Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[Mehdi2277]

So I'm scum for it because it makes no sense as both alignments?

[Mehdi2277]

Or when as town I know mae is lying for some reason about her role.

[Mehdi2277]

You know I'm pretty provable as a killer if you wait one night or so and count the number of kills. There's also the fact that there is a high number of kill stopping roles and you want to see the max number of possible kills.

[Mehdi2277]

Mehdi, from your perspective, why is Maenara making up stuff to get you lynched when you've confirmed her as a town?

I don't know. It's the same as how her speculation on me buddying her since she thought I was scum makes no sense when the buddying came before.

[Mehdi2277]

Tammy/Arthur it's more of a pain to me when the one person I know is town is calling me a liar. Shi didn't claim a role name.

[Mehdi2277]

Even if Mehdi is THE MOST LIKELY SCUM he may still not be the optimal lynch because of how detrimental it is when he is speaking the truth. Is there no way he can be speaking the truth?

Talk to mae about that. I'm not going to believe the mod would lie to me in my role pm with the game not being advertised as bastard. She's not scum without the mod lying to me completely.

And Dan I've already basically let you guys choose my kill when it comes to helping decide kill pools.

[Mehdi2277]

Again for her to be scum makes the game bastard (unless I'm lying which makes no sense for me).

P-edit: Role that wants to be lynched and role that goes from town to scum.

[Mehdi2277]

Her 3rd party is also impossible unless I'm lying since my role pm doesn't say she's not mafia but says she's town.

[Mehdi2277]

Yup.

P-edit: Depends on the type of judas (still doesn't make sense with my actions).

[Mehdi2277]

100 percent if I'm town and a different number if I'm scum.

[Mehdi2277]

Wouldn't a VT lyncher not be town?

[Mehdi2277]

She claims that she didn't want to claim before and be lynched for it (which also makes no sense since why not just claim vt now if that's the case).

Philla. I already said that. And he lived because he was BP.

[Mehdi2277]

Well I've never seen a town lyncher. They're classified as 3rd party by wikia and by EM standards (and by I think the few games they do pop up). Town unlyncher doesn't occur either to my knowledge.

Millers look mafia to cops.

[Mehdi2277]

hey can we stop speculating and just lynch mehdi? i 100% guarantee that will explain everything, and the odds of town!mehdi are impossibly low given the situation

Or let mae comment on this again.

[Mehdi2277]

He claims he has.

[Mehdi2277]

So basically shoot someone I know is town to make you guys worry less?

[Mehdi2277]

Then just repeat the question buld/bt asked. Would someone with multiple win cons be considered town (I don't think so).

[Mehdi2277]

I disagree when one pretty much just hurts the town. I can't see town win con + lyncher win con = town. That makes little sense role pm wise either since why I would be told my lyncher is town.

[Mehdi2277]

Why should vifam protect me when I've claimed BP now?

[Mehdi2277]

If scum why help her is the best argument unless she's scum with me.

[Mehdi2277]

Look at your role mae and think for a minute before continuing. Then stop this mess.

[Mehdi2277]

Since it's only a lie if mae is telling the truth when I think she's being dumb. Or again what scum motivation do I have to claim BP besides being dumb?

[Mehdi2277]

That doesn't explain why I'd do any of this.

And S/R her being an usurper can be shown false if we have a night with 3 kills. So that's pretty wrong too.

[Mehdi2277]

When you've gotten to the point that I have something like a limited scum night vig with a usurper partner for me to make sense as scum then there's a problem with me being scum. Not sure what a bookie even is.

[Mehdi2277]

We're both town with mae being crazy to act this way or something really strange is going on role wise.

P-edit: Again a bookie + usurper being a reasonable theory for me scum is just dumb.

[Mehdi2277]

We're both town with mae being crazy to act this way or something really strange is going on role wise.

P-edit: Again a bookie + usurper being a reasonable theory for me scum is just dumb.

[Mehdi2277]

I find it more believable then taking roles that almost never appear in any game.

[Mehdi2277]

Or why I didn't just bus her when I generally love to bus? So as mafia I'd do all I could to keep one other mafia member alive and that member happens to be a usurper who didn't claim miller when I said I knew she was town if she just wanted me dead and I'm a bookie/mafia vig.

[Mehdi2277]

Actually I'll go with the bastard theory since mae lying this much I don't see happening. I shoot her and we see what happens.

[Mehdi2277]

S/R the only way for me scum is also really improbable game things occurring. Mae trolling would have been the best guess but to the point to keep on forcing this the game lying is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Mehdi2277]

I have to be scum because it's improbable I'm town with the way claims have gone, but that doesn't apply the other way?

[Mehdi2277]

I'm leaning towards bastard modding which is why I said I'd shoot her unless she decides to stop this trolling or reaction test or whatever she's doing for this game to not be bastard. It's also why I said mae look at your role pm and think whether doing this is a good idea. I can see damara miller considering what some others said about the character so the miller part could be true, but the character isn't with b-modding.

[Mehdi2277]

Ald what are the chances of Damara megido as a miller (or any of you flavor people)?

[Mehdi2277]

VOTE: Dgb

[Mehdi2277]

And adding to the role mess I'm not cc so I am aradia. Want to explain why philla would know the existence of a scum BP especially when he's said from his role pm it's likely a town person with the role (or how aradia makes sense as scum since philla is saying she exists)?

[Mehdi2277]

So yeah I'm confirmed town until I hear how Aradia is scum or philla is scum.

[Mehdi2277]

. I KNEW FROM MY PM THAT THERE IS ANOTHER BULLETPROOF WHO WOULD BE CALLED ARADIA. THAT'S MEHDI.

B-mod chances being low ignore mae completely is another option as long as she keeps up this lie.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm not lying. Mae trolling is the only explanation besides b-modding currently. Vifam you yourself said I don't make sense as scum.

[Mehdi2277]

Then philla is also scum since he just confirmed me as town. And mae would still be trolling.

[Mehdi2277]

Brood philla confirmed me as town so if I'm scum he is. And this isn't just a BP vig but a mess of role stuff. How many votes do I even have?

[Mehdi2277]

Mae look back a page. He specifically said that from his pm aradia would be a role. Aradia is town. I'm annoyed you right now for doing this (as a player not a person).

[Mehdi2277]

I'm curious how my character makes sense as 3rd party?

[Mehdi2277]

Ald I gave my flavor. It didn't mention god tier for me and that seems mostly stuff that can be answered from your knowledge.

[Mehdi2277]

My pm doesn't mention it at all so I'll assume no. Looking it does refer to mention me dying but again my flavor isn't something long and detailed.

[Mehdi2277]

Zdenek did say he used the power so I'm guessing brood heard he could use it while zdenek used it.

[Mehdi2277]

BP's aren't told they're shot to my knowledge (I've never been and I don't think philla knew I tried to kill him).

[Mehdi2277]

Well philla not knowing he was shot (he would have said it I think) is the better way of knowing. And remember bumi protected you last night as well.

[Mehdi2277]

And zdenek couldn't save everyone. He can protect two people at once I think once during this game. I think he used it although checking back that isn't clear.

[Mehdi2277]

I don't see why aradia would know kurloz is town if the mistake is he put the wrong role name for mae in my pm (and to be accurate my pm tells me gary is damara not mae so I'm guessing he just forwarded the pm numberq got at game start). I can ask if there was a mistake with the role pm.

[Mehdi2277]

I honestly don't see how the mistake could occur (kurloz being called damara is fairly off when kurloz and aradia are connected how?), but I asked and we'll see what the response is.

[Mehdi2277]

We've had people flip town. I don't think the game is that bastard to lie about flips.

[Mehdi2277]

How strongly is it implied aradia is in this game?

[Mehdi2277]

So who's the cult leader and who's been recruited?

[Mehdi2277]

Two mafia teams + a Cult makes no sense balance wise.

[Mehdi2277]

Phil would be helping mae if that was true. And balance wise it doesn't work and cult itself is considered bastard usually.

[Mehdi2277]

Well the first thing is me being god tier isn't mentioned in my role pm. I still think philla is town so currently it's back to me and mae's interesting situation.

[Mehdi2277]

Time powers make me tough to beat. It's just linked with me being a vig since that's also used as a reason for me being able to attack someone (time and like for breaking things).

[Mehdi2277]

So what are we waiting on now besides quadz to answer me on my role? Dgb lynch I'm for.

[Mehdi2277]

Considering vifam likely got shot and was protected that could guilty one or two scum

[Mehdi2277]

Time powers make me tough to beat. It's just linked with me being a vig since that's also used as a reason for me being able to attack someone (time and like for breaking things).

[Mehdi2277]

I'm not sure what the comic beat is. And that's just the flavor I had.

[Mehdi2277]

Succeed in getting that to make sense? Although if I really am a limited scum vig I guess phil being willing to make himself look worse by helping me is viable.

[Mehdi2277]

It's not like I'd die quickly so the swingy complaint of it doesn't work well. That and why claim BP again besides me trying to help philla if we're both scum somehow?

[Mehdi2277]

Well the main point in all this comes down to mae so seeing the mod reply to questions/pm can help.

[Mehdi2277]

That can be proven false by a night with 3 kills so wait one night and that is now false.

[Mehdi2277]

Nothing is directly implied of Aradia, but as my bulletproofing is specifically worded as me only dying a just death, along with other word for word descriptions of god tier, and the fact that it was highly likely that all 12 trolls existed within the game to my mind, it seemed logical that Aradia, as another god tier, would have the same power, likely with identical wording.

I know that if there is an Aradia, she is definitely bulletproof. Beyond that, I don't know anything else.

Anyway here's phil on the bp thing for s/r.

[Mehdi2277]

Vifam that can still be proven false. And I still think the scum vig theory is a ridiculous theory trying to find some way for me scum here.

[Mehdi2277]

And why didn't mae just call me on it day 3 then when I called her clear if she was a miller and she wanted to usurp me? Or why did I work so hard to save one scum partner. And how is a 3 man scum team of me, mae, and philla possible when 2 scum have flipped from both teams (that'd make 5 mafia per team).

[Mehdi2277]

Actually ignore the first part since a miller usurper doesn't work (she could have still called me on the clear by claiming miller if she planned to back then though).

[Mehdi2277]

Cult theory is I'm town and mae was town that became cult if I understood it right.

[Mehdi2277]

What can we not see that involves me scum? 5 scum with a scum vig?

[Mehdi2277]

So scum limited vig with BP (which there isn't much of a way to confirm the BP unless av watches scum shoot me), scum Joat, scum redirector/1 shot roleblocker, scum usurper, and scum goon is a viable scum team?

[Mehdi2277]

30 players with a scum team that has to deal with the other scum team and likely 20 townies (assuming the 5 scum per team theory is correct) with a usurper doesn't seem balanced with the likely level of town power.

P-edit: Except por called xtoph scum and wanted him dead. And it doesn't matter since I can just prove I can kill next night (part of the debate is that there has never been the max number of kills if I was a vig even though this game is full of things that block death).

[Mehdi2277]

I got my role pm response just now. The pm was mostly right just it wasn't supposed to give any role name for mae (makes even less sense flavor wise then before but meh).

P-edit: How do you confirm a BP beyond watching scum to me when the other vig is dead? Av showing up would help with this role mess.

[Mehdi2277]

Arthur how many times do I have to say this. Wait one night. Count the number of night kills. If you count 3 then you know that me being a vig is true.

[Mehdi2277]

You can ask them in thread but I think the response you're getting is they can't answer since it'd basically clear me. Actually here:

Mod: Has there been any set up/role pm errors?

P-edit: I was told that shouldn't have been there and nothing else. Mae being confirmed town to me wasn't said to be wrong so that's still true.

[Mehdi2277]

You realize the person that's most troubled by the mistake is me not you.

P-edit: Something not making any sense as town has to be scum when you can't explain any scum motive without resorting to something like usurper. I could have lied about my role if that'd make you feel better.

[Mehdi2277]

Have you ever seen me mad by posting?

[Mehdi2277]

I don't know. I assumed when the role name was there it was because we were related but now I just don't know.

[Mehdi2277]

And titan am I supposed to be calm as scum or mad if something screwed me over like this?

[Mehdi2277]

I don't know. I assumed when the role name was there it was because we were related but now I just don't know.

[Mehdi2277]

And if I'm scum you think I wouldn't be when before all this I was called mostly confirmed town? Me not sounding mad to you being a scum tell is just ridiculous whether I am or not.

[Mehdi2277]

Quadz did.

[Mehdi2277]

As for when I posted shortly after he answered me saying it.

[Mehdi2277]

And if you really need something to back it I posted that a few minutes before he posted elsewhere.

[Mehdi2277]

I'll only shoot him if quadz/gorrad respond to the question in thread on this game being potentially bastard.

[Mehdi2277]

Well if they're reading in order they'll answer it when the reach the question. I'm still not really for shooting mae when the best that could occur is she's a lyncher (and depending how she reacts to me saying I don't have her as damara might help) who's likely harmless to keep alive.

[Mehdi2277]

You misread. Anyways question wise main thing is mae is town or town lyncher and neither are something I'd want to kill and av needs to show up.

[Mehdi2277]

I'll say I'm surprised cult and bastard aren't the same answer, but I still doubt we have a cult.

So this is the tammy head?

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah she is.

[Mehdi2277]

I just noticed something interesting. Zde why did you care as much to claim everything about getting shot if you're untargetable?

[Mehdi2277]

Although really assuming the claim is true it's null and untargetable can be tested really easily.

[Mehdi2277]

Can you answer the same question for me?

[Mehdi2277]

The only way to make differences meta wise is if I played differently on purpose and then that just basically be claiming scum/town. Phil's claim manner is really the main thing I like (and the thought he put in inferring all of that) with him. Ald while some of you might complain on his flavor hunting he's definitely trying when it comes to understanding flavor and explaining it in thread when it could just be said in a mafia qt. I'm more willing to go on sanjay with how everything has gone and he makes a decent vig kill now (assuming dgb is lynched). Dan I remember you saying you wanted my kill directed? Do you want it completely directed or by pools like before of a few people?

[Mehdi2277]

And tammy I'll assume you and arthur will argue over me later considering how the vote is going? Kind of wish you two used a qt, but you're likely using something else.

[Mehdi2277]

That's been dealt with before. Even assuming all prs besides me are town good luck balancing a scum vig (and only limited scum vig is anywhere worth arguing so 3 nights with kills assuming no one scum team is wiped out and if you can still say that well explain balance to me).

[Mehdi2277]

Actually we have all the claims now so looking at balance is a good start. Assuming all town pr claims are true (and out of the likely 4 mafia left I expect them to be mainly vanilla claiming) power wise we have this:

10 Vanillas + Hat Giver + BP Vig with clear + Odd Night Watcher + Cop + Super Jailer (really just alien) + Untargetable/1 shot double protect after getting ring + Ring Seeker + Doc + BP + Miller + Joat vs Joat + Redirector/1 shot Global RB + ??? + ??? vs Goon + Role Cop + ??? + ???

I'd guess the last two scum roles on the green side consist of one weak/medium pr and one goon while black has some more useful prs to balance out scum team power. Now that's written somewhat easier to look at someone who actually understands balance for a game this size beyond scum vig doesn't work well can look at it.

P-edit: No mae's role name wasn't supposed to be a part of the pm at all and my correct role pm was just that part taken out.

[Mehdi2277]

Oh I missed a role on that list. Add in the other vig for the town side.

P-edit: Questions were asked and responded to so just keep on reading. Anyways I think considering my kill will likely be pretty directed now unless scum wants to not kill someone there won't be overlap as much (or green/black both shoot the same guy but I don't think that's likely).

[Mehdi2277]

I doubt it. Since if yes it'd be joat + redirector type role + role cop + goon. I except power levels to be the same so a goon on green side and a weaker pr is what I'd guess while black having two stronger prs (I can see symmetry like give black a bus driver since redirection and bus driving work similarly). Don't think we have a role blocker when no one has claimed role blocked with all the pr claims.

[Mehdi2277]

If I had to guess specifically something like tracker or watcher for green (to find prs similar to the role cop on black) + goon and black have something of that joat's power (which joat power variates a lot) + some other power role. Bus driving shenanigans thinking on it likely would have occurred and be mentioned by now. Not really sure what to put for a counter part.

[Mehdi2277]

Av has green scum fits power wise although not sure how well he fits there as a team when he helped fate so much. Him as black scum I don't really consider scum watcher to be strong enough to equal with the other green power needed to balance mafia power.'

P-edit: Yeah but I was referring to black scum bus driver and we haven't seen anything go strangely like that since then. Although bus driver is a bit harder to use then redirector. I'm assuming epic was redirected and not bus driven to whoever he shot.

[Mehdi2277]

Strangely if green redirected por onto epic/noir why shoot the other? It'd make sense to aim just at people they thought were black scum or just at town but instead it seems they went with shoot someone who looked scummy and someone who looked town (although this is based on people's reactions to the shots since I didn't read most of day 1).

[Mehdi2277]

A small error and lying are two different things.

[Mehdi2277]

And yes when the role pm I got before it was corrected included your role name I'm going to think I knew for sure it was your role name.

[Mehdi2277]

When else am I supposed to figure it out? Seriously how else am I supposed to think my role pm is incorrect without finding out you claiming something different. And no the GF thing involves me scum while the cult thing I personally doubt and few people believe. I know I bother you for a reason I'll never understand since you're like the one person who's pushed me for a while, but can you not understand something basic like there's no way for me to just easily assume my role pm was wrong before this occurred.

[Mehdi2277]

It's also the thing called you yourself can't give a scum motivation to me doing this beyond you hinted that you thought I was a SK and I must be defending you for it when I called you town before that had even happened.

[Mehdi2277]

I shot philla.

[Mehdi2277]

And we've mass claimed just about everything by now (missing who did zdenek target with his protects but beyond that I think everything). I also want to hear your watch results now that mass claim is over (no one claimed a killing power although bumi did claim joat who protected targeted vifam).

[Mehdi2277]

And philla claimed BP.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm actually interested in why fake claim watcher. Lynch av shoot dgb works.

As for the mae is scum and I am too then why help her when a SK job is to generally to kill everyone else which would include other scum. Anyways I've mostly defended it already and explained all I could. Buld clearing a town bp vig would be pretty bad for game balance considering if they're cleared they won't ever die.

[Mehdi2277]

And roleblocker theory sucks because I'd expect one of the other prs to be role blocked considering bumi hadn't claimed before. Lack of any player claiming role blocked makes the role itself seem unlikely to be alive.

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah still don't want to. She's scum that I saved is a great theory when a SK needs to get rid of scum just as much as they would town.

P-edit: Yes.

[Mehdi2277]

Except it's fairly known that global role blocking didn't occur and was just a theory brood had and later shown false. Any other ways for you to be telling the truth?

[Mehdi2277]

Buld how can scum win if I'm clear. Think about that for a minute or two if needed.

[Mehdi2277]

Zdenek was your ring action to save everyone?

I'm Peregrine Mendicant, I was a VT. I received the ring from Broodking last night. I now have two abilities. I don't see any reason to disclose them.
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I am untargetable at night, and I have a one shot ability where I can protect two people at night.

Brood thought it might be global roleblock and zdenek later said no it was something else.

[Mehdi2277]

Buld I doubt he'd be the one role blocked if scum had a role blocker. Just don't target one of the people av plans to watch and his power won't touch you.

[Mehdi2277]

What other error could it be? What error in a scum role pm could they have done at the same time?

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah again he's very unlikely to be role blocked when a. just don't target me or vifam and b. don't think scum role blocker exists.

P-edit: There's a difference between looking for all reasonable possibilities and just looking for all possibilities.

[Mehdi2277]

Is 5495 supposed to be different?

[Mehdi2277]

I consider SK as part of scum, but k what error in a SK role pm would there be?

[Mehdi2277]

Curious why zeta is just yellow? Or why shi is light orange?

P-edit: I've been trying to shoot scum unless you think I had a town read on philla and cheery and why buddy mae out of all possible scum when I could try to help someone like Av who'd likely be smarter about that. Do you think all of my shots are aimed at town (I don't mind having them directed on someone that I don't have as clear).

[Mehdi2277]

Shi's mainly has the way she claimed helping her. That and I think quil is solid green and not light green.

P-edit: I can say that's a dumb idea for me as scum, but there's no real way to argue I know I wouldn't try to keep one other scum alive. Especially with the fact I'm BP if I was scum BP who cares if scum want to kill me.

[Mehdi2277]

And actually what do all the colors mean? Red = scum, orange = null, yellow = lean town, and green = town?

P-edit: We lack any investigative type roles and I don't want to shoot someone clear to me.

[Mehdi2277]

I can say that's a dumb idea for me as SK, but there's no real way to argue I know I wouldn't try to keep one other mafia alive. Especially with the fact I'm BP if I was SK BP who cares if mafia want to kill me.

[Mehdi2277]

It depends on the type of roles. The more investigative power the more likely they'll be investigative immune. The more killing powers the more likely they'll be BP.

[Mehdi2277]

Then why claim vig to be directed at mafia?

[Mehdi2277]

I wasn't getting lynched nor have I really been suspected for anything until all this role mess up occurred.

[Mehdi2277]

Except it's not worth much. Only thing it saves me from is possible watcher/tracker and they don't matter if I shoot scummy people. Or the best answer is I'm a vig who actually wanted to claim (second time I've done so).

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah if she was town I'd know she wouldn't and if she was scum why risk my life for hers when the moment she dies and flips scum everyone would know I lied.

[Mehdi2277]

Or if he was scum he could have just played along and be clear for the rest of the game. She's trusted less now then before.

[Mehdi2277]

I think she'd be to pretty dumb to not realize that with me being BP and no one wanting to lynch me if she just confirmed the story she'd be clear unless I died and that wasn't likely to occur. If you're willing to go with theories of me as SK with a role pm mistake the best one just is I had a role pm mistake as town and she thought I was scum for it.

VOTE: Av

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah if she was town I'd know she wouldn't and if she was scum why risk my life for hers when the moment she dies and flips scum everyone would know I lied.

At that point you could always just claim that there had been an error in your role PM *shrug*

Would anyone believe that? (yeah I realize we're arguing a different error right now too)

[Mehdi2277]

Shooting Dgb works well for me and I think most people.

Buld I'm in the worse position here having to argue all kinds of theory on how I must be scum when one role error screwed me over. I still find having to argue not being a mafia vig to be funny.

[Mehdi2277]

What roles have powers left to use besides me and vifam? Vifam can protect bumi/dan (or really any pair of likely town so they live) and me shoot dgb (I will not shoot mae).

[Mehdi2277]

Lean town I think

[Mehdi2277]

And me and mae can only really be dealt with by lynching one of us two or trusting us since I have no reason to shoot her.

[Mehdi2277]

I'd rather vifam protect one of two people just to prevent scum from killing two people instead of one (I doubt they'd go for a 50/50 chance). Outside of that night plans work and I think hat should go to s/r since they wanted it (or any character in flavor that wants hats).

[Mehdi2277]

I'd disobey you as either alignment if that was the order. If I actually was SK and I know I'm not an idiot then me doing all this for mae must be for some good reason. If I'm town I'd not want to shoot a clear.

P-edit: I'd be willing to take a 66 percent chance of killing someone if I was mafia so I don't think a triplet is a great idea (although I guess with the amount of mafia dead they might not be willing to take any risks now).

[Mehdi2277]

How likely is we're both scum? Both require improbable things to be true.

Three is too much since you're more likely to kill then not if you shoot in the protect pool.

[Mehdi2277]

My point is I think they'd accept the 2/3 chance of killing.

[Mehdi2277]

Although without vifam having any protection source he'll likely be killed now.

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah but it requires really strange roles since the best theory so far is I'm a BP SK who is trying to keep mafia mae alive because I don't want all the mafia dead when I need them dead to win if I was an SK and am willing to claim an innocent on her so if she dies and flips scum I die. If that's the best theory you guys can make as a group over hours of thinking then there is a problem.

S/R fake claimed role blocked to look like a pr, but are vanilla.

[Mehdi2277]

What reason was there to reveal it? You could complain now, but there was never a push to do so before today and that was before I'd claimed BP so just letting scum be unsure of my power was beneficial (kind of sad 0 scum tried to kill me though).

[Mehdi2277]

He was unclear on it. We can wait for zdenek if desired but he's not ever dying assuming untargetable covers kills.

[Mehdi2277]

He later says yes to bumi on the role and the problem being was the yes I used my power or was it a yes to I could have used my power.

P-edit: Brood, Bumi, and Nacho

[Mehdi2277]

Oh and this game is officially the longest now I think.

[Mehdi2277]

It's hard to confirm being BP especially when every night I've been alive someone has protected me. And I have no reason to fake this long when it's getting me in a position of being lynched which is worse then being night killed.

[Mehdi2277]

Nacho is clear and Brood is near clear. Whether they've helped a lot is arguable but I'd say they're fine to protect since clears at the end can screw any mafia team.

[Mehdi2277]

Really the whole point of the BP claim was philla saying there's likely another bp and so that he didn't get stuck when no else claimed bp.

[Mehdi2277]

I want nacho at least in it for sake of being clear and I guess you can swap brood for someone else.

[Mehdi2277]

Scum can't kill philla also because he's bp.

P-edit: I'm not against it. I'll admit I have no clue how much people care for what I say now.

[Mehdi2277]

The other vig claimed just vig. His n1 kill was likely redirected (which is strange considering that somehow green scum wanted both noir and epic dead).

[Mehdi2277]

Ald how important of a character is rose? As in do you think scum have safe claims now that we've actually had scum claim?

P-edit: vs likely 8 scum with one vig likely dying early on.

[Mehdi2277]

Or whatever the scum joat is (likely bumi power level) and a 1 shot global role blocker that basically lets scum skip a night phase.

[Mehdi2277]

Oh and if the redirector was alive if a vig claims they'd never get to shoot who they want.

[Mehdi2277]

In this game unless you expect the redirector dead early only one town vig is more of a hindrance then a benefit if they'll just be used as a second mafia night kill for green team (plus black's yet to be seen remaining power which av dying should help uncover since he's likely black).

[Mehdi2277]

Likely to either epic or noir. Which is kind of impossible to know.

[Mehdi2277]

He isn't, but considering he's handing us AV and general play he's fairly obviously town.

[Mehdi2277]

Well dan, bt, s/r, etc could be but they'd be really dumb lynches. It's a case of his play looks town and now he's just given a guilty basically.

P-edit: Since he already looked town and the thought process that went in getting AV trapped look genuine.

[Mehdi2277]

I can't be killed by scum. I'll shoot dgb not mae assuming maestro meant mae.

[Mehdi2277]

Av could be lying about no one trying to kill me. The only people protected are me and av with everyone knowing viral would protect me. I doubt scum shot philla.

[Mehdi2277]

Av might not even be a watcher and just fake claimed it hoping the fake claim would work. I doubt he is or he would have called bumi a liar earlier and try to get him lynched.

[Mehdi2277]

And vifam protecting av was known so I really doubt anyone shot av.

[Mehdi2277]

You claimed when vifam said you'd be shot.

[Mehdi2277]

Well Mae thought I was scum for sure when I said she was a role she wasn't. Now that the part isn't part of my role anymore both of us being toan without any lyncher thing is possible.

[Mehdi2277]

Arthur just because you think I'm a SK doesn't make me one.

Mod error with my role.

[Mehdi2277]

Zde not sure what you read but the mod error thing has beenargued too.

[Mehdi2277]

How can we tell if av lies again. Zed gorrad/quadz said in thread they can't really answer on if there was an error or not.

[Mehdi2277]

Zde can protect two people so who is he protecting besides vifam. Build he can have two targets an decide at night whether to protect or not but how is saving the power for later a good idea?

[Mehdi2277]

Titan what was the result last night?

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah but the longer you wait the less good targets there will be.

[Mehdi2277]

Mae you'll never die.

[Mehdi2277]

And I thought fate was town then, but yeah things worked out.

[Mehdi2277]

Firstly dealing with the last flip I'm assuming a roleblocker does exist considering AV's report when I doubt no one shot me (who else could they shoot that wouldn't die and wasn't known to be protected? Phil is the only one and I doubt he was targeted by a night kill). That and I don't see bumi sacrificing himself to get rid of one other player.

[Mehdi2277]

Not sure if I want zdenek to say if he used his power or not. I do want to know who vifam targeted since we're still missing a kill and I doubt it's because scum shot me or philla.

[Mehdi2277]

And VOTE: Sanjay mainly sheeping past argument and him fitting black well. Dgb's only mentioned on the bp thing from day 4 I think and fate's mentioned near 0. Dgb votes him and he's the only player she unvotes without directly voting elsewhere. One of the few people she's defended that's really been pushed.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm assuming either the guy vifam protected is confirmed to have been targeted with a kill or zdenek saved someone.

Titan kill also fits black if sanjay's the last scum.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm liking these crosskills.

You know who probably isn't?

VOTE: Nachomamma8

He was confirmed town by bumi investigating him.

[Mehdi2277]

And ald scum role blocking AV was the only way they could safely try killing me and yeah I'm still pretty sure I got shot that night by likely both teams.

[Mehdi2277]

Quil while that's always a possibility it's also doubtful. Nacho does work fairly decently with black scum but it's not a role I'm expecting.

And ald I think the role blocker belongs to green and they have two ways to RB since why wasn't I stopped from killing dgb if they have an RB (or black has a limited RB).

[Mehdi2277]

I'm assuming 4 since I don't think we have different numbers for scum teams and green's already flipped enough power I don't think expect to see 5 of them.

[Mehdi2277]

And ald what is your current opinion of bumi?

[Mehdi2277]

Yup. Black = Midnight crew while green = felt

And ald do you have any ideas of what role powers felt might have based off flavor?

[Mehdi2277]

With a flipped redirector, global RB that could get the ring and cause scum to have the double protect + untargetable (since it's a ring property not a zdenek property), and strongman that assuming it's like normal could kill a BP? Yeah I can see ways for scum to deal with all that town protective power.

P-edit: If it's black then I expect to not have been able to kill dgb or it's a limited RB which seems too weak to finish the black team.

[Mehdi2277]

Kinda torn right now about Bumi. It really looks like both Robo and Bumi have had a cop result on Nacho, but I don't know if I buy something like double RB or whatever on green scum. And why target Bumi at all, since he hadn't claimed yet?

Except my theory is AV was Rb and his message was the same as not seeing a target (because why would scum shoot av when it was known in thread vifam was protecting him and why shoot philla that leaves the only person who could live after being shot me without shots somehow). Why would scum shoot av when vifam said in thread he'd protect him so the both scum teams shooting philla makes little sense.

Unless something new is brought up on the claim mess then what I said yesterday is my defense for all that.

[Mehdi2277]

Sanjay + X if they actually have 5 scum.

If you want VC stuff here for the lynching wagons (I don't want to color code all of them right now) with names swapped with current replacement as needed.

Spoiler: VC

Tazaro

(16): Quil,

AurorusVox

,

Pandorica

, Phillammon, DelraWave,

Noir

,

Porfervor

, BT, Sunshine and Rainbows,

xtopherusD

,

Cheery Dog

, DeasVail, Bumi, BroodKingEXE,

Titan

, Vifam

Cheery Dog

(3): Nachomamma8, buldermar, Tazaro
DeasVail(2): Zdenek, Magua
Sanjay(1):

Epic

buldermar (2): ActionDan,

malpascp

AurorusVox

(1):

DGB

ActionDan (1): Maenara

Not Voting (4): Mehdi, Alduskkel,

Fate

, Sanjay

malpascp

(14): BroodKingEXE,

DrippingGoofball

,

Porfervor

,

Titan

,

Cheery Dog

,

xtopherusD

, BT, Quil, Phillammon, Maenara, Magua, Vifam, Alduskkel, Sunshine and Rainbows

Cheery Dog

(5): buldermar,

AurorusVox

, Nachomamma8, Bumi,

Fate

AurorusVox

(3): mehdi2277, Sanjay, ActionDan
Zdenek (2): DeasVail, Zdenek
Sunshine and Rainbows (1): Deltawave

Not Voting (1):

malpascp

Fate

(12): DeltaWave, Vifam, Zdenek, Sunshine and Rainbows, Bumi, ActionDan, mehdi2277, DeasVail, BT, Phillammon, Maenara, BroodKingEXE
BroodKingEXE (3):

Fate

,

AurorusVox

,

DrippingGoofball

Sanjay (2):

Titan

, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (1): Sanjay
Zdenek (1): Magua
Vifam (1): buldermar

DrippingGoofball

(1): Alduskkel

Not Voting (1): Quilford

AurorusVox

(11): Bumi, buldermar, Vifam, BT, mehdi2277, Alduskkel,

Titan

, Sunshine and Rainbows, Zdenek, ActionDan, Sanjay
mehdi2277 (3):

DrippingGoofball

, Maenara, BroodKingEXE

DrippingGoofball

(1): Quilford
Bumi (1):

AurorusVox

Not Voting (5): DeltaWave, DeasVail, Phillammon, Nachomamma8, Magua

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[color=#00BF00] [/color] = Felt
[color=#FF0000] [/color] = Midnight Crew
[color=#0000BF] [/color] = Town

[Mehdi2277]

Sanjay if he doesn't die today. If he's lynched then I honestly haven't decided. I'm not a fan of shooting ald and philla wouldn't help since I've already shot him so at least the bp part of the claim is true (I think the way he treated the claim makes him likely town too).

[Mehdi2277]

I'm not going to shoot someone who's been cleared by a cop power and what makes you suspect buld outside of day 1?

[Mehdi2277]

You. I thought the nacho + buld thing was you saying who you wanted me to shoot.

[Mehdi2277]

Vifam who do you want me to shoot?

[Mehdi2277]

Fate calls DV town, noir calls him scum without ever voting him, and dgb never mentions him.

DV somehow partly believes DGB's mason claim and that's the only time he ever mentions her. He thought noir was town although I can't find why and fate was a town read partly for being too manipulative so not really a strong reason to defend him when suspicion on fate was being pushed although later votes fate saying he doesn't town read him without really anything in between for how fate went from town -> scum.

That covers black team association and I'm fine shooting DV too if sanjay dies.

[Mehdi2277]

Bumi what makes you suspect delta?

[Mehdi2277]

So this looks legitmate:

Well Fate is most likely being too obviously manipulative to be scum, and he seems pretty sure that you should be lynched. I haven't voted for you yet though.

I agree it wouldn't be that bad, but I don't think it's very relevant as I'm not in any danger (as far as I know) of getting lynched, and neither are any of my townreads, except maybe Fate, but he's not a very strong one and I'd probably be willing to listen to reasoning for him being scum.

My reason for voting Fate-scum is probably not as strongly based upon the Sanjay thing as with others. It's mostly the fact that I don't really townread him, which is odd.

And fate not being in the read list in between without much of reason given from him for the read change.

[Mehdi2277]

I think he would have said somewhere in between people convinced him fate isn't town or something especially with how he asked people why fate was scum or something similar.

The main problem is I'm still against the idea of there being 5 black scum and I'm leaning sanjay fits more then him for the last black. His interactions with fate alone work with him being green too although noir + dgb interacting with him doesn't seem as much like green scum.

P-edit: While I'm still less confident on dv if you lynch him I'd shoot sanjay and if sanjay's lynched I'll likely shoot dv.

S/R how does sanjay not work as black? Day 3 he mostly ignored fate.

[Mehdi2277]

I think him being doc makes him town.

[Mehdi2277]

How does phil's day 4 play work into that (and lack of desire to vote sanjay being scum motivated by...)?

[Mehdi2277]

Lastly why black instead green for phil (although this is more of how does he fit more then dv/sanjay for black)?

Phil unlike the other two I can't vig (he could have lied about full bp but I don't to use another shot just to check right now) so if he dies it'll have to be by lynch.

[Mehdi2277]

Vifam who did you save last night?

Day 1:
I don't know much

Day 2:
Av claims odd watcher when he was full watcher, malp gets lynched, fate tries to fos vifam, I claim vig

Day 3:
Fate gets lynched after a lot of arguing and me being close to vigging vifam when vifam claims doc.

Day 4:
Mass claim, role mess, and av gets lynched because he said he watched me and no one targeted me when bumi claimed to have targeted me. Current spec is av was RB.

Day 5:
You've read it.

[Mehdi2277]

Actually I believe av claimed odd night watcher day 3.

[Mehdi2277]

VOTE: Phil

Do you want zdenek to claim then since if you didn't save someone his action is the only thing that could have saved someone.

P-edit: Vig sanjay works for me fine.