Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

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Confirming.

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One confirmation to 27/30. Just start the game.

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BT- Just start the game implies that you'll join in with it.

Well see it went something like this:

>gets home late
>6 new pages of game
>"uhh, when I have more time"
>gets home late
>6 new pages of game
>"holy fuck"
>gets home late
>4 new pages of game
>"holy fuck"
>weekend <-- you are here!

So I'll be jumping into this sometime today now that I have time to read *everything*.

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Hmm~

First thing to catch my eye is Robocopter87 inquiring about Titan's role speculation. Good example (#93). Titan's spec was out there and was a likely derailer so there's mostly scum motivation for digging in (instead of, uh, leaving it be).

Don't like combEnigma's #198. Jump on the Nacho/Phil mini-consensus doesn't seem geniune. Same can be said for the comment on Nik. Easy post to make as scum. Next post at #217 doesn't make me feel any better about the guy.

Speaking of Nikanor, he's town. Maybe Epic too, less sure on that one though but it's strong enough to mention.

Actually Nachomamma's followup (#218) is awkward. Sounds like he'd be talking to a townread but there's no indication of that.

Next up is Phillammon's #230. No comment on why the u-turn was odd (or a u-turn at all), instead there's a comment on wagon placement (and wagon placement means nothing unless the behavior justifies something being off).

Already have too much stuff I don't like. <_< Surely sorting this shit out will be easy.

Gonna split this so people bother to read my posts. Just finished reading page 10. I'll vote when I'm done.

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Part 2, Get on the Floor

Robocopter gets some more scum points for #274 and the posts after that (up to #295).

xtoph's posts in the #270 range rub me the wrong way. In particular #275. The aggression in that last part doesn't read town.

I like Alsark for #279 and agree with Epic's #300 on xtoph.

Would hang Robocopter for the things I pointed out and stuff showcased in #361.

Why are people treating Noir as a hydra? Or am I imagining things?

Gonna have to ask Pandorica how sure he is on the "Robo wouldn't have the balls" claim @ #396.

Read up to end of page 17.

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Didn't mention it earlier but add Sunshine to the town list.

These last 7 pages were so uninteresting I have nothing to talk about.

People I might be interested in voting: Cubix, Pasch, DeasVail, Cheery Dog, Robocopter, Q, xtoph. Going to have to read again to see what to do with this list.

A wagon on Riggs is fine too. Something tells me I'm going to agree with Epic for most of the game. (both heads)

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Read Cubix's ISO first because herp first on the list

... <_<

VOTE: combinatorialEnigma

Why did I type that entire thing

Slight chance I'll prefer a different lynch after I'm actually done reading those folks but damn. Main thing that made this read jump in priority is the whole backing off from Nacho.

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Slight chance I'll prefer a different lynch after I'm actually done reading those folks but damn. Main thing that made this read jump in priority is the whole backing off from Nacho.

Oh dear, seriously? I am not understanding the suspicion of the retraction on Nacho. It reads as completely honest and genuine. Maybe some people are not just looking for wallwars and are looking to get opinion on people? If anything, Rubik's retraction makes him more town. This just looks like mindless sheeping that isn't going to help the town at all.

Let me ask you, in your own words, why do you suspect the back off of Nacho?

At first it looked like Nacho gave him an opportunity to get rid of a risky FoS and he gladly took it.

...But on second glance it's not as decisive as I thought it was. Fair enough. I'm actually pretty sure I want my vote elsewhere right now so back to reading I go.

This is a p good list other then the cubix and robo but I think this is more literally doing what Titan is accusing Phil of.

Admittedly it's because none of my reads are rock solid (except for the cubix read I *thought* I had) and most of the lynches on bad nonexistent folks are appealing anyway. (most of the people that magically appeared on that list are those kind of people)

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Robocopter do you happen to have reads? Plural.

In the dumb process of trying to pick a best of weak votes. Q actually looks like classic "oh god posts, I'm confused" scum so resurrecting that wagon would be nice.
Actually yeah.

UNVOTE: combinatorialEnigma
VOTE: numberQ

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Gonna have to ask Pandorica how sure he is on the "Robo wouldn't have the balls" claim @ #396.

Fairly sure? I don't really know what you want me to say. I'd not have said it, if I wasn't reasonably confident.

Well I wanted to make sure if it was

"there's NO WAY this guy is scum with his meta"
or
"i don't

think

he's scum with his meta"

In other news I guess the Q wagon isn't getting any support.

Pacsh's #657 is "don't lynch meeeee" bad.

The wagon is speeding up real fast but that's kind of understandable really.

Sure.

UNVOTE: numberQ
VOTE: Pacshendale

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I think we're at 11 votes?

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gRRR

Has your other head posted in the last few days? Curious. #594 looks like you wrote it together, actually.

Robocopter do you happen to have reads? Plural.

Fully expecting Robocopter to respond with reads in his next post.

As I agreed earler, with you guys on pasch, willing to vote but I'll wait for a count.

Unofficial "Just for You" Count:

Votecount 1.4

Paschendale (4): Zeta, Sunshine and Rainbows, AurorusVox, Titan

unvote, Vote: Paschendale

Unvote, vote paschendale

UNVOTE: ]
VOTE: paschendale

Unvote, Vote: Paschendale

unvote
vote: paschendale

Vote: Paschendale

UNVOTE: numberQ
VOTE: Pacshendale

Paschendale (11): Xeta, Sunshine and Rainbows, AurorusVox, Titan, malpascp, Pandorica, Cheery Dog, Nachomamma8, Noir, Porfervor, BT

Your move.

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Really nice catch Pandorica. Gonna ISO Cheery right away.

You act as if his ISO has anything meaningful in it.

Replacing out like that is annoying as any alignment unfortunately. At least we get to read the replace in.

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Really nice catch Pandorica. Gonna ISO Cheery right away.

You act as if his ISO has anything meaningful in it.

Quote tags.

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I give up.

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Actually malpascp.

Shiiiiit so much spam.

Vote: Pandorica

i give up on this game

My vote was kinda random, but either way Pandorica's reaction was really bad. And backfireing at everything is just anti-town.

ISO Pasch and laugh. Please just do it.

unvote, Vote: Paschendale

Why is that voteworthy?

Unvote, vote paschendale

Really nice catch Pandorica. Gonna ISO Cheery right away.

P-Edit: haha I'm even cooler.

What's up with this?

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you know i'm not really confident in paschendale flipping scum. his reactions to getting bw'd just don't seem scummy to me. also faraday's declaration that his replacement request was a scum tell is a load of bullshit

can we please get combinatorial instead

Uhh

I legit have no idea how you guys are finding me scummy here. I'm really completely at a loss for how you discern alignment out of a game so stuffed with garbage that nobody even looks like they're trying.

I'll just replace out and you guys can play with someone who understands how these big games work. And I'll probably avoid them in the future. They're not nearly as fun for me as I thought they would be.

Mod: I'd like to be replaced.

It's not bullshit, faraday is right. The first line reads like he's mad

he's

the one who had to be bw'd. That's frustrated scum.

(If Pasch flips scum this is something to look at.)

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Actually faraday said something about

not

being angry? Whatever, but either way this guy should be lynched.

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i also support paschendale lynch from what i've read and......... eh i'm really just here to say that no bt, i didn't ask shadoweh "HEY WANT TO HYDRA IN A 30P GAME" just to make her do all the work. more incredibly useful content like this coming whenever i have more time :>

I wasn't being a critic if that's what it sounded like. I just

kind of like

your posts is all.

I'd say vig robocopter but at least he has a vote now, uhh Q is a nice target.

Cubix, "actual stuff"? Feel free to show me posts by robocop that talk about something game-relevant that isn't Vifam.

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Nacho you may want to actually possibly do something since Pasch's slot is getting hanged otherwise.

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Super concise catching up, leaving out a bunch of stupid remarks (mainly on the scumclaim because all things considered the entire affair (and trying to analyze it) is useless).

Cheery Dog #968 looks lazy (especially the reason for suspecting Nacho) and is bad to begin with because he's doing some weird PoE thing that is usually done by scum. Handwaving no less than half the damn playerlist as town doesn't help his case since it's another scum thing.

Don't know why Cubix clearly saw people wanting to lynch him and decided it'd be a good idea to drop a small update post and go poof.

God there is nothing to talk about. Seriously, I got absolutely nothing out of pages 33-40. I don't know if this is surprising but eh.

AV popping in and out with a crappy post like #1055 puts him in the "would invite to death" pile.

DeasVail going best of two bad lynches in #1058 without naming a, uh, preferred lynch?? is pretty bad. Still unsure about this one though.

And mmm yeah I see Nachotown now.

Sunshine #1070 is actually exactly how I feel about Titan minus the drinks. At least he's posting although townreading every second wagon is kind of boot-to-head worthy really. (the second head is okay) DeasVail is slightly guilty of this too.

I'm fine with the wagons as is I guess?

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he's doing some weird PoE thing that is usually done by scum. Handwaving no less than half the damn playerlist as town doesn't help his case since it's another scum thing.

Named the same thing twice here.

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Why is being lazy a scum tell?

It's not. In this case though it was your reason for voting Nacho. Ultimately your vote was really weak and that's something I attribute to scum.

What makes someone be able to go from completely different levels of fuckdom because of one post?

Uh?

What is actually wrong with discoounting half the playerlist as possible day one lynches when it's obvious they're not going to be the day 1 lynch? I am not going to whittle my way through 29 other players when most of them have done nothing at all suspicious. If they do happen to do something suspicious (like Titan did) then they can be brought out into the open and investigated further, otherwise they are best left to do their own thing with the people who happen to be the possible day 1 lynches. When we get down to less players (and if I'm somehow still alive) then I will have a complete opinion on everyone, at this stage I find putting aside the better half of the playerlist is a good idea.

I thought they were your townreads? Are they 'not possible d1 lynches' now?

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I'm pegging it as pretty damn weak. There are plenty of people who've changed opinions in a matter of posts in this very thread, and it's not necessarily a scum move anyway.

Honestly that list looked like you removed most of the notable players and started from there. That is a scum move. (I'm not the first to mention this, in fact.)

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And that's all you have to say?

Kind of hard to figure out if you're not faking your rage or not so far

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How would you like to try to get 8 people off of you?

Uhh umm
*) buckle up
*) be productive
*) be townie if possible
*) show us a better lynch

There really isn't any reason for people to be swayed by your vote

Also yes

What the hell, people. Paschendale was an idiot. Get off my back, and preferably to someone who is voting for Paschendale.

This seems forced to me I am now beginning to support where our vote is.

That's what I was talking about by faked rage

I mean obviously you'd be varying degrees of mad as any alignment but that was pushing it

PEdit: Fair enough, he could do better obviously, but it wouldn't be the first time some dumb gimmick poster was town (in fact in my history the vast majority of gimmick posters were town but whatever) and his content isn't actually scummy as far as I can tell

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Actually if we're already doing this it would be nice to see mr wutlolski reply and stuff... like, more than he's done in #1103-#1104

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Suddenly an irresistible urge to kill xtoph instead

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UNVOTE: Tazaro
VOTE: xtopherusD

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BT I think your reaction and vote were both bad.

Hell I felt they were bad too, probably because I don't do that sort of thing a lot, and by that sort of thing I mean fish for reactions.

Those posts (both of them) did give me some legit scum vibes though but I wasn't sure and I remembered someone saying something about towntells (apparently that was you) so I... went with it anyway. For the above reason.

That said I FEEL like I should be getting something from his response but nothing is happening. I'll try reading a bit more.

UNVOTE: xtopherusD
VOTE: Tazaro

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Guys, lets get this straight. Do you think Tazaro, not Pasch, just Tazaro, is scummy enough to get lynched? I know this is not the only thing to take into account, but it would be nice to know after all why people are going back to that wagon after it lost some steam when Pasch replaced out.

Anything you find weird about that last part?

This made me check your vote. It's still on buldermar.

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Two more for majority.

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Last VC. Work from there.

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Or not.

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@Mod:

How are you not searching to replace GNR?

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^^^

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BroodKing, I see you browsing, any specific reason your vote isn't being used?

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He's past the I-accept-death stage. Spam posting is the #1 indicator.

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*useless spam posting at that

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Yeah I'm referring to spam as cluttering the thread pretty much.

Let's try and end this day today please.

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Actually the fact you didn't claim before you were hammered makes you prob scum but w/e.

Not to mention the whole nonchalant stage he went through recently.

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VOTE: Cheery Dog
Note that Cheery Dog is conf. not on Tazaro's team (further proof is Pandorica pushing for Cheery Dog while admitting Pasch was bad when the wagon on the latter was starting), as far as conf. goes. Biggest reason for this vote is the reactionary play when and only when his wagon was a possible thing.

I would actually reread the thread but I don't exactly have time to pour into this game for the next while. Minimal contribution will have to do.

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I guess first order of business when I have the time is looking into xtoph? I never re-looked at him yesterday.

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Actually yes.
UNVOTE: Cheery Dog
VOTE: Maenara

The only thing I've really done between last post and this one is skim through his ISO. Quantity of comments on how he himself is scummy, which is usually done by scum (scum are more aware of that kind of stuff, like, interested in how town/scum they look). Not to mention #1487 here looks like the common helpful scumbag.

Add to this slight sheeping to Sunshine (and Zdenek, who is town. his "Based on the exchange between Noir and Pandorica around 455, I'd be hesitant to string up Cheery Dog. At this point he's done little to warrant that much attention." is good enough to change vote)

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Zdnek's only post in this game looks like a scum trying too hard to be town look mom im scumhunting

And now I may be able to see this too. Thanks a bunch.

Still, that little thing about Cheery Dog holds water regardless of his alignment.

Will get back to this tomorrow against my better judgement (way too busy for this).

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Is it normal that a rb leaves no result?

(miraculously still here)

Actually, sure, going to cut to the chase - we don't know enough about this to infer that he was roleblocked, Sunshine.

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BT, what happened to your vote on xtop ages ago, and why is it not a valid thing today?

Only time I voted xtoph was from when I was undecided and did it for reactions. I'm still undecided.

It couldn't be that I said it because of the distancing thing.

Nope.

Not at all.

?

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read what BT was trying to do with that vote again.

I see him trying to get a reaction and a read. I see him saying he didn't get one. I don't see why that's not valid now.

Do you see xtoph anywhere? I don't. He was posting at the time (a rare enough occurrence) so I gave him a nudge.

I still don't get what you two are talking about.

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Anyway, I am way more inclined to vote for Cheery Dog than Malpa, so this is a good place to start.

Vote: Cheery Dog

.

Maenara could easily be scum.

[...]

Town because of scum interactions (which might be a really shitty reason to think someone is town, depending on your point of view):

Cheery Dog

[...]

Scum:

maenara, but probably not Batterwitch aligned.

That said, the Noir - Cheery Dog connection seems plausible when laid out like that.

Why are you not voting Maenara.

Why is buldermar suddenly acting like a doofus

1) This is not new. 2) You're barely any better.

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The scum, for being scum. Your turn.

(On a more serious note, feel free to enlighten me: why shouldn't we hang Maenara?)

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Busy times, dodging prod. Will catch up sometime.

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In retrospect, this explains a lot about how may pages I had to catch up. I am willing to vote either of CE or malpa right now, convince me that malpa is a bad choice.

Am I expected to assume you don't have an opinion on Maenara/Cheery/Zdenek or what?

I approve of what Fate is doing. Though I would go Maenara ~ Zdenek > Cheery. More on Zdenek when I have the time but he's pretty bad.

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Yeeaaah he's scum.

UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: Malpascp

Scum posting realizing the wagon isn't going to blow away on its own. Had doubts at first (in no small part due to the people voting it and the case being mostly connections) but not so much now.

Maenara is scum_of_other_color for disappearing like that. Zdenek is also scum and the reason for that is what I pointed out earlier;

*couple of goodposts going places*
"nevermind cheery dog wagon will have to do"

He'd made comments like "Maenara is obviously scum" and said vote (here) was really damn weak in comparison. Almost like he didn't really pay attention to his catchup (oh!).

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Uhh right I think that's L-3.

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You feel like this plan could go wrong easily yet you're fine with complying to lynching someone else. ???

The wagon stays. There's no need to get in a knot with role shenanigans like this and assuming 142134 different things at once.

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One OTHER reason why we're NOT doing this whole night plan is that it will inevitably derail the game when we start pondering "whyyy didn't this work as planned". And no we can't just assume it WILL work as planned because

we're not the mod

.

Phill's recent thing is a very easy (and not very subtle.....) way to get on a maybe-potentially-viable Cheery wagon. Noted, I guess.

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One OTHER reason why we're NOT doing this whole night plan is that it will inevitably derail the game when we start pondering "whyyy didn't this work as planned". And no we can't just assume it WILL work as planned because

we're not the mod

.

Phill's recent thing is a very easy (and not very subtle.....) way to get on a maybe-potentially-viable Cheery wagon. Noted, I guess.

Could people stop being so passive aggressive about me not having been here and go reread my reads list? This is pointed partially at BT, but there are quite a few people guilty of this.

This isn't "Wagon is possibly viable", this is "Reviewing null read that people are talking about"

Actually, #2244 gave me that specific vibe, but your response + reading it again it's not as bad as I thought it. Carry on.

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Check the state of the wagons at the time and see if your theory makes any sense. If anything, I was suspicious of Cheery Dog too and I had no reason not to pile on that if my motive was ~counterwagon ho~. xtoph was not a likely lynch and I made that switch for exactly the reason I've stated more than twice now. (which you have linked) Never really left the Kill Tazaro movement.

That said, I was legit curious about your "hah voting pattern" point so much that I took a look at my ISO and found some stuff I forgot about. Like #707.

How is dude not lynched yet?

(It's hard NOT to see the "BFFs with The Felt" case in that post, or, say, his response.)

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How do you feel about xtoph now?

You know that one guy you always promise to read but never get to? He's that guy. Though, from what I recall of his posts today, I'm feeling better about him.

Sorry, everyone else on the BT wagon! I know this feels like kind of a betrayal. I hope we can still be friends.

You're the first person to touch me this game. It's cool though!

... And you guys start an AVox wagon. Why. It's like every other wagon choice has more backing it up. Lynch someone else. Like Maenara, or, you know, MALP.

Zdenek is terrible by the way and Fate's case wasn't terrible so I don't know what the fuck. Look at his jump on AVox too. Are you guys blind.

Let's make one thing clear, though.

We are lynching Malp today.

Also.

Give me ONE good PROPERLY REASONED and LOGICAL reason to let this guy live another ONE day.

Also.

Give me ONE good PROPERLY REASONED and LOGICAL reason to lynch ANYONE ELSE, in partuclar AVOX first.

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More emphasis.

WE ARE LYNCHING MALP TODAY.

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Unintentional but you bet it deserves a new page.

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Why do you believe this plan is a good idea?

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Runthrough is a go.

Avox has been generally scummy since he replaced in D1

Noir's vote is protown.

I actually think Robo might be scum

Vote: Cheery Dog

I would have voted Noir but he died.

See this? See how it doesn't make sense?????

Honestly his overall play has been incredibly scummy, just about everything he's posted has rubbed me the wrong way. Give this man to the gods.

It doesn't make sense. Why is it scummy? Scum have no reasons to leave mines like this when it doesn't DO anything otherwise. Give me one reason why BlackscumAVox would post this.

-His push on S&R

fuck man i don't know what to think about nacho about this point, his actual content leans town but his rhetoric is forced as shit. like there's nothing even implying fate's slot is town

If you continue pushing piss like this then I won't be dropping it so soon.

From what I could tell Sunshine and Rainbows wasn't even gunning for a Nacho lynch at the moment in the first place, she was just making a comment on his play. Yet Avox jumps on her/him for pushing????

-"Forgetting" Titan "claimed" scum
Self explanitory
-His appeal to Maenera

I see a list of things but I don't get it sorry.

?

I have played as well as I can. I'm playing the long game here, Maenara.

Is SAR a popular wagon or one that doesn't make sense? Hmm?
Did I get on Pasch because he was popular, or way before? Hmm?

Oh yeah, I forgot Titan scumclaimed. Thanks for reminding me. He can go die after you.

Goes from "Sorry Maenara I'm just trying my best honestly " to "haha you're next Maenara heh heh"

How does this even make sense?


... and this is honestly everything.

Let me reiterate.

It's like every other wagon choice has more backing it up. Lynch someone else. Like Maenara, or, you know, MALP.

I'll go over what Dan said again but I'm not really convinced by that either.

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Yeah I'm thinking half the people on this wagon are terrible for not reading the game and the other half is scum <_>

P-Edit: Dan I seriously don't see it.

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We are lynching Zdenek after this.

Just look at that last post if the reasons weren't there in EVERY POST HE MAKES by now.

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I'm not asking for them? I'm saying you are scum and you keep reminding us of that fact every time you post.

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It's not that it's a contradiction, it's that it makes no sense. He likes Noir's vote, but then says that he would have voted him.

Oh hello it's this again. Do you sincerely think this makes any sense?

I think this is an excellent point.

This is a really out of place comment considering you oppose the plan.
Now can we lynch the Obv. Scum Zeta

Unvote
Vote: Zeta

Mapla's been V/LA and is a claimed power-role. The role-blocking part of it is confirmable. It's not a role that scum can leave alive in the late game. If he comes back from V/LA and continues to play this way, then I'll be fine with lynching him.

You never voted Malp. This sounds like he was in consideration for a while or something, despite every second comment you make is "dude made a crappy malp argument", so you're just fitting with the crowd here.

P-Edit:
1) I don't see anything that actually argues that his behavior is SCUM.
2) Pretty much every other wagon that has been mentioned today is better so I'm still baffled this took off.

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Obviously didn't mean to vote Zeta. Just in case:

VOTE: Malp)

It's not that it's a contradiction, it's that it makes no sense. He likes Noir's vote, but then says that he would have voted him.

Oh hello it's this again. Do you sincerely think this makes any sense?

I think this is an excellent point.

This is a really out of place comment considering you oppose the plan.

Now can we lynch the Obv. Scum Zeta

Unvote
Vote: Zeta

Need I say anything.

Mapla's been V/LA and is a claimed power-role. The role-blocking part of it is confirmable. It's not a role that scum can leave alive in the late game. If he comes back from V/LA and continues to play this way, then I'll be fine with lynching him.

You never voted Malp. This sounds like he was in consideration for a while or something, despite every second comment you make is "dude made a crappy malp argument", so you're just fitting with the crowd here.

P-Edit:
1) I don't see anything that actually argues that his behavior is SCUM.
2) Pretty much every other wagon that has been mentioned today is better so I'm still baffled this took off.

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The only other wagon is the CheeryDog wagon which is based solely on his intereactions on Noir which barely hold up, and the Malp wagon, which has only deteriorated cuz of his Jailer claim.

It only slightly deteriorated NOW because of this dumb wagon. Do you not want to lynch Malp now?

I honestly don't see how a CherryDog wagon is ANY better than an Avox wagon

The Cheery wagon is honestly almost just as bad if only because his D2 has been alright (the wagon was decent on D1).

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FYI

The only legit reason to want to kill Avox right now is because he's suboptimal.
Just like a bunch of other players.
I don't see the scumtells.

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And also there was actually a case here. Even though I only remember seeing, like, one contradiction brought up, it was better than the other lynch targets.

Can you show me this case? Because I don't see a case.

If you'd check the wagons, the Malp wagon is still super viable.

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No, it's not. The plan is bad because of the possibility of role interactions at night. The good point is that the bulk of the case against Malp is based on the idea that he is Green Scum aligned, Green Scum probably don't have Pandorica's role and joat and a roleblocker and the role-blocking part of his role is confirmable. So if he is scum, he is unlikely to be Green Scum, which makes a lot of the case for him being scum really questionable.

Why can't he be Green Scum but not a RB/JK? Fair enough, though, I understand the context of "excellent point" now. But now I don't see why you're "fine with lynching him later" if this is such a good point.

Vifam posted a thing

Maybe it's not a case but I like to think it's better than anything else right now

...

It's like my posts are invisible.

Pick a wagon. I don't remember anything from you that isn't Cheery-related.

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I agree with #2448 concerning Mehdi's spec about the felt scum team. It's unlikely to have JOAT + redirector/roleblocker + another roleblocker + goon (since other team flipped goon).

Why can't he be Green Scum but not a RB/JK?

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I'm not entirely satisfied with some of the reasons for joining the AV wagon, but I am entirely satisfied with it being as popular as it suddenly is. I am no longer as convinced by his scumminess as I was, but my conviction is still strong enough, especially combined with the plethora of info from his flip, that I still advocate his death.

Terrible.

That said, you are ignoring Medhi. Is he not one of the more suspicious people on this wagon?

So fucking terrible.

I can shoot you [Maenara].

PLEASE DO

Alternatively if the Malp wagon really isn't happening we can lynch the next scum who is this dude.

Oh nevermind Suddenly Only Sane Townie Cheery Dog is on the case. Townread detected.

The case could use some work though. Let me see if I can manage to whip something more sheep-friendly.

you [Titan], Mehdi, and Vifam are next tier which is pretty high, so it'd be fun not to spam.

Agree on this.

I guess I find Broodking's tunneling scummy but there are better things to go off of than this.

Buldermar can you please cooperate when people ask you questions?

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Right.

UNVOTE: Malp
VOTE: Maenara

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Buldermar can you please cooperate when people ask you questions?

Yes, possibly. What questions?

I've mentioned that I don't recall your take on the other wagons. (Malp, AVox, Maenara) Can you state them clearly?

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UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: Malpascp

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xtoph is a likely por shot. Both heads wanted to shoot him pretty badly.

Going to analyze the last day.

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YAY this is happening.

VOTE: Maenara

The analysis will have to come later, but I'd much rather weigh in right now, plus #2665 rounds things up nicely.

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Maenara is mostly getting wagoned for that dumb moment, admittedly, but there's plenty of other things backing it up that make it all peachy.

I had a case sometime during D2. He was constantly paying attention to how people read him, not to mention he focused exclusively on minor things during the Tazaro Wagon Closure. Now his posts reek of annoyed scum (annoyed over the wagon circumstances) telling people to *consider the circumstances* and the like.

Actually, the most telling thing about his defense is that he isn't scumhunting, just telling people to stop looking at him.

Hammer pls.

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So what the hell are you guys doing.

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No, seriously, we might want to have some coherency going here.

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I think I would kind of accept / understand the Vifam wagon thing if not for the fact that
1) there's a suggested clear on the guy
2) the dudes on the wagon are doing their damn best to make 0 fucking sense

Fate, I'll owe you eternally if you help us lynch Maenara. I can taste his scummy blood already.

We're at L-2 and it's claim time.

It's NOT Vifam-wagon tiem.

Actually it's hammer time. Dude won't even honor us with a claim.

Hi

Yo

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Where is this suggested clear?

xtoph flipped cop and had some remarks on vifam that suggest an absolute read

of course it's not concrete but imo it's decent. i don't think he made strong stances w/ anyone else but if i'm wrong feel free to correct me

please stop with the nicknames
or at least have a handy list of translations or some shit

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If Maenara is scum on the verge of a lynch I don't see why he'd try to pull a case on Mehdi AT THE LAST SECOND. When the lynch is in his direction

She's scum and she needs something to post. If it's connections then it may as well be with the nigh-confirmed town. Have you seriously never seen scum being useless with their activity before lynch?

There's that and there's refusal to claim too. The signs of "whatever, i'm probably gonna die" scum are all there.

Fate has no right to be man-of-the-town at all considering his cheery wagon that he championed while poo-pooing both AV and Malspc flipped town. And it's not like he helped lynch scum D1 because he wasn't here.

Anyone can be man-on-the-town when they decide to catch scum.

What Fate's doing now though is completely stupid and

no one has the right to sheep to it

. If you are you're basically volunteering to be terrible and unhelpful. Fate isn't going to magically get something by doing this, Nacho, and if you think he will as a default because "it's Fate" then holy shit man.



Lynch time. Cast thy votes.

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Yeah fuck I keep forgetting about genders.

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Did the cop say they investigated someone?

Nope.

There was this really townie post in the pages that I read but my search function is having trouble finding it again.

Maybe I can help?

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Why is it completely stupid?

"hey yo the consensus is wrong i'm going to think polar opposite"
"without explaining shit"

The funny thing is that I'd ask you to answer "why is this NOT stupid" and you won't have an answer because you don't have a clue, you're just doing it because of the dude who's posting.

Honestly I'd have to call every second outburst itt stupid as well, but I'm giving this special attention because you insist on honoring this one for a dumb reason.

You know what?

You went on to sheep because you promised reads later. Well now is later. You're reading the thread so why the hell not.

Someone said something.

Might have been pages 20-30, or 58-76.

It was more or less along the lines of "he might be attacking so strongly to appear town because he can"

It was in response to a quote and there was no visible space between the quote and the comment.

The comment revealed analysis of the player's intentions. I think those intentions are town.

Yeah I think I'm drawing a blank. Thread is too long. Welcome to the town club though.

Nope.

If it comes to it, we can eliminate certain factors based on who the cop voted, who the cop announced suspicion of, etc.

I think I found something interesting. A rare earthstone... most delicious and nutrious.

No wait, you all would call it a crumb.

Go on.

I've asked three times. The least you can do is answer twice.

What are your reads?

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"hey yo the consensus is wrong i'm going to think polar opposite"
"without explaining shit"

"the consensus is Vifam is town because the dead cop investigated him" is not good reasoning because we don't really know shit about what the dead cop. Maenara is scum because he thought Vifam was guilty and didn't claim earlier".
the reasoning of the consensus is shit
i don't really need to explain why I disagree with the reasoning
maybe it is correct
but the reasoning is shit

The clear is likely enough and supports the town read that most people have on Vifam. I still have no idea what Fate or theoretically you or anyone else find here.
You know that's far from the only things backing up this lynch.

The funny thing is that I'd ask you to answer "why is this NOT stupid" and you won't have an answer because you don't have a clue, you're just doing it because of the dude who's posting.

because it's helping to form a counterwagon while I go through the game
it's making people think a little more than they would normally
it's giving us something more out of this day other than the "LOL LYNCH" bullshit that was yesterday

Ok. How is reading the game going?

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And for anyone who's called me close to confirmed then is there a reason you're still voting mae (this applies to bulder mainly although really anyone with a strong town read on me).

I can townread you but still vote the scum???


You know, I legit have no idea why people are opposing this lynch in the first place.

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(then let me shoot the other).

You will shoot from a pool of 2/3 people. Leaning 3.

Why are you wagoning AV and not any other lurkscum?

I'm happy enough that BT, S&R, and Mehdi are alive and speaking like normal people.

There I managed to cheer myself up.

you're not happy I'm alive and talking like normal people?

I even promised Arthur I'd get caught up and start putting in effort and everything.

You too.



I mean come on, every time I

consider

other wagon Maenara pops in with a post like #2921.

How do you not want to lynch this.

Oh and Bumi is town. Don't waste your time.

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No but I don't think he should be a prime lynch.

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First to come to mind is Brood but that's pretty obvious.

I'd have to check if Zdenek is still terrible. I must have forgotten about him after he stopped posting.

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But at any rate Brood is probably the better "meh" wagon.

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Since av has more votes then brood and unlike you I don't think mae is scum nor are you likely to convince me to change there.

P-edit: I could follow it. And bt who's my two/three person pool?

He has more votes because of the wagon. V_V
They're objectively bad, Maenara unrelated. I don't see what you're getting at there.

Don't have an actual pool (agreed by everyone) in mind, just saying that the idea of a pool of 3 is better than "I'm shooting this guy specifically" every time.

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I was voting brood. I noticed av had a bigger wagon and suspect them similar amounts. I swapped. Make sense?

Oh, okay then.

Who did you think is scum besides mae then? That and last time my kill wasn't ever I'll shoot this person. First time I did it.

Pretty much my answer to Vifam. Actually, Zdenek would probably be second pick. I'm not really

against

the AV wagon but last time it has no real reason to suddenly show up as opposed to other wagons and I think it's happening to an extent right now too.

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my scumbuddy BroodKingEXE rolecopped vifam and found out he was a mason, actually.

Are you for real doing this to me.

I mean come on, every time I

consider

other wagon Maenara pops in with a post like

#2999

.

How do you not want to lynch this.

I think I'm going to have to quote & update this in every fucking post I make.

Question for Sanjay: What's your opinion of the AVox wagon right now? I know Nacho is ignoring you but you're kind of a peeping tom right now. Low content users always raise my hackles.

Yeah the dude didn't reply to my prod either. It was right after he posted.

Shadoweh slap some sense into your other head for that

thing

from earlier, if you haven't already.



Maenara #3015 is the worst post in a while.



Holy shit hold on with this. Haven't had this many posts overnight since D1.

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Why Pandorica?

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Yeah definitely shouldn't be a prime lynch.

Nacho do you actually think Vifam is scum or are you still sheeping?

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HEY

Know what we can do?

Stop flinging shit at eachother and get back on the right wagon.

UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: Maenara

The Vifam wagon isn't good. The AV wagon isn't good anymore.

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If he's talking about a crumb on D1 then they didn't kill him on D1 so...
I think it was D2 when he was blatantly calling himself a vig.

Most people believe Mehdi so yes they're assuming two vigs.

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^ pick for what?

AV what I meant to say that he was 100% unmistakably claiming vig on D2. He was talking about shooting people on D1, so maybe some people thought he was joking.

And Dan is town. So is S&R.

I'm actually less sure about Vifam now but I'm still leaning town since D1.

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Voting mae is even more stupid though.

And yet you have never explained why.

I already know that you're townreading him for some bizarre reason that's beyond me. I want to know more.

Also add Zdenek to the pool.

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Day 2 maybe when I first gave the town read on him (one of my first posts when I replaced in). Remind how scum motivated his push on me is when I'm one of the few who trusts him. And remind me that the scum slip that's been repeated is still stupid.

The wagon was huge at the time and scum sometimes churn out ~*~some kind of activity~*~ while waiting for a wagon to blow away. Making a case on you is pretty convenient since they'd be only making connections with someone everyone reads as town anyway.

The scumslip is kind of stupid as a one-off reason to lynch the dude but it certainly helps.

I was expecting more reasons if you're townreading him that strongly. >_>

Zdenek I currently have as null. Explain why he should be scum vs null and sure I'll consider him as a kill target.

First thing to come to mind is that his votes at the very beginning seemed detached from his catchup, kind of like scum disconnect. There were other things too... Maybe I'll list them later.

Oh. Uh, if you add most of my posts from D2, it probably amounts to something resembling a Maenara case. (a good one, I mean)

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Whatever then.

UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: Zdenek

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UNVOTE: Zdenek
VOTE: Sanjay

I approve.

Zdenek is still lurking but whatever. Consolidation is nice.

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Sanjay (8): Bumi, BT,

Maenara

,

Sunshine and Rainbows

, Titan, mehdi2277,

Vifam

, DrippingGoofball

Not to mention Maenara is confirmed. Actually, the only two I'm null on from that list are Titan and DGB.

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I'm not too sure about this Sanjay wagon. The rapidity of the wagon formation is a bit disturbing, but I didn't feel that way with Maenara or AurorusVox (probably since I thought they were scum). I'll have to iso him to get a good read. I think maybe the town is a bit lynch-happy right now, for better or for worse.

Dunno if Sanjay's defense of Maenara is scum-buddying or town-sticking-up-for-another-town. I'll have to review the circumstances.

I don't remember you complaining about similar wagons.

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Maenara is confirmed??

Well, Mehdi-confirmed.

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Maenara is confirmed??

Well, Mehdi-confirmed.

I must have missed something. Could you elaborate on it?

He went out and admitted that his role confirmed Maenara to him in one way or another.

I don't know how one could

miss

it (and the two pages that followed....), but here.

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DeasVail I don't know about others but you're damn null to me.

If we're considering Titan we may as well consider Nacho even though I'm uncertain about both (Nacho in particular read better until it turned out his tunnelreads were wrong).

Everyone else is ok.

P-Edit: Okay, Nacho out, but I still don't know about Titan.

I'm personally not seeing the goodSanjay reaction but you're not the first to say that so I'll go with it. I think I still prefer Sanjay though.

UNVOTE: Sanjay
VOTE: Brood

If this is bad we're switching back.

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I guess what's making me lean there is that his case on me way back then is giving me scum vibes now and what he's doing right now seems half-assed.
The whole waiting for Nacho thing, I mean. Though I guess I might be wrong? It IS cE's slot.

P-Edit: You wanted to join the bloc, DV.
P-Edit: I still don't think the whole lynch viability thing is a good reason. (for anyone)

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But I guess I can kind of see it? I'll read through his ISO again tomorrow.

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Mehdi: Not sure about Shinori. Though definitely surviving till endgame with that attitude & claim and probably not going to get lynched in the meantime so??

I literally keep forgetting Zdenek exists. I prefer him to Brood.

Sunshine: A bloc is fine so long as we're not entirely lazy. If that happens then sure we can demolish it, but there are enough strong town reads in this and I think it's good for activity.

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Haven't had that chance to reread. I'll chime in later.

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We aren't fucking lynching an un-cc'ed doc.

Brood is is going to flip town or third-party, and isn't a good lynch.

The doc has no reason to cc.

I wouldn't lynch Vifam in the off-chance the claim is real, plus I wouldn't put claiming doc like that on scum's "to claim" list at all. (especially when Vifam has never been in serious danger all game to plan a doc claim of all things in advance)

I don't really like Brood's claim. I'm fine with his lynch / shot / whatever.
In particular the whole derse / 'whatever the other one was' thing is out of place. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else up to now and the claimed folks confirm this more.

I'm mostly waiting for Fate's response now.

RE: Sanjay and Ald. I'm actually fine with both. Maybe even Ald over Sanjay recently but I'd need to reread.

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If you were serious about the fake-claim thing then doc is not a fake-claim.

I'll admit that the way he handled the claim didn't scream town on my first skimming but it seems fine now.

Gonna take a look at that ISO.

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And nothing eventful happened.

If I had to call it I'd still say he's town though.

P-Edit: It seems like a reeeealy awkward fake-claim. It'd be my first time seeing one anyway.

Even if they were given fake-claims and doc was one of them why use it this early?

P-Edit: Yeah

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Anyone that knows their Homestuck, how likely is this role to even exist? How likely is it pro-town? Brood aside.

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No but I am thinking he's blabbering too much that some of it has to be true. Hence the question. And thanks.

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Good Titan post at #2756.

Day does in fact need to end.

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Yes that's what I meant. And in general it seems like most things have been answered and we'll only stagnate from here.

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Mehdi, I'm lost. Are you still thinking Brood is scum, or does the whole thing with Zdenek change everything?

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Conspiracy theorist self says it could be Zdenek scum stalling a Brood town lynch to get that extra kill. Well, I guess it's not much of a theory if Brood is town -- it's definitely something they'd want to do. So basically either Brood is scum or his claim is true and we risk handing a kill to scum. And the first option is more likely anyway.

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And what happens after he claims roleblocked?

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Titan as someone who actually sees Broodtown over Broodscum you can't say what I'm saying isn't true.

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Or has some hint of truth to it. Or something. It's like you're in denial.

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BT, is the a reason why you didn't mention you thought my case on you was scummy until today? Worried about OMGUSing?

Hindsight.

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When you were shaping up to be a likely lynch and I read your ISO. If memory serves.

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UNVOTE: Brood
VOTE: Sanjay

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The Sanjay wagon was ill-based to begin with, why the hell are you people hopping onto a wagon that is somehow

less

based??

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And by that I mean stop

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Quick answer: I think you're scummy but it's by far less solid than the other two lynches so far. (malp wagon was solid but he flipped town i know)

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@BT: What is your read on Fate? I see the occasional mention of "Fate is being terrible" in your ISO but you have not once supported or denounced his wagon, given a read on him, etc.

I don't have a read on him but that's because I've barely put effort into this game. I'm going to try and read shit tomorrow (since I should have a fair amount of free time then).

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Wait S&R I thought you liked the Sanjay wagon?

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1. xtopherusD
2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
11. Cheery Dog
17. Maenara GaryOak
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs ????
28. Vifam



sanjay scummy as fuck

whoever saids ce was scum gets points

oh holy shit whered this sanjay wagon come from

I think im a bit further than 5 pages behind fffffffffffffffffff

Bumi if youre around did we get a claim out of sanjay? he was shifty as fuck iirc and replaced some crapposter

I'm re-reading backwards, and wasn't looking for any "hints" because it doesnt matter to me when they are both solid town

Sanjays a fine vig target, as is everyone on this fire bomb list:
13. Phillammon
14. torgonitoh [holy shit who IS this seriously?]
15. ActionDan
19. Titan (Ser Arthur Dayne/Tammy)
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shinori Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs


with actual SCUM still:
Zdenek
ActionDan
Vifam

I will hammer Sanjay ot end this bullshit of a fucking day but he's been PRETTY TOWN so far

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So actually I think that's twice considering the second quote

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Yeah sorry mehdi

Guess I'll contribute though I think I'd still rather ~*~read thoroughly~*~ tomorrow

Because it could be he just forgot his read (legit could happen considering this game) and saw some townish recent Sanjay posts

"It could be"

Though honestly he did it twice

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oh holy shit whered this sanjay wagon come from

I think im a bit further than 5 pages behind fffffffffffffffffff

This is what I'm talking about

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It doesn't look like a response towards a wagon on a scumread

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How close are we to hammer

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Mehdi for the sake of a vig pool I'd back up Zeta (considering his mother-of-all-cases ended up on town and he's done nothing else) and I guess Sanjay too unless you still think that's town

P-Edit oh deas and dgb, I guess that's fine

P-Edit
UNVOTE: Sanjay
VOTE: Fate

P-Edit I know I'm the one who said it AVox but just look at what I ended that post with
He did it even earlier, just not as blatant

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VOTE: Sanjay

We can compensate for last day with a super quick D4.

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(also the back and forth on sanjay of fate is pretty hilarious. that + "noir's" comments about him pretty much should confirm him scum

even w/o me...

)

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Claim first.

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Assuming you're still untouchable there's no rush to disclose targets either so that's good.

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Ald's posting overnight was so scum it's not even funny.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4560469 as a sample

UNVOTE: Sankay
VOTE: Alduskkel

Massclaiming can continue but I'm pretty sure I want this dead regardless.

If this takes a long while we can just wagon one of the stallers though.

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(by the way ald himself is stalling for being bent on going after dgb goes)

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Stalling is stalling. We'll talk after your claim.

Hold on while I make a thing.

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Checking in. I'm fine with the massclaim order, and it seems to be going fairly well so far.

Not sure what to make of the Bulletproof claim.

WHAT is going fairly well? What claims are you talking about? And why single out the bp claim?

I could *conceive* that Quilford is black scum but I SERIOUSLY doubt it.

Why black scum? Why suddenly go and coceive stuff like this after

pretty sure Quilford is Town

although I already had a town read on his slot so no big surprise there

this? It doesn't fit.

KP is killing power, Broood clarified that earlier

Actually that's weird now that you mention it, Zdenek doesn't seem to have a killing power

Leaving something like this without exanding on it.

First of all, the "call for [my] blood" is basically YOU. I'm not taking this case too seriously from someone who's lucky to be almost-confirmed.

As for scumhunting, well, first of all, we're engaged in mass claim discussion. Second of all, I'm kind of lazy. Third of all, it's really ridiculous for you to single me out, considering how many other people are also not scumhunting.

This is giving me "why is this happening to me, i am moody for it" scum vibes. The first sentence and last sentence.

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1. I was saying that the mass claim was going fairly well. I was talking in the general sense, so I didn't mean any specific claims. Singled out the BP claim since it was most recent and there was a bit of fuss about it.

So, what, it was going well because people were cooperating? You had no real reason to say that. This and the comment on the BP claim, it's the kind of stuff that do nothing and scum add to their posts "because words".

2. Black scum for flavor reasons. As for why I mentioned that in the first place, well, I'm just paranoid and like to mention any possible option that comes up in my head.

3. Why doesn't it fit?

Ald: This guy is a town read that just got stronger
Ald: Though HE COULD BE SCUM

I know paranoia but it isn't an excuse for this at all.

4. That's a prompt for Zdenek to elaborate on what exactly is going on. I'm not going to call Brood scum, since his claim seems to fit, but it is weird that he mentioned killing power and Zdenek doesn't seem to have killing power. So I was just wondering what's up.

As it is all you did was sow seeds of doubt.

5. I don't have too high of an opinion of Maenara, in case you haven't noticed. That's the first sentence. The last sentence is pointing out how ridiculous Maenara is being, since if by her logic I'm scummy for not doing much in the way of scumhunting at the moment then she should have that opinion of everyone else who's doing that.

I will point out that I did not attempt to refute her attack merely on the premise, "lol, other people are doing it too." I gave other reasons why I wasn't scumhunting at this very moment.

It's an overreaction.

Shadoweh your posts are confusing even when they're backing me up.

P-Edit: Who is scum? Who do you want Maenara to focus on instead?

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Anything to add to this, Sanjay? I see you down there.

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Wait hold up

What I'm saying is basically that there are only 3 people scumhunting right now. Those 3 people don't have a clue what they're doing though, since they're attempting to scumhunt me.

If you guys are trying to bully me into claiming before my turn then it's not going to happen.

"don't have a clue what they're doing"
Is this confirmation bias or are all our arguments crap?

In general this sounds like you know people are getting places but you're trying to make it go away with things like "you're just trying to bully me". Hi scum.

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2. It's paranoia. If you don't have any reason to offer why I can't just be paranoid town, then your point holds no water.

What I AM saying is that it's really fucking unlikely for you to have chosen that exact moment to be paranoid. You mentioned a strong town read and then for whatever random reason you decided to add that tiny bit of paranoia in. What led to that?

3. Sowing the seeds of doubt? Fine by me. Brood's claim is definitely one that needs to be kept a close eye on, considering how shifty Brood was in the claiming process and his overall behavior. I don't suppose you think he's confirmed town? He seems town at the moment (see: Zdenek), but I would not call him confirmed.

Missing the point. Instead of saying you think his claim is bad and explaining or whatever you didn't pick a stance and just went "huh, this is off".

4. I don't see how it's an overreaction.

Why give Maenara's push all the special attention?

5. Your arguments are crap, that's kind of what I'm trying to prove right now.

You're not doing a good job of it.

People that need to claim now:

DeltaWave
Alduskkel
buldermar

Or I guess buld can go after them if he deems it necessary, IDK.

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What's the potential for these two being an ITP team flavor-wise?

I mean Mehdi is pretty town but Mae is a different story.

P-Edit I don't know about DGB but she was originally Nikanor (the townie cat) and I'm liking the Ald wagon more.

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what was townie about nikanor? his votes were pretty bad in hindsight and he didn't towntell at all from what i can see

Eh, attack of the early townread, I guess nothing there is SOLID so whatever.

I can go now. Meenah, VT.

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Why would this make Mehdi scum?

I mean, why lie about the name?

Am I missing something?

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Brood was an option too.

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Buldermar you're the last one that needs to claim.

Why would this make Mehdi scum?

I mean, why lie about the name?

Am I missing something?

In case this was buried in the last page.

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Can someone please answer me?

(yeah I forgot Bumi needs to claim too)

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Waiting on AV.

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How likely is Kurloz to be/not be in the game?

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Basically one of my crack theories right now involves lynchers.

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Her 3rd party is also impossible unless I'm lying since my role pm doesn't say she's not mafia but says she's town.

She IS a miller

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Alternatively I could be 100% right

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I'm thinking right now it's best to lynch from the pool of people we were talking about earlier and let these powerroles shuffle a few more nights.

P-Edit I'm calling credit if this is really vt lyncher

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I haven't actually played with lynchers before but I just assumed they're "town.... but a lyncher". In this case anyway.

I don't know.

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I'm good with lynching Maenara actually. Even if Mae flips SK it won't clear her and we'll probably still want her dead.

P-Edit that's just it manju I don't think it'll explain everything

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Bumi you don't need to worry about a thing

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** even if Mehdi flips SK

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Now I'm worried I'll be seeing 10+ pages when I wake up

(yes I know I'm contributing with this but really now)

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Brood claims he has too

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I'm sheeping Brood. (dear lord) Mehdi's not town, the question is whether we lynch him now or later.

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Sanjay that doesn't account for Maenara's false rolename. Are we just going to assume it was a mod error? How does that even happen?

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So why claim that? Why would he expect Maenara to go with it? (if we assume the reason was not to be suspected as Gamzee, or not to claim Gamzee)

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Like, it only makes remote sense if he thought Maenara was SCUM and took a risk that she's go along with it because of the clear.

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Well, okay, that sounds reasonable, but it's not like this wasn't my main suspicion now anyway. You think we'd be best to lynch him today? Why or who else?

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Okay, time to consult the playerlist.

2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
3. Nachomamma8
4. AurorusVox
5. Alduskkel
8. DeasVail
10. Sunshine and Rainbows (shadoweh and working manju)
12. buldermar
13. Phillammon
14. DeltaWave torgonitoh
15. ActionDan
17. Maenara GaryOak
19. Titan (Ser Arthur Dayne/Tammy)
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shinori Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs
25. Bumi Robocopter87
26. DrippingGoofball Murderface Nikanor
27. Mehdi2277 numberQ
28. Vifam
30. BT

Step 1.

2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
4. AurorusVox
5. Alduskkel
8. DeasVail
13. Phillammon
14. DeltaWave torgonitoh
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
24. Shinori Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs
26. DrippingGoofball Murderface Nikanor
27. Mehdi2277 numberQ

Step 2. (town away)

2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
5. Alduskkel
26. DrippingGoofball Murderface Nikanor
27. Mehdi2277 numberQ

Aaand step 3. (probably-not-getting-lynched-today away)

One of the above three if it's not Mehdi.

Sooo I guess DGB works if there's a consensus on that. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2/3 of them were scum.

UNVOTE: Ald
VOTE: DGB

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(I'm thinking of keeping him around if that's not obvious)

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(It's probably just a survival thing, Sanjay)

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Eh, do you think he'll try vigging town?

[BT]

Killing, w/e.

[BT]

It probably

isn't

anything but survival, but I have a feeling plenty of you aren't going to go with that. Alright.

UNVOTE: DGB
VOTE: Mehdi

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For the record, a SK that randomly knows that X is town is dumb if that's all it is. (maybe it isn't but hell if I have any ideas)

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Like, it only makes remote sense if he thought Maenara was SCUM and took a risk that she's go along with it because of the clear.

You did this twice now Titan

[BT]

To be fair I skimmed these last 10 pages too

[BT]

So I'm pondering SK & Town

The SK would know that the town miller is town

It's actually pretty interesting

[BT]

But hmm, even if Mehdi was thinking irrationally, knowing Maenara's true rolename but claiming a different name is a stupid as fuck idea through and through

Maybe it is SK & Scum

[BT]

I mean I'd probably claim to know Kurloz and make up some random reason for it, it's still shitty but it won't get you caught in a lie.

Town-by-PM Maenara would have no reason to roll with it, at all, ever.

[BT]

Maybe they're two third parties

And Mehdi was surprised to find out Maenara needs him dead

In any case they're probably both non-town

P-Edit "you are a serial killer and you have the option of clearing the town miller, what will you choose to do?" I can see mods doing this kind of thing.

Man hold it with the posts

[BT]

Yeah let's kill them both

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Arguably even if we decide Maenara is town she'll be a hazard at LYLO anyway

[BT]

Sanjay what do you think of my #5389?

[BT]

Plus don't forget about fakeclaims

[BT]

Assuming Mae is scum isn't better?

[BT]

Well, why can't it just be a general statement? The kind of statements mods make that are designed to NOT GIVING ANYTHING AWAY (HOPEFULLY)?

[BT]

No he hasn't

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I'm confused buld, do you think mehdi's bad or not?

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Bumi is obvtown no matter what happens and I'm compelled to listen to his word over anything you hope to do.

You're using the "wait maybe it's the mod's fault" card.

In fact, the only reason anyone thinks you're town is your claim.

Weren't you the one Fate hardbuddied?

... This is where I'd place my vote but Mehdi is bad too. HMMMM

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I already said AVox is fuckin town, and I've never been wrong about him.

AV is town btw, so that wagons dumb. Faraday was pretty town until LOLMULTIBALL so I guess its good he ded

Yeah this AV thing still isn't happening.

Vifam seems like a pretty smart guy

yet he's ignored all red flags and obvious "shut the fuck ups" in regards to AV

and now wants AV lynch over Malp as a priority

there's a connection here, its why Vifam's scum

@DV its a natural reaction really, when getting pressured super hard with a PR you DONT want to claim, but know it would save your ass instantly. Ofc thoughts like "he must KNOW my PR thats why he wants me lynched so bad" come up. AV is 1000% fucking twon

I don't give a fuck what AV has said, I CAN READ AV LIKE A FUCKING BOOK EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN GAME

He is transparent as fuck

now

do you trust me and think im town?

THEN IGNROE AV I SAY HES FUCKIN TOWN HES TOWN

And EVEN IF YOU DID I WOULDNT DEAL EVEN THOUGH I USUALLY WOULD CAUSE AV IS FUCKIN TOWN

AND ITS NOT TERH "IM GONNA SAY I TOLD U SO" OITS THE "DONT FUCKIN EVEN WASTE YOUR TIME HES NOT GETTIN LYNCHED"

Avox, it's over, he's finished.

keep repeating it until its true

Av SHUT THE FUCK UP and ISO ME

if you LOOK FUCKIGN CLOSE ENOUGH YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHING

Right after this was the whole "WAIT GUYS, FATE'S TOWN" campaign.

MMMM

Do we lynch this first or Mehdi?