HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Eiralox]

I smell mutiny.

[Eiralox]

Let us trust in the heart of the cards

[Eiralox]

The cards bode ill this day. As I bravely peel another potato it occurs to me that these dangerous glances of late, these impromptu rat and flea hunts, are not plain sailing. Pentacles, tentacles... the krakken. Now today there's talk of throwing folk overboard... grim times. Bilous odours simmering under noses... surely this talk of a black spot is just that? But the things I've seen give me pause.

VOTE: No Elimination

[Eiralox]

You wanting me in the drink rat merely proves the card heart speaks true and today is ill-omened. You gold grubber, just want more of the tack for yeeself I inkle.

[Eiralox]

If this dark witchery is real, as you most stonily aver to any gull or barnacle that'll lend an ear, methinks it's better we be sure bout the traitors, take our time to class 'em out and be wise about it.

And don't go talking about me loyalties just cos I like me grog. What I do here I do for us all, yes even that parrot which took me nose. We might not all be friends here but I know the cap'n is a friend to us all, even them who don't deserve it.

[Eiralox]

I stand where I'm at, I'm not going to go tossing loyal sailors to the plesiosaurs on the first whiff of mutiny, cos with the cards being what they are that's a right risk we run. I don't think a mutey is gonna come strolling in all golden-grinned and dagger-swaying, them's the types that come in the night-like.

I want 'em off our boat same as you, but I'm not keen on doing it hasty-wise. A kanker is delicately cut, excised, I ain't one for ripping the whole arm off.

[Eiralox]

You are the one speaking oddly, murderous jester.


I am well, murderous jester.

Titus, if I ken rightly you're saying Dragons wanting to drown me could be to distract from Wayward? I'll let that cook.

Wayward Son, who don't you trust?

[Eiralox]

Hmm, suppose you're right. Let's give it a go then.

I haven't read your tarot reading in-depth yet but it looks +town on a quick skim. Thank you for posting it and I will read it again soon.

Why do you think the tarot thing is +town?

I`d like to ken this from Wayward as well.

[Eiralox]

Way-hay and up she rises

[Eiralox]

I want to know how people respond to my vote so I won't explain just yet what I saw

Why say this?

[Eiralox]

Fenrir, won't responses be more tailored now if what you see is correct? Not drawing attention gleans purer results. Would a mutineer say this though?

I have naught else to say for the while.

[Eiralox]

Why do you think scum would blatantly target an activite slot like that

I'm not calling you scum, I just don't think it's a good vote

What makes Bellaphant a better vote?

[Eiralox]

If you think elements is crew, what about Titus?

[Eiralox]

Sunny

[Eiralox]

Why does mutineer Killing Joke throw themselves into such heavy spume?

Fenrir never had anything solid on Joker and Harley, though I'd admit to them feeling off to me early as well. But I'm becoming more convinced Killing Joke is loyal.

Are they right?

I don't know yet.

But I understand where they're coming from, I've felt the same shivers on me skin regarding a few folk.

Yet I vacillate.....ever. There is a feeling that Fenrir can be crew, still. I have nothing more meaningful to add for now.

I wonder why Mala is voting Bellaphant other thans the stated reason, and I'd love to hear from Passenger, Enchant and BlueBloodedToffee.

[Eiralox]

And Andres.

[Eiralox]

I think there's four points of concern I'll raise while I'm on deck. Not much by themselves but I've let some things stew for a while and now's a good a time as any.

[Eiralox]

Titus, if I ken rightly you're saying Dragons wanting to drown me could be to distract from Wayward? I'll let that cook.

Correct but it could be wagons for wagons sake. Just something I have flagged as possibly determining later.

I said I'll let this cook. Coming back, I'm ignoring the matter of Fenrir. I ken this is a possibility you are entertaining, but for this to work either I am crew, and thus Fenrir distracts from Wayward the mutineer, or both me and Wayward are muteys with Fenrir.

I got the feel that you were entertaining me as town here, and as you have not voiced anything else pertinent to myself, I just keep circling back to this. I'm open to the possibility that this a mutineer who knew I was crew, regardless of what Wayward and Fenrir are. But I'm also very aware that I can be reading too much into what is innocent crew-aiding palaver. This isn't something I'll stick to a wall but I wanna voice it I guess.

Let us trust in the heart of the cards

Town locked

Ugh.... I have to ask why.

@Killing Joke: Your use of #133 has been prominent in the onset of Fenrir-questioning. Why such certainty? Why can't I be a mutineer, having set up Fenrir in that scenario? I'm getting trust, or the verbal facsimile at least, from two sources. Yours is the third most I'd say, not really having questioned my slot and taking the exchange of and prior to #133 at face value. Therefore I get the feeling, as I have to a lesser extent with Titus, that you believe me crew. I might be working under a misapprehension, but generally anyone feeling certain on me early needs to be examined. This is one of the reasons I won't fully trust you, for the nonce.

@Save the Dragons: I'm not sure how I feel about you leaning town on me. One part of me spirit says it's fake the other part says I just don't know ye. That's all.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Bella

I’m ok with this vote for now.
I don’t really feel like Bella is sorting. I also don’t really find a lot of her posts memorable. I also dislike some of the posts she made.

See, I'd like to know more bout this.

Why should posts be memorable this early?

Out of Enchant, BlueBloodedToffee and others, why specifically is Bellaphant the one chosen for not sorting?

Basically, can you at least share which posts you dislike and why?

[Eiralox]

Std, what makes you think anyone is fine just town binning the slot?

This post is good.

ote="In post 166, Bellaphant"]^ this is all fine from ws. I'm not sure what specifically it was in the games I read, tbf a lot of the newbie games are awkward.[/quote]

This post pinged a gong, but that's cos I'm not sure on Wayward yet and have been seeing many folk saying them's crew of late. regardless, I can definitely see this coming from town, and surely entails an element of sorting?

Just as Bellpahant's comparison between Rat and I is sorting?

I have no ken on what Bellpahant is. I'm leaning to crew but too early to trust.

So I'm not sure I'm seeing it Mala? Unless you got another angle of looking.

[Eiralox]

ugh

[Eiralox]

Hmmmmmm Mala you seem crewey thus far tho. So I would like to hear more on why Bella but for now not my main concern.

[Eiralox]

Flea the Magician and Elements using the same line of argument against Killing Joke does concern me for the nonce.

Ugh.

Killing Joke calls Dragons/Flea/Elements, Flea and Elements say: Why are you scumreading so many people, wayward and all the others?

The problem with Killing Joke's picks for probably '1 scum here' is that those were pretty inactive slots which I always note, but that can totally be crew sorting. And I got the impression that Killing Joke was feeling better on Wayward as they sprang down the rabbit hole.

Nothing is set in stone right now, but I must note a sensed some form of deflection.

If Killing Joke is crew this matters. Killing Joke saying: I'm noticing a pattern between these three players, and two of those players saying: Why is Killing Joke considering scum in so many places? Look at all these lists!

Why shouldn't a crew member be looking for scum in many places? It's clear that KJ's main focus was the triad of Dragons, Elements, and Flea, so going "But why are you saying scum can be in these places as well?" is pretty jarring.

That said, I do now and again get the undercurrent that Killing Joke is very sure about certain slots, and that might be a worrying sign of a mutineer, even to the point where maybe Fenrir is crew and one or both of Flea and Elements are mutineers with killing Joke, with this all being a charade to push an innocent sailor overboard. We'll see.

[Eiralox]

Why is killing Joke scum for scumhunting?

Even if they're wrong, I've been seeing some weird takes on them. A few people basically voting for them either cos they're... solving? or cos I guess their tone doesn't gel well.

Regardless of KJ's true loyalties, what I'm seeing is them saying they found scum on the one side, seemingly believing and sticking with their point with definite progression.

From the other side I mostly see: 'So wrong' 'How can you' 'And wow why u sus so many ppl'.

Now.... My mind's nowhere set. But it's weird that so few people are willing to actively discuss the possibility of Dragons/Elements/Flea with KJ, and how, in a sense, Dragons, Elements, and Flea are ranged against KJ, and don't really seem to be mistrusting of each other? Or focused on a threat? I can expand on my feelings but I won't, for now.

As I said, KJ can be wrong. It's just weird, them being scum for it. I know there's way more that's been said but this is the main vibe I've got.

[Eiralox]

Mostly I want to know why, it seems to me, fae don't think Elements and Save the Dragons are mutineers? Because Killing Joke is pushing them? That's the impression I get. I'm not sure what makes Killing Joke more scum than Elements or Save the Dragons, I'm not sure what they are, but fae not considering that Killing Joke can be two thirds right, just because killing joke has included fae as a potential, I'm trying to understand.

[Eiralox]

At this point you guys are bloating the thread. Please settle down or talk about other people if you must. I'm sure there's plenty of material we can use to read you. The more you post the less we will have the drive to do so; please concede the last word.

So this means you're some way to sorting these folk you want to stop talking?

[Eiralox]

Where you at Passenger?

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Eiralox]

I'm be polishing the plank.

[Eiralox]

Fenrir, can you speak about Titus, Toffee, Mala and Dan?

[Eiralox]

the rest of this game will be all about getting you n1ed and making sure nobody will understand early game enough to vote them out.

There's talk of a black spit.

[Eiralox]

Spot. At times me spit is black so that ain't as strange.

[Eiralox]

gimli is probably scum

Why?

Hey! If I start trusting you, will that be a mistake?

[Eiralox]

BluebloodedToffee, can crew Joker not also be using buttering-up language to get a point across?

I'm not sure attempts at appeasement equate to mutiny in the general sense.

That being said, as there are so many vile characters voting Fenrir, where does Wayward Son fit in?

[Eiralox]

I think many people voting Save The Dragons feel the same thing, have noticed the same patterns.

I'm not too sure yet. But enough to keep my vote just here.

[Eiralox]

Gimli, what makes Flea the Magician worse than Passenger?

[Eiralox]

Your Eria comments amuse me, you say when is an opening post scummy but I offer when is an opening post worthy of a conftown read as a rebuttal. You can absolutely have alignment indicative openers and several people have been caught on them before. The no-elim is post 27ish, page two and still in RVS so if you're reading something into that other than RVS I'd love to know what you're seeing there.

What amuses me is that Elements locktowned me on my second post and here fae are talking to Erynis, who did no such thing.
I asked Elements why later, no response.

Save the Dragons 'scumread' and 'townread' on me.... so retroactive. Elements had the guts to locktown me from the get go at least, which sent my suspicion to the clouds but hey. Save the Dragons later coming in with the 'Eira's first post, which consisted of three words and was third post of the game, was scummy, but now they seem town' just reeks like 'Hey Eira I know you suspect me a bit so here's some sweetmeats to nibble on, look the other way love, right?'

Not happening.

Very funny that I said "I smell mutiny" just after Fenrir posted. So that's scummy? Which means STD thinks I meant it to mean them(I didn't, just wasn't feeling very creative at three in the morning so said whatever)? Why even think that of post three, where does that come from? Guilty conscience? And only later, after Fenrir might have sensed my wariness of them, did they come in with "Yes Eira was scummy, but now seems crew"(Don't kill me, being the unspoken subtext)

Before that there was no utility for them to form a read on me. After suspicions mounted, there was.

Erynis is noting something very simple here, and my first post was so basic that Erynis is right. It's interesting, what faer saying here and that fae feels the need to respond to so minor a point at all.

Erynis: How can you form an early scumread like that?

Flea: Uh early tells totally exist(Ignoring nature of my statement and utter brute simplicity of three words), and why is Eira's No Elim indicative of something? (Erynis said it's NAI! Why are fae twisting what Erynis said? NAI means 'not reading into it', yes?)

I've felt Titus, Flea, Toffee, and Gimli and KJ to an extent, try to save Fenrir. Not saying those folk are scum but saying at this point I don't think I can change my vote anymore. If I'm wrong and misread you Fenrir, so be it.

But there's way too many indications that we struck gold.


Elements and Save the Dragons were the first to verbally townread me. Elements is yet to expand, in any way. Fenrir has done well, treating me as town and being attentive to my questioning. But their scumread and then subsequent townread were far too premature and definitely has the feel of aiding their agenda more than sorting crew. I know myself and anyone that also knows me so early knows too much.

[Eiralox]

I didn't really mean to imply I thought you were town if I did I would have put you green

but first, this vote:

VOTE: Eiralox

was 90% this post

I smell mutiny.

it just seems like a scummy opening. then to continue with more fluff and then try to vote no elim just seemed off. HOWEVER since interacting with the slot

i think the slot is town

. so i'm happy to have moved my vote.

[Eiralox]

I'll argue with you if you get serious and sink your teeth into the meat of what I'm saying. Responding to more of the above is just gonna make more chaos, and right now I see little need for that.

[Eiralox]

*yawns*

More words I'm not responding too. Your temporal grip seems to be loosely defined, it's very clear we're talking about early you and not new, shiny you. Trying to frame it as if what I'm saying has anything at all to do with what you've recently been saying about me is classic deflection.

You knew that I suspected you to some extent or another, after Killing Joke started giving you flak, you did the retroactive "Oh my earlier rvs vote meant this but anyway this player is now town" just after.

I know you want to drive this into some dramatic nonsense or some such, but what I said is very simple and I don't see myself engaging with you until you stop dancing around what matters.

You never said anything bout me in RVS, just later is it convenient to say 'Yeah was scum, now town'. It served your agenda.

I don't talk in circles.

I'll see what others think before touching this again.

[Eiralox]

I made a list like a page ago

Why do you think I still think you're town if I put you at null more recently

I quote 187 in your face and you're still brazen enough to say this?


After reading the Erynis/Flea post?


I'm thinking the fishies be hungry.

[Eiralox]

I don't trust Rat. But that's small fry right now.

[Eiralox]

Gimli can very much be a mutey as rat says. But in a Dragons mutey world? Dragons/Gimli liklier than Dragons/KJ.

[Eiralox]

But after what Fenrir just did I just don't care anymore. Theory spouting can come after the flip.

[Eiralox]

Gumlis head is almost where mine is judging by many if their reads.

I just dont fully like their initial inclusion of flea and later switch to passenger. Could be artificial and agenda-driven

[Eiralox]

More words I'm not responding too. Your temporal grip seems to be loosely defined, it's very clear we're talking about early you and not new, shiny you. Trying to frame it as if what I'm saying has anything at all to do with what you've recently been saying about me is classic deflection.

then clearly i'm confused by your post. maybe it's on me, i dunno. help a wolfy out next time

I'm saying, and said, that your initial, two-in-one 'mutineer but crew' read on me was fake, and served your agenda. Don't think my language could have been clearer.

Dodging this makes you look better, yes?

I had to look up whether jester is bastard. I've been having that paranoia bout you but it seems that's unlikely now.

You just want to survive.

[Eiralox]

Given interactions between KJ and StD, are you actually sure on that?

Not seriously. But given I've heard someone once say, "Why so serious?" it's on the table, like anything else this early.

Personally at the moment I'm tempted to look at the people who are misinterpreting StD wilfully as I think our odds are better there.

Not sure if this is aimed at me or not?

Don't you think Fenrir's read of me, the first one, was off?

[Eiralox]

Ok. It is not fake. It was a gut read based on little info. Next question

I don't have one. Not for now. Thank you for answering at least, I guess.

If you want to discuss what I've already said in more depth, that would be dandy.

If not, that's your prerogative.

It's time for me scuff.

[Eiralox]

*Don't fae think in #728

[Eiralox]

I've also already stated that I think I need to die to get towns head on straight so I'm not sure what "you just want to survive" is supposed to mean

I'm just not getting the feel you are hunting mutineers, really. Instead scrambling for safety. But that's all from me for now. Me belly needs filling.

[Eiralox]

I would recommend reading the thread I've done lots of hunting

Disagree.

Second time I see you telling me 'read the thread'. Amusing.

I'm done with these absurdities. I know what I feel, my vote is good, and talking to you has gotten me nowhere closer to believing you have been approaching this from a crew mentality at any point.

[Eiralox]

You seem to be missing the fact it has a temporality to it. It has to do with having those reads so early.

This was my exact point regarding you, prompted by the post where Flea addressed Erynis. My point was that Elements having me at locktown, and you pivoting to 'I think this is town' right after Killing Joke susses your behavior after I questioned you and Elements, were premature reads. Mutineers knowing too much. Your response, after I near had to drag it from you, is that it's gut read. The only reads you really want to expand upon were those on you. You shift reads as it conveniences you. Where you 'scumhunt', you hunt because you smell weakness or oppurtunity. There are so many slots that you purposefully ignore giving concrete analysis on that it's laughable. The avoidance is clearly to make sorting harder once/if you flip, but if you flip a mutineer I don't see us crew having a hard time sorting the scum at all.

You're not even trying eiralox

No, I'm done trying. I know when someone is trying to be slippery for their own gain. I know when someone glances over the main issues, the issues that will help me determine where there loyalties are. Your reads have been very shallow. Easy. Malleable.

I'm done trying. Address what I said of late, or don't.

It's best that I go back to how I've been going before, and that's shut up and read. In regard to you, at least.

[Eiralox]

Eira could be scum.

This Fenrir wagon feels bad.

Care to expand?

Who am I scum with?

Why isn't Fenrir a mutineer?

Are you a mutineer?

Who's the five most likely people on Fenrir right now to be scum?

[Eiralox]

I like your list of five.

[Eiralox]

Fenrir isn't scum because push is bad and has gained significant traction.

Why push bad? Never push good? Good push never traction?

Plus, even if he is scum, given his post volume compared to say, Passenger, he'll be much easier to find and elim later in the game.

Why passenger scum? Why must obvious scum not be killed? Are there thing such as, say, mutineer doctors? making one mutineer more valuable to save?

If town, I think Fenrir could prove himself to be a useful player in the game and I think he should be afforded the opportunity to do this.

I don't think I can say anything about this. I like them from what we've interacted but the indications that they are scum are just. so. many. And you gloss over them, making vapid statements.

I'm taking a break.

[Eiralox]

Like until tomorrow. Need a clearer head here.

[Eiralox]

That was my instinct. But you've been acting so weird.

[Eiralox]

Ask me again I don't know what to answer for that I havent

I don't think I have the energy to approach the colossal amount of dirt I can throw at you. I've said, basically, what I wanted. As I said earlier, approach that, or don't. I don't see myself unvoting right now.

Hope the wind treats you all fair.

[Eiralox]

That was my instinct. But you've been acting so weird.

What have I done that's weird?

A lot. The main pivot regarding you and dragons for me is the avoidance of many topics and themes, the urge to change and mold the narrative. Many other stuff.

I've said I need to step back so yeah.

[Eiralox]

Me: Can you please rephrase so I can answer your questions
You: you've got a lot of unanswered questions!
Me: I don't think you're trying
You: scum
Me: sigh

You: I don't want to quote and address what you're implying in full so let's keep talking chaotically in circles.
Me: Why do you keep avoiding these specific players?
You: Easier questions! rephrase them.
Me: No.
You: Haha you're not trying.

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Right now it can be something like:

Save the Dragons/Elements/Passenger??/BlueBloodedToffee??/Flea the Magician??/Titus??/Radical rat??

At the hardest push I'd say there's at least 1 scum in Elements/STD, but right now they're not really trying that hard to suspect each other so I'm confident in them both being red at least for the nonce. Their partners are a bit harder of a take for me right now. I'm not even gonna try.
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Just examples really to show where my head's at.

Patterns are patterns and feels are feels, I can be wrong but meh. Fenrir, I'm serious. If you really want me to read you right if you are crew, stop asking me to keep asking you questions and actually show me that you're crew. Tell me about the players you hesitate forming reads on. Actually help the crew in sorting. Take the broad view. Or just give me more theater.

Have a good night.

[Eiralox]

1.07

Votecount 1.07

Save The Dragons (4):

Killing Joke, Wayward Son, ActionDan, HighPrincessErinys.

HighPrincessErinys (3):

Passenger, Save The Dragons, Enchant.

Killing Joke (2):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

BlueBloodedToffee (1):

Titus.

Enchant (1):

Elements.

Andresvmb (1):

Malakittens.

Elements (1):

Bellaphant.

No Elimination (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (2):

Andresvmb, BlueBloodedToffee.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.
  
• My avatar looks so weird without a hat considering getting a pirate hat

VOTE: High Princess Energy

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Haven't seen Eira's vote yet but as I said earlier, you have come into the game with the absolute safest reads possible and just hopped onto the leading wagon.

Meant to address this earlier but forgot. Teams such as STD/Elements/BBT/Titus and STD/Elements/Btt/FTM feature in my mind. But as I said earlier, I'm wary of theorycrafting too much right now. Fenrir, Passenger might be town here. You really haven't convinced me. We'll see.

[Eiralox]

Why do you keep avoiding these specific players?

Which players am I avoiding

I'm done talking.

To me it has been very clear.

[Eiralox]

Anyone can see for themselves.

How limited your scope has been.

This vote needs to go through.

[Eiralox]

Std is 'scummy' for reasons around tone and 'theatre'.

They don't care about who the mutineers are.

They haven't looked at all people with a suspicious lens, their targets and reads happen to align to what's expedient at the moment, and what can make their survival easier instead of what can make the crew triumph over adversity. They know who the crew is and who the mutineers are and they've been trying to obfuscate that fact through narrative ever since Killing Joke first started attacking them.

I can write walls but I'm said I'm done talking.

The wagon is static: wayward and Dan's vote has been there six days.

Why are their votes bad if they stick with them?
Why address the votes and their timing and not the content, their reasoning?
If you believe, truly believe you've found scum, would you change your vote?

I see a lot of appeal to emotion and comments on gamestate in defense of Fenrir of late. I see very little analysis in regards to Fenrir's actual motives and actions.

I said I'm done talking.

[Eiralox]

Killing Joke's narrative is driven by scumhunting.

Fenrir's is driven by keeping their self and team intact.

Killing Joke's narrative is blunt and direct.

Fenrir's is subtle, situational, meant to change the gamestate instead of aimed at finding scum.

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I've been wrong many, many times this early.
I've never voted out scum on any Day One, as I recall.
Now I've never been more certain.

If Fenrir is green I'll feel dumb. But damn I just don't feel that?

[Eiralox]

They haven't looked at all people with a suspicious lens, their targets and reads happen to align to what's expedient at the moment,

that's why i went after people like Killing Joke and HPE

oops

Yes.

No.

Killing joke your reasons were pretty much 'tone'.

Erynis was one of the expedient wagons scum planned to launch on to save you. I'm more and more of the belief that passenger is the other compromise.

That's all moot. You ever misdirect. The entire point is that you kept your reads safe, never approached certain players in your suspicions and generally act as if you know who's who, and plan around that.

We'll see if your current tactics of dodging past the main issues, of being eloquent enough not to seem vague to some while using the simplest tricks in the book coupled with charismatic appeals to empathy will be enough to save you.

[Eiralox]

Talk about Passenger being town

P.S I miss the pirate talk. Please reply in role. Thanks.

Eiralox has has made it clear 'e be on board wit' gettin' Passenger off board as well

Now you lie, I recently averred the opposite. That being scum have set up passenger.

I said, some time ago that passenger can be scum, but never expanded on that.
I have had some recent doubts about my takes, but I am still very much not changing my vote. I did recently consider doing just that though, and unvoting Fenrir as well. But knowing myself I decided not to. I've just seen too much weird things. From many corners. Me liking Fenrir almost won over what patterns I've noticed over the span of days thus far.

Recalling your past, I am amused by your hyper focus on basically only three people over a substantial period of time: Killing Joke, Gimli, Eiralox to a lesser extent. There are brief exchanges with others, then before that the focus on Erynis and Eiralox, defending Dragons early but not vehemently, while definitely casting aspersions all the while Killing Joke was grinding their axe.

This makes your compromise plankings, that being me, Gimli, and Killing Joke, the four people actively against Fenrir of late, a very interesting pairing indeed, considering that you don't seem too suspicious of those others on Passenger.

The alternative to you trying to save mutineer Fenrir/Passenger (Both or either) is, in fact, both of them being crew, and this is you setting up those three exact four slots over a period, expecting such flips. This might be liklier in a world where Fenrir is crew, and Passenger not. That's why for now I'm more inclined to believe this could be a dug-in planned defense rather than a set-up.

By tone and intent you could very much be crew. By what I said above, and how you felt to me later on, you can be a vile mutineer all the way. In the start you felt good, I wanted folk to question me and only you really did. Later you felt strange, disconnected. Only now, upon recall, do I notice this hyper-focus of yours.

Only looking into certain corners. Being blind to certain folk. Exactly what tipped the hat to me on Fenrir.

I'm not sure about you rat.


But you certainly intrigue me.

[Eiralox]

This is a game losing mistake you are making switching to passenger who is obviously the goon. Dragons fought to save his slot with every manipulative trick in the book literlly. I'm not watching this town lose because dragons gets to survive to use his scum PR at night and then everyone tinfoils "OMG DRAGONS WAS COUNTERWAGON TO PASSENGER" when anyone who can read these slots can tell this was an S v S cross between a PR and a goon

Suddenly I don't believe your tone?

This can be fake.

Both can be town.



But a part of me did think both can be scum, I've already noted after Toffee's strange response to me that saving a mutineer with skills is generally good for the mutineers.

Some current part of me has the feels that Passenger can in fact be town.


But this above.......


I don't know. I'm pissed that some folk ain't seeing it with Fenrir, but I'm trying to explain.

This just feels strange to me. If you're a mutineer and both are crew what I've just heard really scares me.

I'll sit on it. For hours. I need to reassemble, Fenrir's olive branch is really grooving up my head and I'm starting to doubt my path which is always the worst.

The above didn't help oh my Erebus it didn't.

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE:

[Eiralox]

We have some insifht into Dragons role and reason to believe he has an ability that scum are desperate to use tonight. That's why Passenger is basically sacrificimg his slot and didn't vote Dragons back and Titus voted Dragons only after it looked like Passenger was going through. Dragons is legit a scum PR and we don't want to hard claim but there is a reason he lie and flail in the thread all day like a magikarp caught on a super rod. Kill Dragons first before you kill the other three (maybe four) and don'tmake us hard claim just because you are afraid of Dragons obvious AtE.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... g&usqp=CAU

Ok this makes me feel better. Sort of?


The mania puts me off, not going to lie.

But..... Ugh.


I need time to reassemble I think I'm jellified.

Do I believe what I've always believed?

I need to chill a bit.

[Eiralox]

I can swallow that for now : )

[Eiralox]

I think the scum are 5: Dragons/Elements/Passenger/Titus/Radical Rats
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I thought about there being five very recently. The above? Might not be. But I'm open to there being five mutineers, if I've felt it it's possible maybe.

I need to wait a bit on the other things you're saying though.

[Eiralox]

Gimli did.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Passenger
Starting to second guess an StD elim today.

Very interesting.


What about what Killing Joke said?

[Eiralox]

[

In StD's case I also think shit like Eiralox and HPE's "misinterpretations" look deliberate, like they don't actually care what's being said and just need excuses to push the elimination through.

This is just horrible. When does a read, a take become a misinterpretation and when not? How do you know we misrepresent, how do you even know what Dragons is? Harely has a point.

Why don't I care about what I say? Do you even listen?

I've had reasons and intent with my vote from the start.

Of course what I'm doing is deliberate. I'm hunting scum. But how. Is. That. A. Misinterpretation without you knowing Fenrir's alignment?

Are you even? What I have are interpretations. You can anaylyze the actual things I've said, but you don't, and never have. Likely because you're not hunting scum here but trying to save scum. Thus this sudden pivot.

I'm starting to think what i said earlier gels better. Your exact behavior right now, this sudden spurt of interest after setting things up for a long time.....

I don't know about you right now, I never have but right now you're feeling very very bad to me.

Which is bad because by tone you still feel sincere. But by actions I suddenly expect you way more.... and a few posts ago I thought I was getting you all wrong!

[Eiralox]

I'm willing to vote Elements.

At this point I'm just going to write Passenger off as crew and call it a day.

[Eiralox]

Must Dragons die Elements?

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE: Save the Dragons

I'm going to smoke. Then I'll decide whether this'll be my vote before I go to sleep.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Eiralox]

Scamming is bad Enchant.

[Eiralox]

Don't do scam

[Eiralox]

I really think Passenger might be town and just doesn't find Fenrir to be scummy.

[Eiralox]

*That scummy

[Eiralox]

If so, probably a loyal sailor.

[Eiralox]

I have some minor issues with Joker's words but overall blegh. I'm running on sunk costs here. Even if I'm wrong at this point I'm too far gone to turn back.

I'm be in me cabin.

[Eiralox]

Hm.

[Eiralox]

Hmmm.

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE:

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Hmmm.

[Eiralox]

We're cursed, all of us, doomed and damned and destined for the depths!

We mad beasts!

Repent, let us repent! Oh hear our woe oh winds! Save us from this perfidy! Save us!

[Eiralox]

VOTE: ActionDan

[Eiralox]

If you say so.

[Eiralox]

Why are you asking me questions?

Why are you town, Eiralox?

I'm a pirate. Why the asking?

[Eiralox]

Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

Do you think Eira ruffled feathers on D1? That's not the impression I got.

Amusing, your blind eye on Elements and Titus.

Curious even.

Killing Joke, Eira, Gimli and Erynis is such an easy thing to say at this point that, if you're a mutineer, you're not even trying.

You haven't factored in the passenger death here. As a mutineer..... meaning most of your friends were on passenger.

But as crew it might mean you still hold to your old emotional ways. Might mean you concluded that those four the dirtiest and just haven't factored in Passenger's death yet.

Yet you were hidden yesterday, and not to be trusted yet, in my estimation.


We'll see.

[Eiralox]

Why are you asking me questions?

Why are you town, Eiralox?

I'm a pirate. Why the asking?

your posting looks less meaty than a man that's been devoured by piranhas

Bite me!

[Eiralox]

Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

Do you think Eira ruffled feathers on D1? That's not the impression I got.

Amusing, your blind eye on Elements and Titus.

Curious even.

Killing Joke, Eira, Gimli and Erynis is such an easy thing to say at this point that, if you're a mutineer, you're not even trying.

You haven't factored in the passenger death here. As a mutineer..... meaning most of your friends were on passenger.

But as crew it might mean you still hold to your old emotional ways. Might mean you concluded that those four the dirtiest and just haven't factored in Passenger's death yet.

Yet you were hidden yesterday, and not to be trusted yet, in my estimation.


We'll see.

I'm not defending Killing Joke, Gimli or Erynis, Toffee, I just find it strange that the sudden narrative being 'all them on dragons sus' when those selfsame people making those accusations know who Passenger turned out to be.

A narrowness in suspicion at this point merits suspcioucness.

But with how recent Passenger's passing has been this might be good for my take on you Toffee, mayhap, because of the clumsiness that this list will have for a mutineer, who would like to have bread buttered both sides? Theater exists though.

What with ActionDan having the same theme of Passenger blindness....

No real conclusions here.

---------------------------
Eh I'll respond properly to what you've said in the interim
-------------------

Eira, I've liked Elements posting.

Fair they just haven't felt right to me at any point so that's where my mind's at.

Do you have something to show me to make me think otherwise?

They feel wrong. Pretty much it. See 'Potato'.

Titus has been lurky, sure, let's see what Today brings.

Sure

Can you explain why those 4 people I have said I'm interested in is 'easy'? I wanted KJ yesterday but nobody seemed interested (one of the reasons I liked Elements posting from D1)

More in terms of pattern and blatantness, and them all being heavily tied in with Fenrir. You told me you want to save Fenrir to give them more of a chance than silent Passenger. Even now that sentence haunts me and I'm not yet sure whether it comes from mutineer or crew toffee.

Killing Joke might very well be an easy push today. Me and the other two, eh? Be sure that I very much suspect everyone at this point.

I don't need to factor in the Passenger death. What does that have to do with anything?

So: You suspect four people who were on Fenrir. Turns out, competing wagon also crew! Just strange to me that you don't come out saying that, at least, you're not happy with someone who also was on passenger(Excluding Erynis) And Elements being all over the place? Voting both like blitz?

I understand why Passenger died. Both wagons being town again points to scum having good thread presence/influence.

Yeah I was talking less bout why they got done in and more about how that influences your view on things.

(RR being off both wagons makes me a little uneasy, especially given their reasoning for town reading Passenger)

Must say I had the same instinct. But I disagree with your framing here, I'll have to see what's so strange. Passenger felt more crew in me gut than Fenrir did. *Never mind you addressed this. Radical Rat being focused on Gimli, Killing Joke and I while not really being on Passenger in retrospect might be weirder, but as Fenrir was crew that's alos better in my mind at this point for Rat.


I'm aware why Gimli/Killing Joke (And ActionDan, who you ignore) might be suspicious. I'm aware how wrong they, and I, was. But so were you? Reach at this point is a very nebulous word and I'd be interested to see more. But I like you talking yto me like this and that always makes me paranoid. Which I've had enough of.

[Eiralox]

(And ActionDan, who you ignore)

Correction: You opined on them, I just would personally include Killing Joke/Gimli/Action Dan as the folk who most aligned with me regarding Fenrir. So yeah.

[Eiralox]

[

Eira, I've liked Elements posting.

Fair they just haven't felt right to me at any point so that's where my mind's at.

As I was so cosmically wrong on Fenrir I'm willing to be open though, at least on most of ya'll.

[Eiralox]

Sorry, as well as Kj. They sifted weird role related reasons std was scum and walked them back and like, no one challenged. So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

P-edit I'm not sure about eira. I feel both flea and kj were narrative forming yesterday

I very much know that there has to be at least one mutineer in Flea/Joke/Elements. I'm just not sure who or how to approach that yet, but here I am saying it anyway.

[Eiralox]

Alright, so a D2 scum read on Elements with literally 0 reasons than feel? That's what I'm seeing?

Pretty much, coupled with lack of actual hunting from where I'm at. I can say more but I'm tired of my own voice.

There is a big difference between the content produced by Fenrir to sort him and the content produced by Passenger. One of those was a much easier town read to find and it wasn't Passenger.

Again I can waste an entire week explaining how I got Fenrir wrong, and how I felt Passenger was crew and deserved to be saved. This explanation will be so lengthy and ramblingly personal

Spoiler:

that all I'll say is I really believed they were a mutey, and certain factors led to me voting them over passenger, at the last moment hesitating when Elements voted, and before that hesitating when Killing Joke came in, I felt Killing Joke's tone was completely fake and said both could be town. Then I again believed Dragons to be scum, and finally decided to plonk down my vote urged on ............... morning............... already this shite? I'm out.

I do not discount scum being on any one confirmed crew member. I am not yet sure about you. I might like this outrage.

[Eiralox]

Elements i think you're getting fussed over a playstyle difference but you're not sring me. You could be a partner of kj soft defending them but I think you're just town enraptured by their content

i don't know that you're scum i'm just voting you right now because i think it's the most likely option but if you want to

prove

me wrong you can

try

@STD I really really hate both of these posts, we hadn’t really posted that much, especially me, prior to you posting 137.

Tell mr why I should tr 194: You say that if we PROVE we’re town, you’ll TRY to tr us. How is that a townie thought process?

If we proved it, then why would you need to even try? Of course since we’re not IC, you can of course claim for whatever reason we haven’t but it’s the if we could prove it, then you would try.

I’m now really worried about Flea because for faer, paranoia on me is absolutely townie for faer but not seeing how I’m bleeding obviously town here, is extremely concerning and makes me now wonder if Joker is right because I don’t believe there’s a world where town!Flea completely ignores MY posts like that. Even if faer thinks Joker lookd scummy - that’s his typical towngame. Metadive him whomever’s town. But fae should absolutely know that this is my obvtown meta here.

~Harley

I'm not a fan of this notably
I recall from townstumps one of scum!Nancy's fallbacks when accused is meta
VOTE: Killing Joke

VOTE: Gamma

This doesn’t work on me.

Would not be surprised here if Gamma’s scum. Gamma knows that I default auto sr anyonr who I don’t understand their suspicions on me.

I understand that people are suss on Joker but no one who actually knows his meta ought to be. You can vote us out but we are going to flip town.

~H

Why this suspicion on Wayward Gamma?

Is ActionDan better?

[Eiralox]

Eira, are you going to acknowledge that what you said about my scum reads is false?

No.

KJ/Eira/Gimli/HPE

That's probably where I want to look today.

I was going off this initially.

them all being heavily tied in with Fenrir.

I said this.


I don't do circles.

[Eiralox]

@Killing Joke: So after being so wrong on both Passenger and Fenrir, the best path you now suggest is kill Gamma? Didn't Wayward seem very, very like a loyal and true member of our here little accursed crew?

Nancy, given what we have in this game so far, I'm flabbergasted that that's your choice of vote.

It's so weak.

AAAAAAh!
Hmmm Ok.

[Eiralox]

They're not all heavily tied in with Fenrir?

Whale manure, circle-talker.

Erynis, the Hunted. Joker, the Hunter. Eiralox, the Fool. Gimli, the Stranger.

[Eiralox]

Black Spot.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Elements

[Eiralox]

VOTE: ActionDan

Eh.

[Eiralox]

I am poisoned. I will die.

Not good?

[Eiralox]

It's pretty clear one of us crew killed Passenger. Why ignore Enchant?

[Eiralox]

Maybe

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Killing Joke

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Elements

[Eiralox]

We’re VT. Joker was trying to bait the nk.

Probable. But rehearsable.

[Eiralox]

Titus alignment might be with Joke. Claim aiding Elements outing and Joke save. Undecided.

Elements felt worse before.

Vote stays.

Have a good time.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: ActionDan

[Eiralox]

Damn.

KJ look real bad and Eira still won't vote them.

Don't goad me. Not gonna work.

[Eiralox]

...As for Fenrir and Passenger. This one is starting to heavily question KJ, and Joker in particular, and how much of a help they really are to the crew when both of their suspects turned out to be good and true crewmen...

They also suspected Titus and Elements.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: HighPrincessErynis

Good for now. Look at Dan and BBT. Hope to hear from others. G'night.

[Eiralox]

Mutiny.

[Eiralox]

I misunderstood the setup. I obviously don’t want to know anymore, duh.

~H

I need to know how you don't seem to know about the black spot if Joker acted like something they weren't?

The entire pivot of Joker's plan, from a crew perspective, is to be cursed by the blaggards' dark magic? To let the muteys waste their efforts on lesser crew? Confirming yourself as crew, making hunting muteys easier.

Like it's possible but honestly strange.

Another factor: Joker saying there are five mutineers. I had my own reasons to suspect this, but now with ya'll claiming yer a Loyal Sailor, the 'there's five mutineers' needs to be explained.

[Eiralox]

got quotes wrong quoting Killing Joke

[Eiralox]

that's kind of obvious? yeah.

[Eiralox]

No answer?

VOTE: Killing Joke

[Eiralox]

Answer me.

[Eiralox]

I misunderstood the setup. I obviously don’t want to know anymore, duh.

~H

I need to know how you don't seem to know about the black spot if Joker acted like something they weren't?

The entire pivot of Joker's plan, from a crew perspective, is to be cursed by the blaggards' dark magic? To let the muteys waste their efforts on lesser crew? Confirming yourself as crew, making hunting muteys easier.

Like it's possible but honestly strange.

Another factor: Joker saying there are five mutineers. I had my own reasons to suspect this, but now with ya'll claiming yer a Loyal Sailor, the 'there's five mutineers' needs to be explained.

[Eiralox]

I very much still think you are crew.Which worries me. I am very wrong at times.


I still want an answer.

[Eiralox]

Joker's plan was tied around black spot. Why don't you know?

[Eiralox]

I don't like your answer. I still feel you are being sincere.I'll sort this out with Eira.

VOTE: Elements

[Eiralox]

Joker writing the next Kama Sutra Expendium Homo Sapiensus Encyclopedicum makes sense to me. You not knowing about the black spot in between that?


Eh.Weird but taht's this voyage maybe.

[Eiralox]

wut

Wotcher?

[Eiralox]

After killing Fenrir, I have to. Everyone does innit? Just don't mention it, they don't.

[Eiralox]

Mutineers in Elements. Radical rat, Erynis, Flea, Blue, Dan, maybe maybe Gamma? Not really?

Them's where my feels at. Mala is AWOL. I don't like.

I'd be happy with a Dan push. Cos. But HPE and Elements, engage or die, basically.

I'm tired trying to be human. I'm a fucking pirate.

[Eiralox]

Gamma seems good. Gimli seems good. Killing Joke seems good even though they defragged as fuck.

Toffee might seem good but I'm not yet the trusting type.

Dan?

Elements. you're scum.

Erynis, you might be, Convince me you're not?

Flea, talk. I want to hear from fae.

Enchant? Crew. Yes? I think.

[Eiralox]

This silence, and I'm sure no one mentioned it, meaning I might be solitary in this supposition, but this silence points to both Erynis and Elements. Killing Joke? Mad. I don't like what they've done, Joker I mean. I swallowed their psyche whole and came out worse. But they still fell crew. But not? Solve.

I know Erynis and Elements are scummy. But stop prevaricating and saving your own skin as a supposed loyal crew and show us hwere the other muteys are.

[Eiralox]

Yeah I think the Black Spot bluff is a townChant move
Also I don’t think “maybe maybe scum” aligns with prior mentions of me
You presumed I was town in a weird spot imo earlier today

I like your style!

[Eiralox]

@Killing Joke: So after being so wrong on both Passenger and Fenrir, the best path you now suggest is kill Gamma? Didn't Wayward seem very, very like a loyal and true member of our here little accursed crew?

Nancy, given what we have in this game so far, I'm flabbergasted that that's your choice of vote.

It's so weak.

AAAAAAh!
Hmmm Ok.

This is what I mean ftr
I don’t think Wayward was that towny from what I read when I replaced. So this came off as a whiteknight.

Wayward felt very weird weird at start(I Just love Fenrir saying 'Carry On' when I wanted to say that same thing regarding Wayward, recently introduced to that phonetic masterpiece. SO I reLLY LOVED Fenrir for that reference and really hate myself for not trusting someone who was right one me and extending peace.

Anyway.

You(wayward) scummy at first.

I asked questions.

Then: Wayward is lost crew. Me feeling the same about Gamma after magical sailor transplantation?

You feel good Gamma. I like what you've said, especially the part about you suspecting me, where I killed Fenrir for felling good on me?

So yeah. Eira is a bastard slacking ship ghost, nothing of note to them. But you not liking me makes me like you, just as I like Wayward for liking me but was para about Fenrir? Elements never really liked me or acted like I was town, let's get that down. Fenrir did.



So.


I killed them.


Who should walk the plank here Emerald?

[Eiralox]

Elements?

[Eiralox]

Also I think the way you’ve engaged with me feels somewhat towny, Eira. Notably, you have a sort of self-awareness scum don’t tend to exhibit.

Could be faked, by someone I guess, I'd say trust me but y'know don't trust me. I just think mutineers are not being on the level and hiding atm, some of them I'd guess.

[Eiralox]

Elements?

I think she’s best left alone for the day phase. She should resolve on her own.

Ugh.


Ok.




Like I can take that but for me...............


ugh.

VOTE: HighPrincessErynis


? Maybe.

[Eiralox]

If Erynis is a mutineer, Emerald is crew. That's it.


No way this is theater.

Note even to save Elements or Joke, that would be too blatant.

[Eiralox]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DIsssssooooonance!!!!!!!!!!

[Eiralox]

What I do?

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Elements

yeah, Mayhap.


Explain why Erynis is a mutey, if you can?

[Eiralox]

Also not sure where you're getting me/Elements as scumbuddies considering this one's been doubting and scumreading her for a good while.

Who, do you think, if you can provide two monikers for the fumbling public, are mutineers?

[Eiralox]

This one? Thou? I guess, pronunciation-wise

[Eiralox]

Oh, It, as I was known in time past. Eh.



If it can give me some down low scoops on who the muteys are I'll love it.

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE:

I am, so to say, mesmerized.

[Eiralox]

Would love that. Above seems cool, I just presume you're not thinking Joke and Elements are on the same team?

While such tactics exist I don't see the utility for them doing it, unless Elements is the mutineer the mutineers decided is worth discarding, the cold bastards.

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE: Elements


You've been very very weird Elements.



This might be me giving you a last chance?

Don't listen to me.

[Eiralox]

KJ/Elements as a team is pretty shit looking yeah but their actual play both has me thinking. There is at least 1 scum between the two of them, for sure.

Well I earlier said I know there's one scum in Flea/Elements/Joke.

But beyond them, you suspect no one else? Or everyone?

[Eiralox]

Hmmmm. Ok. I really, really need to hear and feel more from you Erynis.

VOTE: Elements

Still one chance left.

[Eiralox]

From it

[Eiralox]

Im not saying I find it weird, it just seems ineffective

Erynis is ghost so I don't see bella being ineffective here.

[Eiralox]

So. Elements.




Who.

Do you.

Think are the mutineers?

[Eiralox]

Well. I mean.


Kind of limited scope?

[Eiralox]

Elemenys, after Killing Fenrir I can dig that from crew.

I just don't think you're crew.

You still have that one chance tough so eh.

Maybe I'm limited.

Maybe not.

[Eiralox]

Why be sure about Mala, in any way?

[Eiralox]

Claims Day 1: Mala, Joker.

target Joker, only see scum in Joker.

Elements gives no indication where other mutineers might even be.

Am I being obtrusive? No.

I just don't trust this.

[Eiralox]

Uhhhhhhhhhh.............

What has Mala done?

Why is Elements town for this?


I think I need to know.

[Eiralox]

Because. Not trusting this.

[Eiralox]

I forgot mala existed. Mala should get checked with a claimed vt right?

Why settle for less?
With any sort of Parity checking you always want as much information as you can get so you always target 2 new people each night.
The collective information from more people makes it more powerful as the game goes on and people flip.

@Elementd, you need to claim rn who you targeted, because if you die tonight, we need to know the other two players because one of the two is scum and hopeless a protective?

Yeah I changed my mind, I believe the claim, they’re just dead wrong on us.

Mala’s done enough to be obvtown.

~H

Nope. I don't know where you're getting any of this, but Elements should be following normal cop rules here. No claiming unless the result matters, and right now it doesn't.

I don't care about rules. The universe mocks lesser systems.


What I care about is Elements not hunting, not seeming to care who the mutineers are, at all. Do you agree?

[Eiralox]

Uhhhhhhhhhh.............

What has Mala done?

Why is Elements town for this?


I think I need to know.

Because. Not trusting this.

Joker may or may not agree but as extremely off the chart’s scummy as their play has been, nothing in either Titus or Elements’ claim fails to line up with ours: vt.

However Elements’ isn’t thinking, because if they were, they should notice. that I claimed vt well before their claim and furthermore if Elements was looking at anything logically, they should realize that if we’re goon and heavily sussed, we’d be the logical choice make the kill if we’re scum here, so they’re understanding of every seems assbackwards upside down.

Sure, sure.


But aren't they backed into a corner after Titus claim, if true(which, I mean, discounting Flea being silenced and the actual one with the black spot, I kinda trust, cos I had a hunch Enchant might be dissimulating?

One can twist and turn this claim multiple ways but that still doesn't counter the feel that Elements' heart really isn't in it?

[Eiralox]

Joking around

[Eiralox]

Plucking Daisies

[Eiralox]

Serenading Narwhals

[Eiralox]

Rat I'm always thinking about Bunyips. So wrong.

[Eiralox]

I don't get three results
I check two people and learn if

exactly 1

is a pr

So why is Killing Joke a mutineer then?

Who else?

[Eiralox]

Ugh.

yup.

I need names.

Effort.

I'll give it time. I'm feeling genuinely somewhat generous on this accrused ship for some kind of blooming reason that has to do with ear mold and tidal synth.

[Eiralox]

But Elements that was the most unscummy post you've made so far, If I'm honest.


Am I?

I think, all in all, you're not loyal. Still. Like the freaking parrot at this point, I am.

[Eiralox]

Why is Mala more of a liar, suddenly?

Why would Mala claim Miller then?

Yeah no.


I don't know about Mala.

But saying the above to suddenly make people trust Elements' claim?

AAAAAAh such a sweet thing is time.

[Eiralox]

Wait I just realized. Malakittens claimed Miller. Neither of the claimed investigatives interact with that. I find it unlikely we have three investigatives, with two of them being relatively powerful. So Miller probably doesn't exist.

VOTE: Malakittens

Negative utility to Elly
That’s the only real functional effect I see rn

Titus claimed.

Elements visisted.

Elements had to claim.

Only now they do.

If Elements were town, we would have gotten their second result by now. Their 'other one'.

This claim reeks merely of 'we mutineers think it's a safe claim, go for it'

[Eiralox]

Elements: I have two Results. Killing Joke is scum

Who else?

Elements: ......

Who Else?

Elements: Killing Joke is scum.

[Eiralox]

Killing Joke pushed Fenrir, Titus, Rat, Elements and Passaneger at end.

If killing Joke is town it won't be so weird if one or two on that list are scum, and it's pretty obvious who I'm referencing regarding that.

[Eiralox]

Elements: I have two Results. Killing Joke is scum

Who else?

Elements: ......

Who Else?

Elements: Killing Joke is scum.

Knowing the other target is anti-Town. Stop asking for it.

HAhhhhaaaaaaaaa!

I'm saying Element's ain't hunting.

Nice deflection ; )


And yes, I don't trust Elements. I very much want to know the other target. Only thing that can regain my trust, even if minutely.

[Eiralox]

You're believing that Elements is crew here.

See, catch up to that logic first and then I'll try to see what you're trying to push here.

[Eiralox]

Elements: I have two Results. Killing Joke is scum

Who else?

Elements: ......

Who Else?

Elements: Killing Joke is scum.

Knowing the other target is anti-Town. Stop asking for it.

HAhhhhaaaaaaaaa!

I'm saying Element's ain't hunting.

Nice deflection ; )


And yes, I don't trust Elements. I very much want to know the other target. Only thing that can regain my trust, even if minutely.

Sorry I thought "Who else" here meant the other target of Elements' result since you just prior expressed frustration at not having it.

Prior? I'm not too sure I did. regardless, this post was to show Elements' lack of involvement, but if I got the result via it, even if not my main aim, I would've been happy.

Right now it's less about mechanics, as Killing Joke and you have jumped on, and more about alignment, trust. Which you seem to show Elements?

Titus claim is okay. It haz Black Spot. This?


I'm not sold and it's gonna take a whale load of selling to get me anywhere near the giddy heights of ' Yeah Elemenst is crew...... cos weird claim, after forced to claim, after Titus outed and spotted. So no.

[Eiralox]

I don't believe this makes sense as a fakeclaim. I already just explained why, and why I changed my mind from my initial reaction.

Elements visits Killing Joke.

Titus as well.

Titus claims, outs Elements.

Killing Jokes claims Loyal Sailor.

Makes all kinda sense as a fake claim to me.

[Eiralox]

Elements: I have two Results. Killing Joke is scum

Who else?

Elements: ......

Who Else?

Elements: Killing Joke is scum.

Knowing the other target is anti-Town. Stop asking for it.

HAhhhhaaaaaaaaa!

I'm saying Element's ain't hunting.

Nice deflection ; )


And yes, I don't trust Elements. I very much want to know the other target. Only thing that can regain my trust, even if minutely.

This feels like badgering

Oh, it is!

[Eiralox]

the mutineers are a team. They have long-term plans.

Elements is all kinda scummy twenty ways to hades and back.

So no.

What you're saying is "Weird Claim, can't be scum"

Which are the kind of claims I, personally, think can aid scum very much depending on circumstance.

So no.


You saying a parity cop is less likelier than a whatever really does nothing for me, with two Loyal Sailor flips.

You are assuming>Elements weird claim>Crew

While I am

Elements>Weird>Trust claim?> I don't know. Don't really.

So?


Anything else?


Elements is scummy.

Having a (frankly not that wierd claim) doesn't change that fact as if it's magic. Titus, I believe. They're not even trying. Elements? Hanging on for dear life and frankly I'm sad I voted fenrir over them.

[Eiralox]

The only wolrd where I'm not pushing what I'm pushing is a world where Titus and Joke are buddies, which I might have mentioned to a lesser extent earlier.

And i don't see that. If it's true, they got Elements to out, but I don't see mutineer Titus, not under pressure, claiming to have the spot. At all. This early. So no.

[Eiralox]

No counterclaims. Enchant Admitted.


Elements claim is merely a response the mutineers have to Titus' results and Harley coming clean.

Nothing more.

[Eiralox]

The entire point is that Element's is most likely not what they claim, at all.

Parity cop, with an unannounced result and a hit on outed Loyal Sailor Joke, fits nicely with the data at hand, depending on other results depending on mutineer roles.

Someone said roleblocker, I don't really care, but to believe that the parity cop claim is real just cos it's spoken is premature at this point.

[Eiralox]

Elements, basically, has shared no results. So anyone, you Rat, taking them at face value are weird in my books.

Titus had two freaking results, and both check out cos both Joke and Elements have claimed after Titus came in.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Eiralox

Stick to fishing for fish please.

Imma eat you instead!

This is unsurprising.

[Eiralox]

And like, I want to wait for Elly’s reply before drawing a conclusion

Fair, I also want this.


I just have a feeling we're gonna be disappointed though.

[Eiralox]

Elements, basically, has shared no results. So anyone, you Rat, taking them at face value are weird in my books.

Titus had two freaking results, and both check out cos both Joke and Elements have claimed after Titus came in.

Joke claimed before?

I'm very sure Harely's 'We are Lyal Crew' came way before, yes. Lemme tabulate.

[Eiralox]

I am concerned because Elements expressed he was poisoned. I know we both visited KJ.

KJ visited no one.

I visit someone and determine who they visited and who visited them.

Elements should claim what he did.

Where? Link/Quote? Wtf Eira?

Titus soft innoed us and my only regret is that she’s not an AC.

Like seriously if people are still going to run us up even after getting soft inno’d and like I said, no one is listening to me/going to listen to me. If people are okay with adding us to the list of miselims and yes we massively contributed and yes we were wrong but if people are hellbent on miselimmig us, I don’t gaf. And Joker will probably get us miselimed since people are wrongly sr his playstyle.

VOTE: KJ


We’re VT. Joker was trying to bait the nk.

I'm a vanilla parity cop
pick two and learn if there is exactly 1 pr between them

Yup long long after

[Eiralox]

Suppose Elements is telling the truth. Compare what we gain from having that knowledge to what scum gains.

Now suppose they're lying. Whoever they claim to have targeted can't be trusted anyway in that case.

Either way, someone gets forced into a position of claiming to validate the result, and scum's ability to kill PRs is bolstered. This is bad for Town and as such, until the result becomes relevant we do not need to know it.

Elements has no validated results, basically. They're going off Joke after they claimed.

So why are you believing them this much?

The only way to prove they are indeed what they say they are is to share the second result.

If they don't, we can't be sure. Simple As.

But you remain adamant they're right?

Without verifiable results?


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Killing Joke: I'm Loyal Crew

Elements: I'm a thing I know Killing Joke is Vanilla
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No results. Elements can be anything.

[Eiralox]

Bless the seas!

[Eiralox]

Why not?

It'll be fun.

[Eiralox]

KJ claimed.

Mala claims not to have believed.

Someone else asked why not Mala.

Elements said.... I'm gonna lie I don't remember but it was kinda a weird reason? But not something I'm really looking at in this case.

[Eiralox]

I'm also not nearly as adamant as you make me out to be. I've simply weighed the options, and think that Town is more likely, and that going through and forcing out more claims is going to hurt more than it helps.

Best course of action is to accept the claim as it is for now, and come back to it if new information contradicts things.

You do you.

I wanna find the muteys.

[Eiralox]

KJ claimed.

Mala claims not to have believed.

Someone else asked why not Mala.

Elements said.... I'm gonna lie I don't remember but it was kinda a weird reason? But not something I'm really looking at in this case.

*Elements claims.


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Enough!

[Eiralox]

Why you didn't target claimed Miller as well then

I don't scumread Mala

[Eiralox]

Yes Rat, your reasoning has been so well thought out and thorough. It's not like you're pushing in the same places you've been pushing all this time or anything.

Erynis...................... I need to sit on them. Can be crew. But I can

VOTE: HighPrincessErynis

Elements is a mutineer. Better vote for me but eh I'll flow with the river for now.

[Eiralox]

I don't like their takes.

After we killed Fenrir, I thought my reads would shift a lot.

Not really.

There are times when they are very green. But overall bad vibes. After I killed Fenrir that's not saying much but eh I'm basic rn. I'll waste my time on whatever when I run out of words.

[Eiralox]

Push, then!

[Eiralox]

You're not. I don't even think you care about the crew.

[Eiralox]

You've spent the last several pages trying to rolefish. Speaks for itself if you ask me.

My intentions were clear from the start, so stop twisting my actions.