Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

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ewww my formatting. oh well

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If you're making an index of taylor posts i feel as though it's neglectful not to mention 1214 because that to me feels like one of the most crucial ones because it's very likely the exact opposite of what was going on

Yeah, I was going to come back to that, but I hadn't taken the time to read the previous two pages again.

I need sleep, but I don't want to go to bed at 7:30 pm and be up at 1.

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My nap was similarly unproductive. @Peta think taylor was projecting?
It didn't occur to me at the time but Taylor was voting Diamond while agreeing with him.
She's gunna drop misleading hints everywhere, I didn't know it at the time, but she really does always seem scummy/gets wagoned as town or scum. I wish I had asked her more questions about her experience level on this and any other sites she played on.

She unvoted right after agreeing with him?

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There's really not enough information for me to draw a conclusion as to whether Taylor knew who was scum. /: She was traveling around. I think it's more strange she interacted with as many players as she did than the other way around given it's a large game.

@FF, I believe she did yes. It might have been a delayed relaxation. It felt off in retrospect. But hindsight 20/20, etc.

Presumably, all her interactions were fake. None of it feels like real suspicion to me and much of it is pure trollery. I could be a little biased, though!

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heh

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Has Jake been active in the PT btw or is he just completely AWOL

It's been about 5 days since he posted in the PT. If he weren't confirmed town by virtue of Tayl0r's flip and FG's post about the PT composition I'd be freaking out. :/

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Being confirmed town demotivates some folks, though. And also shuts down a channel of information for forming reads.

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I'm dead tonight, SS.

If you're around tomorrow maybe we can talk about Tammy's semi-solve? Or we can look at my big wall of Tayl0r interactions and see if other things besides what I mentioned stand out?

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Need to make decisive wagon tomorrow.

Also need to decide on order for claims of non-masonries.

Sigh.

Long night.


Tomorrow morning.

Thoughts about Tammy's post?

I think that DS's position on that was silly because I don't think that's what's happening here, but I don't think it's scummy for him to have originally thought it.

I don't know people's indignation is starting to wear down the thoughts I had about them being scum.

It could also be my brain is total mush right now. Trying to parse through the bulge/peta stuff and kinda want to throw in with conviction.

i am not going to stop being annoying about this until i get my way

I've been wondering if a bulge/nahdia/maybe midwaybear solve made any sense

my earlier scum reads on bell/gamma/DS are starting to wane with what feels like real indignation about their views and I'm not sure if it's because my brain is just dead today or not. Midwaybear I only really townread the first part of day one and he's dropped off significantly since then, but Taylor did interact with him a lot, so I'm not sure what that means.

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I'm more curious about how you're feeling re Bulge.

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(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

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(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

Gamma, diamond, PETA, Bulge, cakez, Nahdia, midway.

Explain cakez?

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off the cuff

Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.

Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.

I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.

Have any of these reads besides peta changed?

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You're welcome petaboy.


Let's hope it's a red flip.

if i'm wrong i take responsibility

Do scum ever say this. /:

I seldom remember long enough to put into practice, but every time I see this sort of post, I think "things I should say when scum".

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We're at 145 pages now... do we really need to hit 200 before the game day ends?

I'm holding off voting because Bulge's current reads and thoughts ought to be in this thread.

Not going to vote my not-top scumread without giving him a chance to post it.

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Meh I guess

bears

and nahdia

should

probably

claim

too because that's my shooting pool if red flip.

He's showing up pretty much daily now?

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I mean, I'm kinda expecting him to show up in the middle of my night.

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DS isn't happening.

(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

meh.

Tammy doesn't like DS and that's influencing my read some.

I need you to have a well defined pool for pizza before day ends.

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If it's final then we good.

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I just want y'all to know that I'm not going to like putting a vote down on Bulge.

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What does your heart want. Tell me. What is your truest desire.

Because fuck it I'll shoot that fucker dead to rights if that's what you want.

I'll vote tomorrow after Tammy and I discuss again, and if I have a true desire at that point I'll let you know.

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can the conftown like do something kthx

Cakez, I get if Bulge scumreading the whole pool is scummy if presented as a normal readslist. Considering these are perhaps his legacy reads, is it still scummy then?

yeah I think so especially because I don't think this elim is guaranteed yet too much hesitance from the conftown

Your dissatisfaction is noted.

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I'm basically ready to vote now, but since Bulge said he'll be back this afternoon, I want to give him time for that.

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I'm basically ready to vote now, but since Bulge said he'll be back this afternoon, I want to give him time for that.

Did your wheels within wheels within hearts pick anything special up for me?

I'm ok with your plans. my reads/read strengths are shifting a bit over the last 24 hours, but I don't feel ready to set sail with them.

If that changes before hammer, I'll let you know.

On a semi-related topic how do you feel about Cakez' recent posts?

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On a semi-related topic how do you feel about Cakez' recent posts?

I wish FakeGod had given me the role I asked him for the first time, a 16-shot daycig.

It's like a dayvig, but they die of lung cancer instead.


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But yeah, they've been uh... fine? Still have him near the top of the list and willingness to yell at the retirement home for masons is probably re-enforcement of that?

YaYa sisterhood thankyouverymuch.

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vote: The Bulge

grumble.

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vote: The Bulge

grumble.

If you want somebody else more badly then say so, lass.

I had my vote where my heart wanted it.

You shoot where you think scum are given the flip. A slice of pizza tends to focus the pizza-holder's mind.

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I'm a little less sanguine about Gamma, but would be willing to discuss. Still not entirely comfortable about that mastina-style catchup while all sorts of shit was going on in real time.

Pretty much the only legitimate reason I’ve seen you put out about me is the fact my catch ups are mastina-style. I have pointed out the fact that they actually differ in a way that should actually quite significantly allay your concerns about me, and stated that I’m like this as both alignments in multiple contexts, but you still have held onto this point like a treasured childhood doll. Is there really nothing else to the read? Why haven’t you acknowledged my response to this point seemingly ever? If this read on me really is all that it seems to be, I definitely look forward to rolling scum against you.

You should re-iso me if you think that's the only reason I've put out about you.

You backed off your DS push but I didn't like the way you went about backing off any more than I liked the way you used my question to DS as the launch-point of your push.

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If you want to swing back there, you have my support, and my idiot kid brother-lurker's support.

I don't think there's enough time and I don't think there are enough people scumreading Gamma to make it worth the effort.

I am more than quixotic enough to fold my arms and stick to my vanity wagons. This doesn't feel like the time to do that. However, I do want my concerns and druthers in this thread for day 3.

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It warms my heart that trajectory is still a thing after my self-exile.

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vote: Gamma

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the make up of the two main wagons is kinda troubling.

I think that it's possible some of the non-masons have better reads because they have the typical game perspective of "in/out of elim-pool based on my play". That's a channel of info that's mostly lacking in the Gamma wagon.

It's conceivable that either wagon could be entirely town-driven. But there has to be at least one scum on one of the two main wagons.

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One wagon is all unconfirmed towns and the other is almost all (supposedly) confirmed towns. Wonder how this should make me feel.

Who of the (supposedly) conftown do you think are lying?

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how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.

Who?

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the make up of the two main wagons is kinda troubling.

I think that it's possible some of the non-masons have better reads because they have the typical game perspective of "in/out of elim-pool based on my play". That's a channel of info that's mostly lacking in the Gamma wagon.

It's conceivable that either wagon could be entirely town-driven. But there has to be at least one scum on one of the two main wagons.

For there to be scum in the Gamma wagon either Bulge is scum or one of the conftowns is actually scum somehow
What are you suggesting?

I'm suggesting that it's within the realm of possibility that Bulge is scum.

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I'm going to give this another try at explaining where my head is at.

This is a situation where no conftown are on the Bulge wagon. Maybe having that additional channel of info -- how the non-masonries are reading each other explains that, or if the wagon has scum presence.

Gamma's wagon isn't going to tell us much if he flips town.

These are considerations outside my reads of both Bulge and Gamma.

I'm not suggesting this is reason to change votes. It's just an acknowledgement of the gamestate as I see it.

I'll consider moving to Nahdia if there's enough energy around that, especially if their wagon doesn't become super polarized like the composition of these two wagons.

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vote: Nahdia

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Thoughts about my 3867?

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Oh my.

Talk me out of it if you think this is a bad idea.

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You're my strongest non-confirmed townread peta. It feels strange going against Assassin's choice here.

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I feel like bulge's flip provides more information in general

I feel the exact opposite of this.

Why?

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I feel like bulge's flip provides more information in general

I feel the exact opposite of this.

Why?

I get less from wall posts than naturally occurring (or unnaturally occurring) interactions. Because I think more care is put into the wall post than the spaced out posts.

How does this impact the info you get from his flip?

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In contrast, I definitely AtE’d there in response to the wagon on me

This post really bugs me.

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Brain mush.

@FF, why?

It struck me as off because I didn't move my vote off Gamma because of his AtE post. I feel a hint of smugness behind the words, like there was method and measure to the AtE post and it was successful. Maybe I'm reading into the tone incorrectly. I also feel like he mischaracterized my interactions with DS to his detriment (before the backoff), and this is another one, in a way.

Also, a subtext of : "AtE, ur doing it rong" to Bulge in this post.

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Oh. That actually kinda makes sense. I'm weak to aTe though.
Even nahdia's whatever, eliminate me post got me shuffling.

I am, too. It's a hard, crazy year for a lot of people, and it just keeps grinding away.

When a lot of AtE hits the thread the differences in tone and in player reactions becomes part of the data flow.

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vote: Gamma

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Oh. That actually kinda makes sense. I'm weak to aTe though.
Even nahdia's whatever, eliminate me post got me shuffling.

It got you shuffling, but not enough to vote elsewhere?

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where's your little brother?

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My urge to pull a Syr is non-zero.

But technically, that right belongs to the yayas first.

Your pool still the same as last time Bulge was at E-1?

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seeya tomorrow!

or not.

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fucking finally

This is an odd reaction

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everyone seems town and no one seems town

I was going to hammer a ~townread. I had a yaya hammer image picked out and everything. Cabd saved me that fate, anyway.

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Please elim midway tomorrow.

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fucking finally

This is an odd reaction

Why? I've already been annoyed by the constant wagon switching and kerfuffling by the conftown for a while.

Do you think bulge is lying about being town after the hammer?

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Maybe
I've been fooled by it before and he seems like the type to bs about it

That's what seems odd to me about your reaction.

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Grats town!

Thanks DGB!

Well played, Pooky.

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Hey DGB, what do you think of this? Do you think this is a strong enough reason for a villager who only has the information in their role pm that they are town, to fakeclaim mason lovers with another villager?

Well

Once in a hydra with kuribo... we fakeclaimed mason with dramonic... we were town and so was he!

Link?

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... 1&start=75

I loled.

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thank you so much for the game, fakegod, it was so much fun relitigating Deaths Diner. I am super happy with our dethy play and was very sad to die so early even though I expected to.

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It's funny, Cabd and I also fakeclaimed and we don't seem to be catching much shit for it.

You didn't fake claim in a way that led town to believe a scum player was confirmed town. It sure didn't involve late-game mis-eliming a couple of town players who put their hearts into the game, too. And it left the other town player in elo trying to judge between two players who had fake-claimed in a way the converted what was on the way to a town stomp into a potential loss. If Tammy's replacement hadn't been a god tier player I'm not sure it would have been a win.

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Pooky you were a lot of fun to play with. You have the social manipulation aspect of this game down to a very fine virtuoso art! I don't think I've ever played with a scum player who made the game more enjoyable all the way up to that final moment where you had to turn on someone and stab them in the heart!

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Scum team PLEEEEZE let us see your PT.

Pretty Please?

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You were aware of your traitor, but not of the dethy? I was curious if Taylor piggybacking my crumb gave the game away to your team anyway. That was in the back of my mind when we decided to go for broke day 1.

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Oh also, this was beginning of a legend:

I want to talk about the ill-fated dethy in Death's Diner.

I thought you might have been a little sad to have some dethy ringers in your dethy! We did hit the ground running with it and that was a lot of fun.

It's really cool that Death's Diner inspired this game.

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Yeah, I didn't get that crumb and neither did Syr. We both thought Cabd was crumbing loverizer or neighborizer there.

Cabd laid down non-crumb hints about being a miller on day 1, though, so other than as a sanity calibrator we were never going to investigate there.

I also disagree that our crumbing was uncrackable.

I've cracked similar stuff in other games, and I tested a couple of our crumbs with MS search this morning to confirm they were crackable.

It takes maybe 15 minutes max per major crumb, and quite a few of the crumbs would quickly trace back to Natirasha's Advance Wars Upick large theme game where an entire treasure trove of related crumbs were buried.

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Who killed me?

I assume the why of my being targeted was that I was noisy and opinionated and (gasp) even decisive in this game.

And also you were kinda stuck not being able to target Tammy at least that night.

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Well when/if you come off hiatus, hit me up.

Same!

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Yeah, I didn't get that crumb and neither did Syr. We both thought Cabd was crumbing loverizer or neighborizer there.

Cabd laid down non-crumb hints about being a miller on day 1, though, so other than as a sanity calibrator we were never going to investigate there.

I also disagree that our crumbing was uncrackable.

I've cracked similar stuff in other games, and I tested a couple of our crumbs with MS search this morning to confirm they were crackable.

It takes maybe 15 minutes max per major crumb, and quite a few of the crumbs would quickly trace back to Natirasha's Advance Wars Upick large theme game where an entire treasure trove of related crumbs were buried.

The crackability relies on people deep diving past games for clues that may or may not exist, idk it just seeems sketchy, and I’m going to have a clause warning about it in my ruleset going forward.

Good to know. Thanks.