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Are Paschendale and Alsark on the same team?
Also, thank y'all so much for the spam. Was quite a lovely thing to read.
Where did Noir go? He needs to die too.
VOTE: DeasVail - Because we all know that joining the same wagon as two people you've just accused of being scum is a brilliant idea.
Seriously, though.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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I warned you about the Noir, people. I warned you.
xtoph, your post was bad. Like, looking-for-arbitrary-scumslips-in-things-that-obviously-contain-none-of-such bad. That's real bad.
In other news, Deas still feels like he's trying to force a townread on himself by staging a humerously stupid (fake) townfight.
I'd say something about it being hilariously easy for scum to lurk, as per usual in large themes, but that might not go well with me having two posts on fortyseven pages. Oh, woops, dearie me, I guess I said it anyway. So, yeah, let's have all us inactives vote for the prominent stupid people, as opposed to the silent stupid people.
But not Taz. Because really, let's give him a chance to get lynched due to his own messes as opposed to those of Pasch.
For now, let's kill Plastic-DeasVail.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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UNVOTE: DeasVail
Was mostly bullshit reasoning anyhow. I just needed a convenient scapegoat on whom to focus my attention while I tried to get in after skipping most of what was before I replaced in.
Now then. Satisfied with DV; enough are vouching for his meta ATM that I'd be willing to let him live even if I had a decent scumread on him, which I don't. Wanted a link between Alsark and Pasch, but with both replacing out, I'm finding that hypothetical too pathetic for me to want it to be true. Got lots of townreads, but those are mainly the obvious ones. Don't like Phil, but think it might just be his usual style seeming forced to me - Can anyone vouch for him not deviating notably from the usual?
I do want Pasch/Taz to be scum, in spite of the guarantee from Nacho, who I got as strong town after his vigorous defense of DV earlier, and I'd be willing to default on a Taz lynch as matters are. Still, want to look at other options too. Noir needs to be vigged or otherwise killed, Vifam is not on my town-list due to his not provoking enough controversy, Buldermar is too controversial to not be a town-read at the moment, and what the seven hells is ActionDan doing? Like, literally. I'd like a description thereof.
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Also, the Cheery mess was mostly before I replaced in, from what I can tell, so I need more time to watch that unfold before I know anything.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Realized I was deliberately trying to look town yesterday, which was stupid as hell. Will try to be less useless.
Alsark was acting real weird before he replaced out, and Pasch's actions could quite easily be construed as a bad attempt to distance. Alsark was also on DV's wagon, which is another point not in his favour (And yes, so was I, but I had to check.) Zdenek has said nothing, so there's nothing further to work with yet. I don't see him on the same team as Pandorica, though, seeing as they both made bullshit claims at about the same time, which would be a bit odd for scum.
xtopherusD has an incredible busywork-to-stancetaking ratio, and not in a good way. I'm particularly drawn to the post Epic pointed out, wherein he wanted the day to end with about two weeks to deadline.
Yeah, I can get behind pressuring him.
VOTE: xtopherusD
Also, hello to you too, S&R. My defense: Yes, I was useless.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Would everyone engaging in setup speculation kindly shut their wordholes? You're gonna get stuck on whichever idea you think of first, and it doesn't benefit anyone but scum. Kthx.
You missed a red, Bulderunclaimedscum.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Why Are You Still Attempting To Analyze The Composition Of The Setup Is This A Thing Normally Done By Human People Who Try To Mollify Their Apparent All Consuming Rage? It Is Not Ideal And Is Not A Thing That Should Be Done. This Is A 30 Player Game And We Are Bound To Have Sufficient Time To Do It Without Committing To Erroneous Assumptions At This Point In Time.
BT, what happened to your vote on xtop ages ago, and why is it not a valid thing today?Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Titan, what are your reasons for your read on Phil? I've got him pinged as scum as a gut-read, but I can't put my finger on why, other than excessive attempts to appear reasonable and the good old let's-give-a-line-about-everyone post.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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"oh wow" indeed. Speculating about two people being on the same team is exactly the same as speculating about the exact composition of said teams, and the PRs possessed by various factions.
It couldn't be that I said it because of the distancing thing.
Nope.
Not at all.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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I see him trying to get a reaction and a read. I see him saying he didn't get one. I don't see why that's not valid now.
P-edit: And that has... what, exactly, to do with anything? I fail to see how those things are relevant to my point.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 1522, BT wrote:
Only time I voted xtoph was from when I was undecided and did it for reactions. I'm still undecided.
Well, yeah, but reactions don't appear out of thin air.
In post 1522, BT wrote:?
I thought it seemed like he was looking for a way to bus a buddy, 'specially with them being on the same wagon. Which is why I said the 'same scum team' thing. Makes sense?Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Fragging crossposting and me missing half of them.
In post 1521, Sunshine and Rainbows wrote:the distancing thing is retarded when you consider pasch's overall level of play so yeah
I fail to see how him trying to distance his buddy by attacking him for something completely arbitrary would be too retarded for him, given his performance.
P-edit: Which is why I decided that I would think that for the rest of the game, and never ever consider changing my mind. Except not.
Another P-edit: Hell if I know.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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S&R voting me without much reason beyond being stuck in the idea of me being scum and having each other to make the perfect echo chamber? And then more stupid talk about who has or has not been roleblocked by who in a freakin' 26-remaining-players game?Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Minor point, but the Noir comment was supposed to be a SBaHJ reference.
As for the rest, meh. Will care about what isn't about me tomorrow.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Meeh, xtoph seems okay now, I guess. Reaction hasn't been bad, and mostly in line with his prior style, so is all good.
For now, I'm willing to go for someone who has absolutely failed to play as well as he can, and has instead gone for stating the obvious and voting for either the most popular wagons, or wagons that don't make sense at all. Yes, there's a chance that he might be doing this as town, but if that's the case, it's about time he shows us that.
VOTE: AurorusVoxNow she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 1703, AurorusVox wrote:?
I have played as well as I can. I'm playing the long game here, Maenara.
Is SAR a popular wagon or one that doesn't make sense? Hmm?
Did I get on Pasch because he was popular, or way before? Hmm?
In post 1706, Alduskkel wrote:
Maenara: Scummy in general. DV and ActionDan votes were terrible, current AV vote is really weak too, seems like a lazy scum vote. Definitely willing to lynch Maenara.
Is this how it will be?
Okay, then.
AurorusVox. You have twenty-two posts. Of those, a single one is better than "I think this, no reason why". For anyone willing to dispute this, go check his iso. You're not playing as well as you can. For all I know, you might have real life things going on, but the mere fact that you lied just there makes me think not. You can do better than this, and yet you don't. That's scummy.
And your wagons, H3H3H3.
Yes, the SAR wagon doesn't make sense, unless you're hiding something - And if you've got one such stellar reason, I wonder why you never said it. You were doing your best, weren't you?
Yes, the Pasch one was popular - Traction is not solely measured in the amount of votes on the wagon, but also in how many people would want to vote it. Pasch hasn't dug his bloody grave; he'd entombed the body and planted a tree on top.
And yes, the Titan one was definitely out there. I bring to you, Ladies, Gentlemen and Variations Thereupon, from the Sole Post of Content:
In post 490, AurorusVox wrote:
Titan, if you think the game can be broken, why would you feel cheated UNLESS YOU WERE SCUM? Also confirmed as not reading the thread
VOTE: Titan
What is this. Seriously. What.
Aurorus, just give up already.
This is not scumhunting. This is not quality posting. It's not even a joke, because calling it that would be a travesty. This is a single, feeble attempt to look like a participating player. The only attempt thereat.
This is not good enough.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Stop lying. "X = Y v X = Z" != "X = Y".Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Fancy how you join the wagon of someone you see as scum, Ald, and then neglect to comment on the wagonee having a post with another of your scumreads. One would think that prime commenting material.
Might you have another reason to not wish to get involved?
P-edit: I really should read the whole Malpscp thing in the morning.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Oh, yes, OMGUS. Bring on the buzzwords, that's sure to help.
No, seriously. You bitch in your post about AV not posting enough. You have your vote on me. And yet you neglect the ongoing debate between the two of us.
I mean what.
P-edit: Hi Nacho.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Beetlejuice mode: Engage.
Actually, I was mainly hoping that AV would post something more, so I could continue to bitch at him.
Have read; will comment when blood sugar is at better level.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Readjusting previous statement. Have read, will comment thoughtfully when thinkpan functioning properly once more.
Will comment non-thoughtfully now.
Yes, Malpa is likely to be scum. No, I won't vote for him right now, because I'm tired as hell and I'll probably accidentally hammer him or something. Call me in the morning. I don't get why AV is being ignored. He's scummier than GNR, damnit, and he's just... Bleh. Ne'er mind; I suspect that 'less he says something, he'll get what he deserves eventually. Some of the more active people seem town, some seem more doubtful. Not going to spend time trying to lynch those today. We can use them to find their rivals, first. Hooray for multiball. Let's spend today focusing down those who are both useless and scummy. Like, I guess, Malp.
Yep. Iiii'll just say something more tomorrow something.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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xtoph, you're spending too much time focusing on potential pairings, before we've even had a flip. It's a bad idea; you'll lock onto potential targets. Much as I'm loath to agree with Nacho (Love you, mate), you also need to shut up about bastard modding. Speculating there really doesn't help, and IIRC, this isn't even a bastard game.
Mehdi seems to have claimed way too early, and I've got a bad feeling about him. He asks way too many polite questions; feigned insecurity is usually way of a scumtell. I propose we keep him on a very, very short leash if he doesn't die during the night. Like, say, having town decide who he should shoot. I, personally, would like for him to aim at Alduskkel or AurorusVox.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Well. Things have happened, evidently.
I read them, too. I'm so proud of myself.
I'm not entirely satisfied with some of the reasons for joining the AV wagon, but I am entirely satisfied with it being as popular as it suddenly is. I am no longer as convinced by his scumminess as I was, but my conviction is still strong enough, especially combined with the plethora of info from his flip, that I still advocate his death.
Also, AD, get over yourself, or explain why I need to die.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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If you find him to be so convincingly town, you must also believe that his flip will cement the alignments of many of your suspected players beyond any doubt. You can hardly claim that he has been useful, so his death will not harm town over-much.
That said, you are ignoring Medhi. Is he not one of the more suspicious people on this wagon?Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Fine with Mehdi now. Needed that last bit, though.
In post 2503, ActionDan wrote:Cheery Dog post^ there reads like a laundry list but this part wasn't too bad:
Still says Noir should be killed, yet hasn't given a reason for it yet, nor a vote in his direction. Calls Pasch/Taz scum and then goes and votes in a direction that hadn't seen any votes there yet. With Noir being a scumread that lasted past the bullshit reasoning, wouldn't he be the better person to start a new wagon on?
Naw, 'cause Noir was one of those annoying people you can't get a thing on. I wanted to use my D1 to actually get a few reads down, rather than just poking at Noir, which would be totally useless. I mostly wanted him dead 'cause he was acting like a jackass. As for Pasch/Taz... Eh, again, it was a good wagon, but I wanted to spend more time getting reads. Adding another vote to the Pasch/Taz wagon would just end the day all that sooner.
In post 2503, ActionDan wrote:Maenara, thoughts on the wagons that aren't AV's.
Malp: Acting way too much like a Taz/Noir hybrid for me to not have a scumread on him, so I'm not opposed to the wagon. If it does end up getting lynched, feel free to count me as 'On the wagon' if it gets lynched.
Cheery: Eeeh, can't read him. Him voting for me just makes it harder.
S&R: Stupid wagon.
Zdenek: I don't like him, and I wouldn't mind him getting subjected to pressure, but today is not the day.
Vifam: What is this I don't even.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Also, Mehdi, my problemwaswith the timing of your claim, combined with your way of asking questions. It seemed as if you were trying to constantly readjust your demeanor to fit people's wants, by getting their reads and getting all cozy with them.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Also, Alduskkel is obvScum. He keeps talking about how he won't defend Malp, but never tries to push a read on him. Wants to give him chance to defend himself, but hardly every accuses him of anything. Says that Mehdi and Malp might be scum together, or that something else will go wrong, but still advocates that Malp blocks Medhi just a few posts later? Not very consistent, that.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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I am somewhat worried about people unvoting me this easily, especially given that I don't quite know why they voted me in the first place.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Meh, good enough, I guess.
Still don't like your, as AD called it, 'laundry-list'. I haven't exactly been playing perfectly, but it seemed way forced, as if you were just looking for a convenient target, deciding on one, and then making up evidence as a post-script.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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At least it's concrete. I can work with that for now.
UNVOTE: AurorusVox
Sorry to hear things are not all too well. Looking forward to having you back so I can vote for you again without pangs of bad conscience.
Guess it's time to finally
VOTE: Malpascp
Let's not lynch 'til AV is back, though.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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I agree with the consensus on the Vifam thing; i.e. that it seems like xToph was trying to breadcrumb a result.
VOTE: Vifam
I'm a bit disappointed about Medhi clowning around and shooting Cheery, but I suppose that's just how things go. Doesn't make me trust him, though.
Gut-wise, I haven't got the slightest against lynching Phil, but I can't back it up with anything right now.
Need to re-read some stuff.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Right, 'cause I couldn't be tired as hell. Couldn't be that once you've somehow got the idea into your head that the cop breadcrumbed a guilty, you read the rest as that.
Look, I'll be completely honest here. Yes, I didn't go back to read his posts. No, I didn't ISO Vifam. I thought from the context that you two were saying that he'd breadcrumbed a guilty on him, and given that he'd flipped cop, I thought "Why the hell not? Might as well see how he reacts," because I wanted to contribute something, anything, instead of crumbling down in a big pile of 'screw the entire world right now'.
That backfired, because I'd gotten what you were saying completely arse-backwards.
Now will y'all scum, reaction testers, zealous townies and other mixed company please get your votes off me, or start justifying them with something other than this?
P-edit: Yes, for sweet Cthulhu's sake, I threw the vote without a lot of consideration. Why? Because it was nowhere near a lynch, and it'd garner a reaction, that's why! It just so happened that I messed up and hence got a reaction that is completely useless for everyone save for the two town-factions.
P-edit2: Oh, for... No, I'm not letting you lynch me for this if I can prevent it, and will you kindly either shut up, lynch me or start talking about something else, because you are repeating yourself quite a bit here.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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What the hell, you guys.
How does a miserable lack of reading comprehension constitute a scumslip? And if it wasn't a mistake, what the hell would I gain from it?
A scumslip is being caught doing something with a scum motivation, lying, or revealing knowledge you couldn't possibly have.
Which of these have I been doing?
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Actually, let me elaborate.
How come you are all so quick on this wagon? How come this has blown up in less than four hours? How come you are willing to lynch someone for not reading properly, instead of the 'vigilante' who just shot a townie without proper cause? How come you are willing to end the day now, rather than actually spending time scumhunting? It's not as if you couldn't lynch me afterwards anyway.
Imagine the two scenarios. One where I am town, and one where I am scum. Why did I do this, why did I make this mistake, in the respective scenarios? How likely does each explanation seem? And why would people jump on the respective wagons - or stay off, for that matter? And what do you gain and lose from lynching me, in each scenario? Weigh the cost and benefits.
And don't let scummy players go an entire in-game day without posting while handing them a valid excuse. That's bloody stupid.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Everything said about AVox yesterday still applies.
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In post 2571, AurorusVox wrote:I will stop being a fucking useless slot over the weekend I PROMISE. If I do not then I will request replacement for the first time ever (I will not let this happen 100% guarantee)
Really needs to happen. Realize real life can be problematic at times, but explicit promises and all that.
VOTE: AurorusVox for motivation.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Hey, everyone. Let's play Dissect-a-Post!
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:Tammy probably did.
"Let us open our post with a light-hearted statement, to appear less threatening." - What does scum do? Worry about how people see them. How do scum feel when posting? Anxious and paranoid. Who uses joking around to make themselves seem less aggressive and worrisome? Scum.
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:Anyways
"Please don't pay too much attention to this post, I really don't like attention." - This word, this single word, just serves makes the above light-hearted statement seem worse.
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:fate opinion on philla/brood?
"Please tell me which player I can get lynched without risking my position." - Asking assertive players for their reads is typical scum-play. A townie would rather ask one of the quieter ones, as they're the ones that are hard to figure out.
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:That and vifam's play when mae was pushed doesn't look scum
"By which I, of course, mean that my own play was, by inference, equally towny, which will make me look better when Maenara flips town." - He is careful not to point out that he's doing the exact same thing as Vifam. When I, and presumably Vifam as well, then flip town, he'll be made to look townie by association, without ever having taken the risky action of pointing out his own good deeds.
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:(unless he's scum with mae which I don't think is true).
"Look, ma, I built a town cred!" - Getting townreads on what he sees as safe bets prone to night-kills, in an attempt to look better when they die. Again.
In post 2786, Mehdi2277 wrote:Then hinted cop innocent.
"Also, I pay attention. Aren't I good?" - Affirming a popular opinion, as to seem to be in agreement with a large amount of players.
That post was bad, Mehdi. Try again.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 2798, Sunshine and Rainbows wrote:Someone who is freaking out about being townie lynched should not be calm enough to go tee hee motivation tag!
Point of order: By y'all's logic, scum freaking out would belesscalm than a townie getting lynched, or so I divine from Titan's kind "roll over and die".
Whether or not I am calm bears little relevance in the matter of whether or not I am scum.
Also, still looking forward to hearing from AV.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Please rephrase the second half of that in actual English.
In either case, literally the only thing from AVox since he promised to start posting more or replace out - which was ten days ago - has been him jumping on the wagon on me. I feel rather justified in wanting some pressure on him until he does either.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 2911, Bumi wrote:Mae, let me help you.
Why don't you want to claim?
If you are afraid, why? If you are afraid of being nightkilled, refusing to claim will result in your death anyway.
Why not take the nightkill and hope other town PRs can live?
This is scummy. Stop it.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 2956, BT wrote:Pretty much my answer to Vifam. Actually, Zdenek would probably be second pick. I'm not reallyagainstthe AV wagon but last time it has no real reason to suddenly show up as opposed to other wagons and I think it's happening to an extent right now too.
It has the reason that he made an explicit promise, which he has yet to honour. There's the difference from the other wagons.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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It's 'cause I'm a sucky player and an easy mislynch, in comparison. H3h3h3.
Let's be fair. Not just in comparison.
Fate, I'd be willing to give you free reins, just for the hell of it, if it weren't for AV. He pulled the "Oh, woe is me, RL is going downhill, but I promise I'll either shape up or replace up in, like, three days." It's now ten days later, and he has done neither. I don't support lying, especially not with people who aren't contributing in the first place.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Yah. I came from a terrible site, and the only game so far I didn't completely misread was my second newbie game. I've successfully attracted everyone's votes multiple times over in all other games, IIRC.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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In post 2997, DeasVail wrote:Have you always thought this or is it just this game?
All the while. I'd cite my first game, but I was scum there, so that's sorta useless.
In post 3004, Fate wrote:I don't give a fuck what AV has said, I CAN READ AV LIKE A FUCKING BOOK EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN GAME
He is transparent as fuck
now
do you trust me and think im town?
THEN IGNROE AV I SAY HES FUCKIN TOWN HES TOWN
Sorry, policy on my part. Straight-up lies and unkempt promises are no-gos, as are such blatant refusals to participate. Allowing them makes it a viable choice for scum, as happened in a certain other game I was recently in; Buldermar and Shinori should know what I'm talking about here.
Also, I didn't say I trusted you. I said I'd let you have free reins - you'd be enough of a force of nature to make several other people clearly readable as a result. You are in my town-pile for now, but there's a difference.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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That was, uh, first or second newbie game? Probably the first one, yah?
Well, he was that bad.
I didn't say I had low self-worth, nor that I wasn't arrogant. Merely that, looking at it objectively, my lacking skills when it comes to proper reads and my penchant for getting voted for by everyone makes me a sub-par player. Yah, cognitive dissonance is the name of the game, but meh. When I was an informed minority, a lot of the pressure was removed, and I had a far easier time; it was certainly not hard at all to see that a fellow scum was acting in an attention-garnering fashion.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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Generally, I was under the impression that the whole claiming business was a less than stellar idea when more than two thirds of all players remain alive, barring unusual circumstances (Threatened cop with guilty, doc at -1, miller and so on).
How come there's this much claiming, soft-claiming and role-fishing all going on at once? Seems it'd be a somewhat safer bet to just quiet down for a little while.
Oh, and lynch AVox. Can't forget that part. 'cause srsl.
P-Edit: Some day, I really need to learn to tell the heads of the hydras apart, so I know which one is the useful one.Now she's in purple, now she's the turtle~
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