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Actually you know what, this sounds about right. Until further notice I will take this as the canon theme song of this movie.In post 20, Save The Dragons wrote:Internal affairs! Internal affairs! Something something something but you're pointing a gun at your friend so be prepared!
Internal affairs! Internal affairs! Something something something there's a city in the background so don't be scared!
i don't really have much to go off of other than the picture at the top so that's probably the best i got-
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I was about to ask why your I had an accent.
Anyways, let me be the first to quickly ask something about the setup since I haven't really played many closed setups before. When I was reading through the rules, I didn't see anything regarding counts of specific factions. Based on your guys' experience, do you think it's possible there may be a neutral wincon role in this setup?-
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Hmm, will keep that in mind. I was a bit curious since the (completed) closed setups I've scrolled through disclosed the possibility of third party from the outset.In post 46, Firebringer wrote:
Could be. Its pooky so i am guessing the chances are slightly negative.....In post 44, Tejate Raichu wrote:I was about to ask why your I had an accent.
Anyways, let me be the first to quickly ask something about the setup since I haven't really played many closed setups before. When I was reading through the rules, I didn't see anything regarding counts of specific factions. Based on your guys' experience, do you think it's possible there may be a neutral wincon role in this setup?
i don't remember him ever playing that much around with neutrals
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This is the most based possible response, and I'm definitely not just saying that because I have no goddamn clue how to play omaha.In post 70, Firebringer wrote:Texas Holdem is the only true poker
UNVOTE: Keeper
VOTE: Firebringer
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I shifted to serious because I was under the assumption that it wasn't RVS. I don't think this sudden switch is actually all that out of character with my meta offsite or on, but you can check over my early ISO of my previous game (Open 842) if you don't believe me. I actually don't think it's even particularly uncommon from my experiences off-site, so I find it interesting that it's pointed out here. Even in this very thread, basically everyone who got here early was goofing around, so I'm not sure that that's just me being unfamiliar with site meta.
88 was pretty much exactly what it said on the tin, I'm fairly confident I've made that exact mistake once or twice. 90 was me being a little confused at the re-vote, I was kind of hoping he'd come back with some reasoning if he was gonna vote me again but if it's still RV then I guess there's no real reason for me to prod at it much further.
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Do you think it's not natural that I'd be interested in the first content related topic this game had at the time of making that post? The fact that it was about me matters little in my eyes. Content is content, and we didn't really have much to discuss up until momo broke the ice.In post 115, Scorpious wrote:In post 104, Tejate Raichu wrote:Admittingly, I am a bit interested to see who would be eager to hop on/steer clear of an early semi-serious wagon on me, and why.
You seem aIn post 105, Tejate Raichu wrote:STD, I'm a bit curious since you are one of the familiar faces in this thread. Is your read on me influenced by meta?littletoo concerned so early of how you are being perceived.
Also, what about 105 gave you that idea, exactly? It's not about me trying to be perceived as town, I'm trying to understand why others (specifically STD) view my slot the way they do, I don't think the question was really unwarranted seeing as we have been in a game together before (though STD replaced out before its conclusion). Furthermore, it's not as if I only asked this of STD because he townread me. I asked Galron and momo to elaborate as well.-
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Honestly, I kinda view that stuff as NAI. When you've played these sorts of games for a while, messing around is pretty effortless as either faction. I'd only really say messing around and being loose is (maybe) AI with really new players, new players often panic at the prospect of rolling red and have a much harder time saying anything that sounds natural, even if it has nothing to do with the game.In post 128, Andante wrote:
That’s not a bad thing!!! I’m town! Feel free to TR meIn post 126, hellbooks wrote:
i feel like im being strongarmed into wanting to townread you from you being likeableIn post 121, Andante wrote:wow… so spicy!! love it tbh!!!
@CSF I mean, it’s not a TR I’d die for, just an early gut read I had, consider it a town lean vs lock town read, and I liked the overall energy coming into the game, felt like Fire wasn’t afraid to post/afraid of appearance, was just having fun, breaking the ice, making it super easy for people to make an entrance. That kind of stuff I generally view as townier rather than as scum behaviors-
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Well, if you don't mind, I'm just gonna make extra sure we don't see sudden lolhammers.
UNVOTE: Firebringer
So far Scorpious is the first slot that has given me enough to consider, I feel like. So far I'm getting more of a confused than a strictly scum vibe, but I'll hold off before solidifying a day 1 read on them. Magik I'm still thinking about since I don't give out free townreads just on activity.-
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Ah, but you don't spend coin health on devil deals anymore. Satan is now excepting spare change.In post 172, The Keeper wrote:
I have 3 health, why in The Name of The Beast would I take a devil deal?In post 12, Tejate Raichu wrote:Neat, I'm actually early to a thread this time. I see some familiar faces in the playerlist.
Anyways, back to more pressing matters: I'm sorry to be the one to say this, but I did see Keeper take a devil deal on basement 2.
VOTE: The Keeper
We're also in Basement 1.
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About three ninety-nine.In post 217, Nero Cain wrote:
how much d u charge?In post 215, Tejate Raichu wrote:give out free townreads
Most of your posts have been related to game content. I don't need to necessarily know your meta or even like said posts to start formulating an opinion off of that. You and Magik are the ones I'm giving the most thought to right now for that reason.In post 218, Scorpious wrote:
Curious to what I’ve “given you enough to consider?In post 215, Tejate Raichu wrote:Well, if you don't mind, I'm just gonna make extra sure we don't see sudden lolhammers.
UNVOTE: Firebringer
So far Scorpious is the first slot that has given me enough to consider, I feel like. So far I'm getting more of a confused than a strictly scum vibe, but I'll hold off before solidifying a day 1 read on them. Magik I'm still thinking about since I don't give out free townreads just on activity.-
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Well, for one, his general attitude is constructive for creating actual game content to discuss.
For two, reading his posts back, I kind of like that he didn't instantly locktown me. Feels like he's considering my slot seriously instead of taking one thing that looks town or extrapolating something that might look scum.-
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I explicitly said I WASN'T hard TRing Magik.In post 270, Nero Cain wrote:prob wrong town hence why TR wants to give you a pass. I'm sure I'm wrong but it just seemed like interesting timing that you said you wouldn't vote Fire and maybe Toog and then TR comes in hard town reading you.
Also, look at Toogs ISO. Like it been a min b4 I played with him and maybe he's normally that fluffy but I'll find that out when I dive a little.-
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@AndanteIf you actually read my posts carefully, I didn't say I was scumreading Scorpious. I said that they give off more of a confused vibe than a raw townvibe/scumvibe, and I want to think more about whether the confusion expressed is more likely to come from scum or town. It feels both you and Nero are reading what you want to read in my posts, rather than what's actually there.
And yes, I do want to give Magik a pass for today. I think it would be silly to elim someone who is actually contributing when an easy scum strategy in this playerlist is just the classic "kill the smart people". I'm saying they're town enough that I don't really want to eliminate them right now unless something major changes in the gamestate.-
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I have to go to dinner, but I'll respond to Nero real quick. For one, while I haven't been here long, I have perused some of the completed games. And I have to say, I agree with the assessment a lot of people have already expressed that this playerlist has a lot of troll-y limbait players in it. Killing off smart town early and letting the limbait limbait would definitely be a good idea for scum.
As for other reads, how about I start with you two? You, I'm not sure on yet. I feel like your perspective is just as likely to come from town as it is to come from scum trying to get an easy mislim.
Andante, their reasoning is already setting off alarm bells in my head. I do not really appreciate this level of straight up ignoring context in order to push a wagon that already has several votes on it.-
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I felt like this should have been fairly obvious, but I guess I need to clarify: unless there is a big change in gamestate or play from Magik, I don't see a reason to go full paranoia mode from the outset. They could certainly be scum, but I am comfortable not worrying about that possibility right now. If Magik is scum, we should have time to figure that out. It's a large theme and a lot of the players haven't posted yet.In post 294, Andante wrote:
Nah I'm pretty sure I read your post, I just find it odd your focus is "I'm giving these people passes cause they had a strong start!" like, the start of the game is super easy for both alignments, I'd even argue there's been no major significantly towny reasons to TR people, so you going "Strong start from Magik! I'm not limming magik for 2 days!!" like, what happens if magik continues just existing? Like, I'm not arguing Magik hasn't had decent lines, but nothing I've seen thus far isn't easy to also do as maf.In post 286, Tejate Raichu wrote:@AndanteIf you actually read my posts carefully, I didn't say I was scumreading Scorpious. I said that they give off more of a confused vibe than a raw townvibe/scumvibe, and I want to think more about whether the confusion expressed is more likely to come from scum or town. It feels both you and Nero are reading what you want to read in my posts, rather than what's actually there.
And yes, I do want to give Magik a pass for today. I think it would be silly to elim someone who is actually contributing when an easy scum strategy in this playerlist is just the classic "kill the smart people". I'm saying they're town enough that I don't really want to eliminate them right now unless something major changes in the gamestate.
Interesting thing to imply that I'm SRing you because you don't TR me. I have absolutely TR'd people that have scumread me, so no this isn't OMGUS. The issue is that I can't see where you are coming from if this is with a town mindset. Your posts do not smell of wrongtown, they smell of scum making their first push of the game on a viable looking wagon.In post 294, Andante wrote:
Alarm bells? cause I don't TR you? lolIn post 289, Tejate Raichu wrote:Andante, their reasoning is already setting off alarm bells in my head. I do not really appreciate this level of straight up ignoring context in order to push a wagon that already has several votes on it.-
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280, feels very much like they're searching for reasons to hop onto my wagon where they don't realistically need that many. As if they're trying to build a strong case against me so they can push me as the main wagon later in the day.
287, subtle shade without actually trying to engage my slot. I don't think asking for thoughts on other players is very unusual or particularly scummy, but the way it's phrased in this post just has some ineffable bad energy about it for me. It feels agenda driven rather than earnest.-
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Actually, thinking it over, maybe it became a bit more effable. This was in response to hellbooks suggesting they wanted to sort Andante. It feels like the purpose of the first bit of 287 was to try and push that thinking more onto my slot. I don't really see much real non-meming Andante/hellbooks interaction outside of this, so it kinda set me off that hellbooks specifically was asked for their opinion on me. By the person hellbooks stated they had intent to sort over others.-
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Not really so much that as pushing me as a main wagon later on in the day by building a foundation early. They definitely are pushing me now.In post 324, MagikHorse wrote:Like, if Andante has an agenda, I don't think "he's saving me to kill later" is it.
Also Andante, you are... definitely not my only voter. Unless I miscounted somewhere or someone unvoted I have 4 votes on me right now. If you meant my only serious voter, I really don't think that's true either? I'm a bit confused by this whole schtick. And I'm not defaulting to calling you maf, I am scumreading you based off of your interactions with my slot so far. I am not really the type to have confident scumreads this early, but my gut right now says that putting pressure on you is not a bad idea. More of a scum-lean.-
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You and Fire both understand what I actually meant, yes.In post 352, MagikHorse wrote:<snippy snippy>
Ignoring Innocent Child roles and other mechanical reasons (e.g. Night 0 cop checks) to confirm a town early, some people can be read really easily by the effort which they push the game from a standstill, or through meta reasoning. Tejate seems to believe that it's far more likely that my attempts to get the ball rolling are from town than scum (assuming I'm reading his posts correctly), and though he's hesitant to townbin me too early in fear of me just being a ridiculously strong scum with an amazing opening (A presumption here, but I have seen this sort of thing turn on people too when an early townread turns out to be more manipulative late) decided I wasn't worth looking into so early. Could be he simply thinks I look town enough for now that he doesn't want to spend his time looking deep into a fairly active poster he believes got a strong town start until there's more evidence? Sems the most likelt scenario in my eyes, seconded only by a scum pocketing attempt.
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It also ignores that Tejate later said that I had to at least maintain some of my current behavior to remain in this state, and that it wasn't going to exclude me from attention should I start to behave more strangely, which kind of leads me to believe that it really is just a fancy "I'll look at you later" line that's being taken far more strictly by you than them.
+1, this is pretty much exactly how I saw them post as town in my newbie. This is very much NAI for them from my perspective.
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I'm not particularly surprised by that, to be honest. Doesn't mean I'm really liking what Frog's pushing so far but it's a fairly common logical error I see people make in this sort of game. Especially when one player is significantly better than most players in a group, I've noticed people get more antsy to toss them directly into a nearby active volcano. Is it a good reason to want to kill Magik? No, not really. Is it something I have seen from town countless times? Yeah.In post 365, Toogeloo wrote:Imagine wanting to eliminate someone because you are scared of their scum game...-
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I'm kind of waiting to see if Frogster has anything more to add. Their case so far seems to just be "I scumread them last game" with no actual substance as to what they're reading into this game or how it even relates to last game. I'm also interested that they're picking me as a potential partner. Is it because I proposed to give them a pass for today, despite the people that actually understood in the thread re-explaining that it was always a conditional thing? Is it because Magik isn't townreading me? I'm not really sure I understand this backwards associative you're drawing between us. Or are they independent reads, in which case why are you jumping on a vanity wagon for Magik instead of joining a wagon with several votes on it already on one of your scumreads?-
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Last game I was in there were a ton of meta arguments thrown around, and I think maybe one or two of them were actually correct. The rest were causing us to TR scum or SR town.In post 385, Toogeloo wrote:
Meta is a generally worthless metric anyways.In post 381, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
no, what they're doing is out of character for them as either alignment based on a quick metacheck.In post 341, Scorpious wrote:and is Toog a normal troll slot?cause it looked liked they started trying then went flat..-
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I won't post a review, but as promised I will let you know whether or not there is an Infernal Affairs musical number when I watch it.In post 417, Firebringer wrote:ty for that info
i don't think ur vote is bad so u got that going for u.
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I play Isaac if you want any help translating.In post 431, MagikHorse wrote:
To be fair I haven't played the game and trying to understand half of what your saying is difficult. The other half is all context clue driven. Still makes it a pain, and I don't want to go through the hasslt of asking what you mean every single time (such as with posts like this one).In post 400, The Keeper wrote:
Imagine getting game over'd just because people are caught in a Curse of Darkness.In post 365, Toogeloo wrote:Imagine wanting to eliminate someone because you are scared of their scum game...
Happens to me far too often.
Too busy reading the gimmick, and not what I'm actually saying usually...
I think they're trying to say here that people are voting them because of uncertainty about their slot than an actual solid read based on what they've posted.-
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Nero, I don't mind gimmicks, but Keeper has really had a lot of nothing posts. Is there any real reason to go to bat for them right now? You're drawing an associative between Fire and Keeper based on the reason for voting, but do you see anything scummy about Fire or town about Keeper individually? Like, at all?-
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I don't think I've ever seen someone respond to a post like this with "no I actually won't give my thoughts". Very bold.In post 453, Nero Cain wrote:nope don't really care to respond
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I'm more curious what on God's beautiful green earth makes you confident enough in Keeper being a limbait townie that Fire is pushing to the point where you're going to bat for them this hard right after Fire pushed them. You can say that you're more scumreading Fire than defending Keeper, but that doesn't really explain the timing being just perfect.-
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Okay, let me restate. Nero voted for Fire at the point of the thread where actual pressure is starting to build on Keeper. Nero then defends Keeper by stating that Keeper intended to essentially active lurk and do nothing productive all game which... doesn't make Fire's reason for voting not valid? And then plays it off by saying they already scumread Fire earlier in the thread.-
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In post 440, Nero Cain wrote:dude, they are a hardclaimed gimmick alt. It's not that they are "hiding" its just this alts gimmick play and those have always been around and you know it. This "overusing gimmicks is a scumtell" is very black and white.
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I admit fault where there is, I really thought I saw you vote and that's my bad for not checking. I wouldn't say this is exactly not a defense, though.In post 451, Nero Cain wrote:So a hardclaimed gimmick alt is overusing thier gimmick after admitting that they'll be mostly gimmick playing. Yeah, not buying this thought procsess.-
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I haven't seen anything overtly scummy, but I'm not committing to a townread. Based on what I do know of their play, I don't think they're the type to really tip their hand this early in the game. I'm going with null for now.In post 472, Nero Cain wrote:is Fire town, TR?-
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Could I ask what in particular you think looks town about these recent posts?In post 477, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Eh I guess Nero is town after all.
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