A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[DCLXVI]

Hi everyone, I'm a huge fan of the books and TV show, so very happy to be here. I'm going to skim through the thread and post some thoughts and a vote sometime this evening (hopefully).

[DCLXVI]

Ok, why are people talking about PLing MoI? He didn't seem like PL material the game I played with him.

[DCLXVI]

No one is doing that

, thus my confusion as to why he's playing the pity card when no one is pushing him on policy (

though yes, he deserves it

).

Minimum has basically made it know I'm a completely acceptable Policy lynch

There are a lot of inconsistencies here. At least from my POV right now.

Also, still re-reading stuff. Dolorous is def town though, she is legitimately scum-hunting.

[DCLXVI]

I am, but I'm terrible with names You have no idea how many times I have to skip back to the appendix to figure out who is who. I didn't take the time yet to figure out who you are yet.

Ok, so MoI thinks people are trying to Pl him but they aren't? But some players are saying that MoI would deserve to get PLd?

[DCLXVI]

Um the reason I commented on it was because it was the latest post right as I joined. I am going to comment on other stuff. You do realized I have 25 pages to go over.

[DCLXVI]

Yes, I know who you are.

[DCLXVI]

Ok, I have finally skimmed through enough of this to make some sense out of what is happening.

Things I think I know:
-Dolorous is town. From the posts of hers I skimmed its clear she is active and definitely scum hunting which is good.

-

Tierce's

Tyene Sand's reaction to me joining the game was just very odd. Before reading the thread I start commenting on the few most recent posts and she
somehow takes offense at that, yes it may have been something minimal, but hey, I was trying to figure out what was going on in the game and my posts did not warrant that type of negative reaction. Not sure how to read her right now. I'm worried that she is one of those players I just always think is scummy.

-I think MoI and shadow are also town. The selfvote from MoI and the sarcasm from shadow seem to show more of a town mindset, scum generally don't play that loosely. (at least from my experience)

-Not liking benmage much, mostly for his first two posts, he makes a silly RVS post and immediately follows it up by...chiding everyone for not taking the game seriously...

-Feysal seems to be trying way to hard to say the right stuff. The multiball "slip" doesn't concern me much. The very neutral play-style coming from here does. I'll post some examples of it tomorrow, but looking at his ISO seems proof enough.

@everyone, if you have played with shadow before, any info about his town/scum meta?

Choose:Feysal

VOTE: Jal I'm tired so I'm going to blatantly sheep Dolorous on this one.

and yes, I'm aware I'm joining two of the bigger wagons. It's not my fault they got caught before I joined.


Townreads: Dolorous, MoI, shadow
null leaning scum: Tierce
Scumreads: Jal, Feysal

I'll have more later but this is a good starting point for a game this big.

[DCLXVI]

Wait wait wait.... he doesn't post since post 83 other than a will post comment... and thats it... lol, this slot can die.

I really can't do much about the previous inactivity from my slot (other than be active now), but if you are so adamant about me dying why are you not voting for me? or anyone for that matter? (both your votes are on the "not voting" list.)

[DCLXVI]

?

[DCLXVI]

Was just planning on just reading this thread before bed, but this needs a response.

he jumps into a discussion he has little context about

Why is this bad? I was just trying to figure out what was

currently

going on by asking questions and such. Of course I'm going to have little context about it, I'm pretty sure I started posting before I had done much (if any) reading on the game.

then proceeds to state reads on a very minimal percentage of the playerlist not mentioning or commenting on a lot of the bigger things going on.

It's nice to know that you expected me to have reads on every player in a 28 player, 35 page game after skimming the thread for a little less than an hour.

I'll have more later but this is a good starting point for a game this big.

I like what you're doing here Reg. You went and placed high expectations on me. (Must have reads on everyone and know the context of the game,) and of course being that I had just replaced in there's no chance I would meet either of those so you get an easy way to call me scum. I'm sure their is a name for this logicall fallacy you are promoting but I can't think of it now.

In saying I had two few reads you conveniently missed the part where I said I would be giving more later. In fact I'm find adding Regfan to my scumlist. His attack on me is very terrible and quite frankly a bit opportunistic.

[DCLXVI]

My biggest problem with DCL's 881 is not his hyperbolic reaction per se, but the way that Regfan's comments on DCL were chainsawed to use against him. Feels manipulative.

I cut it apart to respond to specific points. Can you point out how I manipulated or misrepped or are you just going to generalize?

[DCLXVI]

*headdesk* omggggg can we just kill someone so you can all stop posting much....

Not Choosing (4): kortul, Amrun, SnowStorm,

Benmage

Not Voting (3): Mockingjaye, kortul,

Benmage

This is rather amusing.

[DCLXVI]

I am too tired to ISO my second strongest suspicion atm, and even if after the ISO i will believe he is also scum, using CHOOSE on him would be more sensible, therefore i will do the ISO tomorrow.

"I haven't read someone, but I bet you after I do, they'll be scum!"

Top notch stuff from the guy with 5 posts

all of which talk about trying to catch up.

The content from the rest of Kortul's last post was fine, nice misrep on him.

I'm going to second benmage's request for whatever meta thing you had on him.

[DCLXVI]

-You didn't answer my question about your useless vote.

I don't view my votes as useless.

[DCLXVI]

DCL, I still want links to games where you've replaced in as town and scum

Only have two games before this where I replaced in. (I haven't been around that long, and I don't usually replace in) Once as scum. Once as town.

Here are the links to that:

Open 402 (scum): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22015
Mini 1316 (town): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21282

Pedit: I'm seeing snow as town right now. Lack of claim seems more town motivated then scummy.
double Pedit: Yes, defending myself is important, especially when the claims against me were so fallacious.

[DCLXVI]

is Little Walder Frey being a mason makes sense from roleplaying point of view?

Others have answered but I can also say that it makes sense.

[DCLXVI]

Fuckit

Unvote Vote JAL

ALL ABOARD

Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.

[DCLXVI]

Poke dodging. I'm alive and will post something with content later this evening.

[DCLXVI]

What the heck, I go to class this morning with two votes and come back with 12. I'm Arnolf Karstark, vt.

The speed of my wagon is unnerving, I don't doubt for a second that there are some opportunistic scum on it. I'll take a look at it later.

[DCLXVI]

I don't like self meta, but refgan never went and looked at the links he asked for and therefor never brought up what I hoped he would bring up.

DCL, I still want links to games where you've replaced in as town and scum

Only have two games before this where I replaced in. (I haven't been around that long, and I don't usually replace in) Once as scum. Once as town.

Here are the links to that:

Open 402 (scum): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22015
Mini 1316 (town): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21282

Compare those two, then compare them to this game. then unvote. thank-you.

[DCLXVI]

The scummiest person pushing my wagon.

[DCLXVI]

Wait a second, I'm stupid. So regfan asks for my meta on replacing into game. I give it to him, he doesn't mention it at all and puts a vote on me. If he were town and had read what he had asked for, (it would only have taken 5 minutes or less) I highly doubt he would have voted me. which then leads to the conclusion that he is scum and ignored the meta because there wasn't anything in there he could use to frame me.

Unvote:
vote:Regfan

[DCLXVI]

Do you follow the game?

I got from 2 votes to L-1 in like 24 hours or so. Why couldn't that be done to someone else?

[DCLXVI]

I'm not saying who I'm going to vig. Simply because I want to leave the possibility of myself and scum targeting the same player in case I shoot a townie.

[DCLXVI]

Ok, I'm going out for dinner in a while, I will post some stuff later tonight.

[DCLXVI]

(DC, are you trying to look like you'll shoot Regfan so we don't lynch you, y/n? I only skimmed the beginning of your scum game, and so far haven't seen a huge difference, at least between that and your early play here; is there an obvious scum/towntell coming up?)

I'm not going to comment any further on who I would shoot if I was chosen. I'm not trying to hint at anyone because that would be helpful to scum in choosing their nightkill. I suppose my vote on regfan could be taken that way, but I was kinda hoping that we could perhaps flashwagon someone other than myself.

As far as meta goes I really would have preferred that someone had actually brought it up instead of myself because self meta is rather useless, but I'll give a hint anyways since it doesn't seem to be as obvious.

Compare catchup posts.

[DCLXVI]

DCLXVI's meta claim is bullshit. Honestly, if I see a scum game of his in the near future where he opts to take the 'scum meta' catch-up post instead of what he is apparently aware is his 'typical town' catch-up style, there will be Issues with trust tells. If you're aware you do it, there's no freaking way you won't apply known town meta to scum games when possible (barring occasional subversions for certain situations). So yeah, I am most definitely not buying that. The Regfan bit sounds contrived, too.

I'm not the one who brought meta up in the first place. regfan did.

Regfan specifically asked me about replacement meta. I hadn't said anything (or thought anything for that matter) about my replacing style.So nope, I wasn't using any type of trust tell.

[DCLXVI]

@mod BBmolla unchoosed.

Here is what I have for now, I'm not making any promises to finishing tonight but may have time tomorrow afternoon.

I don't have time for reads on everyone, but heres is what I think of my wagon.

Tierce

Tyene Sand

: I think she has some sort of vendetta against me, which initially made me suspect her and I had her as null-scum at the start, but after thinking about it I think scumtierce would act more rationally and she is playing very similarly to otherworld mafia where she was town.

Null-Town

Plessiezarus

:

Null-leaning scum.

Their attempt to over-justify the vote on me seems scummy.

Regfan

:

Scum

, already explained why his vote was bad.

Pandore

:

This attempt to distance himself from the wagon is scummy.

I'm really.. surprised the DCL wagon grew so fast. I'm just going to bury my head in the saand and hope that it's not as bad as Shadow1wagon is to me..

However, this is not. Shows he is a townsperson who is trying to keep an open mind about my lynch..

People who have experience with DCL from just ended games like Otherworld, does he seem like the kind of townie that would jump up as if enlightened that Regfan (someone who is not getting lynched today) is scum because he 'wouldn't have voted him if he'd read his meta'?

Null-leaning town

then for this slot.

Feysal

: I find it interesting that I am listed as null-leaning scum, and starbuck is listed as scum but Feysal puts his choose on me.

still scum.

Lyanna Stark

I'm more confident in DCL flipping town though and am at a bit of a loss of what to do about that.

Attempts to distance herself from my wagon without attempting to slow it down by unvoting me. Seems like a scummy attempt to get a mislynch without having it attributed to you.

scum.

[DCLXVI]

The choose does not require a majority, so please don't vote me under the fallacy that doing so is better than a no-choose. If you think me and feysal are both town just don't choose either of us.

[DCLXVI]

Perfect example of why I feel better about staying on your wagon than jumping to the Feysal wagon, who is the only other viable choice right now even though I'm less confident about him being town than you even though I'd totally trust his choice more than I would yours all things considered.

This is terrible.

-Lyanna thinks that I am more likely to be town than feysal.
-Me and feysal are crossvoting.
-Lyanna says that she would rather trust feysals vote than my vote,

even though she thinks I'm more likely to be town.

This is some very contradictory stuff here.

Lyanna is either retarded or scum. I don't think she is retarded so she must be scum.

[DCLXVI]

Perfect example of why I feel better about staying on your wagon than jumping to the Feysal wagon, who is the only other viable choice right now even though I'm less confident about him being town than you even though I'd totally trust his choice more than I would yours all things considered.

This is terrible.

-Lyanna thinks that I am more likely to be town than feysal.
-Me and feysal are crossvoting.
-Lyanna says that she would rather trust feysals vote than my vote,

even though she thinks I'm more likely to be town.

This is some very contradictory stuff here.

Lyanna is either retarded or scum. I don't think she is retarded so she must be scum.

Eh...no. Thanks for playing. Both your premises are wrong and are built on your misunderstanding of my position, which largely comes from your selective reading.

If you had read my first post in full instead of just the first sentence you would see that I don't like the feysal choose wagon either. My choice for you is, as shadow stated earlier, an active choice to make sure feysal is not chosen. And yes, I'm making this choice even though I'm more confident that you'll flip town than he will. This does not mean I have a scum read on feysal, as I said I don't have a read on feysal right now nor do I have a strong town read on you. If I had a scum read on feysal I'd be choosing him, no doubt, but I don't.

I said I would be more trusting of who feysal would choose over you, not vote.

This post right here that I'm responding to is yet again another example of why I'm actively choosing not to send feysal in favor of you. You have selectively responded to, misinterpreted, and used faulty premises to come to a faulty conclusion that doesn't take into account the entirety of play. I've seen you do that with other reads.

There are exactly two viable choose wagons right now. I'm not happy with either of them, nor do I have strong reads on either of them, so I have to look at who I would prefer to choose based on something else - namely your contribution in this game and my past experience with you both. Feysals contribution has been more comprehensive compared to yours, and I know that feysal is a careful player. In GvE, he was a big reason our town ultimately won and we were able to work together in lylo to make the right choice at the end. I don't have that kind of positive experience with you (I don't think youre a bad player, but a couple of your choices in otherworld make me a bit wary).

Is it fair? Probably not. Does it suck? I'm sure it does, and I'll feel really bad if it turns out that feysal is scum. But as long as I believe there's a chance that feysal is town, I'm not going to make it more likely for him to be chosen today.

Tl;dr

You said that you think I am more likely to be town, yet are choosing me over feysal, one long post doesn't change that obvious contradiction.

If I am more likely to be town why the hell would you rather want me dead?

As far as my play in otherworld, my play in that was fine besides the use of my pr. Let's see, I hammered scum day1 (I correctly chose red instead of mos) and then after you died I was the one who went through the trouble to re-read your iso and find your breadcrumb.

[DCLXVI]

unvote
vote:stefan

[DCLXVI]

@DCL: Unfortunately, you're the Plain Jayne non-PR slot people were hoping for.

But I also happen to be town, the goal of this game isn't to lynch all the vt's, its to lynch all the scum.

[DCLXVI]

DCL was desperately looking to get towncred because he was about to get chosen. So he decided that it would look town to analyze the wagon on him.

Actually I think someone asked me to analyze my wagon. (I forget who) so your point there is bs.

[DCLXVI]

unchoose
Choose:DCLXVI

screw this I'm town and I know who I'm shooting tonight.

[DCLXVI]

You guys are idiots, I really was town.

[DCLXVI]

Yeah okay mr. I-fakeclaim-miller-as-town

Screw you staeg, that's not called for. That was the wost game I played on site.