KTaNE [game over!]

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment

You maybe win against VP (and most likely will), but on next day you are toast.

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Vote dwlee.

Wow, you realised?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Enchant]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

[Enchant]

No really it turns in clasterfuck with 8 experts

[Enchant]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

How to ez win:
1. Force atleast one group of clear town experts on first day. Not really hard, just "refuse" to participate.
2. Make someone you dislike defuser.
3. Explode them.
4. Wow chain of 4 elims+5 blowed up.

And there's literally NO reason to make this ability "Expect for first night" or other shit. It's more easier for this ability to not exist.

[Enchant]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

How to ez win:
1. Force atleast one group of clear town experts on first day. Not really hard, just "refuse" to participate.
2. Make someone you dislike defuser.
3. Explode them.
4. Wow chain of 4 elims+5 blowed up.

And there's literally NO reason to make this ability "Expect for first night" or other shit. It's more easier for this ability to not exist.

Frogsters ability allowed him to manipulate bomb outcomes for town.

That's truth, but Frog ability impossible to use for decimating mafia and it's mostly for saving others and selfprotection.

Ability you just thought are totally unfair.

[Enchant]

Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

Dwlee99 is scum?

You sure?

[Enchant]

I agree on condition,

if

when VP flips town, Dwlee and then Andante dies. First for being scum, second for being liar.

[Enchant]

That's hard to argue.

[Enchant]

It's interesting but...

Spoiler:

I don't have guilty!

[Enchant]

Andante hoping i will hammer VP on occasion?

[Enchant]

Nope.

[Enchant]

Nope.

WOAH.... you have never said no to an e-1 hammer...

This statement is untrue.

[Enchant]

Sorry. I and Andate murdered Titus because i didn’t have time to sort.

Not really, you told titus to place bomb under hat and say reads before dying.

[Enchant]

Never mind that you had more posts than me and Andante combined, so claims like you didn't had time are outrageous.

[Enchant]

Did you scumread Titus?

[Enchant]

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

No, Titus very much wanted you dead in neighborhood chat.
You were her top priority.

Yeah, and added Andante to be dead if you flip scum.

[Enchant]

Me?

Mistix

[Enchant]

final bomb squad is:

experts:

• Bell
  
• Mistyx
  
• GuiltyLion

defuser:

• VP Baltar

the information for the defuser and experts will be going out shortly. night 2 starts now and ends in

(expired on 2022-04-04 20:35:00)

.

Can the expert PT from this night be summarized?

It sucks

[Enchant]

final bomb squads:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking - group 1 bomb experts
catboi - group 1 bomb defuser

Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir - group 2 bomb experts
VP Baltar - group 2 bomb defuser

the information for the defusers and experts will be going out shortly. night 1 starts now, and ends in

(expired on 2022-03-31 21:15:00)

.

Group 2 would also be useful to have summarized

It also sucks

[Enchant]

VOTE: Menal

[Enchant]

The fuck 5 potential protectives on limited NK amount.

[Enchant]

Again, I crumbed it D1, give me a sec and I’ll find the posts

No one cares about your crumbs.

Actions for whole game, now

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

CSF, actions?

[Enchant]

I will if literally anyone outside of {Mena, Misty} asks me to

But i asked even before!
Why the fuck you even hiding this?

[Enchant]

Andante, what point of your fakeclaim?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Mistyx

Punch

[Enchant]

Hello, forgot to warn i will be not avaliable for some time, but here.

What's up?

[Enchant]

I am Jester

[Enchant]

Nono, we’re doing a mass claim rn. You and I are the only ones that haven’t claimed lol.

You dare to accuse me of lying?

Well actually yes, i lying.

I am VT, but actually prepared fancy fakeclaim in case i run up by angry mob.

[Enchant]

Who is Datisi

[Enchant]

enchant, who do you think is the final scum?

Andante and Bell for same reason, they blew Titus who blatant town.

Who is Datisi

Corporate overlord.

I start sympatising GeorgeBailey more.

He didn't put role which can just bomb and chain executions afterwards.

And yes, it makes Frog accident hero. PRAISE HIM.

[Enchant]

Andante and Bell for same reason, they blew Titus who blatant town.

why not me or pooky?

Didn't even considered. I think you die next night for doublekill, so you better aim better lol.
Or don't aim at all? Hmmm.

I can't read Pooky at all, i won't even bother.

[Enchant]

Andante expressed disinterest in defusing the bomb given the risk of Titus being scum.
Titus acknowledged this, then disagreed pointing out that they put VPbaltar into a bad position with a claim.(that I still can’t find). Then said they think the team is just misty and andante (no explanation given at this point).
Andante engaged me with about Mistyx, I expressed worry that Baltar had led us into a miselimination of misty. Just due to the wifom there. Andante responded that they(misty) hadn’t done anything townie.
Andante responded to titus’s pairing of them and Mistyx by laughing and saying they were done talking to them.
Andante starts to engage with the reasoning that they wouldn’t let Titus live especially because they hadn’t really Towned it up in game.

Everybody asked Titus for reads and then Titus said:
Andante because they weren’t really engaging with the core of people’s arguments, lacked curiosity, made things more confusing and not less confusing by entering conversations they were involved in and inflamming the them. They also accused andante of tactically lurking, and losing interest in the game when they weren’t suspected. Titus says that she thinks she is going to die because Andante won’t defuse unless forced to by me and Enchant.

Give it same thought as you did hold up.

[Enchant]

Done.

[Enchant]

Either way, i am not happy that you didn't explode Andante.

[Enchant]

Imo about argument that i didn't hammer VP.

Like it's hard to pretend to being AFK at moment of hammer. I can afford, i am hyperlurker.

[Enchant]

While i drinking tea, i tried to think, why we have so many protectives and why we stuck here overall.

Firstly i really wanted to accuse Menal, because existance with 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard is paradox, as they can protect each other and being impossible to kill (i think). Of course then i remembered that Menal is "Not twice in a row".

Protectives have exactly one point in this game. Hindering town. Yep. You all trash. Datisi setuped this on mafia winning via defuses. Mafia received bonus for being so stacked against typical "kill them all" wincon, and they allowed to carry rigged bomb once.

Point of protectives is hiding amount of kills performed. So you never can be sure, did someone block kill or not.


Let's assume we have All-Town Expert Team d1, which are SANE. Yes i know it's hard to believe but look. Mafia then chooses someone Townie-Townie who town wants to save, they obviously do, but "Bam", he dies anyway. Everyone pissed on everyone, chaos. Town can't possible kill all four too fast. Others fill in Expert Niche, others will be defusers. Of course, mafia will never make previous experts defusers, they make self. And more likely they defuse than not.

It was possible for mafia to win, while town tried to shred in search of day 1 sabotour which never existed in first place.


Of course, this plan failed, because of hilarious reasons, but VP still managed get 2 defuses. When i voted him and suggested to "check" how much defuses we have, it didn't find almost none support. Then VP just takes and blows up Andres for hellwhat reason, blowing his cover, just blows how many defuses mafia have. Of course it was idiotic move, so i supported him, because i didn't expect he really act like that as scum.

I didn't really look back and my memory bad, but did VP also try to vote Mistix? I think yes. All while talking that maybe here is scum role which can blow up bombs anyway, so he and Dwlee99 can be "both" town. It's pretty ridicilous approach as scum, even if Mistix was somehow flipped first.

Who helped VP vote Mistix? I don't really remember and lazy. Also tea ended, idk why i even writed, looks like bullshit. Right now thinking it could be also Dwlee99 in addition.

So i am back to other games, punch @Enchant to summon me, i will come back.

[Enchant]

Mafia also informed.

Now guess about what? About something abnormal. What is abnormal in this game?

[Enchant]

BECAUSE I JUST THINKED ABOUT IT, WHY THE FUCK

[Enchant]

I forgot who was in first group altogether as useless info.

[Enchant]

Oh my fucking god

[Enchant]

Don't make me expert if you suspect me then.

... Idk i ever need protection from bombs, like mafia even targets me.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Mena

This uncomfortable

[Enchant]

Remind me, why Mena even wagoned?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Andante

[Enchant]

What? You thinked i would just say "Well makes sense" and just submit? Where's fun in that.

Nothing lost from pressuring you a bit more.

[Enchant]

what's the case against voting out enchant? they're playing exactly as I would expect scum!enchant to play

Expert speaking.

You ALWAYS scumread me.
In every game.

As town, you just do.
As scum, you pretend you do.


So you are last person mind considered here, atleast by me.

[Enchant]

Andante and enchant dragged me into sparing GL.
It was against my will. :< I’m weak to peer pressure.

Really.

[Enchant]

Oh hey Not_Mafia didn't expect to see you here!

[Enchant]

Let's assume we have All-Town Expert Team d1, which are SANE. Yes i know it's hard to believe but look. Mafia then chooses someone Townie-Townie who town wants to save, they obviously do, but "Bam", he dies anyway. Everyone pissed on everyone, chaos. Town can't possible kill all four too fast. Others fill in Expert Niche, others will be defusers. Of course, mafia will never make previous experts defusers, they make self. And more likely they defuse than not.

It was possible for mafia to win, while town tried to shred in search of day 1 sabotour which never existed in first place.


Of course, this plan failed, because of hilarious reasons, but VP still managed get 2 defuses. When i voted him and suggested to "check" how much defuses we have, it didn't find almost none support. Then VP just takes and blows up Andres for hellwhat reason, blowing his cover, just blows how many defuses mafia have. Of course it was idiotic move, so i supported him, because i didn't expect he really act like that as scum.

Enchant do you remember writing this yesterday about how Andante can't be scum because scum tried to frame Andante with a rigged bomb on N1 ?

I remember.

[Enchant]

Yeah, i realised, it was just lame.

[Enchant]

Bell, why you killed Titus actually?

[Enchant]

Who the fuck you call unstable.

[Enchant]

That's obviously not true. I can understand self well.

Yes Enchant? Yes i do.

[Enchant]

I am lazy as fuck.

VOTE: Pooky

[Enchant]

I think GL heal should be avoided at all cost.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Dwlee99
HEAL: CSF

[Enchant]

I think GL heal should be avoided at all cost.

Why?

It merits nothing.

There's no need to protect GL from being defuser. There's now 2 defusers and thus blowing him up is death sentence. More over being defuser protects from being killed directly.

There's risk GL ends up in expert team with scum, who will simple blow up any person they want, NK GL and then claim it was GL decision to blow up, regardless of what GL really thinked.

[Enchant]

Because game will end after your lim?

Winkwinkwinkwink

[Enchant]

We can undirectly control who will be defuser.

[Enchant]

Wdm

[Enchant]

Um, look 7 ppl ok.

6 people. GL protected automatically, because scum need to sacrifice killing conftown to make him defuser.
We can make another two people unaffected by being defuser. If these people also town, then likelyhood scum will run around thinking should he make self defuser or someone else.

[Enchant]

Depends if scum makes it in expert team and will able to blow up.

[Enchant]

Depends if scum makes it in expert team and will able to blow up.

the last scum is a switcher so pretty sure they can just switch themselves into the team even if they dont get voted in

Ah yes, i remembered that Datisi is a bastard mod.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

Hey look i need to iron my kitten

[Enchant]

Let's do like all senseble people and just sheep conftown decision.

[Enchant]

I don't think

Probably clear statement here, rest of message is not relevant.

[Enchant]

In PT i was asked who i want kill, i answered "Pooky".
When asked why i suspect Pooky, i answered "I don't".


My mind doesh't really change.

[Enchant]

Then why you need to be in expert team?

[Enchant]

BUT IT WAS MY IDEA.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Enchant]

I am not good at reading Enchant because Enchant doesn't really care and it's very hard for me to read intentionality of people who don't care.

Like even now he is saying he wants to eliminate me but he doesn't suspect me.??

that's just how he plays the game because he has a policy of not caring very much.

I guess I would like to be more like him and care less.

It's not that i don't care, problem is i don't know.

I mostly want to listen to ded Manal. My picks are usually wrong. So basically, we punching as well as random.

[Enchant]

yeah.. it's not csf, we cleared GL... like, who all is even left for options then? me/enchant/dwlee? well scum is making me defuser tonight and probably just killing GL?

it's just enchant yeah? VOTE: Enchant

Just wondering, if that's not me, who it is for you?

[Enchant]

I strongly feel it is one of Pooky/Enchant/Bell

No shit sherlock.

[Enchant]

I think Pooky plays on our fears.

Like i know i am easy to miselim, but i obviously not going down so easily.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Pooky

Free Hammer Opportonity!


FHO.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Pooky

Free Hammer Opportonity!


FHO.

So what happens after Pooky flips town then? you don't sound confident in this flipping scum

Depends on who will be defuser and exploded as well.

I really idk, can we just yolo?

[Enchant]

Andante.

Punch Pooky.

Do it.

Punch Bear.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

I use my secret Tech then!

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

How reading Mistix role PM feeled like.




I still consider it unfair.

Either way, i want to choke Andante. But practical part of me tells exact reasons why you townread her, she was probably caught in framing game on first day.

Who is then? Bell? Dwlee? Bruh. I more likely to point at Pooky, really.

[Enchant]

SHE PLAINLY ANNOYING.

[Enchant]

Dwlee99 could potentially still be scum if VP is designated bus.

It pairs well with insanity of choice to blow up Andre (then there was two mafs in expert team). Of course, one maf going down, but other looks incredible good from it. Counterpoint of this theory is how idiotic it was. Like, i would expect SvS to be more agressive, not "UH I THINK WE ARE BOTH TOWN".

[Enchant]

There was also swap night n1?

[Enchant]

And there was 5 experts on catboi defuser?

[Enchant]

I forgot all game. Nice.

[Enchant]

I'm so confused on the greeting kill tbh, like, what... lets lim mistyx!!!

YOU KNOW WHAT FINE FINE

LET'S KILL TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON INSTEAD OF 1/2-3 CHANCE TO KILL REAL MAF

YES IT WILL WORK.

HELL YES!

I think CSF called this out already but ++town Enchant

forgot Andante was kinda lowkey pushing misty after Andres blew up...

You know it was sarcasm right?

[Enchant]

I think Mistix flip after VP thinks "I THINK WE BOTH TOWN FOR SOME REASON" are reason to punch VP instead anyway.

So even if we somehow flipped Mistix, it would't matter for me personally. Well maybe i regained my senses and stopped pushing Dwlee99 i quess.

[Enchant]

Yeah, i am yawning as well.

Like, just do it.

JUST.

DO IT.

YES WE CAN.

[Enchant]

Okay tbh best argument for Pooky!town is that scum Pooky can't know to not night kill in the hopes GL blows up. This assumes that scum don't have some kind of wire tap role into the hoods, however.

They didn't knew it regardless, i literally stated what i will do in last minutes.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Bell

W I L D

[Enchant]

I will be honest, i can't consider Pooky in serious manner with this avatar

[Enchant]

Pooky flipped maf. Then we went to celebrating and ggs.

Then i wake up. Dreaming huh?

[Enchant]

[Enchant]

Congrats to the town for winning! [esp Mena, Bell, GLion, CSF, Catboi, Dwlee for being amazing]

bruh