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[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Vote: Monkey

You didn't feel like you could vote before Arc had two bad posts in a row? Sounds suspicious

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Is that absolutely neccessary though? Considering it is page 2 on Day 1. You could have easily placed the vote on the first one and removed it if the next post was fine.
Seems like you were trying to justify a vote before joing the wagon

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

^this

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Unvote;
Vote: G_N_R

I've grown tired of Arc v. Monkey; it's actually giving me a headache to read their posts at this point. I don't like G_N_R's comments during it though, so I want to push this instead.

Vote: Monkey

You didn't feel like you could vote before Arc had two bad posts in a row? Sounds suspicious

"Sounds suspicious," *sounds* fake to me, and this looks like just a posting attempt to join a wagon with some kind of contribution.

His last post which was simply:

^this

...was in response to my criticism of Arc. Just getting the vibe here that he could attack either player between Arc and Monkey, but the Monkey wagon presented itself first so that's where he went.

When I was first reading the game, Monkey stood out to me as the most scummy so far, so I voted him because i thought he was scum.
The next post with "^ this" was because I thought you had made a valid point. But by now, Arc is town and Monkey is still scum

I agree that the GNR vote looks opportunistic.

Then why didn't you mention it before?

@GNR; Are you planning to lurk yourself to death as usual?

No, I don't

Omg I just realized GNR is in this game.

Hey GNR, it's me, Chrimi :3

Hi

Congrats on the fastest RVS in the game, I think this game should be awarded.

I think I've seen faster

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Okay, it looks like Monkye is town, unless we get a counter claim

The slip-up from watcher and tracker seems reasonable. I can see how some people switch them around sometimes

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

whoops
forgot

UNVOTE

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Why are we not going through with the Monkeyman wagon?

He's an unclaimed power role

Because we found a good lynch candidate.

It doesn't matter how much time we have, but how much we need. Can anyone make the case that we need more time?

Why do you think he's scum? Sure, his playstyle before the claim was scummy, but he deserves a chance to prove himself

@Phoenicks - Apparently you don't see the people unvoting and voting for other people that DON'T think I am a good lynch candidate.

And, if I'm not a total noob, and I was scum and therefore would believe Monkey's claim, would I go leading a lynch on him?

Simple, two scenarios

You scum, Monkey Scum

You know monkey to be lying about his claim, therefore, if you push for his lynch, you could be seen as town and live to win the game

You scum, Monkey Town

Simple, you want to lynch the PR

Either way, it would be benefical to you as scum to lynch Monkey

Vote: Phoenick

In any case, from what I have read of the case on GNR, He seems like a very good d1 lynch and the most scummy so far. (though anyone who was on the Monkey man speed wagon is a decent lynch to me.)

I must have missed it. What case has been made against me other than me being on the Monkey wagon? By that logic, at least 6 other people could be scum

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I realize that, but I felt that I should say something since not a whole lot else has happened since I last posted

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Simple, two scenarios

You scum, Monkey Scum

You know monkey to be lying about his claim, therefore, if you push for his lynch, you could be seen as town and live to win the game

You scum, Monkey Town

Simple, you want to lynch the PR

Either way, it would be benefical to you as scum to lynch Monkey

Vote: Phoenick

Simple, the other two scenarios you omitted without justification:

Phoenicks Town, Monkey Town

Phoenicks Town, Monkey Scum

While lynching Phoenicks would be the pragmatic and obvious choice between the two scenarios you presented, you neglected to mention there are other equally probable scenarios - unless you know something I don't.

I didn't neglect them. I was responding Phoenicks' post

And, if I'm not a total noob, and

I was scum and therefore would believe Monkey's claim, would I go leading a lynch on him?

He said if he were scum, so I did the scenario's which pertained to Phoenicks as scum. If I wanted to do more scenarios, I could have done him as town, or third party (if there is one).
in short, I wasn't trying to list all possible scenarios.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@GNR

- Did you see 173 about why you are scum?

Wrong link?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I don't give a dactylion about what your imagination tells you about the game: like your post, it's unrelated to anything I've said. Your analysis concludes that, no matter how Monkey flips, I'm scum. And that, because I could benefit either way, I'm scum.

You have just suggested that trying to lynch a player is inherently scummy

because scum benefit if the target is town, and get town-credit if it's not.

That's not something I can respond to except:

Vote: Guy_Named_Riggs

I believe your misunderstanding me there. Monkey is a uncounter claimed power role. If he was CC'd, that wouldn't be indicative of your aligment. It was the fact that you were pushing a lynch on a Tracker before he had to chance to prove himself that most likely makes you scum. I'm not saying wanting to lynch someone is scummy, rather the way you were going about it was.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

prod recieved
Will get to this later

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Viomi and GNR are too quick to call Monkey 'confirmed town' due to claim. Sure flavour and claim make sense and as stated above I dont think he's todays lynch but jumping to conftown is premature imo (although I do think Viomi's Phoenicks vote is well placed)

I did not say he was confirmed town. He hasn't been counterclaimed so I see no reason to lynch him today.

I also think the GNR/Phoenicks interactions look like distancing

How so?

What is it about GNR that you find 'unclean'? Why him specifically out of 7 or so who've ridden that Wagon?

Well, his position as 7th vote on the Monkey wagon when the Arc wagon was just taking off means he wasn't interested in seeing how a counterwagon develops.

Vote: Monkey

You didn't feel like you could vote before Arc had

two bad posts in a row

? Sounds suspicious

Instead, he torqued up the votes on Monkey, while saying Monkey's reason for voting Arc was bad, while validating his reason for voting Arc (see bolded).

Ironically, GNR(7th on Monkey) accuses Monkey(4th on Arc) of this next post.

Seems like you were trying to justify a vote before joing the wagon

Since I don't like the Monkey wagon speed, and reserve Arc judgement for now, GNR is a good vote.

So, your case on me boiled down to I was 7th on Monkey's wagon, and I called him out for being 4ths on Arcs.
If this was later in the game, I would agree I would be somewhat of a hypocrit there, however
That was my first post of the game. I agreed that monkey looked scum, so I voted. Both Monkey and Arc had already been posting a bit since the game just started. It was page 2, and people starting voting for Arc. Then Monkey posted this.

I can't believe youre saying that you have issues with me.. Like what??

Apparently I'm not the only one. You're clearly not being logical, and lack of logic is not going to help find scum.

Feel like I have enough of a case to vote now, with two bad posts in a row.

Unvote:
Vote: ArcAngel9

This post seemed to fake to me (still does now that I'm looking at it again)
To me, I got the message of "Oh, other people are voting Arc now, I guess I can think of a reason to vote Arc as well"
It didn't seem right

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The whole debate between Chkflip and Mew seems odd. I feel like chk is using a really stupid reason to justify his vote.
Mew is probably town. His reaction towards chk's attack looks town. Also, I don't like monkey's hop on the wagon

As I already said in #194 the first time I was asked that question, I have no idea why Alex Rider would be a double-voter - I haven't read the series. No justification was given in my role pm.

I had justification of my role in MY role pm, I don't know about everyone else.

Unvote:
Vote: Master Mew

Something seems off about it.

@Monkey

You say you had justification in your role PM for your role, why didn't you use it when role claiming?

Vote:Chkflip

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Phoenicks. Why did you vote Guy named riggs? What are your reasons?
And Guy Named Riggs , Same question for your too.. whyd id you vote Phoonicks? What are your reasons?

I stated why here - Post 206

Meh. Mehhhh.


It's my town meta, you can ask GNR.

umm...I don't remember any recent games with you
So, yeah, don't ask me meta questions

Phoenick's recent unvote/vote is...I just don't....
The vote on Viomi seemed unjustified at first, but he later gave clarification for it. Don't really understand why he had to say the stuff about unvoting me. Overall, more of a null tell for me than anything

Still liking a chk lynch

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Same with my role. My quote has to deal with my character, not my role

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Still liking a sword of omens lynch, but unfortunately it looks like no one's biting and soo is going on vla so it looks like it's not happening.

Phoenicks and GNR both seem like decent lynches though. I probably prefer GNR slightly. His switch from Monkey to chk doesn't make sense. He goes on for several posts about how scummy is and then all of a sudden switches to chk because "Mew is probably town" and chk's attacks "seems off." He even points out that Monkey joining the Mew wagon bothering him. The switch makes no sense to me.

Unvote. Vote: Guy_Named_Riggs.

I believe that I have already said that, while I think monkey looks scummy, him being an un CCd power role means I'm not lynching him today (D1). If this keeps up though, I'll be glad to have him lynched

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@Arc: How do you know if he is lying? Are you claiming cop?

Nope, I am not Cop.

I am a VT.

Simple , If he counter claims, One of you is a lair that means one of you is Scum, so we lynch one of you based on how each of you handled claims. If we mislynch one, the other one dies tomorrow.

Umm....Did anyone else see this? I thought this was an all PR game.

Vote:Arc

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Actually, I missed that dry had commented on it. I was reading the thread, saw the post and made mine before I realized there was another page

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I'll compromise
Today, Nero

Vote:Nero

Tomorrow, Monkey

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

GNR alt-slipped and had Nexus delete the post. I assume it's GNR because he's the only one who voted me, used the term "confirmation bias" in the post, and tried to say Nero was coaching me.

I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch Monkey, I'm saying we shouldn't speed-lynch him and lose a fucking day.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The only alt I have used was Christopher Manlowe for Author Mafia and a hyrda account.

Vote:MonkeyMan

@Monkey, you're now at L-1
How about you tell us who you really are. We know you're scum, so stop trying to pretend that you aren't

@PV, I'm sure monkey is the one lying

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

EBWOP: That should @Arc, not PV

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I doubt you were roleblocked, more like you did the roleblocking on someone

You're lucky to have made it this far alive I think

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

If he flips scum, we figure out who to lynch the next day. We don't need to know the enitre scum team on Day 2

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I think I've made a pretty strong case. All my wagon is going by is Viomi's word.

You mean this case?

I'm not lying. Viomi is lying. I got no result so I was probably roleblocked, and probably by ScumViomi.

Vote: Viomi

You're right, that's a very string case indeed.

I don't know about the rest of the wagon, but I'm not going off of Viomi's word. I've thought you were scum for some time now, and your more recent posts confirm it. It's very convient that you were roleblocked.
Also, funny how you have 3 of the people who have been pressing for your lynch the most turn up as your scum reads. Do you actually have reasoning behind your reads, or were you just listing them

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Still here

Reading shortly

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Just realized that it's six to lynch. I thought it was more.

I'll claim now I guess

I am Katniss Everdeen - Town 1-Shot Vig

That's why I was certain Monkey was scum. Before I had unvoted after he claimed, I was debating claiming then and there to get him lynched. I decided agaisnt it, figuring I could just shoot him at night. That being said, I'm sorry I killed Empking. Empking must have targetted Monkey so he got the arrows to the chest.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I'm Katniss Everdeen, Town Watcher.

Monkey claims here

Okay, it looks like Monkye is town, unless we get a counter claim

The slip-up from watcher and tracker seems reasonable. I can see how some people switch them around sometimes

I unvote trying to make it look like I believe his claim and therefore making him feel safe in his safeclaim

Why are we not going through with the Monkeyman wagon?

He's an unclaimed power role

Because we found a good lynch candidate.

It doesn't matter how much time we have, but how much we need. Can anyone make the case that we need more time?

Why do you think he's scum? Sure, his playstyle before the claim was scummy, but he deserves a chance to prove himself

@Phoenicks - Apparently you don't see the people unvoting and voting for other people that DON'T think I am a good lynch candidate.

And, if I'm not a total noob, and I was scum and therefore would believe Monkey's claim, would I go leading a lynch on him?

Simple, two scenarios

You scum, Monkey Scum

You know monkey to be lying about his claim, therefore, if you push for his lynch, you could be seen as town and live to win the game

You scum, Monkey Town

Simple, you want to lynch the PR

Either way, it would be benefical to you as scum to lynch Monkey

Vote: Phoenick

In any case, from what I have read of the case on GNR, He seems like a very good d1 lynch and the most scummy so far. (though anyone who was on the Monkey man speed wagon is a decent lynch to me.)

I must have missed it. What case has been made against me other than me being on the Monkey wagon? By that logic, at least 6 other people could be scum

I started going after phoenicks here due to his persistance with the Monkey Wagon. I was still trying to keep my role on the down low

Still liking a sword of omens lynch, but unfortunately it looks like no one's biting and soo is going on vla so it looks like it's not happening.

Phoenicks and GNR both seem like decent lynches though. I probably prefer GNR slightly. His switch from Monkey to chk doesn't make sense. He goes on for several posts about how scummy is and then all of a sudden switches to chk because "Mew is probably town" and chk's attacks "seems off." He even points out that Monkey joining the Mew wagon bothering him. The switch makes no sense to me.

Unvote. Vote: Guy_Named_Riggs.

I believe that I have already said that, while I think monkey looks scummy, him being an un CCd power role means I'm not lynching him today (D1). If this keeps up though, I'll be glad to have him lynched

Stating I would prefer Monkey dead

I'll compromise
Today, Nero

Vote:Nero

Tomorrow, Monkey

Hammer vote, and an intent to kill Monkey (if he somehow lived through the night, I would claim Katniss and go 1v1 with him for a lynch)

GNR alt-slipped and had Nexus delete the post. I assume it's GNR because he's the only one who voted me, used the term "confirmation bias" in the post, and tried to say Nero was coaching me.

I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch Monkey, I'm saying we shouldn't speed-lynch him and lose a fucking day.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The only alt I have used was Christopher Manlowe for Author Mafia and a hyrda account.

Vote:MonkeyMan

@Monkey, you're now at L-1
How about you tell us who you really are. We know you're scum, so stop trying to pretend that you aren't

@PV, I'm sure monkey is the one lying

Viomi got the cop resut on Monkey, so I decided to keep my role quiet, but I wasn't going to let him live through the day. If needed, I was going to claim

I doubt you were roleblocked, more like you did the roleblocking on someone

You're lucky to have made it this far alive I think

More hinting at my role. I knew Monkey wasn't tracker. At least not a Katniss tracker, which indicated he wasn't tracker.

My choice of not claiming was so then I knew I could take scum down during the night. I am never confident with my reads, so I was hoping we could get rid of scum Day 1 with a lynch, I get rid of another scum Night 1 and we enter Day 2 with 2 scum down. Unfortuantely, Empking protected Monkey so he got killed instead.

As for "wasting" my shot, I don't think I was going to be wasting it. As a vig, I would want to get rid of my shot as early as possible in case I am either lynched or night killed before getting my shot off. It wouldn't have been a waste, but we got him Day 2 instead.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

1.Yes, I didn't feel the need to do so

2. There is the possibilty that there are some role redirectors. I had targetted Monkey, so my action was either redirected or Empking had a change of heart once the scum flip

3. Who said the mod gave fakeclaims? They might be avaiable on request. Maybe Monkey asked for Katniss role

4. If you say so

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

The RB comment came from the fact that Viomi claimed Monkey was a magical roleblocker so monkey was saying he was probably roleblocked by viomi because he [monkey] didn't get a result

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Monkey claimed on Page 6 (or 7 I forget which)
I could have counterclaimed then and there. However, I wasn't in the mood to die Night 1 or get lynched that day. I knew either Monkey or me would have been the lynch for the day had I claimed. I've already said I usaully don't trust my reads, so I wanting to use my shot on someone I

knew

would flip scum. I can't explain what happened during the night to make Empking die during the night instead of monkey except Empking targetting monkey.
I don't really know what else I can say on the subject at the moment.

PEdit: Still didn't want my claim known. Rather make it look like I was just pretty sure he was scum than absolute certain he was scum and risk the night kill

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Look, I had known that when I was going to claim, it wasn't going to be very convincing. But let me ask you this.

Why the hell would I claim Katniss after someone claimed that role AND FLIPPED SCUM!? If I was scum, I wouldn't do something nearly that stupid. I didn't counter monkey right away because I was going to shoot him at night. When I saw he wasn't killed at night, I intended to counter claim then. But Viomi had pretty much already cemented a Monkey lynch with his claim, so there was no need to claim. I only claimed now because I was at L-1.

That being said, to those of you on my wagon, do you want to lynch me because I'm scum or because my claim is terrible?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Why is this game so dead....

VOTE: GNR

Somebody hammer, tomorrow we kill Mew. They're scumbuddies, obv.

How are we scum buddies? How am I scum?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

FTR, Glitter from the Hunger Games also uses Bow and Arrow, and she is villainously portrayed in both the book and movie. Nero claimed Rick Grimes from the Hunger Games, but was actually Shane Walsh from the Hunger Games.

If you're going to try and argue my lynch with evidence from the book, I'll defend it with such.

Yes, Glitter uses a bow as well as Katniss (Katniss gets her bow from Glitter's dead body).
however, it was stated in the books that Glitter was a terrible shot, while Katniss had deadly accuracy

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

GNR, answer my question regarding lynching Monkey Day 1 and shooting Nero Night 1 please.

I was more sure of monkey being scum than nero. I didn't want to use my shot on someone I think is town. I'd rather spend that shot on someone I knew was scum, or at the very least, someone I was 95% sure was scum

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

prod recieved
Will get to this later

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

And how many have had none additional 1 shot kills?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Good game scum
Probably better that I didn't use my other shot, I would have hit town

By the way, Thanks Nexus for my role!