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I mean I just felt like we had a special connection there for a moment, but maybe you just don't see me that way??In post 10, Mistyx wrote:if you're trying to pocket me, you'll have to try harder than that :p-
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Lovely to play with you again Flea - I really felt for you when you threw yourself on vax, just for the town to elim him anyway, in our previous game togetherIn post 15, Flea The Magician wrote:CHAOS HAS ARRIVED.
Now who would like tea?
*offers VOTE: Cassowary a cup*
Night all-
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Tone is subjective, but I can see this thought process coming from a place of being townIn post 20, Porkens wrote:
While I agree, I simultaneously find this post to be contrived and therefore suspicious. Let’s prosecute this.In post 9, Marky Mark wrote:Great intro Gamma - thank your sir!
Time to put on our thinking caps and batter some scum.
VOTE: Jake 1v1 me bro
--pedit: we are so in sync, Mistyx. Townbloc is clearly already forming
vote: Marky Mark
Fidget jumping on the back of this immediately afterwards (their sole post so far), strikes me as more suspicous tho. Try harder pls.In post 21, Fidget wrote:VOTE: Marky
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I agree that this is scummy - doesnt feel like a random vote, but if was non-random would expect at least a vague justificationIn post 50, Grendel wrote:Porkens, so far is most scummy of the roster.-
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I'm not falling for a flavour-fishing attempt that obviousIn post 70, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Who... are you?In post 67, Marky Mark wrote:@Jake - why no love after I invited you super-seriously to 1v1 me??. After the whole Mistyx thing, this feels like one rejection after another-
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I mean yeah, it's definitely that and not anything else.In post 74, Porkens wrote:It wasn’t really a comment on “tone.” The words we choose have desired effects. The words you chose seem to be LAMIST and specifically designed in other ways to seem town. In short, I think you are trying to “look town” moreso than a genuine town would feel necessary.-
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I feel like we've kinda started to move beyond RVS - do you have any thoughts on any of the preceding 82 posts?In post 83, Turin Turambar wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
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That's an answer to a different question (ref flavourclaims), not the one grendel asked you in 75 (ref my op)In post 89, Porkens wrote:In post 87, Marky Mark wrote:@Porkens and Grendel pls just both answer each other's questions and stop arguing over who answers first. Would be interesting to hear from both of you
What else is it?In post 86, Marky Mark wrote:
I mean yeah, it's definitely that and not anything else.In post 74, Porkens wrote:It wasn’t really a comment on “tone.” The words we choose have desired effects. The words you chose seem to be LAMIST and specifically designed in other ways to seem town. In short, I think you are trying to “look town” moreso than a genuine town would feel necessary.
My answer is on this page, above two posts that responded to it.In post 87, Marky Mark wrote:@Porkens and Grendel pls just both answer each other's questions and stop arguing over who answers first. Would be interesting to hear from both of you
Ref my opening post, see if you can work out why I might try and weave certain words or statements in there early-
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I'm lowkey wondering if you're scum here with a flavour that naturally leans toward scum and you're worried about being flavourcoppedIn post 78, cassowary wrote: Re flavor claims: I do agree flavor almost certainly is not alignment-indicative, bc my flavor character doesn't match my alignment.-
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I make an opening post. Porkens lays out, what seems on the surface, like a fairly reasonable case against it.In post 90, Fidget wrote:What strikes you as suspicious about me?
You just come along and jump on the wagon. Your justification of eagerness of the back of me making 4 posts feels a bit forced - I was pretty hyped for this after waiting over a month for the game to get going.-
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"Eagerness to create content" == playing the game. Define interesting? If you suspect me then own your suspicions.In post 90, Fidget wrote: Your eagerness to create content is interesting to me, although I do not find anything you've done hard to fake as of yet. I am curious, do you usually try to get slightly late RVS voters to give thoughts, or was this done on more of a whim, perhaps related to how excited you are to play this game?
And yeah, game was moving beyond RVS and certain slots weren't making a meaningful effort to engage. I've been bitten by lurkerscum before, and I dont like giving people free rides.-
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I'll be fair tho, this post feels townyIn post 91, Fidget wrote:I get that Grendel probably has his hands full answering questions at the moment, but I'd love to toss another one into the thunderdome for him whenever he's gotten those sorted, if this question does not get answered: was your claim that Porkens is the scummiest player related to the curiosity around misty/porkens not claiming flavor?-
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In post 94, Uncrowned wrote:
Try harder pls lads. At least make a case against me, so that I can point out why you are wrongIn post 20, Porkens wrote:
While I agree, I simultaneously find this post to be contrived and therefore suspicious. Let’s prosecute this.In post 9, Marky Mark wrote:Great intro Gamma - thank your sir!
Time to put on our thinking caps and batter some scum.
VOTE: Jake 1v1 me bro
--pedit: we are so in sync, Mistyx. Townbloc is clearly already forming
vote: Marky Mark
I'll sheep this.
VOTE: Mark-
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Town voice of reason is the best compliment I've had in weeks on this site :3In post 98, Grendel wrote:Marky mark definitely is leaning hard into playing, "Town voice of reason." A favorite of scum's in the early game.
VOTE: Marky
Please tell me more about how trying to work with the rest of the town and move the game forwards makes me scum?
I like some of your analysis posts above this one so I'm not calling you out as scum here per se, I just dont get your logic-
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@Fidget, yeah exactly. It's not a smoking gun, but why specifically mention their character's flavour is scummy unless there is an element of ulterior motives there? Genuine question.
I still think Fidget's 90 is reaching and forced, but their other recent posts have felt ++town, so I'mma update my vote
VOTE: Uncrowned
I'm less bothered by Vax naked voting me, as he's been engaging with the wider game (although its still in the towns interests for him to provide a justification)
Uncrowned on the other hand, rocks up, votes for me, and contributes 0 to the conversation. Just does not help us move the game forward or find scum, which is ofc lined up with scum's motives-
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Other random thought - why is Fidget calling me out for my eagerness but neglecting to mention Vax, who had a significantly higher post # than me, especially at the time it was written as that was prior to my posts this evening
--pedit @fidget so basically your point is I could be scum trying to fake being proactive or be town actually being proactive. The literal point of the game is to try and sort people between those two categories .
'They are doing pro-town things, but it might be scum doing it for towncred'(my verrry loose paraphrasing) feels like a pretty thin justification for a vote on someone lol. Yeah, I totally agree it's easy to do generic proactive things as scum so none of it is town-indicative, but I am baffled how this is in any way scum indicative either.-
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So to summarise your logic:In post 129, Fidget wrote:
Why not? For scum, looking towny is more important than not looking towny, after all, and I would argue it's probably the easiest to fake content at the beginning.In post 103, Mistyx wrote:i dont think acting performative in rvs is really a solid basis for a wagon
VOTE: uncrowned
i dont like that you just hop in and follow a wagon without other thoughts provided!!
do you have any individual takes on anyone?I am considering suspecting Uncrowned, but at the same time, it would have been quite easy to have commented on anything at all. He does not even elaborate on why he is voting Mark. This is potentially a complete lack of caring about his own appearance... If I were scum, I would have some thoughts prepared before entering the thread.
I see that the point being made is that Uncrowned does nothing to move the game forward or find scum.. which I would disagree with quite vehemently, actually. Although I cannot judge yet whether the intent was to move the game forward or not, I think it does, possibly more substantially than if he had said more.
1.)Being proactive in RVS more likely comes from being scum than town- I agree here that scum care more about looking town, but town have another major incentive to be proactive: finding scum!
2.)Uncrowned's naked vote on the top wagon is less scummy than if they had justified it- like eh idk maybe. Feels like Too scummy To Be Scum (TM) logic somewhat
I'm still trying to get a feel for you, but phrases like "I am considering suspecting" feel scummy to me. If you SR or TR someone then own your suspicions. If you think its NAI then that's cool too, but either way, being vague is not super helpful here.-
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You beat me to the obvious response here lolIn post 143, cassowary wrote:
lolIn post 141, Porkens wrote:
That “lol” looks forced.In post 125, Marky Mark wrote:'They are doing pro-town things, but it might be scum doing it for towncred' (my verrry loose paraphrasing) feels like a pretty thin justification for a vote on someone lol-
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Your point is still essentially that scum could replicate anything that I've done this game. This is true, but does not make me scum.In post 147, Grendel wrote:its a matter of what you seem to be doing vs what you are actually doing. It feels to me like you are playing for town cred, and not to solve the game.
On some level you are working with town + those other things you said. However its v easy as scum who want to play a protown looking game to play agreeable with townies/ look really reasonable. THeres less stress b/c the answers are already available to scum.-
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So, I agree with you here that your vote leading to me getting immediately limmed is unlikely. The problem though is that a naked vote on a top wagon with no other content (until now) means that:In post 155, Uncrowned wrote:
This is wrong.In post 122, Marky Mark wrote:Uncrowned on the other hand, rocks up, votes for me, and contributes 0 to the conversation. Just does not help us move the game forwardor find scum, which is ofc lined up with scum's motives
Assume you're scum here. Doesn't this entirely ruin your premise?
What if I told you I was joining in to get a reaction from you? To force you to generate content you may not have been willing to do without added motivation?
Now we've seen how you react - and it's not a good one. This line in particular is over-explainy.
"Which is ofc lined up with scum's motives"
But is it really? You're making the assumption that scumcrowned would think it's plausible that you'd get quicklimmed, which doesn't happen often, especially with this number of players. Then I'd also have to bank on nobody suspecting me when it came to my vote, which was self-claimed sheep. Do you think in a 14 player game there is any scenario where I win here as scum if you get elimmed?
No, not really.
The fact of the matter is this: My vote was NAI. I could and would do it as either alignment. I could wine and be self-biased and say it's ever so slightly more town indicative, but only people with decent experience of my play would get that so it's pointless.
My senses tell me one of the people discrediting me for this vote are trying hard to get early towncred. I don't believe multiple scum would take the exact same approach on my slot, so I'll assume there's only one scum in there for now.
-It is next to impossible for the rest of us to get a read on your slot, as there is nothing to go off
-It is impossible to try and refute you as you have not provided any justification.
So tldr its an easy play as scum to avoid doing anything too controversial, while gently building heat on a slot in a way they can't directly refute.
So no, I didn't make the assumption that scum!you was trying to quicklim me, its just a scummy post. Pls dont put words in my mouth-
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It's up to them how they want to read me, but they are voting me on flawed logic. If people vote me for reasons that don't make sense then I will hold them to account.In post 160, the worst wrote:are you pleasing w Grendel to nullread you or something?
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I mean we now know that it drew a lot of attention, but that is only through the benefit of hindsight.In post 164, Uncrowned wrote:
Is it really an easy play if it's going to draw this much attention? There are plenty of better ways I could've entered this thread that wouldn't have made me the talking point/vote for multiple people.In post 161, Marky Mark wrote:So tldr its an easy play as scum to avoid doing anything too controversial, while gently building heat on a slot in a way they can't directly refute.
Town can also build heat on a slot in that manner. Acting as if it's something only scum would do is flat out wrong and feels like an attempt at shading something and calling it scummy when it's definitely not exclusively scummy.
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Ok so if, as you say, being proactive is something that scum and town can both do, then that means you aren't SRing me for doing something towny, you are SRing me for doing something nullish?!In post 166, Fidget wrote:You seem to be getting the idea that I'm scumreading you for being proactive/protown. What I find suspicious about you is how some of your posts give the appearance of being protown, but in reality are easy to make and mostly just make you seem like you're doing something than are actually doing something.
I recognize that town can do this too, but I wouldn't classify this as scumreading you for doing anything towny. You do have better posts that make me feel maybe you just have a large desire to create content due to how excited you are for the game, even if it's very little things.-
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I mean yeah sort of. It's actually kinda both defence and scumhunting. If someone is SRing you for reasons that don't make sense, then part of the scumhunting process is pushing back against that logic to see whether they are mistaken town or scum.In post 182, Porkens wrote:It seems to me that marky is also more focused on defense and discrediting rather than scumhunting-
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I didn't give this tons of thought earlier, but the self-justification is mildly ++SR. It's pretty easy to string an argument together along the lines of "scum!me would have done XYZ instead"In post 164, Uncrowned wrote:There are plenty of better ways I could've entered this thread that wouldn't have made me the talking point/vote for multiple people.-
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@Fidgit - cheers for the extended post. I kinda get where you are coming from, although I think that trying to help the game progress is still nullish at worst. There is a good reason for my first couple of posts, and if you think hard enough about it you can probably work it out for yourself. The rest, I think we've gone over and I kinda disagree with your logic, but I (at least somewhat) believe that you believe it.
I think it's a questionable choice of Jake and chk to go after the worst - I'm not convinced that 2 votes mid-d1 is going to carry much impetus. NAI imo, but I'd like to understand why them over, say, another inactive slot like Turin
I'll drop VAX a cheekyFOStoo - lots of posts, but fairly thin on any scrutiny/analysis/reads. Could be posting style tbf, but feels very different to the Bears mini where we played together.-
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Mildly, because it is scummy enough to point out, but not so scummy as to be a smoking gun. I want to be clear in my intentions here.
You are hard-misrepping me over "better ways" - as I've actually said in my post its the wider concept of a player trying to rationalize why scum!them would not act as they have just done. Do you disagree with my logic here?-
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Yeah for sure, a townie can also play the "scum!me wouldn't do XYZ card", but overall scum have more reasons (in my experience) to play this card.In post 206, Uncrowned wrote:
Again, this is something that a townie can 100% do.In post 202, Marky Mark wrote:I didn't give this tons of thought earlier, but the self-justification is mildly ++SR. It's pretty easy to string an argument together along the lines of "scum!me would have done XYZ instead"
What is your Mafia experience like?
Are you going to give actual reasons for your SR or are you going to keep coming up with NAI stuff that you're conf!biasing into a bad read?
I've already made it very clear that I found this AI, but only to a limited extent, so please don't misrep me
I made an account on this site in 2014 and played ~2 games. I returned a few months ago and have played another ~4 games since.
I have given you fairly explicitly my reasons for an SR on you - I'm happy to chat through any or all of them but please dont misrep me by claiming that I haven't provided reasons for my SR.-
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No need to be rude dudeIn post 208, Uncrowned wrote:Mark is >rand scum atm but there's decent chance he's just clueless town
If you're actually town here, work with me to help me see why my reasons for suspecting you (which I have clearly laid out) are mistaken. You are doing this to an extent, and I appreciate this.
Flailing at me and trying to misrep me by saying that I haven't explained my reasons for SRing you is not making me think that you're town here.-
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Not the first time you've voted me with minimal explanation Vax (unless your reason is that you think I'm wrong about uncrowned, which you have alluded to).
Why vote Porkens earlier in 163? I'm not sure you explained that one either-
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Morning all
The vote count is not quite right - Vax is voting me, ie Uncrowned and I are both on 5.
Jake has managed to post a decent amount without saying very much at all. Their vote is now also fairly moot as the slot is being replaced. @Jake - what are your thoughts on the leading wagons?
I am starting to TR Cassoway because I just feel like they are on a similar wavelength. 216 in particular summed up what I was thinking far more articulately than I was able to put across-
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I mean yeah, I agree naked votes are never great as its hard to get a feel for the slot's thought process behind the voteIn post 223, Uncrowned wrote:Hey guys, look. Someone sheeping a wagon.
Clear scum. Let's elim them.
BUT.... I think you are being slightly disingenuous here. There's a big difference between
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As others have mentioned, scum tend to care more about looking town then actual townies do. It's certainly something I have seen scum do in previous games to try and rationalise/defend their actionsIn post 226, Uncrowned wrote:But *why* is it more likely for scum to do what I'm doing than town would be? That still hasn't been answered yet.-
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Mate, you need to calm down. There's no need to talk to me like that :SIn post 229, Uncrowned wrote:Have you read Chkflp's ISO at all or are you just talking out of your ass?
They are the exact same thing and if you're SRing me, you are 1000% SRing them too.
Entering the game with a naked vote and nothing else is clearly different to having a bunch of posts (true, a lot of fluff, but also some content) and then updating a vote with a naked vote. It's still not a great look for chkflip, but it is not the same context at all as your opening post.
You dropped your vote, you got more heat than you imagined you would for it, you then wrote a massive second post trying to justify your first one and then carry on in later posts trying to rationalise how town!you would never have made that first post. That feels to me like someone who actually cares a lot about looking town.In post 231, Uncrowned wrote:How is my first vote the act of a scum who would care about looking town, exactly?
I'm not seeing your thought process here at all.
As above, I don't see any particular contradiction between your first post trying to lay low and avoid saying too much and then subsequently trying hard to rationalise it away when it drew heat. I could be mistaken ofc, but your behaviours so far feel more likely to come from a place of scum than town.In post 232, Uncrowned wrote:Your points are literally contradicting each other now.
There is no case on me. The wagon is crap and the PoE should be the people on it.-
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Don't shade me please. Given that you went from a first post with a naked vote to a short essay for your second post, actually yeah I do think this. I've seen players drop naked votes for first votes before (obvs), but they also tend to be the type to stay on the fringes of the game, not then subequently go to such lengths to defend/rationalise their actionsIn post 237, Uncrowned wrote:How much do you actually believe this?-
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Lol. I didn't delve into this because:In post 238, Uncrowned wrote:
Also very interesting how you entirely ignore this.In post 226, Uncrowned wrote:If you even want to go into iffy self-meta territory, I could argue this as being more town indicative for me, as this is something I've done in several town games during the early game while never having done it in a scum game.
As soon as something pops up that threatens your paper thin reason for voting me, you immediately go in other routes. Doesn't really read like someone who is uninformed to me.
Any actual uninformed person would either do research on the meta or ask for me to show examples of me doing this at the start of my town games.
So Mark is informed AKA scum and at the moment Chkflp is decent partner equity.
Let's elim between there, squad.
a.) as you said yourself self-meta is iffy and the fact that you have brought it up means that you would want me to find it
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b.) as a rule of thumb, I don't trawl through each slot's playing history in search of whether theyve shown a specific behaviour in previous games
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Ok, lets assume you knew what you were doing and it was a deliberately provocative play. This fmpov makes your behaviour feel inconsistent - in your OP you aren't worried about looking town, but you then subsequently come across as caring very much about that, eg in your second and third posts.In post 243, Uncrowned wrote:You're criminally underestimating my self-awareness as both alignments.
I know exactly how I would be perceived for voting like that, especially when it's on Page 4 and not any earlier.-
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But I'm not ignoring the initial evidence - I've explained why it is scum indicative, especially when contrasted to your subsequent play.In post 246, Uncrowned wrote:I'm singling you out because you're the most actively engaged and I would assume the one who most strongly believes I am scum.
You can't talk about "let's work together" and all that LAMISTy stuff while actively and blatantly ignoring the most clear evidence that my initial vote was at best town indicative for me, or at worst completely null in determining my alignment.
As I've kinda already said, I dont see either my wagon or yours leading to an immediate elim, but yeah the volume of reaction from you in contrast to the initial post does strike me as panicing somewhat. You're clearly not newbscum here, but I could see scum in general in your situation being concerned in a general sense about getting too much heat.In post 247, Uncrowned wrote:I wouldn't say I'm worried about how I'm coming off at all. I'm just playing.
Do you really think I'm hitting panic mode after I get a couple votes on me in the early game when in general, as I said about your wagon, these early game wagons usually don't amount to elims? If this was a newbie and I was playing in my first ever scum-game, sure that could be plausible. Here, though? It doesn't make much sense.
Valid pointIn post 248, Uncrowned wrote:Also, being self-aware doesn't necessarily mean you care about how you're perceived. It just means you know or have a sense of how you're going to be perceived for making certain plays/posts.-
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I am trying to sort you - I do want to work together if you are town here, but posts like this when you twist where I'm coming from in a disingenuous way don't really help.In post 252, Uncrowned wrote:The self-awareness bit isn't meant o be a tell of alignment. It's meant to signify that, no, something as basic as early game posting where I naked vote and then make a push on the slot that reacts badly to that vote is something that I
1: Know will generate interest in my slot, both good and bad.
2: Could put me at the forefront of a wagon.
It is well within both alignment ranges for me.
And for Mark, who is trying to put up this pretense as a "hey let's work this out together" kinda guy, failing to understand this or give it any sort of credence goes directly against the character he's trying to portray. The inconsistency is scummy af
The initial post is scumlean, the subsequent defence including the self meta is also scumlean and the two together (low-effort initial post followed by high-effort subsequent self defence and attack on me) don't feel massively consistent. Of course, I could be wrong and your initial post could be a ploy to generate reactions as you suggest - this feels unlikely though given how the follow-up is inconsistent with it.-
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I want to come back to this, because I am keen to work together as a group, but I also feel like you are acting in bad faith towards me, which is putting up a barrier to talking through things. You have continually misrepped me throughout our conversation egIn post 246, Uncrowned wrote:You can't talk about "let's work together" and all that LAMISTy stuff while actively and blatantly ignoring the most clear evidence that my initial vote was at best town indicative for me, or at worst completely null in determining my alignment.
155 - you outright state that I assumed that scum!you would think they could quicklim me, which simply wasn't true. If you'd just asked me to clarify my position, I could have explained this. Instead, you launch an attack on me based on a completely incorrect premise of how I was viewing events.
206 - you claim that I hadn't been providing reasons to SR you, when I had in fact spelled them out at length in the thread.
229 - you imply that I was being inconsistent by not treating you and chkflip the same, when it was pretty clear that both of you naked voted in very different contexts. I think you knew this too.
238 - you try to claim that if I actually was scumhunting you in good faith then I would be looking into your meta, despite the fact that this is not something I generally do, and not something that anyone else in the thread had been doing.
If you were actually town here, I could understand you refuting my points if you thought I was mistaken, but I don't see what motive you would have to repeatedly misrep me and twist the truth like this-
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If you are seeing uncrowned as scummy here and also voting me then are you interpreting me and uncrowned clashing in this thread as scum vs scum?In post 262, Not Known 15 wrote:
I agree, this does not look good.In post 242, Uncrowned wrote:
Oh man I forgot how gross this was.In post 219, cassowary wrote:Dang, L-2. Careful with that wagon, Eugene.
"Hey guys, L-2 watch out watch out but lemme stay on the wagon."
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It was just me and I was a VT.In post 271, Vaxkiller wrote:
I dont remember u in bears, were you in a hydra?In post 203, Marky Mark wrote:I'll drop VAX a cheeky FOS too - lots of posts, but fairly thin on any scrutiny/analysis/reads. Could be posting style tbf, but feels very different to the Bears mini where we played together.
What the hell is a "cheeky" FOS
A cheeky FOS is a bit like a cheeky Nando's but instead of delicious fried chicken you get to be one of my SRs.-
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In post 273, Vaxkiller wrote:
?In post 236, Marky Mark wrote:Still keen to hear back from both Vax and Not Known on the questions I asked them btwIn post 214, Marky Mark wrote:Not the first time you've voted me with minimal explanation Vax (unless your reason is that you think I'm wrong about uncrowned, which you have alluded to).
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If you've brought something up as self-meta then I believe that you have examples for it, but it is of limited usefulness as you have selectively picked it to prove a point. I will let the rest of the town decide whether it's bad faith to SR/vote someone without diving into their meta when they try to use it as a defence.In post 275, Uncrowned wrote:3: It's just very convenient that the one thing that ruins your "reason" for SRing me is what you ignored. If you don't look into meta that much, then fine. Not much either of us can do about that. The fact is though that you're wrong and if you're really concerned about engaging in "good faith" you either would've given this meta some credence or asked me to provide examples, of which you didn't.
I have explained how I feel like you are misrepping me with examples. You disagree, and have argued those points, but its not like I'm throwing around naked accusations here - I've backed up my accusations with specific examples and I'm trying to spell this out in good faith so that the playerbase can see and make their own judgements. I don't think I'm being hypocritical here, but happy to hear from others on this tooIn post 275, Uncrowned wrote:I'm not really interested in engaging with you anymore based on your whole "stop misrepping me" thing. It's getting tiresome. There's a difference between misrepping and having different opinions. I could argue I'm being misrepped as well by the blatant disregard of both my meta, posting style and the fact that you're making assumptions such as "I didn't want to generate so much heat" when anyone who knows me knows I am 100% fine with being thrown into chaos and being forced into these types of interactions. Don't be hypocritical, yeah?
I have played agianst scum before who have pulled the "I'm not interested in engaging with you card" when I was (correctly) pushing them. That doesn't mean that you are scum here because you are saying the same thing ofc, but it is a behaviour that in my experience tends to come from scum.-
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You were way more active/involved than this in the micro we played together where you and ircher were a hydraIn post 259, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I don't exist to scumhunt. I exist to be a terrible quote machine.
I don't think voting you would achieve much here in terms of pressure, but I'd be keen to hear from others if this normal Jake play
I'm happy with my vote where its at, but would also consider a vote on Not Known and/or Vax. I'll wait for their responses to my questions.
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I'm still SRing uncrowned here, although some of his most recent posts have reduced the strength of that SR. That said, we have at least discussed our positions on each other at length, so let's mix this up and try to sort some other slots
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I've asked you a question in 290 - please respond. On the face of it your post seems to be finding me AND uncrowned scummy, which seems contrary to most other players' reaction to our 1v1
I would vote for Jake if I thought it would make him post more content/analysis, but I don't reckon he cares enough. I'm also upgrading myCheekyFOS on Vax toVery Cheeky- I've asked them a question, and would love an answer
I totally get people being busy etc etc, but surely between the 14 of us we can get some discussion going and make it harder for lurkerscum to hide-
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