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Vote: Amrun

Vote hopping scum.

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Actually,

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: kdowns

Real talk...

I think Reckoner is probably scum, and if I didn't have a guilty on MattP, I'd be voting him.

He tried to play off his slip on gchat, but I think it was done really awkwardly.

Reckoner's only scum when everyone in the game is calling him town, so he's probably town this game.

Amrun you investigated me? I'm fucking honored <3

This is a very awkward way to respond to Amrun's vote.

FoS

I haven't made up my mind about Amrun yet though.

Also just wanted to let you all know that I know the identity of one of the power roles in the game but *nananananannana I'm not revealing to anyone I don't 100% trust*

The point of saying this being...?

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Also, regarding communication stuff, (which I should have remembered to put in the post before ) I'm pretty unfamiliar with most of the sites so please bear with the newbness on my part. Also, I don't think I can receive calls from outside Aus, so didn't bother with the number, but if Espe has the urge to call me, he can ask I guess.

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can you explain this change of thought process a little more (either in the thread or just to me, don't care)?

The Amrun vote was a RVS-style vote, the kdowns vote isn't, and vote hopping is fun?

I'm undecided on Trollie. Will probably get back to you on that soon.

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Ack, I can't install the voice and video plugin for the google hangout thing on my comp and I gather that this is required? If people think it's a problem, I can try to get around it, but would rather not if it's not a big deal.

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TheTrollie:

(1) get these votes off of me right fucking now. if everyone is going to believe every little thing each person claims about our off-site convo we are screwed.

Firstly, if what MattP claimed was true, why did you say this? If what MattP claimed isn't true, why didn't you clarify what was true and what wasn't?

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Please answer my question, trollie.

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Actually also, what is your explanation for Matt's recent assertion that you've been avoiding talk of the game with him?

"i just tried to have a conversation with him about this game and he refused" doesn't count.

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I like the Amrun wagon better.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Amrun

die.

also not willing to put NS in the conftownvotingbloc

but i do think he's probably town

Why am I more town than NS?

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First reaction to Nuwen thing is that it seems decent. I probably have to think more about it though. Trollie seems like the place I'll end up landing my vote though for today. I'll think more soon.

By the way, I don't really use Aim/Skype for anything nowadays so if I'm online it most likely means I'm doing

uni work

nothing important so if you feel like

being interrogated by

chatting with me, you know what to do.

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Everyone seriously is confusing me now .-.

What is confusing you?

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I may actively boycott the voting bloc if it doesn't include me in it. I'll decide at the time.

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Are you assuming that Reck is scum then?

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So if Grimm can't be scum without Reck, but Reck can be scum without Grimm, why not vote Reck?

(Also why is Grimm not posting so significant?)

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I have no idea why he/Reck would do that as scum, but fair enough.

How trustworthy is Reck's read if Reck is town?

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They're all scum!!!!!!!!

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Played face to face mafia with the whole group earlier, he was giving shit away with his face.

Why would he not if he was scum here though?

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So MoS, hito, and Rec called Masons in google hangout awhile back. I call bullshit.

What do you mean exactly?

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Tech:

Hi! Was it you that just added me on skype?

Reck's attack on GI was stupid and not very believable considering that GI didn't actually do anything. Also his read on Grimm seems to indicate a severe lack of belief in Grimm's abilities as scum. He goes on to everyone about how Grimm is town, but the reason he ends up stating in thread is er... not good?

GI's lack of reaction to Reck's BS is also surprising, considering how quickly he insulted Matt earlier.

I think Trollie's really likely scum. I'm not following Matt blindly or anything. I don't really understand the sudden townreads.

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Nice job calling theTrollie scum but not dropping a vote there. Your vote is on kdowns. What use did this post provide?

What use would it have provided with a vote?

HI FROG

I don't feel like I need to point out why. This is one of those times where I'm sure any decent player* could pick up on why that last post makes Trollie town.


*not taking a dig at you, I just woke up and can't word that better

Please explain why he's town.

Also, I don't see why trollie can't explain things by posting?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He replaces out as scum (WITH LLD!!) here.

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Vote: TheTrollie

Amrun, would you rather lynch trollie before his replacement, or afterward?

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I don't know what to think anymore!

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Why would he be less likely to read your posts as scum?

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Yo, TeCh, did I mess up by not having you as one of the six?

It's not hard to swap us.

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I am really not emotionally handling this game very well, which surprises me a lot, actually. It's probably a coincidence that I feel emotionally out of sorts, but talking all nicey nice to people who treat me outside of the thread as if I am town and then turn on me in the thread is strange, and jarring, and I really don't like it and it's messing with my head. No one who actually has a scumread on me has bothered to try and further the read in any way and the only one whose read makes any iota of sense is Reck's.

Do you find that games where you are scum affect you more emotionally?

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Vote: kdowns

Five fluffy posts in a row, still on Trollie wagon. He's making my lizard brain antsy but I haven't pinned down any source so let's say gut! even though midbrain is more accurate.

...what.

Hito, no...

I don't understand how you could be opposed enough to his vote to post this.

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Someone post stuff about this afterward.

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Ok cool.

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Have there been any developments regarding trollie?

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Sorry didn't realise it was still going.

Btw, I thought trollie was molla at first XD

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Now I actually have to work out what I think of that slot...

Can't we just lynch trollie?

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So here's the thing.

Based on what I know, I think Trollie is the most likely to be scum and the best lynch for today. If people think he's town for reasons other than what has been stated in thread, please either say so in thread or let me know privately if need be. If not, then I think trollie looks like very likely scum and should be lynched.

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Good job listing 5 people who have not made an effort to communicate with me (DeasVail came into the hangout and left, so we never got to talk to him) and Nacho (who I've barely had a chance to talk to). Why don't you ask the half of the thread I actually have had a chance to speak with if I'm scumhunting...LoL

Honestly you're so bad at this it's unbelievable.

Does this basically mean "I can't have scumreads on people that don't privately approach me. Sorry!"?

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If you're on the MoS wagon, can you please give the main reason/s you think he's scum?

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Don't be a bitchass combo breaker DV, let the scum do that

What should I be doing?

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Vote: MoS

I guess.

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DV > hito > BBM > AGar.

I'm assuming this means I'm better than the others.

Amrun can actually not eat a bullet because I feel eventually people will fucking notice how scummy she is, but if you wanna shoot her, by all means

What?

Nope when I get home from work imma find someone to full claim to so my story can be corroborated tomorrow...just not gonna claim my exact ability so scum can try to fuck with me. See, I've thought this through and I intend to make the best use of this game's mechanic that I can. Don't think you can bullshit your way through to a Lynch now because it isn't happening. Better go find another chump bro.

You better not claim to Pie.

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Why? Pie is town.

Because Pie will just tell us MoS is obvtown no matter what he claims.

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Um....we're not doing this elaborate bullshit confirmable gambit thing

We're just lynching MoS.

What about we lynch trollie?

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Unvote: MoS

Vote: Trollie

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If trollie was town, he'd either have posted to clarify things/answer people's questions or replaced out by now!

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PEDIT: If trollie was scum, he'd have not lurked so obviously, therefore making himself stick out!

He was already sticking out a lot though, and if he is scum, then lurking has obviously worked well for him.

The problem for me is that everyone seems to be focusing on the whole NY/Sicilian thing, but I don't even think that's very scummy.

What I find most scummy about Trollie are some of the things that Nacho has already brought up:

-This quote: "if you people are going to vote based on the verdict of one man instead of trying to talk to me and decide for yourself we are going to have problems this entire game", which implies that Matt was lying even though he never actually says that.

-His 505, which was really pointless, but he doesn't do anything else.

-Also the fact that he talks about considering replacing out but never does.

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And also his absence and going on Google Hangout instead of answering my questions (and perhaps those of others) in the thread.

HOW COULD HE IGNORE ME???? D:

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Ok, everyone keeps asking me to attend hangouts WHILE I'M AT UNI or WHILE I AM SLEEPING.

I wasn't aware that people were being under pressure to attend hangouts...

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*being put under pressure

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Amrun:

Do you think Plum would be familiar enough with the Amished tell to avoid it?

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Also, my MoS vote was a combination of sheeping certain people, thinking MoS somewhat scummy for his lack of attempt to better read people on the Trollie wagon and bad excuse for not doing so, and also him seeming like the only viable lynch other than yourself.

I'll also share my thoughts on Amrun:

-The daycop guilty thing with LLD is slightly town in my opinion. 102, where she mentions Reck-scum and her reasoning, but doesn't in order to leave her vote on Matt, makes it even more town (because scum would probably just vote Reck here, rather than stick with a ~gambit~ that wasn't likely to be considered real).

-I find 454 a bit scummy, as the townreads + explanations look to me like scum trying to look town. On the same note, this quote, "If Grey weren't gone, I'd want him to explain this, because it makes zero sense to me and is the opposite of what I think is true," bothers me.

-A weird, and perhaps scummy, thing is Amrun seeming to be too quick to change her opinions after talking to people. (E.g. her going from Trollie-scum to Trollie-town after talking to MoS and back again after talking to Matt) I think that this could be a scum effort to look like town seriously considering other's opinions and being affected by them "as a townie would", but I believe town may be less impressionable.

These are the main things that I find when looking over her ISO, but despite coming across things that I find scummy, I don't think those things rule out the possibility of her being town. Indeed, her general posting comes across as town to me, so I've decided on a weak townread for her. Problem is, I've played with Amrun-town so many times and she's bound to come up as scum one of these days, but I'm not sure I'll be able to recognise it when she is.

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Amrun, please post your thoughts from chatting with Plum when you can.

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Internet problems atm. Should be fixed soon. LA until then.

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I don't have time for much now, but at some point someone please post the hito case in thread or tell me privately.

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Fate, can you PM me or something about what's going on?

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It's a not-buddies-with-Trollie tell.

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Really nice job town!

Also, Nacho you played amazingly. Had me completely fooled too