad I'm more excited to see what kind of animals everyone picked? I can't have anyone VOTE: Conspire against me. Get it?

hi Clover!

~fire

Hi fire! It's good to see you again. Did you like my pun? I thought it was pretty great.

it was puntific

Only scum show their work.

I just make grand entrances and dramatize the moment when necessary!

only scum deal in absolutes

~fire

You’re mistaken this with Siths, and I am for sure a Sith, but I am not scum.

Oh, it wasn’t Holden who brought it up earlier, it was Birds.

I stand by this sentiment.

I am a Sith, that is for sure, but I am NOT scum!

I then claim my flavor was Darth Jar Jar

Well Then, shall I post what I got then if you are certain its a scum case? It would be impossible to rewrite enough of it to change the direction its going in.

Also no, its not a pbp analysis. I am just slow.

[HoldenGolden]

Aprils ISO

*Note, this is more just going through an ISO and pointing out everything I see rather than building one long "case". I will be trying to focus on content mainly, since Claim wise im A) not fucking experience enough to determine which one of you are lying to my face and B) I feel both claims by you two are being used as excuses for town reads. Sorry, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

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Spoiler: Votato is scum because lack of RVS wagon switch

Wow this game drastically slowed down once the Votato wagon picked up. That’s probably scum indicative.

Who was on Holden, but not Votato?

All in a day's work for town's one shot confused even doctor

Working from your theory, does anybody's lack of transition stick out to you?

April

I got kind of burnt, so I didn’t really pay much attention to who was on each wagon and who wasn’t, but I’ll note this and look it up in a bit, and do some work on it. Might be better to wait until after this Votato wagon goes through or not anyways.

I took a shower after I did the fake double vote thing, so I missed some stuff, and have just been posting.

I’m gonna take a break, but I’ll answer this later, Yee?

@DEB, at least put your random vote on one of the main wagoons.
Votato, Birds and boys, me and Dunn.

Ah, man. I HATE that you added yourself here exactly where you did, especially because you didn’t even put a comma after me. It looks as if you were actively trying to avoid adding yourself, but knew you had to, so you did it in the most hidden way possible yet still having it on record that you specifically stated this as an option.

It makes me want to burn you, and if you flip town go, oops, and if scum, say I knew it all along suckers!!!

If the Cosmic Penguins move to Blatant scum they’re L-3.

Is BS a town counter wagon or a scum wagon. Is it possible they’re both scum, is it possible they’re both town.

These are what I’m going to do some work on, ugh, work, work is gross.

@Cosmic Penguins: I kinda get townvibes from Bla. The way he was taking things very seriously/at face value and informed everyone that we shouldn't state type of animal while everyone was RVSing around him was maybe townie.

Alrighty, then. Can't break anything with pressuring people.
VOTE: Blatant Scum

That said, why self-vote here, Bla? What's to be gained?

~Cosmic

I was kind of feeling the same thing, but there’s been a few things, such as the self vote, that I can see him doing as scum specifically to look townie, which will split the general consensus *salutes General Consensus* when regarding his slot.

I’m kind of indifferent. I don’t have anyone better to vote at the moment, so I’m kind of in a holding pattern until someone else jumps out at me.

First real AI thing that jumped out to me given the context we have right now. April states that the hesitaition present in people's switch over to the votato RVS wagon could indicate that Votato was scum. We know this to be correct, which means scum!april would of had a chance to push a decent amount of flipped townies due to her knowledge this claim was correct. Instead, this point gets dropped hard and takes me reminding April for her to come back to (where she admits she hasn't felt the energy to do so). Given this was a great chance to promote a chainsaw defense for scum!april, which wasn't taken up by her, I feel the lack of investigating into the wagon is actually

townie

considering votato's alignment.

That said, the

posturing around the BS counter wagon

does bother me from the switch over from the votato wagon points. Despite the laziness and missed chance at chainsawing off of votato seeming townie, April puts effort into these posts to basically fencesit on votato's "counterwagon" (Since BS wasn't exactly = to votato at this point and was merely the next wagon up). Given how much she voices this in these posts, I feel it crosses the threshold of a townie debating if someone could be scum out loud to the thread and feels more like scum seeding an ability to switch to the wagon if needed. Scum points

There was also points raised about Farside over the claim votato made, but I find it

NAI.

It is more align to what I think is in the threshold for townie to be openly debated in thread verus the BS miniprogression.

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Spoiler: Gambit Play

Votato also assumed that scum would be the one to have a janitor, which might have higher town equity. I feel it’s fair to assume town or even third party might have a janitor of some sort.

Read my posts, I’ve already said.



The role seems far to crazy to be made up to me, is the only thing.

Does anyone have experience with the mashed potato?

I feel like he’s effectively a Cop that gets their result from targeting a Janitored target

You chances of that happening days 1-3 are?????
And why only 3 days with a limited ability?

I didn’t make the setup.

I have a Janitor ability, and I’m town.

A little.

@Hash Brown - Target Holden tonight.

Fine we won’t coordinate.

@French fry - do what you want, I guess.

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

Birds and Blatant are the main wagons right now, and they’re both defending votato. I think that’s indicative of them all being town wagons.

This is in conjunction with me just generally feeling like they’re both town.

Votato could be scum still, though

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

And how exactly would you like to confirm votato's role? He now claimed that the target has to be attacked too in order for him to do any action.

You got to think about an RB, or something else out there that could mess with it.
I don't see why April thinks votato has to be town just based on the claim. It could be fake.

@April: Besides the claim from votato could you explain your town read on him?

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

No we realistically cannot given his addtional information about his role.

Town votato would be a prime target to get roleblocked. Scum votato can just claim to be rbed. Thus votato claiming to be roleblocked day 2 would be NAI.

If we do somehow coordinate a town KP, you, and votato (who all have to be town for it to work) all on the same person without scum interference, then we all should laugh before beating the scum team for being incompetent.

Tldr: the only way town!votato can be confirmed given what we know is if the scum team makes a mistake (or they dont have a roleblocker/way to stop it). As such the plan to confirm him is far too risky since scum!votato can lie about the rb and then the town KP needed to set it all off kills the target. It can be minimized I guess by choosing a scummy person to kill theoretically, but then that's also going down the rabbit hole of further role speculation.

How do you know scum have a roleblocker?

This is also something that gets figured out this way, i don’t get the hold up.

Votato isn’t even like the #1 choice, he looks like low hanging fruit in the first place. Impatience in people is scummy.

I’m fine with being roleblocked too, that just gives us info on the game.

I also don’t have Votato as high town, i said they could still be scum, i think it’s fine to wait a day, though in the chance that we legit do confirm him.

I think the first thing that needs to be unpacked here is what would be the goal of scum!April putting together this plan with votato (with or without his aid). The obvious answer is to "confirm" her scumbuddy as town, but I think realstically that goal would of been way too hard to pull off given the heat on votato at the time.

Moreover, I think by reading April's post, the supposed goal would be to instead delay the votato lynch and score the scum team an mislynch day 1.

I think this is the correct supposed scum plan especially once considering that votato was also scum's vig as well. Plus, votato didn't hardtown read April for the plan proposed, which feels like a silly thing if you are trying to convice the thread you proved eachother as town. Then there is also the point they ended up targetting Mastina supposely and (blah blah blah, it was never going to be to clear Votato as town).

And In many ways, I think it could be agured that April's plan was to do just that. However, there is a key post inculded in the spoiler that has April townreading not only Birds, but also BS. Both of whom were the leading wagons over votato.

Combine this with the eariler fencesitting on BS which would allow scum her to enact this plan, April choosed to play against this.

This fact makes the gambit seem towny than rather a ploy to get town cred and secure a day 1 mislynch.

There is a flip on the BS read, namely over a supposed scum slip, but I feel the motivation scum should have had with enacting the plan prevents April from voicing town leans on BS and bird to begin with. So the fact that post RB is out there posts, I don't think the switch back to BS invalidates my point here.

Furthermore, she also actually pushes Mistania during this as well, meaning that the gambit was very hard against her fellow teammates:

Which means Mistanna is probably scum on Votato (she was already on before voting), then there’s probably 1 on Birds, 1 on BS, and 1 off.

I don’t expect that to be completely correct, but it’s a visual for thought. Obviously, 1 can switch and there can be like 2 on one of the wagons, but I don’t there 3 scum are likely to be on the same wagon here, if that makes sense.

There was also a small window between the switch over from general confusion over the claim to the first fondations of the gambit which suggest it was more of a natural thought process.

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Spoiler:

Why? Why fight a lynch on a player to prove there role just to track them? Please tell me something that doesn't make me rant post game.

This seems like angry scum

I called him scum all day 1. Are you really this bad?
You complained out not lynching him and wanting to prove him and called me scum for wanting to lynch him.
Like i have no good words to even start on how shitty i think you whole play is.
I was going to wait for post game for some of this but i cant for the life of me think there is anything remotely good about you so called reads.
I wouldn't be surprised your bussing your scum budy for town credit at this point. At least then i would find your behavior redeeming in same way.
I hope you are scum, but if you aren't I will make post game very uncomfortable for you.

VOTE: votato

But at the end of the day, the record books will say April guiltied Votato.

If it helps, after the angry retort at you, I think you’re town now.

Context: this was post Aprils full claim of Votato's night actions.

Scum!April could of just kept the notion farside was mad scum. Instead, there is a flip here on farside to townreading her. While not out of range for scum to do (who could of realized that townreading her could be useful), I think the quick

flip here is town indicative.

This was also doubled down later in Day 3 where April backs this flip up with Farside getting rbed.
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Spoiler:

Dunnstral, why I understand that push, and I’ll even help you analyze it more in a bit, I need some help.

Please see why it is confirmed that the kill flavor’s were already changed based on Jingle’s death flavor.

I have conf info.

I essentially have another version of Blatant Scum’s role.



Also, guess who Bingle was scum reading and he happened to be the one that got janitored.

Mastina is scum.

“Flips:

Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill,

some killing roles

may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

Also, this is in the Krazy ruleset, so anyone hanging onto that as a reasoning is scum or surface level.

Votato's role is a killing role that does not have this power, though

Why does he have to be the one to have changed it?

I saw what I saw. And there’s fucking proof with the Bingle shot.

Mafia has ONE fucking shot based on that message, right? 1 janitor shot?

Bingle was janitored.

If nobody claims to have janitored Bingle, then it is confirmed Votato did so to him.

That was ALSO not his fucking kill flavor. This proves something is happening with it

Hello, Enter.

Read Votato's role again. The kill flavor only applies to the factional kill.

Also, lel, why did you say me, chemist, and mastina as scum?

- turducken

I actually think it’s Mastin for sure. You guys were the ones pushing me, and this is where scum will be pushing me.

I actually think Birds is townier for asking, I’m just erratic right now.

Bingle was janitored because of Mastina.

Dunnstral, why I understand that push, and I’ll even help you analyze it more in a bit, I need some help.

Please see why it is confirmed that the kill flavor’s were already changed based on Jingle’s death flavor.

I have conf info.

I essentially have another version of Blatant Scum’s role.



Also, guess who Bingle was scum reading and he happened to be the one that got janitored.

Mastina is scum.

Somebody else would have had to have made the shot strongman, somebody else could have changed the flavor of the kill, too.

I'm not seeing why Mastina is scum

Okay, this is solid enough for me.

It’s literally a senseless move for me to have pushed Votato like that right there. I could have just as easily given a clear, so this whole thing is Mastina’s doing, and you can tell by the way she’s been playing.

I’ll go back and find Bingle’s posts before he died.
She didn’t do anything yesterday except jump on the Votato wagon AT THE VERY END.

She voted right before Votato self hammered.

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

Pretty sure this makes mastina 100% scum.

This was the last time Bingle posted. (This is 1702, he also posted 1703) that was it.

I agreed with what Bingle was saying here, and both Bingle and I were saying Mistanna was scum at this time.

Bingle is the much more dangerous mechanical player, which is harder for Mistyanna to play against.

This made Bingle the most dangerous threat against Mastina.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm still reading so who knows. I might find scum!April

[HoldenGolden]

Clover check our neighborhood PT. The real case is there)

[HoldenGolden]

Clover check our neighborhood PT. The real case is there)

This explains why it took you so long on doing just one iso. That is scary and impressive.

Although I don't see why I shouldn't comment out here about it

How do you know its not a reaction test?

*WIFOM intestfies*

[HoldenGolden]

Why did you post 1 case in the neighborhood but another one here Holden? What's that supposed to accomplish?

Wait did you actually fall for the reaction test?

Really did you?

[HoldenGolden]

Post it here so i can give ya the ol one two! I will fight if you’re gonna try and take me down.

Thats the kicker. I never posted one.

[HoldenGolden]

Clover check our neighborhood PT. The real case is there)

This explains why it took you so long on doing just one iso. That is scary and impressive.

Although I don't see why I shouldn't comment out here about it

How do you know its not a reaction test?

*WIFOM intestfies*

I...hate you WHAT ONE IS THE REAL ONE

BOYS HE ACTUALLY FELL FOR THE FAKE SCUM CASE REACTION TEST


I need a second to breath

[HoldenGolden]

Wait you were trying to reaction test me? Huh? I'm confused

Oh shit we reaction test mindmeld there?

I was doing it to see your reaction not hers.

@April: I wanted to see how Clover handled the jest. I doubt it would work, but he started shading me back for not posting it here which made me feel he actually fail to see the obvious reaction test and decided to just use the joke to push me.

[HoldenGolden]

Well my disspointment is inmeasureable.

This has been a fun game though

I could just do what I did with the vig kill selection and play simon flash till one of you gets my vote.

[HoldenGolden]

There was a Commuter Cop without a commuter.

This setup is interesting.

indeed I pointed that out.

...how do you know last scum cant be a rb/communter tho?

[HoldenGolden]

there was a commuter cop?

Yes BS had a communter cop role as one of his JOAT abilites

[HoldenGolden]

I think I’m going to go Holden


That’s what I’m thinking. You’re a flavor changer, commuter, roleblocker and you guys gambited with Votato because you knew you were safe from a potential actual Vig because Mastina was a Doctor.

So now you are saying there is a commuter after just saying there wasn't any?

[HoldenGolden]

Isnt that just muti personiltiy user with less randomness?

[HoldenGolden]

Agreed. I am snoozing soon

[HoldenGolden]

[HoldenGolden]

Im going to bed

Meet back at the regular time for more bickering and fighting? I'll bring tea and sugar

[HoldenGolden]

"I'm too weak, dont kill me please"
===============
Gonna read clovers ISO a bit later today to be sure, but I think its him.

If there really needs to be a town! Reason why I'm not the last scum, then here is the best singular post imo. It is before the supposed gambit on day 1.

Dang votato failed the Calvin test worsed than Farside did.

My point in asking you two was to see how you reacted once basically spoonfed a read given your similar statements about massclaiming on other players. With me assuming scum would give an wishy washy answer regardless of Calvin's alignment.

Farsides response at least just said it was werid in an elongated fashion.

I'm generally confused at what your overall evaluation of it is votato given you say parts of it is NAI, Scum driven, and town driven.

After this, I never pressed into farside despite admitting she failed. I would of decided as scum not to also get a stronger scum read off on farside thanks to votato essentially "proving" the test to be correct if he later flips. That could of been an easier mislynch (and on that I could of later really push given April's scum read on farside later in day 1) but I didnt mention it again till j believe day 4 where i just reminded myself to reread into it.

There is also the speculation in NK over miss lynch, but I don't find there to be a good case for anybody here for ehy she was killed beyond the cop check.

Oh yeah I need to finish reading April's iso for last day phase to gague if the paranoia is genuine

[HoldenGolden]

Does that mean I can vote you now or do you want to finish her iso?

Assuming I'm right about Apirl being town, sure. Knock your socks off kiddo.

If I'm wrong, I doubt I'll be able to see it given the rest of her ISO. Saves me the effort of reading yours if scum!her just votes me.

Pedit: that's why I said there isnt a good case for why anyone would make that kill beyond just to remove a cop checked slot. Aka we will could use it to prove us as town, and therefore, isnt helpful to discuss.

[HoldenGolden]

You stayed quiet and didn't give a single stance in that final 5. You can't really make a statement on how you killing Miss Lynch helps you at all here. I'm not scum, but I've wanted to vote you the whole phase basically and I've been waiting out of respect to both of you.

?

I literally said dunn was town throughout that entire phase and your role made you town for similar reasons + PT slip by bird he was a parity cop.

Which leaves me with miss lynch/April without actually considering the town read I have on ther latter last day phase.

[HoldenGolden]

Spoiler: town read on dunn based off of day 5

Haste still pays haste, and leisure answers leisure,
Like doth quit like, and measure still for measure.
What's mine is yours and what is yours is mine.

Rereading now...again. for the x number of times. Let me see if there is reason to doubt my dunn is town logic

@mod could I get another bullet please yes thank you.

Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Wouldn't this have outed someone in the neighborhood as scum? What day did Birds claim that?

It wasn't possible for me to do that; what happened was birds claimed it the same day they claimed the day 4 suicidal thing in thread, but they claimed it to me ahead of time

According to the post by birds made early in is iso in the PT, he said chemist = mastina which lined up to the start of day 3. I can quote that post dunn in our PT if you need to see what I'm referring too.

...which is why I believe you are town since it was a odd night and farside couldnt bus + why not just kill bird prior to the day phase where he telegraphed habeas going to reveal to town a confirm townie?

Yeah, i think scum is confirmed in your hood, which just means we don’t have to worry about Miss godfather being an issue. Farside stated Birds was one of the two people she bus drove, which means Birds was roleblocked, then it got directed back at Dunnstral, which is why Chemist didn’t get put in your neighborhood.

This means Possible ScumDunn roleblocked himself, hilarious.

The thing is that the neighborhood PT by design confirms his flavor as a elephant. So either he has to have a way to change it, or he cant be scum.

(Side note, that would be a cool role idea. Neighborizer that gains killing flavor based on who they neighborize. Call it the curator or something)

Would a neighborhood paraphrase recap post be helpful? I doubt us three gains much from discussing in there now since we all are the primary suspects.

Diet / Feeding
Like other kingfisher species, the Oriental Dwarf Kingfisher hunts from a perch. However, instead of fish (the typical diet of the kingfisher), it mainly feeds on insects, as well as small lizards or frogs, if the opportunity arises. Before eating lizards or frogs, it kills them by holding them in the beak and continually hitting them against a stone or tree stump.

Kingfishers are highly territorial birds. They will locate a prime area based on food sources, desirable perching trees and safe roosting sites. Like most birds, they will search for their food in the mornings and evenings. If the weather is cooler, they will also hunt for food during mid-day.

Cleanliness is important to Kingfishers; they will dive into the water to bathe, then fly to a perch to preen and dry their feathers in the sunlight. Some will even clean their heads using their wings. They will utilize a branch to clean their impressive bills, keeping them in excellent condition by scraping them back and forth.

(The black backed kingfisher is also known as the oriental dwarf kingfisher)

Assuming the flavour claim to be correct, clover would be clear from drowning.

The neighbor pt soft confirms that dunn is an elephant.

So either someone is lying about flavor (clover/April), or miss lynch is an animal capable of drowning

Me dunn and Clover are in the neighborhood scum PT. I do not think that Dunn is scum based on reading it.

I have to double check, but birds made the Parity cop claim there before coming clean in thread, which would mean that scum!Dunn could of silence them prior to them reveling the results of said claim. Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Like I said, I need to check it again, but if it checks out, then I doubt dunn is scum.

Clovers full flavor is black backed kingfisher btw. Mine, as a reminder, is Donkey sheriff (my pfp)

I've got a post baking in the oven, but I dont agree with Dunn is scum.

It would also mean he would have to be multitasking Roleblocker + neighborizer which is buffed with a flavor fractional kill switch since the neighbor PT soft confirms the elephant claim.

I'm not sure as this is my first role madness game, but I would imagine that's too many moving parts which the ability to visit 3 players potentially

[HoldenGolden]

Alright let me ask this then. Why did you wait so long to claim fully? I feel like you just added the miller part because Birds was a cop and that made it so an invest on you would turn up bad.

I claimed miller day 1 along with confused. Way before I would of made the suppose gambit.

Like I said when I claimed. I was interested in seeing if anybody would take the chance to claim the supposed missing KP on bingle. I doubt it would of work, but it worth the shot. That is why I purposely made it sound like somebody would have to be dumb to do it; to provoke the idea that scum could fakeclaim and be consider dumbtown

[HoldenGolden]

Holden if I'm scum can you tell me how the setup is even remotely balanced with a Strongman Oracle Ninja universal JOAT that also can change flavor, that can also take off the universal modifer and role block on even nights. Vs a ton of millers a few red hearings and the main power being a cop? Or, go through my iso since you think I'm scum and talk on why I do what I did in a scummy way? I know I don't beat you here, but I'd like you to anyway

Gonna read clovers ISO a bit later today to be sure, but I think its him.

Multiple protection roles -> scum needing strongarm
Ninja -> counter to all of April's abilities
Oracle -> could be used to buddy town/spread misinformation.

You role can make sense both from negative utility town or scum powerhouse due to the other glaring holes. I would say claim wise, you are townier. Content wise, apirl is strong townie.

Why do you think you wont beat me considering apirl has voiced wanting to vote me?

[HoldenGolden]

Let's really make this intresting. You been defeative over me and you going into a 1v1 to where you keep saying you have no chance of beating me.

So tell me why April could be scum.

You gave a post where you said everything looks good at the beginning of the day. You choose to go basically 1v1 with me. Do you disagree with my ISO read so far on April?

[HoldenGolden]

Tbh flavor changer can just be somebody lying about their flavor.

[HoldenGolden]

Ah seems I'm correct.

VOTE: Clover Ebi

Let me eat lunch

[HoldenGolden]

Ooo?

Was that a tricky scum apirl doesnt take clover bait to be cheeky?

[HoldenGolden]

*bows*

So its April I'm assuming

[HoldenGolden]

Well played flavor/April

It honestly was claim vs content from my PoV.

[HoldenGolden]

Expect I'm strongarm 2 shot vig

The game is a draw

[HoldenGolden]

I'm ready for the dead to start yelling at me.

[HoldenGolden]

Dw Holden they're gonna yell at both of us

Nah from your PoV it makes sense

The only other scum point I would of gotten on Flavor/Apirl would be the paranoia before this day phase being an excuse to why they weren't shot, but no telling if I actually would of came to that conclusion

[HoldenGolden]

No you won. Well played Faking that invest on birds wasn't something I expected.

I roleblocked him, but it got moved to Dunnstral.

I switched bird with dunn which caused that issue.

I can't believe people voted dunn. Even without me saying I switched bird/dunn he had the PT. He was talking to people and

knew about bird.

ugh

That's why I was saying he was town. Flavor was just good at spinning it to be scummy.

[HoldenGolden]

Lmao that makes the "how do you know there was a roleblocker" posts even better

Gg, not even mad this is contributing to my losing streak

Thanks to the hosting staff and Krazy for enduring my pms.

Pedit: nah, just tonally you overselling your incapacity to be scum and paranoia stuck out Clover. You did great for being in lylo!

I've could of been told my ISO read was wrong by April and have them scum claim, and I would still probably vote you out of that amazing scum play.

[HoldenGolden]

Let's see

I think I screwed up, or came close to screwing up, with the janitor action

Basically I didn't indicate on the janitor card a) why the janitor had no kill flavor other than "missing" b) that it would hide other kill actions (even tho this made sense in my mind) and so that was a little sloppy. Haven't dealt with janitors much and never thought about how it would resolve if multiple people killed a janitor'd target.

I think that screwed up a few thought processes on how to approach Holden's slot unfortunately so it may have been significant, but I don't think it was the defining thing.

Oh yeah, I also was a little slow confirming that Clover was added to the hood one night.

Other than that I think this is one of the cleanest games I've run maybe? I definitely thought there were some pages of really good posting in this game, and as usual Boon was very impressive in lylo.

I think the issue with my flavour by people was more it was just a plain "shot" instead of being animal like. I doubt it really made much game difference.

Intresting vouyer into the theme game park. Thanks for inviting me here Krazy. I felt the game was pretty balance imo, but I confess I dont know much about set up balance.

[HoldenGolden]

Thanks for the game, Krazy!

I wish I had been able to stick around the one time

I was a player and not a reviewer, but apparently some people can't have nice things.

Sadly you seem to not be favored among the simon flash gods.

(Sorry for the shot bingle even if you would of died anyways)