given this post, a good chunk of the reasoning to lim HC is rather undercutIn post 2392, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There will be multiple people there with me assuming the rest of you follow the spreadsheet.
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I haven't gotten that sense yet, if I'm wrong I'm sorryIn post 2403, SirCakez wrote:i'm trying to work with you on this now and then you bring it back up, really?
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wasted vote >:(
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adjust this for the case titus is limmed today plsIn post 2407, Akarin wrote:
1 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should do it
2 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.(Assuming one of the locations isn't already occupied, in which case it's just a 1 Location Sabotage.<Embrace The Void>
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he's posted some but it doesn't feel natural, it's driven I guess mostly by, as you said, being a leading wagon. And I've already stated a lot of his posts are the same mech stuff saying he wants to go to electricalIn post 2409, SirCakez wrote:he's posting a lot and he feels pretty high profile (he's been a leading wagon all day)
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this is a reasonable sentiment btwIn post 2415, Battle Mage wrote:there's no need for them to, when a no-elim is generally considered ok.<Embrace The Void>
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then vote no elim, don't vote a vanity wagonIn post 2419, MURDERCAT wrote:
It's not wasted lol I am ok with no elimIn post 2406, Gamma Emerald wrote:wasted vote >:(<Embrace The Void>
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If taly and Blitzo put up titus will be at e-1 with your voteIn post 2424, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: No Lim
We're not going to get consensus on a vote, we got like 15mins to deadline. If something comes up to E-1 I'll hammer it if someone points it out. Frankly I think a lot of today got wasted on pettiness and my own RL issues haven't helped my end.<Embrace The Void>
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yeah, lazy voter syndrome is not good irl or hereIn post 2426, Battle Mage wrote:
you realise if everyone shares your attitude, that's the reason nobody gets limmed?In post 2418, Blitzo wrote:@BM you know that isn't correct, I have caught up on basically everything lmao.
I can vote Titus but what's the point if we can't lim someone?
If taly doesn't come back I don't think we can make it happen.
you are not looking good here, all keen for an elim, but reluctant to pull the trigger.
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this presumes titus doesn't get limmedIn post 2407, Akarin wrote:
1 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should do it
2 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.(Assuming one of the locations isn't already occupied, in which case it's just a 1 Location Sabotage.<Embrace The Void>
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VOTE, WE HAVE ENOUGHIn post 2472, Flea The Magician wrote:Honestly, there's still a lot of interesting information on this wagon.
I'd probably look at it... but ya know...<Embrace The Void>
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Alisae was hardcore disengaged in Admin last night. I can understand losing track of the task because of that. Plus, why does she rep out as scum, when she kinda has a workable alibi? It seems more like she’s town who lost the will to play following fucking up her responsibility with her “role”.<Embrace The Void>
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You two are literally arguing for the same things rn.In post 2565, SirCakez wrote:
What lockstep?In post 2563, Gamma Emerald wrote:I highly distrust this lockstep between BM and Cakez here.
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There are people I could see with Titus but Taly isn’t one of them.In post 2581, MURDERCAT wrote:I AM WORRIED TALY IS SCUM WITH TITUS FOR HOW END OF DAY WENT
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Try again, but use multiple brain cells.In post 2585, Battle Mage wrote:Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever<Embrace The Void>
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I can tell: this is going to be a long night.
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Okay so my first order of business is gonna be extracting Akarin's reads from her ISO, because we in the Admin PT agreed scum were going to kill someone for their reads, but hers are buried within several posts it seems.
Also, Why isn't Flea under that umbrella you stated, Blitzo?<Embrace The Void>
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While I wait to see if pooky/OWER are gonna give me a reprieve from one ordeal, I'll handle another, which is read the ~40 pages I did not get to read of D1.
PEdit: I think we should try giving it to someone who's already going to be in the area for Akarin's task, if we're not giving it to someone scummy.<Embrace The Void>
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FYI the thing bothering me the most about Bell is how he dodged the thread at EoD yesterday. Titus you were THERE for Arbiter's Takeover, you SAW how I handled my EoD absences. Switch up the timeline and that's Bell's behavior here, to a T.<Embrace The Void>
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Sure.In post 2632, Titus wrote:
You knew because you are scum.In post 2629, Bell wrote:
Ume, howe exactlye wase Ie supposed toe knowe whate abilities ore howe interference woulde worke?In post 2625, Titus wrote:
The misrep nor the mention of particularly how scum could sabotage do.In post 2623, MURDERCAT wrote:
THIS MAKES SENSE WITH THE THEME THOUGHIn post 2620, Titus wrote:none of us had any information to do
Alsoe, pretty sure, Ie dide make guesses ase toe howe scume mighte interfere.
Your advanced knowledge plus your misrep makes you scum.
@Gamma, Join me.
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Also thinking about it I could see how Alisae's play progressed as scum here. Putting together the entire timeline, e started off strong but lost focus and ended up not having control of the town, and it went downhill from there. But the thing is, e was working with us in Admin to shore up a read list, and I don't see why e puts in that effort just to throw it all away after fucking up eir PR. I would expect e'd either just not give a care about forming those reads, or stick to the game. It seems like the rep-out was driven by exasperation and frustration at bungling everything, which is such a weird and crazy thing for scum to do.
So overall, my townread there isn't as strong but it's still there.<Embrace The Void>
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if someone else townleadery came to the fore around the time alisae's drive fell off, that would entirely explain that given this postIn post 926, Alisae wrote:ya ig i am more active during this day phase.
Maybe I think its because we don't have cabd, ffery, tammy, syr, peta, and others trying to solve.
I think I tone out when that happens tbh
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What drove you to name the rooms you did here?In post 964, MURDERCAT wrote:
We could like, still leash though.In post 961, Akarin wrote:Like are people clear that that's the cost of not claiming anything? And that's worth not giving scum the information?
"Priority rooms for tonight are caf, nav, weapons, reactor" and then everyone picks from the list.
I like TGP's posts on the same page as this post btw<Embrace The Void>
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thoughts on this following the night's events? This is mostly @Titus but if anyone else thinks they have something worth saying go ahead.In post 582, Titus wrote:I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.
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I want to define this better. I kinda see chaos and order as states of being, chaos characterized by a presence of activity, order being characterized by lack of activity. Because in the scenario of the universe, it is in chaos and through the granual heat death of the universe, slowly coming to order. Once everything is still, it could be considered orderly, no?In post 1027, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In a sentence, town BM is more chaotic. I don't sense the same sort of chaotic town!BM vibe I normally get.In post 1025, Titus wrote:
What distinguishes the two?In post 1021, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think this is legitimately wrongIn post 1016, SirCakez wrote:
BM is playing to town metaIn post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:
whyIn post 585, SirCakez wrote:Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible
@SirCakez this is to you as well.
So, to place BM's play in this framework, as town he is quite active, and his activity set the game into chaos, because he causes things to move. In my one scumgame with him, he had a decent level of activity, but he didn't really do much besides kick up some already displaced dust with DoubtingThomas. And here, he was not a driving force at all for like, the first several days of the game, and his posting was essentially beating the same bush repeatedly regarding wanting people to accompany him to electrical, and we KNOW scum had a room block mechanism and ended up gating that spot, so I feel like it's possible that was a telegraphed attack.
Okay, with a little more experience, here's my take on MCat meta broken down by game.In post 1044, Gamma Emerald wrote:I just had a game where mcat turned on the jets a little later
so like, I think him doing it again is sensible given how that other game worked out
Mini 2170: active but got miselimmed D1, had a correct SR on Pooky that I didn't see because of an issue I have with reading into wagon direction. Probably could have drove Pooky's lim later on.
Student Council: Was active but not really solvy d1, but I got a gut townvibe from him D1 that led me to pushing him to be in the Council. On D2 he kicked it into gear and drove the game, helping rustle things so town ended up winning.
Micro 977 (VG Metal Covers): got pocketed by Infinity, but iirc pegged JL as scum after being yanked out of the pocket with Infinity's D1 scum flip.
So my sense is his reads get better as the game goes on. There's also haunted village as a game we played but idk his progression there, I just recall he got soulread by infinity<Embrace The Void>
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So, thinking about this. I had one game (guitarists mafia) where DGB was obvtown, and it's been coloring my perception of her since. But I think it might be she's actually on a town streak, and here's why. The last time I remember seeing DGb have this little want-it-more was in The Thing Mafia, where her hydra with Ranmaru got scumread for their lack of solviness and dealings around the aaction plan. iirc DGB was actually on a scum streak at that time which made her not feel like playing. So seeing as DGB has turned out town a lto recently, the trend seems to indicate she's town here too.In post 1067, Gamma Emerald wrote:why only this >:/
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I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.<Embrace The Void>
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Scum could be frustrated but it seems weird to replace out when the situation is entirely playable, plus the approach makes no sense, as stated already.
Also, Cool to know Reck was in Reactor. So I'm gonna guess Titus was with Haschel in Comms then?<Embrace The Void>
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I changed my mind. I felt like trying for a lim, regardless of whether we got it or not, was the play as things were wrapping up. I was trying to implement the guide LLD posted regarding driving wagons in large games, as could possibly be told by how much I focused on getting reads from the flips themselves.In post 2682, SirCakez wrote:
but why try to force this when (at the time) we agreed no elim was best strat?In post 2680, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.<Embrace The Void>
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I don't like the vibe of this question because I feel like Bell has been askingIn post 1124, Bell wrote:Does anyone have a post restriction that's like 'you can't post in your neighborhood'?a lotof this sort of question?<Embrace The Void>
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I think this is a fine exercise to do at this moment, interestingly.In post 1127, Taly wrote:also who is Blitzo? i demand everybody who reads this post to say "Blitzo is town/scum/?" so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...<Embrace The Void>
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810rg, I don't like this given that was a surprisingly salient comment for what my current expectations of DGB are.In post 1146, Flea The Magician wrote:Big claim some someone with an average of 7 or 8 words per post.
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Okay this is just bullshit. Xenoblade 2 also had a lot of big personalities (cabd, flavor leaf, fermis flames, to name a few) but you stood and led the charge alongside them. So there's no real validity to this excuse.In post 1168, Battle Mage wrote:Eh, it's a big game with big personalities. I'm riding along with most of this.<Embrace The Void>
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Still feeling this way? I doubt it, personally.In post 1203, Titus wrote:No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.<Embrace The Void>
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what's the point of this comment? You yourself pushed BM.In post 1235, Flea The Magician wrote:
Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.In post 1233, Titus wrote:
This is OMGUS.In post 1221, Taly wrote:VOTE: DippingGoofball
I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.
*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*<Embrace The Void>
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I'm actually thinking you're a good guy atpIn post 2697, DrippingGoofball wrote:
LookIn post 2689, Gamma Emerald wrote:
810rg, I don't like this given that was a surprisingly salient comment for what my current expectations of DGB are.In post 1146, Flea The Magician wrote:Big claim some someone with an average of 7 or 8 words per post.
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There are others things you can do between deciding whether or not you should shoot me in the face tonight. Having said that you're probably town, because if you were scum you wouldn't be wringing your hands over the decision.<Embrace The Void>
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