Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Yimmy]

hi guys. will try to read up from the moment i replaced in and then i will see if i can read the twenty prior pages also today

[Yimmy]

I'm in a hood now

no idea why i multiquoted this. um

You should unvote.

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Tldr : melding over being held accountable for focusing on their role doing things rather than playing mafia

ugh i hate it when i have to discern whether malding is sincere or not. umm i also don't understand what dkkoba is saying. that will come with time hopefully

Also it is extremely disingenuous that aureal is trying to claim role inheriting will remove all recruits, how are you sure of that? Sounds like fearmongering to survive as hard as possible.

this seems like a normal thing to assume? like certainly it maybe isn't true but this seems very uncharitable? somebody should explain aureal's role to me

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Maybe Ofrhz even though I just mentioned them of being scummy (but only if we flip scum today. Don't question this. It's a gut/intuition thing)
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townpost. think scum wouldn't be so panicked about the deadline unless they were unhappy with the current wagon, but in that case i don't really see de really being pushy about anything. just really sorting their thoughts cause they think they have to. can relate. also left that one line in cause it seems like something that specifically would be hard to fake. like a read that doesn't matter at all right now and it's weird gut and don't worry about it

Also, hi Yimmy. You town here?

yes

YES FINALLY

VOTE: Yimmy

feel bad for the slot though :(

why? (do you feel bad but you can explain the vote too)

and also because Meuh was all like "yeah I'll do what you asked Dragon, but I actually have no freaking clue what's the purpose of it but I did it anyway" which doesn't sound very genuine.

I wanted to do it because it sounded enjoyable, could give me stronger reads and was an opportunity to collaborate with you (who I think is town)!
I did have a clue what the purpose of it was, it's when I did it that I ended up unenthused because I didn't get much out of it. This is unsurprising, because not only had I already read the posts (unlike you, who I think hadn't read them yet), but I've been here for less long. Those posts were already like 15% of the ones that had been made since I replaced in and I didn't have held over feelings from earlier in the day, so the exercise of only considering them just wasn't a major shakeup of my perspective. It mostly made me pay more attention to posts I had glanced over, but as it turns out, those posts I glanced over weren't posts I found super AI, so I didn't end up with much new. :/

this is a believable post

But u were fully informed when u made the read list… I was unaware you could get even more informed in that timespan that is my bad

this is a weird post

Koba we townread eachother we mustn't fight we must work together

like you townread the guy... why are you being so uncharitable?

VOTE: Yimmy

why (probably i figure out on reread but tell me anyway)

i reread myself and i realized i know what ur referring to now and i was kinda having a "manipulate this person by threatening them with a scumread" moment and now i get what ur saying (its not a scumslip btw i just sometimes be like that lol, and fwiw im very careful about how ive come across/my stances as scum moreso than town and actively want to have a clean worldview and all that)

Fair, I didn't actually think it was a slip I'm basically just shitposting from my phone while I'm on the bus.

yeah this was a weird interaction on kkfc's end

haven't figured out how i feel about dkkoba yet. i really feel like i should do that soon.
de keeps on emphasizing how paranoid they are. i think that's +town actually.

can someone point me to the massclaim pretty please? i feel like understanding aureal's claim and meuh's claim is important right now

[Yimmy]

not sure if i'll be able to read 20 pages today. game is kinda dense

[Yimmy]

we decided that theta's desperate modifier still affects amway actions?
sorry i am super lost in the weeds of mech. this is horrible

[Yimmy]

ok i believe you

[Yimmy]

in an act of blatant self-preservation i will post some of my catch-up notes before i have even finished catching up

[Yimmy]

DragonEater70
2946 hard to see scum making this post
3077 yeah this is way sincere
3087 townpost
3096 is hard to parse (in a towny way)
DkKoba
2955 banger post
2990 banger again
3015 what? townpost though kinda
3161 want to call this town, but probably just banger
3219 would be weird if the post was just defending cook but actually there's an ircher push hiding inside of it which makes it make a lot more sense (like he's not just defending some guy)
3222 yeah dkkoba is looking good
AniX
3063 really want to know what's going on here (he's explained de. no lim is still weird)
3196 seems like a lame way to plant themself on a vanity wagon. i think there's a case on aureal at least (he also kinda changes his argument once the cases are spelled out for him)
3201 i think i can understand his dislike for cook and klick wagons but the dragon case is still bad
3217 is kinda bad
p130 i don't like anix basically refusing to scumhunt but i can believe it (it's for a different reason than 3196 though. maybe i can't believe it)
Skygazer
2983 why does that matter?
3103 town?
Bingle
2931 icky. might just not like his style
2979 maybe agree with aureal that bingle is being a little obtuse
2985 yeah (do't remember why i made this note. just didn't like the post i guess)
Aureal
3009 bad post
3026 absolutely bonkers of aureal to point to a post that's exclusively mech when pushed about having no reads. like only having mech-based reads is textbook scumplay
doesn't read sincere either (not sure why it'd be insincere. whatever)
3181 okay i've decided this frustration isn't sincere
Cook
3089 i like this post for some reason
camelCasedSnivy
3152 don't like this post
3162 why pacifizer snivy?
3165 this feels fearmongery and not real
KatyKimFanClub
3108 town?
p126 not sure scum responds like this to a rando scumread. doesn't feel natural either way
3204 "unique is an indicator of fake" ????
3205 is coherent but i don't agree

i don't want to compile anything into, like, a readslist until i've at least finished the 20 pages i committed to.
2809 is why i am being pushed? i think it is lame mostly

[Yimmy]

mod notes: prodding KatyKimFanClub. replacing Klick — once a replacement is found, I will offer the replacement up to extend the current phase by up to 72 hours if it's a phase with a deadline. (in other words, if a replacement is found in the next 33 hours, day 1 could be extended, and if not, night 1 could be extended.)

lol we're going to have a week long night to wait for someone to replace into a doomed slot

We could just wagon Klick? I'm for it

ok now that you guys didn't have to wait a week for someone to replace into a "doomed slot (even though there was another lost at e-1)" can we stop going for the apathy lim. this is crazy

anyway really lost my tempo after the last post. just a few more notes
DragonEater70
3267 is good again
Ranger
2761 when did the implosion group become guaranteed?
DkKoba
3363 good post ugh
KatyKimFanClub
3252 this feels like a different thing than 3247 in, like, an actively misleading way

2685 this is actually more coherent than meuh's case. still don't like it obviously
p111 bonkers that my wagon is in the same league as cooks or aureals. there's a case on aureal and ranger spends half the page explaining (pretty coherently) that cook isn't an apathy elimination. no way town decided jumping on the apathy wagon was the right move
i do not know how i ended up on p111. i got lost i guess

snivy's response is bad but probably isn't worth worrying about without a flip

idk meuh. people (mostly anix) asked for the klick/rn case, like, a dozen times and yours was the only one that popped up in the last 20 pages. like i found ofhrz's case and that's it.

anyway i do not feel like compiling my reads at all cause i've already been reading for like 3 hours. you will just have to guess. i feel like i should have an opinion on cook, but i don't right now. i will think about it more tomorrow

VOTE: aureal

[Yimmy]

I also think Yimmy's posting is a really awkward pivot onto an Aureal vote.

Leans town on Cook for 3089, which is a reach. Well, of course it is a reach; Yimmy claims to have only read 20 pages, and you'd have to reach pretty hard to end up townreading Cook's posting in the last 20 pages. Hope he didn't pull a muscle doing that maneuver.

pivot from where lol?
anyway idk i just liked the post. i think in practice it's in the same tier as dkkoba's three banger posts. like i just thought the aurdacity of it was a little funny. anyway i think i also didn't realize cook was talking about something that happened p14 which really mutes the audacity :( dkkoba is the only banger poster around i guess

or we could flash wagon my vanity vote

we totally could

Btw Koba, I saw that goddess role you linked, that sounds crazy.

I totally see why you'd suspect a similar role.

Also I feel the way the Yimmy coubter wagon happened is suspicious and was maybe done to defend Aureal? But I townread most people voting there...

Blegh, I can't think right now. I will probably figure this out later. I mean we have almost 4 full days to deadline.

yeah kkfc and std absolutely do not have the progression going into it and ccs hardly does. also the way kkfc went for it is, like, excessively oppurtunistic. "let's vote for the empty slot (that i've hardly spoken on to this point" and then "oh i guess it's not empty never mind" and then still voting there after it got momentum. i don't think now is the time for a vanity wagon but wowee

ugggh i feel like the most pro-town thing to do is to iso cook but man do i hate iso'ing, especially in a game i wasn't in mostly. let me procrastinate for a little while first

also i got us a 72 hour deadline we still have like 48 hours left lol

[Yimmy]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

Town, you are welcome to join me on this vote and save me a vig kill. Otherwise, I'll be seeing him tonight.

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

ok this is a super weird push again. the read is pretty much without merit i think, and anix doesn't really have an excuse to completely ignore the death miller flip, considering how he's spoken about the game thus far. weird

koba claimed townie and they'd flip as a random scum

but nobody would be able to verify if they were actually... telling the truth or not?

No, it's pretty simple in this case. Either someone claims a vig shot, or we operate on the assumption that Koba was town.

i don't think i understand. mafia can shoot a traitor?

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

He told us he lied about his role in the neighborhood, I'm not inclined to disclose how.

Famous pro-town behavior, lying about your role in a massclaim where everyone else is truthful.

why'd you decide everyone else is truthful

oh yeah isn't dragoneater dead weight now

this is vt erasure :cry: :cry: :cry:

Yeah literally all my claim here means is that if Koba turns out to have actually been scum, then I was lying and also am scum
Which is uh not much info actually
Kind of an unfortunate NK for me

nah koba is town actually. claiming to backup his role would be a scumclaim if koba's role wasn't real

koba claimed townie and they'd flip as a random scum

but nobody would be able to verify if they were actually... telling the truth or not?

I don't think so.

I'm also really confused on why scum would kill them since they claimed having utility when they die and they didn't even have a successful Day 1 push.

can you elaborate? do you just mean their d1 push was on town? (cause it kinda succeeded)

dkkoba unfortunately
though i was also interacting with bingle to try and get a read on then in our neighborhood because i kind of suspected that one of those two were power wolfing

dkkoba does investigate as town though i have confirmed that

i can't see bingle powerwolfing? i guess i haven't read most of the game lol but still. not one of the leading voices

Okay I'm just gonna make a quick readlist based on flips and claims + some things that occured during the night. This readlist is mainly to help myself organize my thoughts but like, feel free to ask me questions about it, and agree/disagree etc.

An asterisk (*) after a player's name indicates the read is sort of "placeholder" and I need to re-evaluate it after doing VCA and ISO diving when I am back from V/LA.

{STD, Ranger}
{CCS*, Political Clout*, Theta}
{Ircher, ofrhz}
{AniX, Skygazer}
{Katy*, Yimmy*}
{Meuh*, Bingle, Cook*}

Katy and Yimmy I don't really have a read on that I can commit to right now (which is why they are asterisked), above them are all town and below them are all scum.

Meuh I think is towny by play but I have a gut scumread on her - this is the opposite of Aureal who was scummy by play but I had a town gutread on.

I thought CCS and PC were good TRs but rn I feel like I wanna re-evaluate my reads on them, because of something someone said regarding them. I'm more confident on CCS than on PC.

Cook is textbook scummy but Aureal's flip into Cook lim is also textbook chain-limming (in a scumsided sense) so I just want to verify my scumread on Cook before I vote there.

this has very little correlation with 3571 and i think that should be mostly explained

wait why is std so high

Oh did I forget to mention I was in a hood with him and Ranger last night?
They're not mech cleared but based on some things that were said I'm 95% sure they are both town.

There's a single, large problem with the narrative of me being a traitor.

My role is confirmed.

Huh. Good point.

UNVOTE: Bingle

three person hood?
ok bingle interaction isn't weird because de would be the person to know if the clear went through? if my understanding is right

VOTE: cook

who wants to talk tonight

me

i didn't iso cookie. i probably still should. uuuuggghhhh
the day is young. i'll vote with my heart
VOTE: anix
i could also feel kkfc i think
ok i'm not committing to a cookie iso cause that's boring but i will commit to a (leisurely) proper read of the game from the top. i feel like i don't have a complete picture of anyone's game right now

[Yimmy]

wow I never thought I'd make it this far. no idea how to capitalize on a neighborhood actually. uhhh skygazer

in my defense i wasn't around for the 3 "delayed"s
i do not think the original claim made no sense
idk town fakeclaiming to dodge a nk seems normal in role madness
you could say "maybe de is the traitor! he delayed his claim so that is why he fakeclaimed!" or you could say "bingle is the traitor" which most people is reasonable. i think there are options

[Yimmy]

sorry, i should've said "little merit" instead
idk what ive seen is that a mech band push doesn't need much value for you to go for it. like if you are only going to engage in the game mechanically it seems lame to turn down this oppurtunity. how big is the laundry list anyway?

(our readers may like to remember 3232

[Yimmy]

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[Yimmy]

really sorry, my heart is not in this game (school started recently. my heart is full of that <3)
seems like the move is to run bingle to e-1? if he dies it means he lied about his role and if he doesn't it means cook lied? kinda straightforwardly?
VOTE: bingle

[Yimmy]

hi guys. good game for town. was a really rough replacement but i probably could've done more. also totally missed a trick (my enforcer and bingle's whatever where both wiki roles with nonstandard effects. should've made me conftown >:( )
ircher played really well. i feel like by the time i was doused the game was a mechanical loss though :(