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[Marky Mark]

Fwiw, my flavour is Sir Don Bradman (famous Cricket batter). I was heavily suspected that I was a miller on account of the 'Don' in my name and the lack of other powers/abilities in a setup where everyone else seems to have one.

[Marky Mark]

Great intro Gamma - thank your

sir

!

Time to

put on

our thinking caps and batter some scum.

VOTE: Jake 1v1 me bro

--pedit: we are so in sync, Mistyx. Townbloc is clearly already forming

Put on = don. Sir Don.

[Marky Mark]

*crickets*

I thought the rest of the playerlist would be itching to get going rn...

*crickets*

Vax and Uncrowned, can you lay a vote please, so that we can see where consensus lies? A vote and a wider poe would be even better.

We are cutting this pretty fine to find a consensus wagon and go through the claim process, especially given the posting frequency of much of the plist

Plus the multiple cricket crumbs

[Marky Mark]

as in your N2 result clears grendel, dunn, cass?

[Marky Mark]

If so, then GRICE/Pookie seem to be mutually cleared, so would mean Flea is hardlocked scum, or you're lying, from my POV

[Marky Mark]

A flea claim here might help clarify where we are at in terms of his ability to kill

[Marky Mark]

I said claim, keep your powder dry until the plist has agreed whether its worth you activating

[Marky Mark]

Cass have some general IRL respect points for the cave story reference. Sorry though, I still think you could well be scum here

[Marky Mark]

Grendel, Dann, me = confirmed killing role

How are either you or Dann confirmed killing roles here?

[Marky Mark]

She said there were 3 killing roles. Grendel | you | cass | GRICE could all be considered killing roles, to varying extents

[Marky Mark]

So I guess 3 of that 4 are conf town as if misty was lying about the 3 killers then that would make her scum anyways

[Marky Mark]

A factional kill doesn't make an individual slot a killer.

[Marky Mark]

Ok so we have

Grendel - confish town from their kills
GRICE | Pookie- mutually cleared from what GRICE saw last night
Cass | Dann - one of the 2 cleared via Mistyx's info that there is 3 killers
Flea - Allegedly has a proveable ability. Could be scum, but why would scum want to skip nights?
Me | mistyx - from other player's POVs nothing to clear us mechanically

So I reckon scum lies in that Cass/Dan bracket, probably cass, as her role might not even count as a killing role

[Marky Mark]

Orthoganel to this, I've checked Gamma's post history and he's been playing in games over the last couple of days. Would be cool to see him check in here, if he has the time. I miss him

[Marky Mark]

Night all, as ever, I've enjoyed your company tonight. RIP Math, if you're reading this.

[Marky Mark]

Just catching up...

its best way to slove cass's slot is if i shoot her tonight?

If she fake then she die. If she real then she redirects the kill elsewhere

This is a bad idea. Cass could well have that ability but not be town-aligned (would make sense with the town killing roles around). Better to elim her. Shooting her would not solve her slot, even if it proved her ability was real.

[Marky Mark]

ok

cass and flea would not count towards the 3

so it's greyice, grendel, and dann - all three are confirmed to be killing roles

This from the mod I presume?

[Marky Mark]

GRICE's role doesn't stop them being scum tbf. A scum who could track town and killl town vigs if they caught them in the act is believeable. Like don't get me wrong I thought GRICE was pretty town d2 but I'm just saying, it's not a forgone conclusion that they are town becasue their ability has been confirmed through them tracking pookie and the killing roles thing

[Marky Mark]

GRICE's role doesn't stop them being scum tbf. A scum who could track town and killl town vigs if they caught them in the act is believeable. Like don't get me wrong I thought GRICE was pretty town d2 but I'm just saying, it's not a forgone conclusion that they are town becasue their ability has been confirmed through them tracking pookie and the killing roles thing

[Marky Mark]

I was way too hasty to conflate roles being confirmed with alignments being confirmed earlier today, I guess the same could be true of Dann too - it could be that he's scum and scum get an extra kill effectively if he guesses right.

Wide scumpool in terms of people who have a feasible mech chance of being scum rn would be Cass/Flea/Misty/GRICE/Dann afaik. Of those, the ones who tried to push grendel D2 are at the top of the scumlist

--pedit yeah I agree that GRICE seemed pretty town yesterday and there are far scummier players in the plist, the point was that I basically had them in my head as conftown as their role had been confirmed, which is clearly not accurate on reflection.

[Marky Mark]

I mean I would genuinely be surprised if the solve isn't within Cass/Dan

[Marky Mark]

I mean I would genuinely be surprised if the solve isn't within Cass/Dan

[Marky Mark]

Tbh as backwards as it is

Marky is the scummiest because he’s the only one still trying to scum hunt lol

I'm intrigued, how are you reaching that conclusion?

[Marky Mark]

Just catching up...

its best way to slove cass's slot is if i shoot her tonight?

If she fake then she die. If she real then she redirects the kill elsewhere

This is a bad idea. Cass could well have that ability but not be town-aligned (would make sense with the town killing roles around). Better to elim her. Shooting her would not solve her slot, even if it proved her ability was real.

If she's a ghoul I would say that would be more inclined to think she's town since a mafia aligned ghoul would mean mafia had two roles both had anti-killing attributes. That seems too strong to me.

Yeah, its not like there are many PRs on the town side

[Marky Mark]

I feel like a night skip probably isn't great here as it would neuter Grendel, who is very likely a town vig

[Marky Mark]

Like we lose a bunch of TPR actions (most importantly GRICE track and grendel vig shot, assuming both are town) in return for the scum getting a NK

[Marky Mark]

Scumhunting today should be fairly easy - pick someone who was pushing grendel d2 and lim them.

[Marky Mark]

I mean I'm voting cass and have explained why they looked opportunisitc towards the end of d2. Come and join me, or tell me why I'm wrong

[Marky Mark]

So that would have been better phrased as "we lose (a bunch of TPR actions in return for the scum getting a NK)"

[Marky Mark]

So to summarize:

Alignment Chart
	MistyX-Town	MistyX-Mafia	MistyX-3rd party
Grendel-Town	Multiple vigs	Mafia tried to save a townie?	????????
Grendel-Scum	Scum-Vig	Scum vig+Gambit?	????????
Grendel-SK	Impossible	Scum trying to save SK?!?	It's one of those games

Well, hmm, this Dannflor claim certainly makes things more interesting.

In that case still where'd the extra kill come from though?

Could

Grendel be scum vig after all?

Maybe this is just me, but I actually don't think something like a one-shot strongman scum vig would be that weird, and scum!Grendel could just sort of be bluffing about having additional shots. Hence Grendel being gung-ho to holster, and could have been just planning on claiming to be blocked on subsequent nights or some such. (If we say 'oh kill jesse' and Grendel goes 'I was blocked, guess it's scum protecting Jesse' this looks pretty good if Jesse is town, or even could be ok as a bus I think)

I don't really have a feel for what's considered within the range of possibility on this site, but something like that scenario doesn't seem too weird to me.

stop waffling

i've been voting grendel for over a week, there is no waffling on who is correct to eliminate here

Maybe there was room for waffling pre-CC but I am surprised people are still so willing to let grendel live. With all due respect, his case is sketchy as heck. Grendel got red-checked, claimed a killing role who hit town, and was CC'd by a town vigilante. What on earth is the argument for leaving him alive??

Even if he's town I still think we get more benefit from eliminating him than leaving him alive. I thought this before the CC and I think that argument is even stronger now.

KISS

Non loyal targeting
A counterclaim

This explains the SR on cass fairly well - these 3 posts are in succession. GRICE explains the grendel situation and possibilities v clearly and cass/titus continue concerted push on grendel straight afterwards

[Marky Mark]

Votecount 2.Final

Titus(6)

~ Flea the Magician(51), MathBlade(189), Grendel(123), GreyICE(79)

, Dannflor, PookyTheMagicalBear

Grendel(1)

~ Titus(41)


Not Voting (4): Marky Mark(72), Mistyx(27), Jesse Pierce(2), cassowary(20)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to flip.

(idk what the numbers man)

Let's come back to this. The VC is actually not 100% correct as I had been voting Pooky at the time. I'd been on titus for most of the day and had switched to pooky to prod him into category claiming his role in line with Math's plan.

The others not on the titus wagon were JP (conf scum) and misty/cass. Misty feels townier to me and cass had been pushing grendel most of D2, so I think the slots got a good chance of being scum.

[Marky Mark]

Thanks flea. Vote count 1.5 I'd particularly interesting with the chkflip scum slot being 6th on the uncrowned wagon. Chkflips voting elsewhere tended to be on town slots so this feels unlikely to be a bus attempt.

The upshot of this is that Dan gets some town points

[Marky Mark]

What stands out to me is that scum seem to be avoiding gathering together too much. If titus had been around from the star she probably would've advised that knowing she'd be pushed for VCA. The main thing for me is do we think Titus was an all town push, and why.

I don't think chlfip's scum play showed massive amounts of complexity (sorry chkflip - fwiw you're still better at scum than me ). Titus wasn't around at that point and I'm inclined to take to their E-2 vote on uncrowned/dann's slot at face value.

[Marky Mark]

What stands out to me is that scum seem to be avoiding gathering together too much. If titus had been around from the star she probably would've advised that knowing she'd be pushed for VCA. The main thing for me is do we think Titus was an all town push, and why.

I don't think chlfip's scum play showed massive amounts of complexity (sorry chkflip - fwiw you're still better at scum than me ). Titus wasn't around at that point and I'm inclined to take to their E-2 vote on uncrowned/dann's slot at face value.

[Marky Mark]

Vote Marky Mark

So this is part of a three game series. You can check this out just about anywhere.

My second UPick, and the third and potentially final game in a series of games tied loosely together by a single narrative, henceforth dubbed the Ordeals of Gamma.

I believe the three games are "Make me regret this" and "The Worst idea mafia" It might also be this game: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75184
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=80515
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77467

Do you want to know what none of those games have in common?

Spoiler: It's a VT

I mean not really much I can say to that - mod X has never used role Y in circumstance Z is a pit of wifom.

[Marky Mark]

I mean not really much I can say to that - mod X has never used role Y in circumstance Z is a pit of wifom.

It is! And we're totally at the stage of the game where I'll kill players based on WIFOM. This isn't LyLo.

It's kinda poopy for you if Gamma did decide to break his own meta here, so sorry in advanced. It's actually kind of an unfair reason to yeet someone in general, but Mafia is a very unfair game and I'm very within the rules. Chivalry is a code, but it's not my code, and I think we've played together before and you know I feel no obligations to be fair.

I decided to check, I didn't see VTs, I feel this is the correct move.

A miselim is a miselim, and you are pushing me for what is fundamentally a flawed reason. People tried to push Grendel yesterday and one of the lines they took was that his flavour lined up well with SK or similar. That turned out to be likely false, and this is just another iteration of that logic.

Also, who the fk fakeclaims VT in role madness lol?

Let's look at this objectively. I pushed Titus for a large slice of d2 and hard defended grendel. Cass pushed grendel for a large slice of d2. Go figure

[Marky Mark]

So we have...

Name	Alignment	Claim	Description
Flea	Unconfirmable	Lavos	1 Shot Night Skipper
Pooky	Likely Town1	Grim Reaper	Visits each death
GreyIce	Likely Town1	Judge Dread	Tracker/Kill Deflector
Cassoweary	Maybe Town2	Ghoul	NK self-redirector/immune
Dannflor	Unconfirmable	Yumeko Jabami	Adrenaline Junkie Bookie Vig
Mistyx	Likely Town3	Jade Harley	Mechanics Oracle/1-shot BP
Grendel	Town/SK3	Grendal/Beowulf	Starving Beast (dies if unable to kill 2 nights running)
Marky Mark	Unconfirmable	Sir Don Bradman	Vanilla Townie...

¹ Circular clear. Visit confirmed on dead body, Pooky lives.
² Setup balance spec.
³ Grendel shot scum, cannot be SK unless Misty is SK/Scum.

Lavos can literally yeet itself into space.

Has potential to hit flying targets

Grim Reaper ignores physics, potential to hit flying targets. Is confirmed to have not killed last night, removed from godkiller pool.
Judge Dread cannot fly, but does have a gun and jet bike.

Has potential to hit flying targets

Ghouls ignore physics.

Has potential to hit flying targets

(DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO CLAIM THE KOP HIT N1?)
Yumeko Jabami, cannot fly - anime BS physics aside.
Jade Harley cannot fly and has no weapons
Grendel while a Decendant of Caine, cannot fly.
Sir Don "The Don" Bradman cannot fly, but apparently had a mean cricket swing at the height of his career and still holds quite a few records.

Has potential to hit flying targets

(tell me I'm wrong, I dare you. I know how hard you have to crack those balls.)

Looking at this. Elim pool neds to be me, GreyICE, Cassoweary and Marky.

I don't believe batter like Sir Don becomes a vanilla townie.

@Flea, I'm reading between the lines that your role interacts with mine in some way but it would be antitown to tell me?

This implies more than VT as well, and I'd want clarification.

Ref clarification, I suspected I was a miller as seemed weird to be straight up VT in a upick, and my flavour literally has 'Don' in the name. You left a cryptic comment that seemed to refer to my role, so I assumed that you had maybe rolecopped me or had some sort of role that interacted with my slot in some way.

[Marky Mark]

(tell me I'm wrong, I dare you. I know how hard you have to crack those balls.)

Best quote of d3 so far

[Marky Mark]

I worry somewhat that our strong position and PR mechanics are stopping people trying to actually scumhunt. There's no such thing as a 'cheap' miselim in mafia - that's a logical fallacy that scum want you to believe (usually voiced along the lines of 'we should flip X for info').

If you're gonna vote then explain why my behaviours make you think that I am scum. Any votes for setup spec or just wanting to flip unconf slots are in line with scum motives fmpov

[Marky Mark]

Like this is how scum claw back into the game when they are behind. Look at the facts. Look at who pushed/defended Grendel yesterday. Look at who pushed/defended Titus yesterday. Make your own conclusions.

Or just take the easy option, flip random unconf slots on thin reasons and roll the dice.

[Marky Mark]

Mistyx has been skulking since Friday btw

[Marky Mark]

Lol well I was VT

[Marky Mark]

And you have all just given the scum a free miselim

[Marky Mark]

Pls try and actually scumhunt on future days - I've given you some points to go off, and look back at today and who pushed me on thin reasons, eg setup spec

[Marky Mark]

Like we literally had 9 days to deadline, the quickhammer here only benefits scum. I would very seriously consider flipping Dann tomorrow

[Marky Mark]

Well the mods are aware, and working out how to deal with my ability being fired.

Mark give me some key points on Dann

Look back at the duelling wagons d1 between me and his slot after I flip VT. It's mainly the quickhammer tho - it's strictly antitown.

If he was town and actually interested in trying to sort me he'd have made a case against me, and we could have debated the points and helped to refine people's reads (admittedly, you could apply this to half the plist rn).

[Marky Mark]

Like if you actually had a reason that you thought I was scum and made a case against me then I would get it but there is some serious town apathy and lack of motivation to scumhunt going on rn

[Marky Mark]

Thanks for the game, hopefully you lot will pull your socks hunt tomorrow and hunt down the remaining scum

[Marky Mark]

Tbh as backwards as it is

Marky is the scummiest because he’s the only one still trying to scum hunt lol

btw this is basically's Dann's only case against me today, so it'd be cool if he actually owned his vote and explained his reasoning preflip

[Marky Mark]

Oh and GRICE, why the fk would scum fakeclaim VT in role madness lol. I enjoyed playing with you tho

[Marky Mark]

so to fill you in on recent occurrences, grice has voted me because gamma would never put a VT in a upick, flea has voted me because Sir Don Bradman would be able to hit flying players so must be scum and then Dann quickhammered me.

[Marky Mark]

yeah idk either :S - good luck

[Marky Mark]

It's cool Dann, and thanks for apologising. I know I shouldn't take things this personally, so I'm sorry if I came across a bit high and mighty

I do think there's a decent chance that you're scum tho, so I would encourage the other players to look very carefully at your slot tomorrow. A quickhammer is never aligned with town motives, after all

[Marky Mark]

I need to work on this whole taking things to heart thing, I just get too invested in these games haha. You've all been a genuine pleasure to play with

[Marky Mark]

lol

[Marky Mark]

That was... an experience haha

Huge shout out to everyone who stuck with the game - this was immensely enjoyable in spite of the high volume of player turnover

Pookie did very well given the game context he found himself in.

I particularly enjoyed being pushed by his predecessor for saying 'please' and 'mate' and being miselimed over claiming VT (I'm not bitter or anything )

[Marky Mark]

Gg

It was soooo hard not to elim Grendel lmao.

I wanna see the scum PT.

The struggle was real haha

[Marky Mark]

I also continue to excel at my ability to roll VT. Its borderline a trust tell at this point

[Marky Mark]

Rip Prince Phillip. Never forget.