Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Gimli]

hiii

[Gimli]

I'm not gonna read anything and am just here for the free win

so, who are we limming?

[Gimli]

prod dodging

but let me post a content post

[Gimli]

enchant is doing things that make him more likely town in a game where I'm sure he'd roll up and troll as mafia

so that's my hot take for this game

[Gimli]

nah psyche is an innocent child

is he oh do tell

[Gimli]

I'm back to my best form, the potato form

goodbye

[Gimli]

playing

[Gimli]

No one will listen, lel

All i can do is getting as much fun from this as possible


You keep repeating how you obvious town but literally fuck anyone can say so, I don't care how many times you carried something, moreover sole fact that you try to blast on it CONFIRMS that you are mafia

this is exactly the pissed off tone of town enchant in pairs mafia

this is all the help I can give you I promise there's nothing else I can do in this game other than an instinctive townread on a player I think has quite a divergent scum/town meta

I don't have links don't ask me for links, don't ask for evidence, I could be wrong too for all I know

[Gimli]

yea he disengages and trolls as town, he did that on doctors micro game too

but before that he was playing some serious mafia, I mean, to the extent of enchant

[Gimli]

he is not even trolling any parts of this game, IDK why you think this.

town enchant is mech driven and not very interested in discussing leans and things like that. scum enchant I think might be a little more full potato, just doing nothing or very little and openwolfing too

[Gimli]

so who are we killing?

[Gimli]

*limming

[Gimli]

spoilers: enchant gonna flip town

[Gimli]

*limming

Me

who are you scumreading? I'll vote with you probably, can't trust these people here, they seem scummy coming after poor old innocent enchant like that

[Gimli]

instead of trying to convince people enchant is town, I'm gonna just side with him and enable him

not doing meta dives for you, do your own work yo! this is not my game I don't wanna dwelve too hard into it, quite frankly I don't care much if we win but we're not flipping goddamn enchant today

[Gimli]

instead of trying to convince people enchant is town, I'm gonna just side with him and enable him

not doing meta dives for you, do your own work yo! this is not my game I don't wanna dwelve too hard into it, quite frankly I don't care much if we win but we're not flipping goddamn enchant today

You have read roughly zero of the game so like this is an extremely frustrating perspective. I did my own work. I played the fucking game. Why don't you try fucking reading it?

too many pages

this is what you get mate, I'm really sorry

[Gimli]

you can towncase yourself and I'll look into it

[Gimli]

atp my gut tells me to trust enchant so imma roll with that

[Gimli]

Only player i can vote right now is dunnstral.

I don't want to vote dunnstral.

why not?

[Gimli]

like, I know this is annoying, but do you prefer before when there was no one playing on my slot? cause I can go back to just not caring at all. but asking me to read

goethe's faust part II

is unfair, I think.

[Gimli]

do you not even know the rules of the game? And you're telling me to town case myself? Fuck off dude.

what

okay back to potatoes bye

[Gimli]

Gimli can you please make yourself useful?

Sigh is this what we want?

jesus christ

[Gimli]

IDK gamma, I started to play and people were rude and I don't have to care if I don't want to care. I'm not reading all of that. I can be here and talk. if people have things that require looking at, I can look at them.

the other guy preferred psyche or if no one was playing instead of me trying to talk about reads I was making! cause my reads were upsetting. so idk.

[Gimli]

what do you make of the interactions between me and Fenrir?

I'm reading through and I've never seen STD so angry before (maybe briefly in pairs mafia w maria) and I've never seen you so angry before. I can't parse through the emotions to draw a lean, though. I'm sure this game is an infuriating mess for everyone involved.

but like, what do you think of fenrir's emotions here, do you feel like they're genuine and therefore more likely to come from town, or you're just disregarding that or you think he can be both frustrated and be scum?

[Gimli]

my questions will be very silly at first as I try to get into this game

if people start being mean I'll go back straight to potato and will not return to anything but prod dodges

[Gimli]

I have something to say, so warn me if you intent to hammer.

I don't intent to hammer but please say what you want to say

[Gimli]

I agree that to let me play would take a lot, from everyone and from myself, but jsyk I'm here.

@gamma I can't read your interactions with STD and think anything of them. I'm more like slightly inclined to think you might be town just because you asked me to do that one thing so thank you for interacting.

[Gimli]

I'd like you to play, I don't even care if you don't read the previous 200 pages but you're finding pushback by being dismissive.

I wasn't being dismissive, I don't see where enchant is trolling in this game though. he seems to be playing what I understand is more likely his town game.

for a glimpse of enchant's scum game I refer to the recently finished 'I designed this setup in 2019', if you want to see a real scum potatoing a game hard. can enchant post like he is posting here as a wolf? I mean surely, right, but does he do that? I haven't seen him do that yet.

btw we can only vote for him or dunstrall?

[Gimli]

Got a prod

[Gimli]

I'm trying to read back but it's a heavy read and I'm not too interested. If we don't get mafia again I'll try to be more involved

[Gimli]

bump

I've decided to play now instead of assuming it's all gonna work out well for us.

[Gimli]

8 players and 2 of them are scum

first order of business: check out who piled on enchant and, amongst them, who should know better.

[Gimli]

Does anybody want to dump all their money for any reason?

how do I know how much money I have?

[Gimli]

Holmes vs Hyperpost Meta vs 5.06

Dunnstral (0):

Enchant (5 - Elimination): Thestatusquo, Gamma Emerald, Gamma Emerald, Sheepssaysmeep, Dunnstral, Enchant,

Not Voting (4): Gimli, Save The Dragons, T-Bone, SirCakez,



With 9 Alive, It Takes 5 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-18 16:45:00)

Mod Notes: Enchant is now loved. Gamma Emerald is a double voter.

TSQ played pairs mafia with town!enchant. TSQ, have you ever played with scum enchant before?

was gamma in the pairs game?

sheep, what was your read on enchant? did you think he was scum, or were you just trying to save dunnstral?

I guess dunnstral is going to vote for his own counterwagon so that's fine.

[Gimli]

Wow shocker

challenge not cheaters

STD, why were you so eager to start the challenge? why didn't you let gamma do it?

[Gimli]

I'm posting this more for myself as I'm trying to get into the game but I have questions inside if people want to interact with my bullshit.

Spoiler: some things from after enchant's flip

I do want to think about this because there are 2 mafia left. Who makes sense as a team?

It wasn't enchant so somebody that was getting light townreads is actually mafia

I like this from dunnstral, immediately trying to advance the game

Did enchant flip affect you at all

One person in my poe flipping green should effect me how, exactly?

I don't like this from TSQ, as he was posting to enchant as if scum!enchant was a given and then started acting like this to STD. it feels to me like posturing and it's a scummy thing.

Doesn't humble you at all huh

the question is why are you talking to TSQ as if you know he is a townie? this + the 'I'm disappointed in you shea'. I'll extend the question you made to TSQ to yourself: does the enchant flip not change the leans you had in other people here?

Does anyone think there was scum on enchant

I'm not so sure personally because town seems content on eating itself. But I bet there's scum on me

people on enchant was everyone except for STD, me, t-bone and cakez. so I like the thought here but I wish he'd give it a second to look at the wagon before placing a challenge offwagon and then coming up with this.

I do think, for once, that STD might be town.

VOTE: save the dragons at least we can finally toss this

UNVOTE:
StD let's pretend we TR each other for a day or two while we think and consider some other people. im somewhat worried im getting confbiased this game and scum are snowing me.
if we don't think of anything we can always go back to murderfacing each other

i'm definitely considering the world where t bone has spent the whole game pocketing me in the pt and early on when he was refusing to vote me when I almost got turbolimmed day one

I should probably read d1.

[Gimli]

Oh my fucking god you are the worst type of person
STOP BEING SO FUCKING PETTY!!!!

phony.

i don't think i've done anything wrong and yet you continue to call me names

I feel like you’re playing in a deliberately provocative manner, same as I felt about Frogsterking in 2019 game

you were scum in 2019

[Gimli]

oh.

I just realised I made a terrible mistake that game. you were imaginality's slot? I thought you were furtive slot? and I hardcleared furtive.

that means maybe I can read your emotions well.

[Gimli]

reading parts of the game. this caught my eye:

Spoiler: lazy shirou shifting attention from cakez to psyche

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.07

Pysche (5): Dunnstral, Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, NorwegianboyEE ,
Dunnstral (1) : Psyche ,
Shirou (3) : T-Bone, SirCakez, Thestatusquo,

Not Voting (3): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear,,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

gamma do you still think cakes is town

My gut says no
I think he might have been peddling the furtive v. freedom TvS theory?

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

no

not really

cakez is cool and all but i like the gamestate feeling of psyche wagon

i think u need to be drunk to say this wagon has no resistance

i'll repeat i got to e-1 faster than psyche did yesterday

it feels protective, the way shirou reinforces the psyche wagon when the thread starts to talk about cakez. I think he is more likely to keep his options open here with the cakez idea if he is svt with him

[Gimli]

I don't like sircakez' pages 168-169. feels like scum detachement, appearing to defend himself when getting sussed, dropping random reads list, not interacting with the other townies in the game. all of these pages I'm reading, although they're pretty old, are interesting, I think, the way pooky and TSQ and gamma and STD to an extend are interacting with one another from similar standpoints, while shirou and norwee and, I think, cakez, are always the slots with difficulty interacting and sharing perspective in a way that's meaningful to the other players.

Nor do you have a read on Cakes?

norwee shows up, is really tired can't play mafia when tired, and then pooky asks that and norwee disappears. maybe he'll respond if it's about a scumbuddy? idk, but I don't like that he chose to just ignore it either, I think maybe you don't wanna talk about your scumbuddy if you're tired.

so like those are thin things but it's what I got.

[Gimli]

okay

I intent to hammer cakez, does anyone object to it? doing it in -30 minutes

[Gimli]

can u summarize any of ur other reads so far

I'm so far townreading gamma and tsq. I think gamma's approach to the game and emotions match what I know of her, and doing catch ups I've found her having good stances against norwee, and pushing cakez in crucial moments that I don't think are very likely when they're SvS. I can revisit those posts at a later time and share with the thread. I understand she had some weird interactions with shirou? that I should just read up more and figure out... but so far I'm fine putting gamma in a townpile, and especially if cakez flips mafia I don't think they're aligned.

I've seen some posts by thestatusquo that I think make him more likely town than not, especially in his interactions with pooky. it felt like townies working the game out in the thread. I suppose his annoyance with me when I replaced in display towny emotions, and I felt they were genuine.

[Gimli]

VOTE: cakez

[Gimli]

bit of a prod dodge but I expect to have some time to read properly tonight

please don't hammer gamma before I do thanks

[Gimli]

Spoiler:

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

this is the first thing that feels like it might have tangible value that I came across (went to the page it was on from my ISO)
I think alisaeslot being scum would mean tbone almost has to be town
otherwise I feel like this heat that pooky was getting doesn't make sense

I feel like this has high potential for a SvS interaction between shirou and alisae, and also has a high SvT equity between shirou and tbone for the way shirou is phrasing the 'you're trying to get tbone to vote me' bit to pooky.

[Gimli]

reading back on some posts gamma and tbone are pointing at:

Spoiler: alisae hammering titus

Double Voter ACTIVATE

VOTE: Titus X2

Oh ok it seems like we’re determined to eliminate what is probs a villager titus

there is no way titus is town

Id bet the house that she likely isn’t :/

VOTE: titus

U r likely a villager titus but let’s see if this read is correct or not

@STD: why were you so certain titus was scum?

I think e is more likely to push er's correct townreads stronger rather than have a defeated attitude towards it, even if titus' position in the game looked bad. I think the 'lets flip you and see if my read was right' isn't a townie approach, so when norwee calls alisae out for it, even though his phrasing was over the top, was fair to at least do so. but then shirou shuts it down entirely in that post tbone already mentioned

Spoiler: shirou shutting down norwee

What. I'm so confused. So Titus was town, Alisae somehow knew. And then hammered anyway?

are you trying to shade alisae now

she hammered bc that's what the day ended up looking like

I feel like shirou is more likely to take this position against scumbuddy norwee's shade when talking about a scum partner.

[Gimli]

there actually are reasons to blame it on furtiveglance:

Spoiler:

made you look

lol

[Gimli]

so after the titus hammer there's a wagon forming on my slot, while different people want different wolves. more evident in these interactions is how tbone is always aiming at shirou and heavily associating people with shirou.

Spoiler: random things from after the hammer

i still kind of want to do psyche but i'm really hesitant now

i almost want to do alisae because i'm still confused how you go from pushing titus's do something button to believing she's town

alisae got to live while not making much sense around the titus' wagon indeed?

VOTE: Shirou

Yikes

those tvs points to tbone, seems like organically feeling shirou is scum everytime shirou's posts are more alarmingly so

im not scum i really am this bad

I feel like STD's emotions throughout the earlier pages, and also after I replaced in, feel more like a townie and more like being genuinely upset with the results of things as opposed to faking it like shirou was doing

VOTE: alisae

I like this vote and the jumping wagons from one place to the other. I like STD this game alongside gamma and tbone as townies.

Dead air dead villager…

Oh ok it seems like we’re determined to eliminate what is probs a villager titus

Ok i thought it was a bit weird just this one time, but this is like twice now where Alisae is calling the flip town right before it happens.

this is a good call out, I know it was by scumz but it feels like posturing.

We're always flipping the entire board of misdirector's team so like, honestly, I would rather get on with it?

that has nothing to do with anything and I don't like that alisae is pushing it like that. knowing the entire team was limbait townies makes me view it with a clear scummy agenda.

I just don't like how we're not even reforming the Shirou wagon now?

more svt by tbone, just pretty much never scum with shirou this game

[Gimli]

I feel like

tbone/gamma
tsq/STD

are the townies

so the scum is dunnstrall and sheep? yeah, those

[Gimli]

a PT between alisae and scum!shirou that's being transposed in the thread to clear a slot is not something I wanna try to read into and work out that is 'never svs'

I've seen far too much scum theatrics inside of neighborhoods by now to give them any strength. we are knowing what happened from the POV and narrative of ali's slot.

but having said all that, I did not read much of the things from the PT because I wasn't understanding anything when I tried.

[Gimli]

today I'm leaning sheep

[Gimli]

in-thread wolfiness easily outweighs that by miles in significance

liking this guy

so can we vote dunnstral today?

[Gimli]

I'm slowly going over the PT between alisae and shirou, as described by dunnstral.

Spoiler: massive PT with commentary. part 1/?

the extent of the thing makes it extremely unlikely to be dunnstral lying about the PT activity itself. but it could be scum theatrics and dunn's decision to describe the entire thing in the game also makes sense if there was a good chunk of scum theatrics in the hood. so, ok, let's read up:

0 - Fire: Mod Post
1 - Alisae: Mentions Fire recommended they join this team
2 - Shirou: A whole paragraph about how they should hyperpost with a gif image
3 - Shirou: Says Alisae smells
4 - Shirou: Says they are over the top and posts an anime youtube link
5 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
6 - Alisae: Says they smell great
7 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
8 - Alisae: Continued hyping of themself up
9 - Alisea: Says the pt will be enjoyable
10 - Alisae: Response to banter in post 2
11 - Shirou: More banter and jojo youtube link
12 - Alisae: Jokingly calls self dumb
13 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]

this personal relationship between alisae and shirou makes me feel like those are players who will always talk a lot in their hoods even if it's a svs hood, and knowing shirou a fair bit by now I think they are quite likely to take the next step with neighborhood dynamics with a scum partner that's their friend.

14 - Alisae: Mentions they are only voting for Gamma emerald for pressure reasons; This is posted at the same time as 319
15 - Alisae: Talks again about seeing what happens
16 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
17 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
18 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
19 - Shirou: Says that the current challenge is unlikely to come from a mafia aligned Gamma Emerald. Mentions they have never seen Gamma as mafia.
20 - Alisae: Says the game is still in rvs
21 - Alisae: No clue who mafia is but knows a few townies (no names)
22 - Alisae: Questions if Pooky is mafia
23 - Alisae: Again accuses Pooky; this occurs shortly after Pooky posts the string of posts after 329

this looks good for alisae. the part of 'accusing' pooky makes me feel this is something organic and not manufactured. the level of detail would be something if this is a svs hood.

24 - Alisae: Questions who the mafia could be
25 - Alisae: Asks Shirou the above
26 - Alisae: Talking to a wall gif
27 - Shirou: Says they were posting a wall in the main thread and that they thought this game was meant to be more laid-back
28 - Shirou: Agrees that Pooky could be mafia, but has reservations. Says that Freedom's thoughts on Furtive is interesting.
29 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez can go either way and needs to read games where Gamma Emerald was against SirCakez (?). Also says that Save the Dragons is pretending to help with solving but doesn't know what to make of that.
30 - Alisae: Asks for thoughts on T-Bone
31 - Shirou: Says that their read on T-Bone depends on SirCakez and Pooky's alignment after they flip due to not wanting to vote SirCakez or Pooky
32 - Shirou: Mentions that T-Bone being mafia could be too on the nose
33 - Alisae: Expresses interest in the PT
34 - Alisae: Says the game is exciting
35 - Alisae: Praises the mod
36 - Alisae: Says they are fine being laid-back this game day
37 - Shirou: Quotes all of the above accusingly
38 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they would do if they were mafia this game
39 - Alisae: Responds that they don't know
40 - Alisae: Says they don't like to be mafia, but they are capable of playing as mafia
41 - Shirou: Thinks the game (of mafia) in general is stressful, but it is more stressful as town. Mentions that if Pooky is mafia they (Shirou) messed up by being too passive to deal with it
42 - Shirou: Wonders aloud if it is their fault if Pooky runs away with the game
43 - Shirou: Existential crisis over mafia, including the ethics of town pushing eliminations others don't want
44 - Alisae: Talks about how each alignment can be fun

45 - Alisae: Mentions that Pooky could be town in response to 42
46 - Alisae: Encourages Shirou to push Pooky if they believe in it

so the argument being maintained between them is that shirou thinks pooky is scummy, but is disheartened about pushing that slot because of past games where they led the town by going places town didn't want to go, and alisae is telling shirou that e thinks pooky is town but shirou should go ahead and push pooky anyway if they believed in it. that feels overly specific to be manufactured in a scum hood.

47 - Alisea: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
48 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
49 - Shirou: Says they are not very confident in Pooky being mafia. Asks about Alisae's strategy in a different game
50 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics. This is basically a pep talk
51 - Alisae: Says they have to care more as mafia
52 - Alisae: They don't know what is happening as town
53 - Alisae: 'You only live once' but for mafia games
54 - Shirou: Says they are heading to bed but will respond tomorrow
55 - Alisae: Cute
56 - Shirou: Smelly
57 - Shirou: Says they shouldn't be so dramatic about being miseliminated. Thinks that if Pooky is mafia it is their fault.
58 - Shirou: Wants the game to be fun again
59 - Alisae: Says it is a new day
60 - Alisae: Asks what Shirou thinks about Save the Dragons
61 - Alisae: Agrees with Sircakez. This is around 891 and the several posts made by Sircakez onwards
62 - Alisae: Says that until now they suspected Shirou, but they are coming around on Norwee and that is making them townread Shirou as well. Mentions that if any of their townreads are wrong it is Save the Dragons.
63 - Shirou: Says that 59 is wise
64 - Shirou: Response to 60 saying that Save the Dragons is more likely town than not but they need to reread to be sure. Also says that they only agree with half of wh at Sircakez is posting.

Alisae had a conditional read between shirou and norwee and was posting that to shirou in their PT, while simultaneously being mafia with shirou and norwee? I don't think that's too likely.

the feeling I get from dunnstral's description is that this is unlikely to come from a svs hood, even if shirou and alisae are both good wolves who can put up theatrics. I'll go over the other bits later but based off hood activity I agree with TSQ this is unlikely to be anything but a svt hood.

[Gimli]

swap my team out for std if that's legal

is this distancing?

[Gimli]

so I'm running a theory now that the team is sheep/STD because I don't think it's dunnstral anymore and I'm townreading the other players, but they have been pushing each other a fair bit so I'm not sure if they make sense together

[Gimli]

Sigh

[Gimli]

I really feel that tsq and gamma's interactions last "gameday" are not svs

[Gimli]

Since gamma and tsq are rarely scum together I think the best chance we have today is flipping sheep first then figuring out the partner in gamma/tsq/tbone

[Gimli]

??????

Sheep what's with the reaction here? I know scum had a shot because of one of your posts even, so why was this surprising?

[Gimli]

Since gamma and tsq are rarely scum together I think the best chance we have today is flipping sheep first then figuring out the partner in gamma/tsq/tbone

filpping sheep means the game is over so let's hold our horses as I actually have to do stuff

What kind of stuff?

I'm not in a hurry to vote you and am about to go to bed so I'm not making this decision now but gamma has been towny imo and the snap challenge is something I'm townreading as well in elo. What's even more telling is that the way this is unfolding, gamma's scum equity drops even harder because of lack of team mates. If she has a team mate in your team, I think it's you.

[Gimli]

obviously have to re-read but currently I think STD was correct and it's something like Tbone/psyche lol

good night

You're townreading tsq? How's the PT going? Is he towny in it, are you guys using it a lot?

[Gimli]

I should get some rest as well

Gnight

Pedit: how about your predecessor's interactions with tsq? Is there anything in the PT?

[Gimli]

VOTE: gamma

[Gimli]

just here for the free win

GG scumbros! you were awesome

too bad for town, better luck next time

thanks firebringer for modding

<3

[Gimli]

Okay,
So each team PT everyone has 48 hours to give me any redactions. Will also just not open any if both team members decide they want it locked. I know one team wants it locked I will double confirm that.

Scum team also have 48 hours for any redactions.
Spec/dead thread should be open in a minute will put all links in the openning post.

no redactions from me