Datisi's Café [game over!]

[petapan]

do do do do do do-do do

VOTE: klick

[petapan]

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

appreciate the thought but i was actually probably going to take it easy day 1 myself out of a desire to not have to try to herd cats


if something catches my eye maybe i'll hold the shop hostage to get my way but otherwise will be sitting back sipping a coffee in the corner yknow

but if you wanna try to hold back feel free to chat with me anytime and i'll try to make this not suck

[petapan]

VOTE: Ircher

do do do do do do-do do

[petapan]

let's fucking go i'm back baby

VOTE: Ausuka

town

[petapan]

let's fucking go i'm back baby

VOTE: Ausuka

town

you wouldn't by any chance be trying to flatter me would you, peta? you know I love being called town you sly devil

yes absolutely what are you going to do about it

[petapan]

nero is having fun and i for one respect it

[petapan]

VOTE: RCE

I am sitting in the morning
At the diner on the corner

[petapan]

You

[petapan]

I just gained 2 reads.

can't believe our scum theater was that obvious

[petapan]

VOTE: Titus

I am waiting at the counter
For the man to pour the coffee

[petapan]

WHATEVER

the town ones are mastina klick at minimum

you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

rce and ausuka fill in the blanks

Yeah you're close, Petapan and Ausuka are the bakas.

imagine believing this

[petapan]

standard ratio would be 16:5 and i wouldn't assume higher given the potential extra kills from the mechanic

[petapan]

yo S_S where's your wagon analysis you got asked for it earlier

this setup talk is almost as worthless as (some) of my posting geez

this is the expected play from him and i do actually think it's useful in this case. he'll get a lot of free townreads from it and will also probably insist it's not actually town-indicative for him

[petapan]

titus is definitely on the verge of joining best doggos alongside myself and RC

disagree

[petapan]

welcome back peta

join me in the crusade against ircher

looks like you have enough votes as it is for now

ive been reading some old games and i haven't found a scum game where i feel it in the same way (often more... down to business) so maybe it's just something that happens sometimes but not always

i could totally play this way as scum

i mean, i wouldn't, but i could

[petapan]

VOTE: Titus

[petapan]

the accusation of someone being frozen for not posting within a 19 hour window is pretty lulzy


this isn't fucking mafia universe and i'm grateful for that


(this is not implying a read on ircher ftr)

[petapan]

Deal.

VOTE: petapan

[petapan]

On an unrelated note, I declare Titus and klick as Town Enough For Day 1 after reading 141.

*blinking*

[petapan]

good vibes:

penguinpower
furtiveglance
lukewarm
uncrowned
something_smart
ydrasse
malakittens
nero cain (for dumb reasons)
rce
fireisredsir
klick

no vibes:

bbt
andres
jjh
ircher
mastina
roden

(historically terrible at reading the last two so don't know if i will have a good idea anytime soon


bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

[petapan]

From the last 4ish pages, Titus +Town and PP +town. Everyone choosing to engage and re-engage the 4 scum/5 scum discussion tanking. Also hate the Titus vote timings. (As in the votes on Titus not the slot of Titus voting.)

i think titus is howling about as hard as someone can for less than 24 hours into day 1 but you do you

[petapan]

my understanding is you have experience with uncrowned, is your feeling there based on knowing them?

i am not feeling the good vibes

i don't want to overstate it because it was one game really and spectating some others but yeah

list is shaped as vibes without elaboration or grouping other than light ordering because early not high confidence level could be wrong but enough out there to state feelings

From the last 4ish pages, Titus +Town and PP +town. Everyone choosing to engage and re-engage the 4 scum/5 scum discussion tanking. Also hate the Titus vote timings. (As in the votes on Titus not the slot of Titus voting.)

i think titus is howling about as hard as someone can for less than 24 hours into day 1 but you do you

That doesn’t make Titus scum though. Unless they really really need this ircher elim to go through. Which they don’t…even as scum.

not what i meant but not worth getting into with you at this point in time

[petapan]

titus calling me town from vca IS pretty weird

someone will leap to titus's defense sayin she's weird as town which is generally true but kind of evades the task of actually evaluating her

i just don't buy a post like 221

[petapan]

I like that Titus calls some posts town straight up, it's town indicative I think.

the reasoning being deployed in the early game here is w i l d

[petapan]

i just don't buy a post like 221

go on

she's trying to set up two players as containing scum between them for highly suspect reasons, which is a maneuver i've seen her use before as scum. it doesn't really make a lot of sense that the supposed "slip" gets brought up to save s_s from pressure because it's not like could plan on ircher making a post like that and pushing it strategically so it's kind of ridiculous. but she's also been calling ircher frozen lock scum so if she thinks he's scum why should that possibly mean anything for s_s?

and i get that feeling with most of titus's posts, just "i don't believe this is real"


(i also think s_s is probably the townies he can get for day 1 of a game. i know that kind of contradicts a post i made earlier and i don't care)

How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.

VOTE: petapan

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

lol

where am i flailing

[petapan]

I think I agree with Penguin 100% here about set up balances. Feels kinda weird, I'm usually neutral at best with him.

while most of my reads are weak vibes i'd already bet the game on penguin being town

[petapan]

WHY IS MY FUCKING BLASTER NOT WORKING!?!

lmfao

[petapan]

I just got triggered by seeing that list while out.

you got triggered by seeing your name in a list of scumreads without explanation posted within 24 hours of the game opening? and why are the other names "reasonable" people?

[petapan]

it doesn't really make a lot of sense that the supposed "slip" gets brought up to save s_s from pressure because it's not like could plan on ircher making a post like that and pushing it strategically so it's kind of ridiculous

I understand your point here but the post was made and made very early into the game at that so couldn't it still be used? or am i missing something?

i mean just the idea that it was being brought up strategically to take pressure off a buddy, i really don't buy that being a thing someone (even titus) actually thinks about. stuff like that almost always gets found organically.


anyway don't want to spam so likely stepping back for a bit again. trying to limit my own output for the early game at least

who has experience playing with Mr vivax

i mean technically i have one game on MU but it was a large novelty game so not applicable to this one in a useful way

[petapan]

the last time i pumped the brakes on an early day 1 ircher wagon he was scum who escaped to get a night action


and his posts when he came back were kind of bad tbh

[petapan]

let me rephrase: the people on your wagon

do you think she should care? have you looked at those votes?

[petapan]

from like, a fear of being elimmed perspective? no.

from a "there's probably at least one scum on here" yeah I think so?

granted the activity level of the entire wagon is low but i doubt it's just all town chillin on there

i think andre is good out of them, everyone else im null to SLing on

the first 4 votes are essentially rvs (andres had a reason but was very early) and nero's is a naked one


those votes can be seen as essentially random and given the number of players in the game that's a 20% chance of all town (if we generously assume 5 scum ). not really worth reading into given the lack of much stated reasoning



in other news if ircher is scum luke is lock town, haven't retraced other stuff to see who i'd clear if he's red

[petapan]

Why have I moved so far down?

[petapan]

Peta I initially had the same feelings as you about Titus but decided I wasn't confident that her 221 was AI
I decided that I could easily be reading lawyer-posting constructing an argument on unconvincing logic as a scumtell
I'm interested in hearing more about why you scumread the post and how confident you feel in the read

it's really a body of work type of thing where i found quite a few of her posts to be scummy sounding but i wasn't interested in expanding on it because i have resolved to take it easy and because going full blown scumcase this early often just means conf biasing yourself. wanted to play it low key and let thins flow naturally rather than trying to wrestle the thread over a gutread, yknow?


that being said her refrain of "it's not a slip but ircher is frozen obvscum!!" gets

really

weird if ircher is scum, imo

[petapan]

they're not bad nulls tbh

[petapan]

i understood and enjoyed it ftr

[petapan]

tbh i think it would be funny to just finish off ircher right now but i don't

quite

want to end day 1 just yet - want to hear from a few of the people who only posted during rvs now that there's more content


but i think we can probably hit send by page 30 and make this a compact enjoyable game

[petapan]

bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

I am playing differently from my normal playstyle in this game and that is intentional

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

Why do you think titus/me/you isn't a real scumread list people can have

I believe it, honestly

Peta is maybe town but also slippery so going to stay paranoid there

hey it's a vibes list not a reads list

maybe a warm take but of the people who haven't posted since rvs group i think andres was the most scummy

he should be fairly readable when he posts more don't feel the urgency to make a call there right away

[petapan]

isn't bad vibes just scumreads

i'm playing semantics but my intention wit using "vibes" rather than "reads" was to emphasize that these are mostly loose instinctual feelings rather than reasoned conclusions i feel strongly about because hey it's really early

I've gone from scumreading to townreading this player.

Early vote hopping with strange poetry was just different from Newbie 2101

, but since then they've put out some substantial reads. They also seem not to be S/S with Ircher (yes a pre-flip associative. Tell me 485 and 502 are paired). The read on Titus seems genuine, although I don't agree.

lol you're precious for so many reasons

^I thought these were the kind of 'main characters' lately, let me know who else you want me to feature!

Heartbroken.

Spoiler:

Relegated to a supporting role

you're the one who chose a fluffy mascot character as an avatar, seems like you cosigned yourself to that role

[petapan]

I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

[petapan]

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

to touch on this more, if that's the case and theoretically scum!vivax is close to a ML, why do you think he jumps to vote you for that reads list you did or whatever and then switch back to Ircher? i feel like scum would be a little wearier of moving around votes like that, especially for reasons that may seem 'inadequate' to the other players

unless you're suggesting they're both scum in this scenario?

i'm working from the assumption ircher is scum who came back to the thread, saw the massive wagon on him, and probably went into antispew, yes, that's why i said i'm okay with him getting hammered soon

i could explain it more or i could tell you to ctrl + F ircher in vivax's iso and see for yourself

[petapan]

Scum:
Vivax
Ircher
furtiveglance
Malakittens

elaborate on furtive?

We should either hammer Ircher or move on imo
I'm interested in pursuing an RCEnigma vote but I don't want to dampen the Ircher wagon for something that might not happen

i just want to hear from bbt (and andres, if he's still playing this game) again otherwise i'm good to go

[petapan]

VOTE: Ircher

pagetop

[petapan]

gg everyone


very strong town performance imo, there were a lot of people who played great. a few missteps but they were pretty forgivable in the grand scheme of things

in particular i thought luke was great, contrary to my dead thread whining mastina had fire and furtive nailed, and of course ydrasse stole the show on day 3. i'm sure others were great too i just wasn't paying a ton of attention after i died lol

ydrasse should probably get a moment of brilliance nom for that gambit, i really think it helped change the course of the game because titus is extremely good at shoving an agenda through as scum

[petapan]

I think the mafia extra kill thing might need to be tweaked a bit, since mafia never had 2 kills in a night which was meant to balance the town power. But I liked the flavour, mechanics were fun and different.

i think part of that was town PRs simply not understanding the assignment, i certainly didn't lmao - i didn't try to submit productivity until night 1 (although i wasn't going to submit enough for an investigation anyway. i figured there was a chance i'd die n1 and i was right)


i thought it was a great and creative mechanic that gave the town players an interesting risk/reward decision to make. it might have been less interesting for the VTs but i thought it was neat how the mechanic made them be more important since they were a bulwark against scum getting extra kills

i think on the scum side of things they probably got a bit hosed trying to come up with productivity numbers for their fakeclaims, though? i think ircher and fire would have still been caught regardless but them claiming productivity values that seemed out of line with what other players had certainly didn't help them. i think if a mechanic like this were ever to be used in the future it would help if scum had suggested productivity numbers for claims available to them

[petapan]

they had flavor but as they had no abilities they had to invent productivity numbers on their own, this resulted in ircher and fireisredsir claiming numbers that did not match the strength of their abilities relative to what the town had claimed


(hilariously, i thought fire was scum because reddit moderator seemed like a bullshit flavor to me)