poor persephone
@antinfinity, why RNG?
not understanding the point on drew, reaching too much with amrun imo.
Kast wrote:@Greyice-
How about you cut the crap and play the game? Flailing around randomly D1 like an idiot is just going to waste time and peg you for a useless VI. If you're scum, then keep it up, but if you're town, you're just going to hurt your credibility when you try to play seriously later. In either case, you're just setting yourself up as lynch bait (either as a mislynch or a sacrificial bus) and that's clearly not playing to your win con.
Amrun wrote:Okay, read.
Lobster, why place an rvs vote and FoS someone in the same post?
Ani, why did you vote for me? Explain what you thought I was saying.
(Tar answered this question within the thread already.)
Kast, why did you call Grey a VI? What basis do you have for this?
Ace, why is two posts of supposed fluff a scumtell at this stage of the game?
Not really seeing the case on Kast yet, though I don't exactly like his posts, either.
ZeL1nK wrote:I thought that was a pretty obvious joke. Why would GI-scum lie about it when Candle Jack could easily confirm it's a lie?
This is null for me. Although the responses and vote shifts because of it have got my interest.
vollkan wrote:Amrun wrote:
Vollkan: it was more about the wording and the combination with the RV. Her waffling explanation of having a null (?) read on me demonstrates that she read enough to have reads and be able to generate them, and yet she makes an RV and expresses no suspicions. Why? It makes no sense. Also, it didn't seem to be a nullread - it seemed to be a town read with a couple of loopholes to allow for backtracking.
Amrun+5
Two problems with this:
1) She said your actions were scummy, but may have just been a mistake. It's expressed cumbersomely, but she's basically just declaring a nullread. Waffling is bad when it is used to be passive or to cover lack of content. Here, it is just a bad way of expressing things. I can't for the life of me see why you are reading it as scummy,
2) You emphasise the fact that she has a nullread and also RVs. What's the scumtell here? The whole point of RVing is to spark a game. The mere fact that some people have already committed game-relevant actions doesn't negate the appropriateness of RVing - and it certainly doesn't make it scummy.
Pomegranate wrote:Amrun- Acted weird with the cult mention (DESPITE reasoning given, still out of place). However, since then he's acted pretty normally, except his focus is to clear that up. I don't like it yet I can't call him scum for it because it's a stupid mistake similar to many I've made as town; I'll cautiously say town now.
GreyICE wrote:Nocmen wrote:Masons now too? Why the hell would you outthat factfor no good reason?
Unvote, Vote: GreyICE
Amrun wrote:Oh, "the fact" thing is weak, but I still find Nocmen scummy otherwise.
Lobstersheep is very bad - torn between the two.
StevieT92 wrote:I want to hear what GreyIce's flavor name because as a fan of the series I want to see if the flavor makes sense with the role he is claiming.
ace wrote:When you vote you have to think about what purpose the wagon will serve. Will a wagon on Kast, or a wagon on Stevie serve more purpose? In this case, a wagon on Stevie will accomplish very little; he's not going to significantly change his posting style because he's already trying to defend himself. A wagon on Kast will either force Kast to contribute to scumhunting as town or force him out of his comfort zone as scum.
vollkan wrote:Lobster wrote:
im not too familiar here with your point system, but are you saying that amrun is twisting Pom's interpretation of amrun's cult post, and her rvs fos into something scummy that isn't? because Pom never said what amrun did was scummy, she said it was wierd. to me there is a big difference. to me, at the end pom said that she was cautiously leaning town, also not indicative of me of a pure null tell.
I see that Pom's already said that she meant it how I interpreted it. In terms of Amrun, the problem is that he keeps accusing Pom of waffling, non-committal, etc. (actually, the attack has changed from being non-committal, to waffling, to having an actual read (ie. committing) and yet also RVing), when in fact her position was clear. Having a null read on something does not equate to being non-committal.
Lobster wrote:
the interpretation of Pom's post here seems to be a bit off. to me, i dont see it as a roundabout way to get a null-tell, and i dont mind the rvs vote too much either. i see it as potentially scummy that she finds amrun's way of trying to describe the cult mention as not normal, i mean, what do you find not normal about the way amrun as defended herself? also, there was only 1 post amrun said that wasn't about the cult post, and all amrun did was ask questions to people (the one to ani was pretty bad), and say that she didnt see the case on kast, but didnt like his posts. i don't really like amruns post here, and i dont see why Pom does.
Pom's post gives me a vibe of fencesitting with a caution town label afterwards, it makes me wonder if perhaps there is some distancing going on here between amrun and Pom.
I don't think you can seriously deny that Amrun's actions were weird. In which case, I can't see why Pom is unreasonable in her view of it: namely, that it was weird but could be written off as a mistake.
Stevie wrote:
I'm also not voting GreyIce really because of his claim - he would indeed have to be an incredibly ballsy scum to come out with that day one. I'm voting him because his behavior since that claim has been extremely suspect.
Yup. GI is scum because he has done the right thing in claiming and is also refusing to give away any more information than he needs to.
vollkan wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:vollkan wrote:Lobster wrote:
im not too familiar here with your point system, but are you saying that amrun is twisting Pom's interpretation of amrun's cult post, and her rvs fos into something scummy that isn't? because Pom never said what amrun did was scummy, she said it was wierd. to me there is a big difference. to me, at the end pom said that she was cautiously leaning town, also not indicative of me of a pure null tell.
I see that Pom's already said that she meant it how I interpreted it. In terms of Amrun, the problem is that he keeps accusing Pom of waffling, non-committal, etc. (actually, the attack has changed from being non-committal, to waffling, to having an actual read (ie. committing) and yet also RVing), when in fact her position was clear. Having a null read on something does not equate to being non-committal.
Lobster wrote:
the interpretation of Pom's post here seems to be a bit off. to me, i dont see it as a roundabout way to get a null-tell, and i dont mind the rvs vote too much either. i see it as potentially scummy that she finds amrun's way of trying to describe the cult mention as not normal, i mean, what do you find not normal about the way amrun as defended herself? also, there was only 1 post amrun said that wasn't about the cult post, and all amrun did was ask questions to people (the one to ani was pretty bad), and say that she didnt see the case on kast, but didnt like his posts. i don't really like amruns post here, and i dont see why Pom does.
Pom's post gives me a vibe of fencesitting with a caution town label afterwards, it makes me wonder if perhaps there is some distancing going on here between amrun and Pom.
I don't think you can seriously deny that Amrun's actions were weird. In which case, I can't see why Pom is unreasonable in her view of it: namely, that it was weird but could be written off as a mistake.
Stevie wrote:
I'm also not voting GreyIce really because of his claim - he would indeed have to be an incredibly ballsy scum to come out with that day one. I'm voting him because his behavior since that claim has been extremely suspect.
Yup. GI is scum because he has done the right thing in claiming and is also refusing to give away any more information than he needs to.
amrun was acting wierdly, i never denied that, what i said was that wierd=/=scummy in terms of wording. if i said amrun was acting wierd, id consider that to have a different meaning than amrun was acting scummy.
Sure, the word "weird" in isolation doesn't mean "scummy". But Pom juxtaposed it being "weird" and her not "liking" it against her thinking it was potentially just a town mistake; which implies that weird was just being used instead of scummy. Now, that isn't technically a correct labelling, but it's hardly unusual for a person to use the word "weird" when they mean "scummy"
SpyreX wrote:Ok who's up to funny business?
Thats all I'm going to say until a chunk of people have chimed in because SOMETHING just happened to me and I'm not a fan.
Antifinity wrote:GreyICE wrote:Antifinity wrote:StevieT92 wrote:
What is a RNG? never heard that term before or maybe i am rusty.
RNG. I used a random number generator for my first vote because I was in a hurry.
I'm convinced this cult-wagon-thing is nuts, and everyone involved is crazy.
The miller thing is more serious, and for flavor reasons, I'm inclined to believe it.
I'm going to put my less random vote on Candle Jack, for caring far too muchvote: Candle Jack
Candle Jack is my mason buddy. I get mad when you vote for my mason buddies. Who would you say is floating on the sidelines and needs serious pressure?
PEdit: Drew those questions were still noise designed to look town, they were stupid as SIN.
StevieT92 wrote:Clarification on the point on Kast: I have no problem with the people wagonning him as I think he is mildly scummy - I am not however going to vote for him.
GhostWriter wrote:Because that completely helps things. You have no vote down, an FoS on the main driving force behind Kast's wagon, yet you have no problem with the people on the wagon AND find Kast mildly scummy, but npt enough for a vote or even an FoS? Yeah...
etc...
I gathered a ton of posts on Stevie while catching up but it seems kind of pointless now. I'm actually going tovote: Stevieright now, despite shenanigans, since I consider it highly unlikely that something that moves votes would also trigger into effect on lynch. If anyone has a reason to suspect this is risky though, I don't mind unvoting. Oh, and just point of order,FoS NocmenI'm pretty confident he'll be vigged tonight, but if not, I'm pre-in for that wagon.
An aside:I suspect the existence of a vigilante based on the presence of a watcher, as suggested by the existence of a watcher/tracker miller; not because I am a vigilante, or a scum claiming a vigilante, or whatever else you want to blame me for)
An aside to that: For anyone who wasn't in the latest Square Enix Mafia, I got lynched for correctly setup-speculation (that turned out to be correct) and so I'm pre-responding to that sort of shenanigans.
Amrun wrote:No PM here either.
Nocmen is on the Stevie wagon so I won't be getting on it - though I objectively see why the wagon exists and there are townreads also on it.
Amrun wrote:Well, if I was totally convinced Stevie was scum, yes.
I see what other people are picking up on, but it doesn't really read as scummy to me. No textbook reason why... Just gut. He seriously reads like a newb, but he says he's not... I've been kind of distracted all day so I probably need to re-read the last couple of pages.
SpyreX wrote:Damn with the votecount being edited my shower-induced paranoia may not be true.
I'll talk about it more after but I'm fully expecting no one to chime in.
Lets just say if Stewie gets lynched and I die instead pay attention.
Amrun wrote:Also, for someone talkng with scuch confidence about stevie being scum, you're not voting him.
And I just realized you and I are the only ones voting nocmen; not acceptable.
VOTE: lobstercatapult
Nocmen wrote:Amrun wrote:Because I don't suspect Stevie? Whatevs, have fun with that.
For the record, though, grey, you are town. So is candlejack.
Still wanting to see a more detailed wagon analysis.
Also, I don't understand the vote on Lobster. Because of sheeping your vote on me? That's the only reason I can see why.
Additionally, Amrun, an issue I have with your case on me is that you disagree with what Grey thinks in me "practically claiming scum", but you fail to provide much of a reason, aside from your disagreeing with me on the Kast wagon.
Nocmen wrote:Amrun wrote:Pomegranate, I never changed my mind OR my reasons, I just failed to explain them properly at first, which is why I immediately did.
Nocmen, my vote on you came before the "slip" and for entirely independent reasons.
As did my suspicion of Lobster. Do an ISO really quickly or something.
The vote was before that, but I still don't see much reasoning for the vote on me.
@Lobster: I think Amrun wanted me to ISO her, which I conveniently did before my last post, so I'm a bit familiar with it. In your vote on me though, I felt like you didn't really have much of a reason of your own, just sheeping what else was posted. However, I have a townish read on you for now.
Kast wrote:I'll have my larger post with breakdown of reads up tonight. Skimming through and trying to answer any outstanding points atm:
@Starbuck-
Yeah, I answered the question. You may have missed it since it was in spoiler tags.
If you think your death is very likely, take the chance to share more thoughts/info as needed. Also, I did not do anything to cause your PM/whatever. Further, it seems unlikely that the culprit would claim in any case, especially not when you imply whatever was done is negative/harmful.Spyrex wrote:Lets just say if Stewie gets lynched and I die instead pay attention.
-I'm amused that ace reacts to being called out by basically saying, "Look at me! I'm pushing a counter-wagon and interested in doing something!"
-I'll keep Amrun in mind in my re-read/summary; on the surface I'm feeling neutral as far as affiliation, but I may be biased since it feels like she keeps agreeing with me. I don't have the best opinion of most of her attackers though, so that'll probably affect my read.
populartajo wrote:loobster, can you make a summary of the evolution of your stevie read?
Amrun wrote:Lobster, when did grey say something about multiscum? Must have missed it.
Also, just because I moved from Nocmen to you without explaining it much doesn't mean it is "opportunistic." It is, in fact, the opposite. I moved from a wagon with three votes to a wagon with none - that you're trying to brand that as opportunistic is laughable, actually, and shows you're totally fabricating your omgus case on me.
Amrun wrote:I thought Nocmen claimed scum according to you. Are you ever going to explain that or show conviction in your reads, Grey?
Antifinity wrote:
I gathered a ton of posts on Stevie while catching up but it seems kind of pointless now. I'm actually going tovote: Stevieright now, despite shenanigans, since I consider it highly unlikely that something that moves votes would also trigger into effect on lynch. If anyone has a reason to suspect this is risky though, I don't mind unvoting. Oh, and just point of order,FoS NocmenI'm pretty confident he'll be vigged tonight, but if not, I'm pre-in for that wagon
StevieT92 wrote:LC wrote:
oh, also, i saw this in ace's iso. i meant to say in that post "I think you being on Stevie's wagon is trying to get you townie points if stevie flips town" i meant to say "being OFF stevie's wagon".
I buy this, and think that Ace's post of "100% a fruedian slip" is very scummy.
The case against Lobster is almost all from before she went V/LA. Her posts since then have actually been very critical and great posts..which is an interesting dynamic. Look at #262 which i feel is a really weak attempt to defend herself and she seems to be flailing around a bit. Whereas her recent post she makes good points about drew and yet now that she has a huge wagon on her is ignoring it entirely. This is scummy to me.
Lobster, you are at L-2 i believe. Claim or die.
StevieT92 wrote:GreyICE wrote:
My number one problem with LC was that his vote was sitting orphened on Malthusis (who had given me no reason to think he was town so it wasn't a terribad vote) until Mathusis started to build noise then he moved it over to Amrun. However, if we assume Malthusis is town, there's no scum motivation behind that move, and suddenly LC gets a whole lot less scummy for me. Besides which I think the reasoning in ISO #4,5, and 16 feels somewhat town.
Even if malthusis is town there is still motivation for that - she wants to be seen voting people for good cause and yet doesn't want to be a part of a large wagon. That's a way scum can sort of slip through the day without being noticed.
As far as you still wanting to lynch me, you are irrational and a fool. Just because I realize that you're scum doesn't mean you should irrationally vote someone who just put down a solid claim. No one has come out and said they were Rei instead of me, and Rei is certainly a character aligned with nerv. You are damning yourself with your mouth.
vollkan wrote:LC wrote:
pedit @volkan, i said to ace he should start his own wagons rather than just latching onto one that early on in the day. thus i tried to start on on malthusis. his lurking, other scummier suspects, stevies posts, and my own lack of claification on my vote had rendered my wagon attempt failed.
I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, this doesn't make sense to me - you can't start a wagon by voting somebody and then simply saying, in a one-line case, that their last vote was bad. But, at the same time, I can't see any real scum incentive for this - it's useless, but that's about it.
Amrun wrote:Well, if I was totally convinced Stevie was scum, yes.
I see what other people are picking up on, but it doesn't really read as scummy to me. No textbook reason why... Just gut. He seriously reads like a newb, but he says he's not... I've been kind of distracted all day so I probably need to re-read the last couple of pages.
Candle Jack wrote:LC, I have asked you about your level of knowledge of Evangelion. Respond or else.
- Tar
drewoftherushes wrote:Responding to prod. I had ten pages to read just now. I'm starting to wish we has taken gi's advice on the first day and speed lynched someone. Anyone.
Impressions from last ten pages: town voting bloc freaks me out a little bit. Stevie asking twice for roleclaim from LC when she was at L-4? Hate to agree with GI but that's awful. Suryes reads weren't horrible in my eyes, and I think it's worth going back to have a look at GI based on thy (for all his seeming certainty, his vote moves around quite a bit) but the results were useless.
Anyway this is just a check in post. Hopefully tonight I'll have much more, but it might not be for a couple days. I'm having trouble keeping up with just my phone and no computer, but that will change soon. Sorry for my lurker status.
I'm damn near willing to vote just to end this day, but were not really that close on anyone, so whatever.
Surye wrote:ILobsterCatapult - 149 like the scum reads with reasons, blank town reads okay early on. 184 is unnessicarily hostile, flavor request is legit. 193 is confusing as hell, is amrum scummy or townie? 230 is not great, the amrum scum read still makes no sense to me, and feels omgus to me here. Gets worse in 243. 257, total fluff, even the quicklynch stuff, there's something going on on a D1 lynch? Duh. 262 is a decent response to amrum's points. Do not like suggesting Rei would be a safeclaim, or worse, a fakeclaim. At all.
Read leaning scum.
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Candle Jack wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LC, I have asked you about your level of knowledge of Evangelion. Respond or else.
- Tar
sorry must have missed that
i watched the anime (or most episodes) a long time ago. i remember rei, shinji and asuka were the main characters/eva users and worked for nerv the like, preventers of the attacks on neo-tokyo. i remember other angels coming down and attacking tokyo and they fought them. i remember it was really confusing, shinji has serious daddy issues, and the ending was weird monlogues then like a party or something. i remember i liked the major girl with the long dark hair who got drunk a bunch. kisuragi? rei was pretty unemotional, shinji whined all the time, and asuka was aggro. remember asuka was randomly in a bathtub in a destroyed house.
so i dont remember too much other than random details and the really main characters, and the begining plot.
I see. Followup question:
ace5993 wrote:Yeah lynchinga Rei claimday 1 is dumb. I don't think you need to go into intense setup speculation to figure out that lynching a claim of the most popular character in the source material right at the start of the game is stupid. He shouldn't claim his ability right now if scum knowing the ability lessens it's effect.
LobsterCatapult, post 516 wrote:and i think him being so vehement on not lynching "a rei" d1 could be determental
Note the difference in the bolded parts of the above posts. Lobster: Is this difference intentional?
(Yes, this is going somewhere.)
Surye wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:Surye wrote:ILobsterCatapult - 149 like the scum reads with reasons, blank town reads okay early on. 184 is unnessicarily hostile, flavor request is legit. 193 is confusing as hell, is amrum scummy or townie? 230 is not great, the amrum scum read still makes no sense to me, and feels omgus to me here. Gets worse in 243. 257, total fluff, even the quicklynch stuff, there's something going on on a D1 lynch? Duh. 262 is a decent response to amrum's points. Do not like suggesting Rei would be a safeclaim, or worse, a fakeclaim. At all.
Read leaning scum.
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where in the fuck did you get the idea that not only was i the ONLY proponant of considering stevies claim may not be legit. but even PROPOSING it at all?
why didnt you bring up gw's 362, icerints 399, volkans 404, icerints 409, or even tajo's 415.
in fact, there are still a considerable amount of people who are/were not satisfied with his claim afterwards. and why is this a scumtell? why dont you like it? when someone claims its good for town to debate whether they think its credible or not, especially d1! and especially if they just claim flavor.
but, the CLOSEST i got to proposing it was in fact a safeclaim/fakeclaim was when i mentioned ive played games before where the popular characters have been safeclaims, and in that same post i said it'd be fruitless to discuss it except in conjunction with stevies play. but i never flat out said that it was a safeclaim/fakeclaim. ive been actually taking the opposite stance.
Where did I say you were the only one? You put only in all caps... like that is a core part of what I said. There were other mentions of it, but your soft wishy washy stance while suggesting it's a softclaim (saying that because it's flavor, it should be discounted when evaluating him, to me, says that the role claim is not legit, or a safeclaim).
Candle Jack wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LC, I have asked you about your level of knowledge of Evangelion. Respond or else.
- Tar
sorry must have missed that
i watched the anime (or most episodes) a long time ago. i remember rei, shinji and asuka were the main characters/eva users and worked for nerv the like, preventers of the attacks on neo-tokyo. i remember other angels coming down and attacking tokyo and they fought them. i remember it was really confusing, shinji has serious daddy issues, and the ending was weird monlogues then like a party or something. i remember i liked the major girl with the long dark hair who got drunk a bunch. kisuragi? rei was pretty unemotional, shinji whined all the time, and asuka was aggro. remember asuka was randomly in a bathtub in a destroyed house.
so i dont remember too much other than random details and the really main characters, and the begining plot.
I see. Followup question:
ace5993 wrote:Yeah lynchinga Rei claimday 1 is dumb. I don't think you need to go into intense setup speculation to figure out that lynching a claim of the most popular character in the source material right at the start of the game is stupid. He shouldn't claim his ability right now if scum knowing the ability lessens it's effect.
LobsterCatapult, post 516 wrote:and i think him being so vehement on not lynching "a rei" d1 could be determental
Note the difference in the bolded parts of the above posts. Lobster: Is this difference intentional?
(Yes, this is going somewhere.)
well, to me, stevie could have claimed either one of the most popular characters, like asuka, shinji or rei, and i still would have questioned it since i think even the most popular roles that are town aligned could be a safeclaim. i think automatically ruling them out of a safeclaim could be deterimental to town because we need to think about his pots, his case, how he claimed, in conjunction to the claim itself to really critically think. to rule out that rei could be a safeclaim would be not thinking about all the angles.
um, after writing this, i realized i prolly misread what you were asking. it wasn't intentional, i dont remember why i left out the word claim. it was either because stevie wasn't/isn't confirmed to be rei, or i was lazy. probably both.
Okay, good to know.
I'd rather not explain exactly what sparked this exchange just yet. Let me mull.
On the other hand, LC's defense of his wagon is looking increasingly newbtown to me.
And since I think the hydra should be moving off LC anyways, let's throw a vote out there that I think will be the most productive one we can throw down. Amrun wagon needs to happen. (Not 100% on Amrun being scum, but 100% on being informative.)
Unvote, Vote: Amrun
StevieT92 wrote:EBWOP: Also I called for LC to claim because I thought she was at l-2. not l-4.
Kast wrote:@Spyrex-
I'd guess scum exist within the bloc in the same ratio that they exist in any randomly selected sample of players. I don't have any particular scum reads on individual members of your/LLD's proclaimed town bloc; most of you have been playing in a pretty neutral/null range.
I specifically named LLD because she is blatantly exemplifying all the negative aspects of any self-declared townie-voting-bloc and is one of the ardent attack dogs of anyone who even hints at disagreement. I'm specifically addressing LLD more in depth than others because she posted a blatantly untrue and clearly unthought through WTF?!?! dismissal of my catch up post. Then instead of being honest and admitting her mistake, she tried pushing BS misrepresentations and anti-town stalling/distractions.
Does that mean she is scum? Not necessarily. She certainly hasn't been as scummy as ace, LC, Noc, or Malthusis. What I've pointed out is more secondary tells; identification of what could potentially be scummy behavior but does not in and of itself indicate that LLD is particularly likely to be scum. I also want to be clear that LLD is NOT the sole participant in such behavior. Part of my focus on LLD is simply a penchant for engaging people who try to engage with BS.
That reminds me to post/update my lynch preference ordering (entries within each heading do not indicate ordinal preference)
Preferred Lynch:
Nocmen
ace5993
LobsterCatapult
malthusis
Acceptable Lynch:
Candle Jack
Lady Lambdadelta
drewoftherushes
Ambivalent:
GreyICE
Antifinity
populartajo
Kawaii
Surye
Celebloki
ZeL1nK
Pomegranate
GhostWriter
Beats No Lynch:
vollkan
SpyreX
Iecerint
Starbuck
Amrun
StevieT92
Loses to No Lynch:If you have anyone in this category other than yourself or perhaps a mason buddy, then you're failing at mafia
Kast
P-Edit: @LC-
You are assigning a lot of motive to my posts that just isn't there and just isn't supported by what I've actually posted.
I'll try to take some time tomorrow to re-outline my reasons for suspecting you. At the moment, it's pretty similar to the thoughts I originally listed for why I listed you as probable scum. If you have an objection with me listing you as scum, please address the reasons I provided.
Candle Jack wrote:Its good to have SpyreX alive in a game!
~~~
Kawaii, vollkan, Starbuck, drew, malth, lobster: Your votes are best served elsewhere (or somewhere)
I'm behind the Kast wagon as well. I'll give some original shinning thoughts on the matter, but I agree with most of what has been said. The only thing that might be worrisome is the fact the wagon is growing like a bacteria colony, five votes on this page while other wagons were much slower off the ground.
~~~
The walls are coming. Less walls people.
Amrun wrote:Like 5 pages of catchup, and my LC vote is still as golden as ever.
Malthusis is probably SK, but we can give him a night... Although I don't see how that will help, really, as if he is really SK, he will have a shot and we'll have to give like 3 nights to truly test. Kast put him back at L-1, btw.
vollkan, what is your actual stance on Candle Jack?
malthusis wrote:Candle Jack wrote:
Care to explain exactly why you areabout being a Mason with me?LYING
Unvote, Vote: GreyICE
No town player would lie about being masons with another, and I'm far more inclined to believe Tar then you.Unvote, Vote Greyice
malthusis wrote:There's just something about Stevie's playstyle that seems to really clash with playstyle scum should have. Normally scum either stay in the weeds and try to appear inconspicious, or try to appear really pro-town to help manipulate lynches. Stevie seems to have tried to be helpful to the town by trying to making a case on someone, but seemed to trip on his own feet somewhere in saying it. If he was scum, why wouldn't have he just backed away as soon as he started messing up instead of just making more mistakes? He also seems to ignore defending himself, which makes more sense for a townie player then a scum player.
I also have good gut feeling that this is probably a mislynch, but unless Stevie has one hell of a claim (and now, don't do any retarded stalling!) I won't mind him being lynched at all.
Nocmen wrote:I considered a Kast lynch, but I still don't know for certain. I don't know the odds of there being a second role targetting the Magi.
Would there be a second role that has interactions with the same role?
SpyreX wrote:What?
WHAT?
I could be infected and that could be what spawned all this.
However, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I am town and if I'm going to die I want to die AS TOWN and a.) let this get cleared out and b.) be town because I think we can win this.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:CJ is a DAY COP.
Here are the facts.
1) Stevie says "I got a PM saying Spy is an angel".
2) CJ already has inhibitions about Spy
3) CJ was confirmed to live through the night and have a cop investigation the next day.
With this set of facts, it is HIGHLY likely that scum could have an ability to frame SpyreX. This whole "lolIgotapm" business is bogus. Stevie is likely aligned with the scum, and they told him to say this to save his own ass.
Besides, bulletproof is a scum claim. 1-shot Unlynchable BP? Not a chance in he'll.
Candle Jack wrote:Lobster wrote:but perhaps not fabricated by stevie, but the scum team used their ability on him.
What ability are you talking about here like it is a fact?
Lobster wrote:only thing that i think is weird is the one shot unlynchable....hmm...last time i played a game with a governor it ended up pretty wonky. idk ill have to think about all this.
Can you explain what is 'weird' and what happened that made the game 'wonky'? Keep in mind, this isn't a governor role, rather a one shot self reviver with no alignment flip until the second death (!)
StevieT92 wrote:Pomegranate wrote:I think tomorrow we should look back atvollkan's stuff, depending on the flip and whatnot.
And zellink, he was really wishy washy today.
Candle Jack wrote:GreyICE wrote:Yep mason is scum. Other one needs to claim right now.
Uh, Nocmen claimed on page 5. It's just that nobody noticed.
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So, we have guaranteed scum in Vollkan (knew we should have sent the daycop his way instead of at SpySpy) and in Nocmen (recruited, Iruel, daycop + bulletproof?). Which one to lynch today?
Vote: Vollkanfor now, could go for either.