Prozacs Basic Theme 3 - GAME OVER

[scooby]

I hadn't realized this game started. Sorry Prozac. I'm rereading now.

[scooby]

Ok,

TOWNIER THAN TOWN
1.

Flameaxe

2.

Blackberry

4.

Oman

8.

Katsuki

10.

Ellibereth

16.

Fate

MEH
5.

xRECKONERx

7.

xvart

9.

CSL

11.

Nocmen

13.

David Xanatos

18.

Parabollocks

20.

Oversoul

DIESCUMDIESUCKDIESCUMDIEDIEDSACK
3.

StrangerCoug

12.

Dramonic

14.

Bogre

15.

The Jakalope

17.

Bunnylover

19.

Mykonian

tl,dr, a lot of people needs to die.

Bogre should claim in next post.

In the meanwhile

Vote: mykonian.

for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

[scooby]

OH MAN LOOK HOW SCUMMY I AM

So you knew you were not supposed to be doing that. Can we have reasons why you did vote bogre?

And why did you unvote Bogre when he's on L-1 before a claim?

Because I did like the wagon, but it isn't my preferred lynch. So I see no reason to force a claim which might not help us at all.

What is this? There are 10 people voting Bogre and somehow you don't think a clam might not help because he is not your "preferred" lynch?

Someone vig this clown.

[scooby]

In the meanwhile

Vote: mykonian.

for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

Well, I know for a fact your vote fails. Please explain to me why voteparking isn't a tell. (or what kind of definition you have when you use that word)

I don't see the scum motivation. Maybe you can ellaborate why you think it's a tell?.

Let's assume Nocmen is town. Why would Reckscum insist on the wagon with a so-so case when it disintegrated and when there were like million other places to vote?

[scooby]

You claimhappy people. You learn it in the newby games: don't claim when unnecessary, it will only help scum. Running one up who I don't want to lynch counts.

Reck and you just prove the point. Idiots who think that lots of people on a wagon means that there has to be an L-1 claim. It's stupid and pointless. You claim when there is somebody willing to hammer.

Wow, you are dumb.

The game is likely going to stall and get disorganized if Bogre doesn't claim. It took a lot of effort to get to this point and you think it's useless. A claim is exactly what we need right now to force Bogre make a decision. It either sucks or it's believable. If sucks, lynch. If it's believable, then analyse the wagon. Get another suspect, force people to make stances, etc.

There are so many things a claim can do.

Also I'm willing to hammer.

Try again?

[scooby]

Hammering without a claim is retarded.

Whoever does it, gets my eternal RAGE.

[scooby]

Yep, even if Bogre flips mafia.

[scooby]

Vote: mykonian.

[scooby]

I just wish this wagon gets to claim range asap and myko can claim and depending of the claim we lynch or we get another wagon.

Fate should also stop wasting our time (the wagon is sooner or later going to hit claim range) and claim if myko should stay alive, etc.

There are a lot of scummy people alive (I'm basically paranoid about everyone). And I think 3-4 of them depend on wether myko is town or scum.

@Noc, you barely mentioned me in day 1. What happened today that made you consider voting for me over other options?

[scooby]

@Mykonian: How the fuck is claiming an antitown thing? Do you think not claiming would have prevented your lynch?

Ok, two very solid players claim masons. Either they are town and die in the short term or they are scum and somehow they misteriously don't die. I'm going with prob town just because the claim is risky as fuck. This only means one thing.

Vote: dramonic.

pedit: lol he alredy voted me.

[scooby]

UPDATE

TOWNIER THAN TOWN

1.

Flameaxe

2.

Blackberry

4.

Oman

8.

Katsuki

10.

Ellibereth

16.

Fate

- pending verification in the longrun
19.

Mykonian

- pending verification in the longrun

MEH
5.

xRECKONERx

7.

xvart

9.

CSL

11.

Nocmen

13.

David Xanatos

18.

Parabollocks

20.

Oversoul

DIESCUMDIESUCKDIESCUMDIEDIEDSACK
3.

StrangerCoug

12.

Dramonic

14.

Bogre

15.

The Jakalope

17.

Bunnylover

[scooby]

Myk: the reason why I was on your wagon was because I thought you were scum. Your attack against reck didn't look sincere to me and looked elaborated. (we discussed this on day 1; re: voteparking, which I still don't think is a scumtell)

I think only one of reck and dramonic is scum.

They are basically too conected to be a scumteam. And I think dram is scummier than reck, so yeah the owl should die.

pedit:
1. being solid has nothing to do with alignment.
2. what do you mean bussing?

[scooby]

Go ahead and ellaborate.

I'm waiting you for trying to explain how that is scum motivated.

[scooby]

That was to dramonic.

I do have opinions on other players. I just haven't voiced then.
I might once I'm out of class.

So let me get things clear. Before my 420 you had another suspects, yeah?

[scooby]

It seems illogic to vote me for a post (420) if supposedly you had another suspects day 1.

So either he is lying or he is too scared to make cases against people. In both cases he needs to die.

[scooby]

jackalope parabollock and DX

Why these guys?

Also lists are mostly meaningless. Except when they show apparent scumminess like how he put you and Fate on his.

EDIT: THat's blatantly false. It's possible, even plausible, that my suspicions adjust to how people react to events occuring in the game. Your reaction, for example, is trying to set up a future lynch on Myko/Fate. It's scummier than Jackalope's VIness or DX's fence-sitting

How THE FUCK am I trying to set up a future lynch on Myko/Fate?

Also explain how the first two lines of post 420 were scunmmy.

[scooby]

I understand what you are saying but dram needs rope asap.

What do you think about him?

[scooby]

jackalope parabollock and DX

Why these guys?

Also lists are mostly meaningless. Except when they show apparent scumminess like how he put you and Fate on his.

EDIT: THat's blatantly false. It's possible, even plausible, that my suspicions adjust to how people react to events occuring in the game. Your reaction, for example, is trying to set up a future lynch on Myko/Fate. It's scummier than Jackalope's VIness or DX's fence-sitting

How THE FUCK am I trying to set up a future lynch on Myko/Fate?

Also explain how the first two lines of post 420 were scunmmy.

[scooby]

Bunnylover is town.

We should lynch dramonic.

Not only he refuses to answer my questions. He has spent all day 1 and day 2 doing NOTHING.

Fate and myko, help me lynch this scumbag today.

[scooby]

I don't see the Katuski hate, tbh. Someone explain it to me?

[scooby]

You're trying to pull claims out of players and jump to the next wagon. Getting many claims a day is not good and helps scum, yet that's what you seem to be going for.

How can I be scum and help scum at the same time? Are you even reading what you post?
Claiming is the ultimate weapon to catch scum since it force scum to take a critical stance that extends through the whole game. I CAN'T BELIEVE you are trying to paint normal mafia play as scum play.

[quote="In post 514,
Also, "pending verification in the longrun" is just a scum way of saying "will lynch later". You're not even capable of taking a serious stance on a freakin mason claim.[/quote]
As compared to believing it without even thinking on it for a sec knowing it's coming from FATE?
I've taken an stance. I'm going with mason-town pending verification. The same way you verify how scummy a claimed power role that doesn't die in the longrun.
Did you know Fate has fakeclaimed mason before?
Haven't you seen scum fakeclaim power role before? Really?

Why is this scum still alive?

[scooby]

Fucking quotes.

You're trying to pull claims out of players and jump to the next wagon. Getting many claims a day is not good and helps scum, yet that's what you seem to be going for.

How can I be scum and help scum at the same time? Are you even reading what you post?
Claiming is the ultimate weapon to catch scum since it force scum to take a critical stance that extends through the whole game. I CAN'T BELIEVE you are trying to paint normal mafia play as scum play.

Also, "pending verification in the longrun" is just a scum way of saying "will lynch later". You're not even capable of taking a serious stance on a freakin mason claim.

As compared to believing it without even thinking on it for a sec knowing it's coming from FATE?
I've taken an stance. I'm going with mason-town pending verification. The same way you verify how scummy a claimed power role that doesn't die in the longrun.
Did you know Fate has fakeclaimed mason before?
Haven't you seen scum fakeclaim power role before? Really?

Why is this scum still alive?

[scooby]

What is normal play, then, mykonian?

Lynch without claims?

PS: How does scum know who fakeclaimed?

[scooby]

I don't see how a disagreement on theory makes me scummier than dram but ohwell. (Am I an idiot or am I scum? )

Also what meta are you talking about?

Tell me, what the hell do you do when someone is scummy as fuck and gets to claim range? Well, that's right, CLAIM. When I suspect people and I push them to claim range, the ONLY THING that can avoid a lynch is a provable claim. THAT'S WHY ASKING FOR A CLAIM IS NOT SCUMMY, IS NORMAL PLAY.

I don't get what's the scummy thing of my position when it's been standard play in the games I've played and read.

[scooby]

wait a second...

Elli made you think it was normal, didn't he? Oh that would just be brilliant. And now, convinced that you aren't allowed to be wrong, you play the experienced player who knows what "normal" play is, don't you.

Just, if this is true, please admit it in endgame. The story would be just too amazing. I bet it could net you a title.

Who the FUCK is Elli?

[scooby]

Also, what happened to reck/dram scum? Am I seriously scummier than them?

[scooby]

Seriously? That's a stupid semantics argument. Of course if I push people to claim, is because I want them lynched. Do you read what you post?

Deflecting is not a scumtell. Do you think dramonic is town?

[scooby]

Seriously? That's a stupid semantics argument. Of course if I push people to claim, is because I want them lynched. Do you read what you post?

Deflecting is not a scumtell.

Do you think dramonic is town?

*blinks* so the excuse worked with your mother? "but he did it too!". Mothers are damned good scumhunters on their children.

and no, it isn't a semantics argument. There is a huge difference between wanting claims and wanting a lynch.

You are implying I wanted claims of people that I didn't suspect and want them lynched. Please point me to where I wanted claims of people I didn't suspect and want them lynched.

Deflecting is not a scumtell. I've seen town do it. Man, I've done it regardless of alignment. Please update your theoretical scumtells.

[scooby]

I just wish this wagon gets to claim range asap and myko can claim and depending of the claim we lynch or we get another wagon.

Why are you talking about another wagon here already? And why were there never reasons for that vote on me?

Why do I see 3 parts of this sentence going about claims and only one about the lynch?

Reading is tech;

Myk: the reason why I was on your wagon was because I thought you were scum. Your attack against reck didn't look sincere to me and looked elaborated. (we discussed this on day 1; re: voteparking, which I still don't think is a scumtell)

I think only one of reck and dramonic is scum.

They are basically too conected to be a scumteam. And I think dram is scummier than reck, so yeah the owl should die.

[scooby]

I still don't get how a disagreement on mafia theory and a semmantics argument make me scummier than the people that were viciously asking for your lynch yesterday and doing nothing else than that.

Also what meta were you talking about?

[scooby]

Uhm, can I have a link to a post where you did that? I would really like to see a town deflection. (still, did that really work with your mother?)

Here is a recent one I was part of. Reck was town.

Fuck it, vig me and let me wash my hands of this infernal game. (..) and the rest of the game there's been a slow pressure build on me without a single shred of logic or reason.

Now Maruchan has suddenly joined the OH YEAH VIG RECK party? hahahahahahahaha Maruchan has said NOTHING about me the ENTIRE game. even scooby's bullshit REK DINT CATCH SCUMZ ON PAYGE TREE reasoning is at least reasoning; come now, Maruchan, why am I scum?

[scooby]

Fate: outing power roles is not a consequence of people joining the wagon and asking for claims. It's a consequence of mykonian acting scummy as fuck . You fucking know it.

I don't plan to vote katsuki until I get my dram lynch. Deal with it. OR FUCKING LYNCH ME if you want.

Dram: you are scum and an idiot. You are implying I wanted claims of people I don't suspect. Learn to read. Also, you know Fate fakeclaims all the time. Yet you buy the claim of the ONLY suspect you pushed at DAY 1.

[scooby]

You have 5 mins, maybe less, to give me a PARAGRAPH on WHY myko was scummy as fuck and earned your vote.


Go.

Will do when I get home. If you think you should vote me for doing it in less minutes that you WANT, then go for it.

[scooby]

You asked for Fate to claim and for Myko to claim. I don't see your Fate suspicion.

Don't play RETARDED. Fate was clearly implying he had role information regarding Mykotown.

[scooby]

You still owe me a link to a town deflection of yours.

I don't plan to out my alt.

I already showed that recktown deflected to maruchan when he started to be suspected.

[scooby]

and btw, that`s not deflection =_=

Explain why because that clearly is recktown deflecting to maruchan when he started to get suspected.

[scooby]

And all this while? You're letting Katsuki fucking COAST out of pressure and the spotlight, when he's been on site and done SWEET. FUCK. ALL.

But you REFUSE to vote him even after your reads have been shown to be shit.

That's a logical fallacy. Not because I've been wrong once, I'm wrong all the time.

So because you were wrong about Bofre, you are wrong about every new thing you say?

What is this? Fucking ROAD TO ROME?

Dramonic is scummier than katsuki. You fucking lynch dramonic today or me. Pick one.

[scooby]

Blame mykonian.

[scooby]

And you didn't back OFF when it was fucking CLEAR.

No you said "stop wasting our TIME fate and LOCK DOWN how you knwo Myko is town"

And I'll lynch you for just fucking that, regardless of whether I think you're town or not.

Now, this case better be fucking gold. Because you went from "TROLOL MYKO CLAIM NAO" to "well the people pushing mykos lynch are scummy as fuck, dram/reck"

That's thinking progression. If new information is brought to the table, then you reevaluate stuff. If your scum suspect somehow becomes likely town, then IT'S OBVIOUS people that were viciously pushing for his lynch are likely scum.

Fucking lynch me if you wish. I'm sick of this herpderp arguments.

[scooby]

You still owe me a link to a town deflection of yours.

I don't plan to out my alt.

I already showed that recktown deflected to maruchan when he started to be suspected.

Even DRAM could tell that wasnt fucking deflection. He said "Fine VIG me, Maru's scum"

YOU are saying "BUTBUT WHY ARENT RECK/DRAM SCUMMIER THAN ME?"

Ok, I'll say it as you HERPDERPS want it me to do.

Fine, LYNCH ME, Dram is scum.

Is this good enough or should I read my semmantics-war book again=?

[scooby]

You still owe me a link to a town deflection of yours.

I don't plan to out my alt.

I already showed that recktown deflected to maruchan when he started to be suspected.

Well, that turned out to be a useless claim then, I guess?

He gave reasons why maru was scum. You ask "why not reck or dram" knowing they are my top scumreads. I can see the difference.

I've given reasons why dram is scum. Iso me, it's not that hard.

It just seems illogical to me that you vote me for a pointless debate while discarding all the things that you said day 1 about dram and reck.

[scooby]

That's thinking progression. If new information is brought to the table, then you reevaluate stuff. If your scum suspect somehow becomes likely town,

then IT'S OBVIOUS people that were viciously pushing for his lynch are likely scum.

Fucking lynch me if you wish. I'm sick of this herpderp arguments.

THEY WERE ON YOUR SCUMLIST, FOR GODS SAKE.

seriously, why the hell were you on that rocketwagon, straight out of the gates, when two of your top scumreads are on it and there is really no chance that scum are going to bus.

What part of I SUSPECTED YOU, I WANTED TO LYNCH YOU, I WANTED YOU TO CLAIM you don't get?

Why wouldn't scum bus on this situation? Are you seriously that dumb?

[scooby]

I'm meh about Kats.

The only post that makes me think Kats is not scum is this one:

EHEHEHAHAEHEAHAHHAH

YOU COULDN'T RESIST THIS GAME COULD YOU
GUESS WHO'S SCUM GUYS?

VOTE: FATE

If Kats were scum, why would he try to imply fake a guilty result on you? Doesn't this sound more like herdperp, I'm such a gambitter scumhunter?

[scooby]

Yeah, it's pretty common for scum to tunnel their buddy at the break of dawn and push like a maniac

If the wagon is going sky rocket, then I don't see why a competent scumpartner couldn't bus to try to gain town cred.

But you are scum, and you are trying to paint everything I say as scummy, and failing HARD at the attempt.

[scooby]

...
Yeah, giant rocket wagon on Myko day 1!

I am talking about the skyrocket wagon Myko day 2.

I don't remember a wagon against Myko day 1.

[scooby]

I've given reasons why dram is scum. Iso me, it's not that hard.

It just seems illogical to me that you vote me for a pointless debate while discarding all the things that you said day 1 about dram and reck.

"why not reck or dram in stead of me" doesn't have anything to do with reck or dram in such a situation. It's the instead of me part that is important.

As I said, I don't see how "instead of me" is scum motivated since it looks like a perfect null and normal reaction from someone that is attacked for a crap argument and wants the other player dead.

[scooby]

tl;dr
>myko thinks dram is scum
>scooby thinks dram is scum because he has spent all day 1 attacking him and defending reck
>myko think scooby is scum because of "theory debate" and pushing something he thinks is antitown.
>scooby wonders: why am I scummier than him?
>myko: OMG deflecting.

[scooby]

Sigh.

This town is full of derpfucks that think one liners are cool and dandy. And the scumbags are hidden between them.

I hate it when I don't trust anybody.

[scooby]

Re: myko case pre-mason claim.
- His first post is terrible and feels fake as fuck. If that was a smug intent to look cool, it didn't work.
- Post 122:

that's odd. My reckdar is bleeping.
scum again?

unvote vote reck

Fate, we can get another scum to claim. And then we hammer. Because you know just as well as I do that Kat is really town.

Voting reck for "reckdar bleeping". (Now that I think about it, mykonian is a fucking hypocrite for calling me scum for getting claims of people).
What caught my attention is that he never explained his vote until dram asked. Even there, he went lolmysterious:

You assume too much. Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw),

I agree that wagon hopping is not a tell. In the same vein, why would vote parking be a tell? (He actually explained that he voted reck for voteparking aprox.150 posts later and only when he was starting to get shit for the lame attack). In fact, theoretical scumtells suck to the bones and are a refuge for experienced scumbags trying to lynch people.

So yeah, that was basically it.

[scooby]

Oman, why do you think dram is town?

[scooby]

Mod, I'm not voting myko. I'm voting dram. Vote: dramonic, just in case.

[scooby]

unvote, vote Nocmen

There is a lot of scumtells towards scooby, and he's chasing wagons. He's felt off for a while, but I want to chase it now. I think he's scum, and I think scooby is his partner.

Why do you think this?

[scooby]

TL;DR Around the part made red I show how scooby iso'ed me to make this case. He really had no clue why he was voting me.

Are you like serious here?

OF COURSE I'm going to have to iso to make that case. Do you seriously think I can quote you from the top of my mind?

Also, I said this very thing wheh I voted you for the first time.

Here, HAVE A LOOK:

In the meanwhile Vote: mykonian. for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

[scooby]

Myko, I'd like you to show me where you've caught scum for voteparking.

[scooby]

Can someone explain why DRAM IS TOWN?

[scooby]

Also, I said this very thing wheh I voted you for the first time.

Here, HAVE A LOOK:

In the meanwhile Vote: mykonian. for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

Can you stop being RETARDED?

[scooby]

OK, I'm done here. scooby is clearly making no effort to scumhunt.

I AM scumhunting. I AM defending myself from stupid attacks, like the ones you conveniently missed.

This attack is BY FAR is the worse, taking into account that half of the playerlist is posting one liners and DERPWAGONDERP.

Vote: StrangerCoug.

And FUCK OMGUS. Fuck it.

[scooby]

TOWNIER THAN TOWN
1.

Flameaxe

2.

Blackberry

4.

Oman

8.

Katsuki

10.

Ellibereth

16.

Fate

MEH
5.

xRECKONERx

7.

xvart

9.

CSL

11.

Nocmen

13.

David Xanatos

18.

Parabollocks

20.

Oversoul

DIESCUMDIESUCKDIESCUMDIEDIEDSACK
3.

StrangerCoug

12.

Dramonic

14.

Bogre

15.

The Jakalope

17.

Bunnylover

19.

Mykonian

tl,dr, a lot of people needs to die.

Bogre should claim in next post.

In the meanwhile

Vote: mykonian.

for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

Myk: the reason why I was on your wagon was because I thought you were scum. Your attack against reck didn't look sincere to me and looked elaborated. (we discussed this on day 1; re: voteparking, which I still don't think is a scumtell)

I think only one of reck and dramonic is scum.

They are basically too conected to be a scumteam. And I think dram is scummier than reck, so yeah the owl should die.

pedit:
1. being solid has nothing to do with alignment.
2. what do you mean bussing?

Fucking quotes.

You're trying to pull claims out of players and jump to the next wagon. Getting many claims a day is not good and helps scum, yet that's what you seem to be going for.

How can I be scum and help scum at the same time? Are you even reading what you post?
Claiming is the ultimate weapon to catch scum since it force scum to take a critical stance that extends through the whole game. I CAN'T BELIEVE you are trying to paint normal mafia play as scum play.

Also, "pending verification in the longrun" is just a scum way of saying "will lynch later". You're not even capable of taking a serious stance on a freakin mason claim.

As compared to believing it without even thinking on it for a sec knowing it's coming from FATE?
I've taken an stance. I'm going with mason-town pending verification. The same way you verify how scummy a claimed power role that doesn't die in the longrun.
Did you know Fate has fakeclaimed mason before?
Haven't you seen scum fakeclaim power role before? Really?

Why is this scum still alive?

Re: myko case pre-mason claim.
- His first post is terrible and feels fake as fuck. If that was a smug intent to look cool, it didn't work.
- Post 122:

that's odd. My reckdar is bleeping.
scum again?

unvote vote reck

Fate, we can get another scum to claim. And then we hammer. Because you know just as well as I do that Kat is really town.

Voting reck for "reckdar bleeping". (Now that I think about it, mykonian is a fucking hypocrite for calling me scum for getting claims of people).
What caught my attention is that he never explained his vote until dram asked. Even there, he went lolmysterious:

You assume too much. Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw),

I agree that wagon hopping is not a tell. In the same vein, why would vote parking be a tell? (He actually explained that he voted reck for voteparking aprox.150 posts later and only when he was starting to get shit for the lame attack). In fact, theoretical scumtells suck to the bones and are a refuge for experienced scumbags trying to lynch people.

So yeah, that was basically it.

[scooby]

That's thinking progression. If new information is brought to the table, then you reevaluate stuff. If your scum suspect somehow becomes likely town, then IT'S OBVIOUS people that were viciously pushing for his lynch are likely scum.

Fucking lynch me if you wish. I'm sick of this herpderp arguments.

DIESCUMDIESUCKDIESCUMDIEDIEDSACK
3.

StrangerCoug

12.

Dramonic

14.

Bogre

15.

The Jakalope

17.

Bunnylover

19.

Mykonian

Also, "pending verification in the longrun" is just a scum way of saying "will lynch later". You're not even capable of taking a serious stance on a freakin mason claim.

As compared to believing it without even thinking on it for a sec knowing it's coming from FATE?
I've taken an stance. I'm going with mason-town pending verification. The same way you verify how scummy a claimed power role that doesn't die in the longrun.
Did you know Fate has fakeclaimed mason before?
Haven't you seen scum fakeclaim power role before? Really?

Why is this scum still alive?

DId you read my posts at least before voting for me?

[scooby]

OK, I'm done here. scooby is clearly making no effort to scumhunt.

UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: scooby

xvart is plausible as scum. I understand the case, but I have bigger suspects.

So when you made this attack, you had read my dramonic and my mikonian case, right?

[scooby]

Also, I said this very thing wheh I voted you for the first time.

Here, HAVE A LOOK:

In the meanwhile Vote: mykonian. for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)

Can you stop being RETARDED?

[scooby]

I missed the part where StrangerCoug became town. Care to enlighten me?

[scooby]

FIRST OF ALL:
Just because someone isn't being voted RIGH THIS FUCKIN SECOND, doesn't mean people think they are town. WE CAN ONLY LYNCH ONE PERSON AT A TIME DID YOU MISS THE FUCKING MEMO?

SECOND:
Stranger is probably town, he's ANOTHER person who's play style you don't know shit about, so SHUT UP AND SHEEP FOR AWHILE.

Last time you asked me to SHEEP Katsuki and you see how that ended, even though I TOLD you he was more likely a derpgambitter than a scumbag trying to discredit you.

I'm meh about xvart. I'm probably going to need to iso him since I bareluy remember he is on the game.

The fact that I can't get a wagon on dramonic even though he is scummy as FUCK and chainsawed MYKONIAN, who happens to be your mason partner, is pretty telling IMO.

[scooby]

Me neither. I hate when I don't trust anybody.

That last post means you are town, reck, though.

[scooby]

That's what I hate about the game. At this point, optimal play is to trust the masons but mykonian keeps acting like a SCUM FUCK and you keep saying dram is town without a decent argument I can analyse.

Meh, xvart iso done, nothing remarkably protown, last post is a bunch of lame attacks. Might as well do something valuable with my vote.

Unvote Vote: Xvart.

[scooby]

¬¬ We are 2011.

[scooby]

I dont play "like this" every time, actually.
And there's nothing about my play that would justify blacklisting <_<
You're being offensive again.

I still think Scooby is scum, that hop after fighting against Fate for so long is weak and not credible at all.

Think what you want. Pretty sure you would have painted any other action as scummy.

Nocmen: when THE FUCK did I vote Katsuki?

[scooby]

Are you like READING the game?

When did I paint Fate in a bad light?

[scooby]

I'm thinking the only way Bunnylover can be scum is in the remote scenario where Fate and mykonian are and somehow he knows they are trolling us.

I don't think town could be so agressive against claimed power roles. It brings so much negative attention. AND lolgambitmasonclaim has happened BEFORE so I can see where she can come from.

Ok, reck town, bunny town, kats town, fate and myko, ok town

[scooby]

EBWOP

I don't think

scum

could be so agressive against claimed power roles. It brings so much negative attention. AND lolgambitmasonclaim has happened BEFORE so I can see where she can come from.

[scooby]

Oman is either an hypocrite, a scumbag or both.

[scooby]

This. Fucking. Game.

I swear this game is an elaborate attempt to troll the fuck outta everyone.

^
I'm going to go with town reaction since this is my current stance and I don't see scum posting this kind of things.

[scooby]

CSL in the other hand has spent all the game doing scummy stuff. Is this a playstyle thing?

[scooby]

How THE FUCK am I xvart's buddy?

Nocmen, you better start making sense because I'm not liking anything recent from you.

Dramonic OTOH just become CONFIRMED SCUM.

dramonic, why did you kill him?

Lol at scum thinking trekker had information regarding dramonic.

VOTE: DRAMONIC

[scooby]

I DON'T SEE anything remarkable protown from trekker other than that "breadcrumb". So, let's do it.

[scooby]

Is this better now DRAMONIC?

How THE FUCK am I xvart's buddy?

Nocmen, you better start making sense because I'm not liking anything recent from you.

Dramonic OTOH just become CONFIRMED SCUM.

dramonic, why did you kill him?

Lol at (any kind of anitown role) thinking trekker had information regarding dramonic.

VOTE: DRAMONIC

[scooby]

BUNNY IS TOWN.

[scooby]

...
The person Trekker accuses me of killing.
And the way Trekker died...
Are clearly from different sources.
Let's assume for a second mafia killed Trekker to frame me. Since trekker flipped VT, his accusation on me had no founding and thus cannot be used as any form of evidence against me.

No, your argument is still awful.

No.

A random guy who wasn't CONSIDERED TOWN by anyone "BREADCRUMBS" information implicating you. It doesn't matter if he was gambitting or not. Antitown players had no way to know this.

That random guy misteriously dies on the night.

The fact that he flipped VT has NOTHING TO DO with the reason why he was killed, which is VERY LIKELY that scum thought he was a POWER ROLE.

[scooby]

I don't know what makes Bunny scum in this situation when SHE HAS ALREADY SEEN FATE FAKECLAIM MASON BEFORE.

[scooby]

I'm not scum, therefore I can't be protesting to Nocmen.

The change of tone is caused by the fact that:

a) I'm annoyed because people keep posting one lines without backing up their accusations. I was not directly annoyed with Nocmen.

b) Nocmen was not doing this before.

These kinds of subjective accusations can be explained with more that "insincere sequence of senteces". You should also ponder that I'm not a native speaker.

Also

Hi everyone.
I'm still reading the game, but I'll catch up soon. Probably during night phase, since that looks imminent.

Did you manage to read the whole game before that vote?

[scooby]

It has gone to neutral to slight scummy. I can't speak for what Nocmen does but I'm thinking Nocmen is attacking dram because his reaction to trekker's gambit is off. Which is related to my case about dramonic being responsible of the trekker kill.

Re: reading the game. What are your opinions on other players? What do you think of my case against dramonic?

[scooby]

The general idea I'm trying to get accross is that who he claimed I killed and who killed him dont share flavour at all.

Wait, how do you know which flavor belongs to who?

[scooby]

Let me illustrate the dramonic case:

trekker is not remarkably protown, post one lines and is very stupid.

However, he posts this:

dramonic, why did you kill him?

What are you referring to?

the man who died in the night phase.

Ok, we know NOW that trekker is VANILLA, but assume for a second you were scum reading that post. Doesn't this sound like a power role breadcrumbing information about dramonic?

Scum couldn't know trekker was "bluffing". Scum bought the bluff and killed him in the night.

[scooby]

However, I do think Dramonic killed the man in the night phase during Night 1 and that he became concerned that Trekker had seen it. Not because he's scum. Because he's the SK. That's why there's the "You can't know I'm scum!" non-denial crap and half-hearted defense, because he's now drawn attention to himself and any pro-town investigators are going to ruin his chances of winning.

Please feel free to pick apart my logic and tell me where I've made mistakes or overlooked things.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

Banshee, THAT was exactly my point but you lost me in semantics.

I think the problem is that when I talk about "scum" I talk about any kind of antitown-roles, not only mafia. We don't know there is a SK in the setup. The "knife" method can mean a second scumgroup. I could even be more strict and say that "shot" could be the SK method or even a VIG. Or flavor could mean nothing.

The thing is that the core of my accusation is that a player that was not considered town by anyone died = trekker. Why would he die then? So I isolated him and found that he had (falsely) breadcrumbred that he had information imcriminating dramonic. But scum couldn't know he was bluffing. So they thought that he was a power role. And killed him.

[scooby]

The general idea I'm trying to get accross is that who he claimed I killed and who killed him dont share flavour at all.

Wait, how do you know which flavor belongs to who?

[scooby]

If you were scum and someone says he has information regarding you, despite of you telling the truth or not, which at the same time you could not know, would you kill him or not?

[scooby]

I think dramonic should claim.

[scooby]

If you were scum and someone says he has information regarding you, despite of you telling the truth or not, which at the same time you could not know, would you kill him or not?

If I were scum and someone said they had information on me, I would kill the claimed PR even though that's a sacrifice play. (People would then definitely know I was guilty.)

However, if I were town and someone said they had information on me, I would not be able to kill them even if I wanted to. But scum would also see that and, not knowing if I were third-party or second-scum group, might kill the claimed PR themselves and count on the town to take me out for them tomorrow.

See the problem with the big assumption you're making?

@MODPorochaz:

I still don't see what you're getting at; I get that flavour doesn't matter, and if the method isn't separate either then I don't think we can separate out kills by their separate groups. It's just new to me not to be able to tell which group committed which kill even if you knew there were multi-groups or scum and SK or whatever. By which I mean, separating kills by "shot", "stabbed", or whatever regardless of other flavour touches. If the same scum group factional kill can look like shot, cut to pieces, smothered with a giant feather boa, or kissed to death by Delilah the Kissing Bandit, there's no way to separate them out by different groups or kill types. And that was all I meant.

[scooby]

I have no idea why 844 posted a quote from Banshee instead

[scooby]

I have no idea why 844 posted a quote from Banshee instead of what I was trying to say.

[scooby]

So I guess this boils down on which is most likely:

a) Dramonic who thought that was caught or thought that trekker was a power role.

b) Someone else who is trying to frame dramonic.

[scooby]

So by this new piece of information, it means that the only way dramonic can be scum is if somehow trekker guessed that he killed Flameaxe night 1.

Which only means one thing:

Unvote
Vote: Nocmen

[scooby]

dramonic, why did you kill him?

What are you referring to?

the man who died in the night phase.

Which one? Please explain more.

This reeks of scum trying to get an advatange of trekker gambit.

[scooby]

If we assume that Nocmen is scum and you are town, then Nocmen knew you couldn't have killed anyone in the night phase. This feels like Nocmen knew that and that tried to both make trakker claim that someone who isn't scum made the kill.

[scooby]

WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYONE?

Mod, plz prod people or start replacing them.

[scooby]

That would mean less kills at night, which gives us instantly more

mislynches

.

Mmmmm.

[scooby]

That would mean less kills at night, which gives us instantly more

mislynches

.

Mmmmm.

Oh you noob. And I say this never in a insulting way, but I definately mean it this time.

The less shots there are at night, the more opportunities town has at day to lynch scum. Usually this is counted in the amount of times you can be wrong from then on. The amount of mislynches you have left. Docs have the opportunity to increase that number, just as lynching an entire antitown faction will do.

Plus that you are manipulating this stuff by for once not posting anything but just bolding one word.

vote scooby

lol u mad

[scooby]

Who the fuck cares why isn't BunnyLover dead yet.

Scooby you sheeped me yesterday

We lynched scum

Would you shut the fuck up with this Dram lynch already

I'm not even voting Dram anymore.

I don't think Bunny is scum. His paranoia is at least justified, because he saw you doing it in another game AS SCUM.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[scooby]

That would mean less kills at night, which gives us instantly more

mislynches

.

Mmmmm.

Oh you noob. And I say this never in a insulting way, but I definately mean it this time.

The less shots there are at night, the more opportunities town has at day to lynch scum. Usually this is counted in the amount of times you can be wrong from then on. The amount of mislynches you have left. Docs have the opportunity to increase that number, just as lynching an entire antitown faction will do.

Plus that you are manipulating this stuff by for once not posting anything but just bolding one word.

vote scooby

lol u mad

Yep. Being stupid is no offence. Manipulation is.

Seriously, you thought you could sell that I wanted to mislynch people?

I misunderstood. Sorry.

[scooby]

I want links to both these games.

Bunny, please link me to the game where Fate fakeclaimed masons.

And Jakalope or Banhsee, please link me to the game where Jakalope played with a mega busser scum.

CSL and Ellibereth SHOULD replace the fuck out if they are town. Have some respect, guys.

Mod, can we force replace them?

[scooby]

What kind of interaction is acceptable, Porochaz?

Bunny
you're an idiot

phone
timeposttommor

FATE DO THE ELLI LINK AND I'LL SHEEP TOO TIRED TO SEARCH ANYTHING

skeptical hippos
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 3&sr=posts

Vote: xvart

antiprod catchup here after one other game

/back from V/LA etc.

Vote: bunny

fate sheep for now
More important crap i need to sort out.

This is Elli's latest posts.

If he is TOWN then he should replace out now.

[scooby]

As well as CSL.

I don't use meta because meta is shit.

Vote: Katsuki

OMGUS and bad response to a case.

Unvote

if I was voting

Vote: Nocmen

I'm going to read. So, yeah.

-grabs a 7 lb hammer-

Unvote; Vote: Bogre

Vote: mykonian

Unvote; Vote: Katsuki

I don't think Fate is bullshitting us.

HoS: Bunnylover

FoS: scooby

xvart, claim in your next vote. I am wielding a rather large hammer, so you better fess up.

HoS: scooby

I want him either shot tonight, or barbequed on the grill tomorrow.

Vote: xvart

-hands hammer to StrangerCoug-

I wanted this lynch anyways.

Vote: Bunny

FoS: scooby

You aren't town.

/prodded. I'm not going to be too active for a bit.

[scooby]

If I was scum, and Fate was my partner and he threw me under the bus like that? I'd be a very pissed goon. Fate isn't scum. Instead of defending yourself, you attack town. Wow.

Wait what?
Who did I attack (Unless your talking about Fate)?
What defense is their to be had? If I remember correctly this is whats happen so far:
1) Fate claim mason
2) I don't believe it, call Fate scum
3) Fate calls me scum
So where exactly can I defend myself?

@Scooby:
Here you go
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17688

Why isn't she dead yet?

Is this your anwer to that? Like seriously? When his town reaction was the

SAME

reaction to your FAKECLAIM?

Ok, I reread that game.

And anyone that still cares about winning this one SHOULD INMEDIATELY DO AS WELL.

I STRONGLY SUSPECT FATE IS SCUM IN THIS GAME.

There is NO REASON scum killed TREKKER or Apathetic RECK over Fate. NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL.

Unvote: Nocmen.
Vote: FATE.

[scooby]

dramonic still needs to go, and scooby's last post is making my read on him tilt back towards scum.

Did you read the game Bunnylover linked?

[scooby]

FUCK THIS GAME.

IM NOT LOSING TO FATESCUM AND TO A TOWN FULL OF DERP AND INACTIVITY.

PROZAC, REPLACE ME, IM SORRY

[scooby]

I COULD CARE LESS.

YOU ARE A LAZY ASS MOD THAT CAN'T EVEN UPDATE PAGE 1.

50% OF PEOPLE POSTING, EITHER POST ONE LINES OR KEEP POSTING ANTIPRODS. AND YOU, PROZAC, OF ALL THINGS, ARE THE PRINCIPAL GUILTY OF IT.

VOTE: ABANDONMENT.

[scooby]

First, not only I had to TOLERATE your INSULTS. I had to deal with your condescending ways. So you're being an asshole and a htpocrite here.

I actually care about winning this game. And I'm not only blaming Prozac. I can tolerate games where there is 1 or 2 people posting one lines. But practically everyone here has joined the DERP ONE LINE DERP LET'S LYNCH thing. And the people who don't do that are either LURKING or posting LOL I'LL POST LATER. And it ANNOYS me.

[scooby]

That was to mykonian btw.

And seriously Jakalope, fuck off, you are one of those players that think it's so cool to post one lines of NOTHING.

[scooby]

Hello, I'm TheJakalope, If you ever played with me then, I'm sorry. If you haven't, I'll be your VI for this game.

This was your FIRST post.

Shame on you.

[scooby]

To mykonian

First, not only I had to TOLERATE your INSULTS. I had to deal with your condescending ways. So you're being an asshole and a htpocrite here.

I actually care about winning this game. And I'm not only blaming Prozac. I can tolerate games where there is 1 or 2 people posting one lines. But practically everyone here has joined the DERP ONE LINE DERP LET'S LYNCH thing. And the people who don't do that are either LURKING or posting LOL I'LL POST LATER. And it ANNOYS me.

[scooby]

Banshee you are pretty cool and lovely and you were one of the reasons why I didn't do this before.

But I REALLY think both CSL and Ellibereth should AT LEAST both replaced.

This is respect. And this is something Prozac should do to maintain integrity.

[scooby]

PEDIT: Well, that was my last post, then. I don't hate you, Prozac. I just wish things were different. Good luck to all of you.

[scooby]

Just wanted to say FATE is a completely retarded asshole

ok

[scooby]

Myko only survived because DERPFATE claimed mason. He was scummy as hell. Balls my balls.

Im glad I replaced out because there was a lot of derp in this town.