The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Shaft]

VOTE NOS

Hearye, hearye, whichever honkey hears me! YES I'm here to talk my shit and NO I don't think it's a good idea to say who I protected last night - right now.

Two options. Work with a brotha. 1) I keep telling you who I target for as long as I'm alive? 2) I tell you why I'm such an expensive doctor; why it's possible there's a vig instead of SK?

One Author Mafia was enough

I got that old wrinkly fuck Phelps pretty good didn't I...but you're not scum are you? Shouldn't be any worries when John Shaft is on the case.

pedit: wait NO, I'm not a cop.

[Shaft]

Oh hey no duh, I did a google search and expensive doctor shows up with no problem. So we're going with option #TWO.

I can only target each player once. But hey that may also mean a small mafia too (3+traitor)
SORRY CERULEAN

[Shaft]

Oh hey no duh, I did a google search and expensive doctor shows up with no problem.

Explain?

also, why'd you claim your N1 target if you knew you couldn't target them again later?

Googled "mafiascum expensive doctor".

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4721543
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4730076

Can't say I've always loved Cerulean enough to care about that. Tammy's not putting out.

[Shaft]

No, camn needs to get off her boney ass and find another suspect.

[Shaft]

So yeah, basically take the SAD wagon:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, Zdenek, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird, sottyrulez

I take out the dead:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, Zdenek, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird

And conf town:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird

And myself:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, ChannelDeliBird

Then look at who is left and I've got town reads on Jason, Plessie, Deasvail and CDB.

Combine that with TML interactions / the unease I get when a townie gets 0 heat all game / the legit solid cases on TML today and PoE says it's time to scrap Wall-E.

mmmm

better than the shit I come up with

unvote

I won't L-1 lib either. Once he sorts his shit out, we'll see if it's an easy hammer.

Gut tells me jason is town. Ben always makes bold plays, but I particularly liked his stance D4. Only thing I would find sus' about him are the absta interactions. Otherwise, he's not someone I'm urging to hang.

[Shaft]

Looking at his recent posts (last one was Monday), I'd say it's a site-wide flake.

[Shaft]

I like DVs commentary on BT more than I like the Librarian/equinox wagon.

Oh and Kise- gtfo. Only Shaft now.

I will cut you too short to shit, keep fucking with me.

[Shaft]

This is bullshit. Mod prob made all the investigators aligned with the police. I really think DV might be scum

And @Ples I was saying TML faked the flake. I think uf we offered the mod enough monies he could forget Equi came and we could just lynch TML like it was 2 days ago.

[Shaft]

unvote

- reading

[Shaft]

General question: How town were Shadoweh and sottyrulez? Like, were they generally considered town by most everyone in the game?

I only remember seeing myself as Shadoweh's final antagonist. Some sotty suspicion came about at the end of the previous phase. They weren't mentioned much, though.

And I guess you guys in the QT have probably already considered this, but flavour also suggest that the Police might have the ability to eavesdrop on your neighborhood conversations. In the show, Avon and Stringer work out of a backroom in Orlando's, and the Major Crimes Unit are able to arrest Avon at the end of Season 1 after secretly installing a camera in this room. And it's a show based around (and named after) a wire tap, so ... seems fairly plausible to me.

Could also explain why TML wanted to know the name of ActionDan's neighborhood in 909 (if the Police know they can read a QT called 'Orlando's' but don't know anything else about this QT, for instance).

Does Wendell help them set that up?

@kise - As noted, I am not expanding townreads at this time. I will expand on BT during pass 2.

When are you getting around to this pass 2? Count me confused.

[Shaft]

I think he means TGAH

[Shaft]

If scum needed the name of the QT to eavesdrop on it, then its significant that TML asked Dan that.

You could also neighbor scum and they get in the easy way. We should give Faraday ideas for the next game.

Zdenek's probably alive because he's lazy as shit

I'm alive because neighborisor is functionally useless. Doubly so if they can read the QT. Or if I neighborize one of them.

Kise is Alive because the town was so divided on his Lynch that maybe they figured they could rope him later. Or he'd protect one of them from the SKvig.


There's gotta be a reason sotty died.

The people I've suspected have been the target of the police. Hopefully they get camn next.

About sotty's death: I took it the police have been fucking with me but maybe they thought sotty was a PR. I

did

accuse them of being the 2nd nightkiller. I picked up a 3rd party swag from them. Figured I'd bring Remy Lebeau back.

Do you think town, scum or a mix of both are more likely to butter up to those of us who have claimed PRs? Same question for Zd.

So I've tried to look at who TML's/Equinox's buddy could be if he is scum.

I don't think that Plessiezarus, Nost or BT are bussing.

I don't think that DeasVail would have the nerve to openly say that he doesn't want to derail his buddies wagon.

I don't think that TML was bussing Petapan (he'd have been bussing both Absta and Petapan on day one).
I don't think that TML was bussing CDB on Day 2 after losing a buddy and a traitor.
I doubt TML was bussing Kise today.

Leaving us with:
Benmage
Cerulean
camn
Jason

I don't think that Cerulean is scum.
Camn and Jason are unlikely to be scum because of Absta interactions.

So that leaves Benmage who a lot of people seem fairly confident is town.

Could easily be the people you don't think are bussing TML too.

[Shaft]

And if I had a gun I would be lurkervigging Jason tonight.
Just like that.

Why does no one want to lynch him?

vote nost again

Arguing over math. And the recent attachment to BT, "what if he flips town then what".

I can't figure out whether I still think BT is scum or if it's just I'd rather Nos>BT today.

[Shaft]

and plus, with the addition of a hydra to the neighborhood, i have more people to talk to than deas, who only seemed to pop his head in like every few days

Something up with that man.

[Shaft]

kuribo, do you think town, scum or a mix of both are more likely to butter up to those of us who have claimed PRs?

[Shaft]

And if I had a gun I would be lurkervigging Jason tonight.
Just like that.

Why does no one want to lynch him?

?

Because at this rate it's looking like he's being saved as a lylo mislynch. If you want to get it done, push for it now.

[Shaft]

Now? Really?

I wasn't singling you out, but it feels like he's not getting any attention. I'm just wondering what's the deal with a lack of discussion on jason.

I'll buckle down this afternoon and read and promise not to screw off, but, for the folks on the Nostredeus wagon, you should switch out, and don't let me be the deciding hammer because we all know how that's going to end.

I wasn't following you.

[Shaft]

Yup yup. But hey, since you left us at 2..



Sup Ben?

[Shaft]

Intended for Cerulean and anyone keeping up with these arguments.

k yeah, Gonna be honest, I don't see the big back and forth thing proving anything about alignment. It looks like a disagreement, nothing more, but if one of you guys catch an inconsistent slip, you could bold it.

Zdenek, Kise, where do you stand at the moment?

Specifically, in regards to what?

[Shaft]

Yeah I skimmed 2576 but if I feel the need to skim instead of giving all of my attention, something's up with that.

The way Nos is hardcore tying himself to you makes me think you were gonna flip town (he wasn't in danger of a lynch at the time, just suspected). I'd go Eq right now. I didn't want to be a dick but he chose to stay and not let TML take the rope. Or I coulda been drunk and just hoped Faraday would let something like that happen even after Eq got the role PM.

Also, before I could point it out, CDB gave Eq the "slap yourself" post with 2572.

Ok.

unvote, vote: equinox

[Shaft]

Now isn't this some nickolodeon shit right here? We really don't have time for eq to go into analysis on how sotty =/= vigged = renig mode all of a sudden.The easy guess is to invert the reasons (lol) for not voting nost and bt, if that makes sense when it won't. No pressure but I trust you to make a good choice here Ben....pedit im thinking we got our omar/sk. There has to be more than friendly, neighborizer and doc that a mafia tracker would need to track. Killproof is a somewhat needed passive for town but ehhh, I'm wondering what other antitown powers there are.

[Shaft]

k.

[Shaft]

targets?

[Shaft]

And hey, I thought I'd just add 1-Shot Bodyguard as a test to see how ridiculous a claim I could make people believe?

Just to be sure, is this the first time you've said you made up being bodyguard?

@Ples, I dunno, Eq's killproof made me stick to voting her. I think we should chill on outguessing this time.

[Shaft]

Dang it

Sorry for triple post. @DV, does your role PM mention quicktopics?

[Shaft]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/rWhcCMPjWAY9B

Last Faraday game I was scum in. Our fakeclaims weren't in the role PMs, but in the 2nd post of our scum QT.

[Shaft]

Mm, we only got nilla fakes.

Yeah that sounds right. I can't think of the last Faraday game before this one, as I just started playing mafia again not long ago.

[Shaft]

Also can we get the names of your abilities?

[Shaft]

defence attorney.

I think all other PRs are town except DV's. I had to remember that absta was

even-night

tracker only. And looking at the dead town powers especially, an encryptor is obviously more helpful to scum than town. If the scum killed DV, that punishes them in a sense, which may be possible but it's not a belief I'm even mild about.

I'm good with lynching a nilla/goon.

the bodyguard part is Don't die, Wallace.

lol
but you would die, wouldn't you?

[Shaft]

If Eq was 1-shot killproof, why didn't he lived? Nost wasn't the hammer vote.

[Shaft]

You are right, I guess. What I was thinking of was deathproof.

[Shaft]

And here I thought Ben and camn were going at each other not long ago.

So camn about your switch in reads the other phase...you didn't claim cop like I expected.

[Shaft]

BT

- his reactions to the late push on him yesterday were good.. but I think there is enough uncertainty about this slot that it should NOT be allowed to endgame... but likely will.

town?

Im torn.

kuribo

-

TOWN

. Bad for the town-town... but town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4729368
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4735175
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4735368

After reviewing these posts from your iso, I'm confused. Can you explain more what BT did during the lategame push, and what finally shows kuribo to be town?

@kise - As noted, I am not expanding townreads at this time. I will expand on BT during pass 2.

[Shaft]

vote camn

To show I mean business

[Shaft]

I'll have to examine that when I wake up tonight/tomorrow

[Shaft]

I think some of those points were already brought up or I myself looked them over. If someone can confirm they were brought up before (re: subtle bussing of absta), I'd like to know why it took so long for you camn to push this.

Weird saying this but yeah, that all looks good

[Shaft]

Derp on my part for not researching
Sorry for triple post

Ben always makes bold plays, but I particularly liked his stance D4. Only thing I would find sus' about him are the absta interactions. Otherwise, he's not someone I'm urging to hang.

[Shaft]

Derp on my part for not researching
Sorry for triple post

Ben always makes bold plays, but I particularly liked his stance D4. Only thing I would find sus' about him are the absta interactions. Otherwise, he's not someone I'm urging to hang.

What day 4 stance? Today's day 4.

Episode 4? *shrug*
Lost count.

@camn, I get that, but I'm just wondering why today you're using the absta interactions as a case (with passion) when it was always there in our faces.

CDB hasn't been a problem for me. As a refresher, why did you all (if you once suspected him) find him town after pushing him days ago?

[Shaft]

alrightalrightalright I'll fuck off.

UNVOTE

Ples...um...I guess it was D2 or 3 then. What day is this?

I'm pretty sure you said the case on CDB looked "reasonable" on day 2 though

Can't say I remember it but if it's in my iso then yeah, lol. Maybe I said reasonable as in it didn't look like crap being pushed by the scum. If I didn't vote CDB or his pursuers, then that's prob what I meant by reasonable..and I'm pretty sure I at least didn't vote CDB

BUT HEY I've been wrong about a shitload of people so let's roll the dice amirite.

[Shaft]

What stance of Benmage's did you like, specifically? What was it about, if you can't remember when it happened?

(And answer my other question too -- why did you decide to switch to the "Shaft" alt?)

~ Pless

When Ben was still voting me despite me claiming doc. I got the day wrong but I know that's what I liked about him. At first he didn't care to vote me, then was like nah fuck that, Kise is playing like shit, inexcusable. His comments are what I like. He didn't puss out.

I'm more comfortable posting on this account.

I'm really sorry, but I won't be able to read over people properly tonight. Don't wait for me if you'd rather go ahead, but Benmage's recent posts feel scummy at first glance, as if he's trying too hard to look town almost?

I need to reconsider CDB though and I agree with you, Cerulean, on both Jason and Shaft/Kise/whatever he calls himself.

This last sentence..what does that have to do with alignments? You found us voteworthy before, TODAY.

[Shaft]

I'm more comfortable posting on this account.

Why? You're still posting as Kise at this site.

Is the shaft alt supposed to help you play better? Cuz I'm not seeing it.

I'm more comfortable posting on this account. You have four eyes and can't read?

[Shaft]

I share Cerulean's confusion. What about

this particular game

makes you "more comfortable" in your Shaft alt? (You're playing other games as Kise). Why did you decide only on day 3 that you were "more comfortable" playing as an alt?

Shaft is ... pretty much a Cop, right? (He's a private investigator, anyway.) If Kise's a traitor, there's some scummy motivation to try to signal to the rest of the scum team, maybe? Don't really think that that's too likely. But my problem is I really struggle to understand the motivation for replacing yourself with a known alt

at all

. Especially when you do it mid-game, and keep playing other games as your old account. I can't help but be suspicious when people do things that seem to make no sense.

I feel empowered when I identify myself with Shaft. Catching up was boring for this game since we have no investigators and everyone is speculating for dozens-to-hundreds of pages. I lost interested in reading posts with nothing solid, so I originally thought I could come in and roleplay to spice things up, but then I remembered the shit SAD caught and kuribo even didn't want me roleplaying. Still, I'll throw out an in-character joke. But anyway I'm a superhero.

That second paragraph..how soon did that thought hit your mind?

PLUS who the fuck is going to counter claim EXPENSIVE doc

MEans I'm not regular doc and means I withheld info for the sake of greater good.

There can't be a steady doc along with my role, and it also hints that I'm balanced towards there being an SK > a vig.

Expand on this please. Thanks.

A limited doctor would help increase the SK's chances of winning. That was my first thought but it wasn't long after I claimed that I decided against this type of thinking, hence why I've never bothered you.

And you know what? I don't care for the theory that DV is a second traitor. I don't want that kind of dangerous thought process to keep possible po-po alive. Taking away daytalk is a heavy blow for scum, and like I said, it'd be weird to setup a game where scum can kill someone and PUNISH them for it. And you can't say we don't have enough time because we've looked at DV plenty.

DV and CDB's feelings for each other make them look like an easy pair so I will vote either with a preference to eliminate the encryptor first.

[Shaft]

And you know what? I don't care for the theory that DV is a second traitor. I don't want that kind of dangerous thought process to keep possible po-po alive. Taking away daytalk is a heavy blow for scum, and like I said, it'd be weird to setup a game where scum can kill someone and PUNISH them for it. And you can't say we don't have enough time because we've looked at DV plenty.

DV and CDB's feelings for each other make them look like an easy pair so I will vote either with a preference to eliminate the encryptor first.

If your preference is to vote DV, why haven't you done so?

If you think DV is a Cop, why do you believe he's telling the truth about his claim? I mean, I agree that a town-aligned day-talk enabler is kind of swingy, but all the arguments against Faraday having used a "daytalk enabler" seem even stronger if DV is actually a Cop .

LOL Thisguy. It's been you all along isn't it?

I'd like to hear the scum motive you're trying to dig out of me BEFORE CDB flips. These questions are fluff at this point...to answer, I wanted to see which was preferred after I posted. The neighbors said DV was eager to claim. History would point to the encryptor being obvscum, but the way DV apparently went about claiming makes him look too ballsy to be scum. GREAT move for him to make if scum. But hey, I'm just as back and forth as some of you...what's currently screwing with me is the possibility that a mafia bodyguard dies protecting a buddy, which then tips off to Cerulean that he almost killed scum if not for DVscum.

TLDR, DV may be town nvm.

But, shadoweh did die night one for some reason. It can't just be because of the absta thing because more than one person went after absta. She did attack ben? Don't know how much I think this is likely though.

Meh. It

might

have just been because of the absta thing? (I mean, shadoweh isn't the only person to have suspected absta, nor the most vocal, but scum can only kill people one at a time ...). Having a hard time seeing an obvious motive for either the shadoweh or sottyrulez NKs. A few ideas, but nothing concrete. Not sure it's worth speculating much until (unless?) we have another scum flip. (A lot of the 'obvious' people not dying early can probably just be explained by the threat of the Doctor?)

Explain tomorrow.

vote CDB

Either way, it was more than a bit tormenting when my scumreads are chosen as the mafia kills.

[Shaft]

And hey, I thought I'd just add 1-Shot Bodyguard as a test to see how ridiculous a claim I could make people believe?

lol i somehow missed this til now

so you were lying about being bodyguard?

@kuribo, because pless is in a good position as both town or scum to skip being killed or lynched. As town, he's just a VT, and I may or may not have used a protect on him already. As scum, he's not among the forerunners to be lynched. Scum were reasonable to juke my N2 protect on Zd and get him N3.

[Shaft]

vote kuribo

[Shaft]

It's not April's fools yet

[Shaft]

bout to go to sleep

unvote

[Shaft]

And keep in mind cerulean claimed to the neighborhood long before massclaim. I knew she was the vig a full game day before the game at large.

Sounds like towncred.

camn did you say you wanted to fool mafia into thinking you were the vig so they'd kill you?

[Shaft]

kuribo pls

to be fair, TDK, i powerfucked all of my scum buddies in C-22 and then lynched everyone that suspected me while throwing wave after wave of bullshit at the town and riding deus ex machima to endgame

And honestly, you wouldn't know scum-me even if you were a mason and I counter-claimed you with my scum buddy.

isn't that sorta what scum you does?

scum me kills off strong players, flips wagons around onto the people that suspect him, pushes wagons to collect L-1 claims, then claims early so I can later change the claim several times and eventually devolve the town into such jibbering madness that they keep me alive despite having a near-universal scum read on me because they're too busy arguing with one another

not that I don't scream at people as town, but a well-trained eye can tell when I'm doing it out of legitimate annoyance or when I'm doing it to distract the town

[Shaft]

ribo pls

[Shaft]

Vote camn

[Shaft]

@Cerulean, camn-Ben?

[Shaft]

@Cerulean, camn-Ben?

X

What are your thoughts on Jason
?

lol

Lurked like shit in Harry potter; was town. No one said shit about him when I asked why he wasn't getting attention. Don't care about him now.

That DV quote is blatantly out of context. Even I can see that and I'm an idiot.

I'm still a bit confused about what DV meant tho. An explanation would be helpful from him.

[Shaft]

Congrats Ben.

unvote

How soon did DV claim in the QT to be daytalk enabler?

[Shaft]

Who are we kidding. We all know it's Benmage. What's with the pussyfooting?

[Shaft]

I don't really care about him, Cerulean already asked me. All good.

Anyway dead thread can rejoice now.

vote Ben

[Shaft]

No secret I'm off the wall this game. I'm taking back that townish read I had of you.

@Sottyrulez

Can you embellish on your Kise vote... reads like a shitty placeholder.

Other than being probably the lowest of the hanging fruit. You really have minimal at best interaction with Baby Spice, so did you have an suspicions of that slot?
--Also Kise's iso is atrocious, as you ask us all to take a look at. What are your primary issues?

I've played like shit for a long time. You questioned sotty about it and didn't vote, so my iso must not have been that big of a deal right?

Deadline approaches ->

Yes, I've been procrastinating, I promise to get something more substantial tonight.

--Between Kise and BT, I can only see myself voting Kise.

unvote vote Kise

Lets wagon him up so we have time for a claim. He's due a prod I imagine soon.. his last post is friday.

You're interested in the claim. This post leaves room for my claim getting you to unvote me. However ->

I hate having claims save a person.

Kise you've done next to nothing this game, and gloated about it... That confident in a doc claim?

NEWS FLASH PEOPLE...

When you are suspicious of someone you vote someone. There can be many reasons for voting someone. But if it is to achieve a lynch. ONLY IN THE RARE-IST of cases should a claim save someone. Otherwise you did a piss poor job of voting/wagoning/trying to lynch someone. So to everyone here, you all fucking suck, GL rush lynching someone, who will claim and gosh what happens if its a PR!!!!???!!!??

Docs are a weak PR to begin with.

Not when there are at least two killers out there.

It's pretty damn obvious scum would like to kill off the doc in day-play rather than night kill them. Especially since Zdenek is nearly-mod-confirmed.

How do you not get that you're doing their dirty work for them?

Because while we're talking about balance.... we have a scum team down 50%? D2.... do you think they have a counter to the SK?

I lynch scum. Kise has done zilch this game. I do not allow PR claims to change my judgement. The Zdenek comment is retarded, so I fail to see the point. I doubt Kise sits on Zdenek, and it won't do anything anyways. SO yes if in 6 nights both Kise and Zdenek are still alive they could totally keep Zdenek alive another night.... woooooooooooo GET THOSE SCUMBASTARDS!!!

For someone who wasn't interested in lynching me until deadline, you sure were adamant about not letting up on the good doctor. Typical of a turkey, looking to renege on a nig when you need to get him out of the way.

I was the one person giving you a pass for stubbornly keeping your vote on me for 20+ posts (I counted). That's why I'm here in lylo with you...except you can't predict who the wild bull will turn his horns on to next.

There's zero chance of me not lynching a kuribo in lylo. I doubt this game ever sees a lylo, nor would I be there.. but that's my point. Kuribo slots has to go.

Oh..what's this?

[Shaft]

oh you were talking to ben

i just woke up

Ben's not going to Balto. I am. The drinks can be on me. Ben will be busy shining his blood diamonds.

Who do you vote for now?

[Shaft]

[Shaft]

oh you were talking to ben

i just woke up

Ben's not going to Balto. I am. The drinks can be on me. Ben will be busy shining his blood diamonds.

Who do you vote for now?

Can't drink in Balto since I'll be commuting.

I'd rather just vote scum.

[Shaft]

How so?

[Shaft]

How so?

for example, If you actually committed to a read rather than vote hopping today, I'd be willing to throw a fucking parade for you.

I just gave you something on Ben and you're not going to comment on that? I'm serious with this. I'm over here making moves. You and half this playerlist are being shy with your votes. We've been talking for centuries, it's time to lay it DOWN.

[Shaft]

No clue what you're talking about. CDB was the clear lynch. This whole game, you guys have been deadline whoring. Shit's war of attrition right now.

Getting jumpy as fuck at me for voting you or asking DV questions is not making any moves either. You've been tearing into my shit instead of trying to help me get anywhere. It's been toxic.

@Ben, see I'm not buying that. WHen you look at it, you specifically say you're voting

because there's time for a claim

. That has nothing to do with "deadline! Gotta lynch now no matter what!" You said I had time to claim as in I had time to be judged FOR my claim. Now with you saying the claim didn't matter, as my play is what condemned me, STINKS.

[Shaft]

And if you want to rub this "quickhammer" in my face, how about if we had lynched Nost instead of Eq being an superficial town fuck "lynch me I'll take one for the team", we'd still have his candy ass alive and Nost flip semi-confirming Avon as town?

How bout them apples muh fucka.

You may be town, but me suspecting you doesn't mean you should have responded the way you did. DIscrediting someone doesn't make you town.

pedit: Anyway. Bust a move. Who are you suspecting at the moment?

[Shaft]

And I still don't see how I quickhammered CDB

[Shaft]

@Ben, see I'm not buying that. WHen you look at it, you specifically say you're voting because there's time for a claim. That has nothing to do with "deadline! Gotta lynch now no matter what!" You said I had time to claim as in I had time to be judged FOR my claim. Now with you saying the claim didn't matter, as my play is what condemned me, STINKS.

Everyone's thoughts on this please.

Let get THIS shit DONE

[Shaft]

Cerulean didn't claim the hammer, just said they'd be around to hammer. Deadline was literally 11 hours away, I wouldn't say it mattered who put the nail in the coffin.

View me as town for a moment. Why do you think scum kill the people I suspect? Would they fuck with me like that, do you think?

Did you look at 3097?

Pless being killed is a troll move. I expected Cer or another PR claim to die. That's why I told them to answer tomorrow.

Pedit: I forgot whether you wanted Nos dead. Me too. Point is I'm taking the fucking wheel now and not budging on any more deadline compromise lynches.

pedit: ok watch this,...

[Shaft]

And if I had a gun I would be lurkervigging Jason tonight.
Just like that.

Why does no one want to lynch him?

?

Because at this rate it's looking like he's being saved as a lylo mislynch. If you want to get it done, push for it now.

yeah so fuck your jason lynch right now. Shoulda got it done earlier.

"Shaft you're terrible"... that's getting old. My activity has been within prod range earlier in the game but I came back and posted clearly what was going on in my mind so you can take your "Shaft is terrible" and shove it straight up your monkey ass(es). Jason's lurking. Ben's lurking. Ceru comes back every so often with a huge post that nobody wants to fucking read. You e-scream any chance you get rather than try to work with people outside of your neighborhood. camn fake hints at being vig and cop and doesn't seem to care how lost she makes herself out to be in this game.

Call me terrible tho.

[Shaft]

VOTE NOS

And if I had a gun I would be lurkervigging Jason tonight.
Just like that.

Why does no one want to lynch him?

vote nost again

Arguing over math. And the recent attachment to BT, "what if he flips town then what".

I can't figure out whether I still think BT is scum or if it's just I'd rather Nos>BT today.

I have a sense that more people than just camn are giving Equinox a pass because she's a replacement and because her posts make her seem calmer and more rational than BT or Nost (even if only camn says as much).

DING DING DING

(And there's also the fact TML asked ActionDan for the name of his QT, if we think that theory has any merit).

Still important.

He was attacked by TGAH, so we'd have to assume TGAH didn't know all the Police, and I'm slightly worried that Nost's wagon analysis is just like his maths -- that is, it's obviously wrong, but also something Nost actually believes in.

:goodposting:

At this point there really isn't much I'm likely to want to add before deadline.

Nost is a bad lync

h; BT is nowhere near as good a lynch as Equinox.

Something just occurred to me, so a real quick post.

Unvote

That ends the Nostredeus wagon. Not that it had any hope in the first place, but maybe it's a good thing that it didn't. I can't examine things in detail until I get home, but make sure he's accountable for what he says today because that will be important the next Day.

I'll buckle down this afternoon and read and promise not to screw off, but,

for the folks on the Nostredeus wagon, you should switch out

, and don't let me be the deciding hammer because we all know how that's going to end.

I'll buckle down this afternoon and read and promise not to screw off, but, for the folks on the Nostredeus wagon, you should switch out, and don't let me be the deciding hammer because we all know how that's going to end.

I wasn't following you.

I wasn't following you.

Nostredeus is not getting lynched this Day. Move off the Nostredeus wagon, and choose either the BT or Equinox wagon. I won't officially have time for this game until this afternoon, and I would prefer it if the 2 on Nostredeus's wagon right now did not split themselves between those two wagons, as I will not be self-hammering.

Either you are hinting that BT should not be lynched today, in which case you will have to self-hammer or

leaving Nostredeus be was pointless

, or that's not what you're hinting in which case there is literally no reason for you not to vote BT at this point.

Yup yup. But hey, since you left us at 2..



Sup Ben?

All right, I've got a few minutes to clarify what has been crossing my mind.

I'm not jumping on the counterwagon right away because I lean town on BT for reasons I've already covered, and I haven't had a chance to review BT's play more fully or review the cases that have been put forth against BT. I want to do that. I want to make sure I believe BT is scum because if I still think BT is town after reading, I'm not going to vote BT.

That's all there is.

Zdenek, Kise, where do you stand at the moment?

Specifically, in regards to what?

In regards to your vote.

It's less than two days to deadline, so yeah.

The way Nos is hardcore tying himself to you makes me think you were gonna flip town (he wasn't in danger of a lynch at the time, just suspected). I'd go Eq right now. I didn't want to be a dick but he chose to stay and not let TML take the rope. Or I coulda been drunk and just hoped Faraday would let something like that happen even after Eq got the role PM.

Also, before I could point it out, CDB gave Eq the "slap yourself" post with 2572.

Ok.

unvote, vote: equinox

[Shaft]

In a nutshell, Eq fucked it up by being a sacrificial dumbass. So you can now cease being selective when iso'ing me, kuribo.

Here's how I see the possible partnerships:

Jason/kise and Jason/benmage are both pretty good possibilities. Jason/camn are possible but I have some reservations.

Camn/benmage are also possible as are kise/camn. I haven't really looked into kise/camn but one would think shed know her partners fake claim, so that's less likely I guess.

Kise/benmage would have to have been doing some hellova distancing, which I think is a little less likely coming from them on day two after losing both the traitor and the tracker day one. So probs not.

We're reading kuribo and dv ad town, so if either both of them are fml, but I don't think they are.

So basically kise/camn isn't scum but any other combination that doesn't involve the neighborhood could be scum together.

Vote Ben. Get off the bullshit and vote Ben.

[Shaft]

In a nutshell, Eq fucked it up by being a sacrificial dumbass. So you can now cease being selective when iso'ing me, kuribo.

Dude, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP "hey, we shoulda lynched Nos instead of Equi"

Dude, YOU WERE THE ONE MAKING IT SEEM LIKE I WANTED EQ LYNCHED THE WHOLE TIME

@Cer, yea I;m in asshole cyber bully mode right because kuribo isn't adding anything and it's aggravating. There's already a vote on jason, what are you 3 waiting on? If you want to get jason, you have a chance as long as camn doesn't unvote. I don't see why you all are sniping from the sideline. I've said my piece on jason and I'm feeling a Ben lynch today. Jason can be fucked with some other time if I'm alive and if I have reason to think he's the more likely scum out of whoever remains. Ben is my more confident vote and I'm not moving the shit so deadline whore it up.

@kuribo that is misrep. That one small mention of Ben lurking, yes, jason is lurking too. That's not my case against Ben. My case against Ben has to do with his inconsistencies from earlier. That is selective and picky. Bus Ben why don't you.

[Shaft]

No rush then. Just tell me what you're waiting on so I have an idea of what you're going through. And hey, if we can be calm, ask me for my input on whatever so we can figure this out together. Does that sound good guys?

I don't know I thought today was lylo with 6 alive.

[Shaft]

You're not even comprehending, you're assuming thing's that aren't true. You snipped at me about my question to DV yesterday and a bunch of other stuff only to reply "oh sorry just woke up.. oh sorry I suck lotsa cocks". And the shit's rubbing off on me, now I"M getting jumpy out this motherfucker.

gtfo

[Shaft]

That's how I know you don't give a shit what I'm typing about Ben. You're not reading me.

I was the one person giving you a pass for stubbornly keeping your vote on me for 20+ posts (I counted). That's why I'm here in lylo with you.

[Shaft]

IF YOU THOUGHT TODAY WAS LYLO WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN VOTE HOPPING

Confidence.

Balls.

Swag.

[Shaft]

Not voting jason, gl with that.

[Shaft]

kuribo... if I thought there were 6 alive, 4 to lynch, 4 town, 2 scum...my single vote on you/camn/Ben means there would need to be at least one other town before the 2 scum could quickhammer.

You're fucking up.

[Shaft]

Nah. There was nothing to worry about with my vote parked on yall. Keep making something out of nothing.

Thank you for pushing the caps key off.

It might be lylo. Doc, bg, BP and vig is a lot for only 3 scum and their traitor, maybe?

[Shaft]

Oh but wait, scum have daytalk because of DV. Ben hasn't had a quickhammer coordinated on him.

Thanks kuribo, now I have more that points to Ben being scum!

[Shaft]

that makes about as much sense as an oral bowel movement

a.k.a. your shit talking

[Shaft]

Why aren't you trying to talk Ben off of DV?

[Shaft]

Shouldn't you be trying to rally the townies together? If you don't have Ben as town, then look at my case if you would.

[Shaft]

In a nutshell, Eq fucked it up by being a sacrificial dumbass. So you can now cease being selective when iso'ing me, kuribo.

Here's how I see the possible partnerships:

Jason/kise and Jason/benmage are both pretty good possibilities. Jason/camn are possible but I have some reservations.

Camn/benmage are also possible as are kise/camn. I haven't really looked into kise/camn but one would think shed know her partners fake claim, so that's less likely I guess.

Kise/benmage would have to have been doing some hellova distancing, which I think is a little less likely coming from them on day two after losing both the traitor and the tracker day one. So probs not.

We're reading kuribo and dv ad town, so if either both of them are fml, but I don't think they are.

So basically kise/camn isn't scum but any other combination that doesn't involve the neighborhood could be scum together.

Vote Ben. Get off the bullshit and vote Ben.

Actually no. The pairing I think is least likely is benmage/kise.

Kise/camn could work. Just because I think it would be strange not to remember her partners fake claim doesn't mean it's impossible. it's also possible one peron isn't reading their partners posts or is pretending not to. I just think that's less likely.

I see, I misread.

[Shaft]

Another reason I don't think it's jason is because of the Zdenek kill. I think scum knew better than to kill him immediately after I claimed expensive doc, so they waited the next night and got him sure enough. I don't see jason juking me like that. It points more to Ben and camn.

[Shaft]

How?

And why does the Sotty kill point to benmage/camn?

I think Ben and camn aremore likely to outsmart me and call my bluffs. Not to say jason doesn't have a brain but I have never seen him do something as crafty as predicting the moves of others. Kuribo admits to fucking with people when he's scum, so I also threw a vote on him after the Pless kill. Something about Ben's post

after

the vote doesn't sit right with me. I've put the spotlight on him, and do you also notice camn isn't bringing up Ben's absta interactions to help add fuel to the fire? It makes me think she doesn't want to see Ben go.

As things are, I can't bless a jason lynch. It's just a game, win or lose, so if you and your neighbors are dead set on jason then do it. Don't look to me to absolve you for making the decision.

[Shaft]

Scum recruited a snitch didn't they Faraday?

[Shaft]

Not that it affects how I feel on DV, but are you still working on a towncase for DV? I hope it's not a novel.

[Shaft]

Well you keep bringing up jason and it looks like you want me to budge on lynching him or saying I think it's cool if he did get more votes. How about a comment on Ben?

[Shaft]

He lurks like shit, so what? He did the same thing as town in the Harry Potter game and even was hypocritical enough to call me out. I asked you guys days ago why no one wanted to touch him. He makes it hard to get a read on him, and honestly that policy lynch should have been done D3 when I brought it up. Thing is, while I don't have a townread on jason, I have a scumread on Ben. Nothing new has been developed to change my mind on jason because, what do you know, he prod dodges more than anything.

[Shaft]

My child, you are lost. For we will have to one day show you the truth that is Jesus Kise.... the link you showed was a mini? And jason already countered your point in his next reply but you have no REAL rebuttal to it? I'm keeping my spine straight on this one with where my vote is. I AM starting to come around to the notion that there is 4 town and 3 scum. With a vig and myself and the dead town prs, there looks like a lot to put up against simply 3 scum and a traitor. 4 scum and a traitor looks more reasonable to especially handle a limited vig.

[Shaft]

Kise, why is Jason town?

Do you want me to vote jason?

It's just like in HP, he was pretty obviously town from the beginning and from his posts even though he was low activity.

Yup he was so obviously town and that's why we ran him up to claim after days of calling him out on his lurking.

Also, if you would bother reading the game, you would know why until this point he basically had a free pass. The mafia traitor went after him hard core, and we considered that a mafia traitor wouldn't behave that way to a mafia boss. That's why we haven't pushed for Jason even though we had a strong scum read on him early game. That's why he didn't get vigged because we thought his atrocious play was his town atrocious play, even though it's oodles and oodles worse than the mini and HP combined. I presented evidence at the start of day which shows traitor Konowa bussing like hell his mafia boss unnecessarily in a game running at the same time as this one, which makes our earlier assumptions for Jason being town incorrect.

Also also, you didn't push to take care of Jason on day three. You said he was being saved for the mislynch in lylo. Does that mean you have a town read on him? I hate to break this to you Kise but no one needs your blessing to lynch Jason, but we do care about associations, and your pussyfooting around the Jason situation looks scummy as fuck.

OK. Like I said, the neighborhood has enough votes to lynch him. Do what you 3 want. If jason is lynched, and if he's scum, and the game continues with me tomorrow, it is what it is. Regardless of what I say, you already made your intentions known a while ago by saying you were looking to get a read on me. I could have manipulated the situation from that point, but no. I'm keeping it real. I don't care to vote jason right now.

Not that it affects how I feel on DV, but are you still working on a towncase for DV? I hope it's not a novel.

I like you better when you're Kise or when you're town.

Either your shaft avatar or your scum role pm brings out the irritating prick in you.

It's off-topic but hey, you do write some stretchy ass posts here and there. Some of us have other things to do with our time and can't read one post for an hour. It shouldn't be a secret you two post a lot of walls, and with as long as it's taking to give your townread on DV, it looks like a big post is being primed up. FYI in case I didn't mention it before, I don't have DV as scum. If anyone needs to be convinced of it, you should direct your future post to the others.

Chill with the racism.

[Shaft]

I'm sorry I could not recognize you for the black queen you are. I was distracted by all the

blue

cerulean.

And since this is basically the Shaft vs Neighbors show now, when fuck I been walling like yall been walling?! Maybe when I was still on my phone..but nah, them Cerulean walls as long as graffiti on the train. Feels like I'm unraveling scrolls.

[Shaft]

At least camn represents the foxy mamas.

Jason lurks as scum.
Hypo jasontown is mislynch fodder now OR in lylo.... and now is more optimal.

Pretty sure he lurks as town too.
Why couldn't today possibly be lylo?

[Shaft]

there is something niggling me about Kise

[Shaft]

Just a dream. I think you should consider DV's play isn't far off from jason's at this point.

Kise/Shaft is only on maybe town list because of his claim. His play is absolute shit, and if it weren't for the probably crumb coupled with his claim I'd lynch it in a second.

Jason might be town because of tgah's interactions. But, again, his play is absolute shit. It's even worse than Kise's, and that's setting the bar low low low.

I'm really sorry, but I won't be able to read over people properly tonight. Don't wait for me if you'd rather go ahead, but Benmage's recent posts feel scummy at first glance, as if he's trying too hard to look town almost?

I need to reconsider CDB though and I agree with you, Cerulean,

on both Jason and Shaft

/Kise/whatever he calls himself.

so what changed these last 10 days, DV?

Eerie L-2 silence..

[Shaft]

Do you have any recent scum games you can link?

[Shaft]

scum games

Team Mafia - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25716
Medical Mafia - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25233

Team mafia is the same link as Zach's microm which is actually a town game of yours. It looks like you criss crossed the games you linked.

I'll look for Team Mafia myself but you should still link it

[Shaft]

Nvm can you just link to it?

[Shaft]

I'm creeped out by the shadow lurking going on this phase.

jason, how did you end up needing to make an EBWOP when you already linked to the Zac game in the previous post? In other words, help me understand how you criss crossed Team and Zac's mafia games.

[Shaft]

Ben, I'm still not sure about your answer to my last question. Why would you throw out that I had time for a claim if my claim didn't matter, especially considering there were other viable lynches/VT claims? If doc isn't the end all be all, what is?

[Shaft]

@Cerulean, not really. Team mafia was mid last year. It looks like jasonscum is aggressive. I asked him about recent [scum] meta since his other recent game was linked. I figured it would help for the rest of you to look at. I didn't want to be ignorant, however, so I looked at everything he linked.

[Shaft]

@Cerulean, not really. Team mafia was mid last year. It looks like jasonscum is aggressive. I asked him about recent [scum] meta since his other recent game was linked. I figured it would help for the rest of you to look at. I didn't want to be ignorant, however, so I looked at everything he linked.

Yeah, I was his scum partner in team mafia. He started out strong and aggressive and then started coasting and lurking about mid to late day one.

Ebwop started coasting and lurking mid to late day two (not one)

How would you compare him here to HPATPL?

[Shaft]

I've already talked about this more than once starting on day one. He was low activity in that game, but he was active and engaged. He was scum hunting, he was interacting with people. I mean I just read through his ISP that game and I can't believe you're trying to compare it. I don't care what the complaints against him were. I townread him early in that game and it never went away, just as I townread him in the mini that just ended as I followed the game.

He's not doing anything here.

You should believe. Despite what he did early game to get your townread, jason was useless midgame in HP mafia. The only thing that got me off him was setup spec after he claimed town ghost. His breadcrumbs were funny as hell.

Ben, I'm still not sure about your answer to my last question. Why would you throw out that I had time for a claim if my claim didn't matter, especially considering there were other viable lynches/VT claims? If doc isn't the end all be all, what is?

I know you're not....

That isn't answering the question. Nice dodge attempt.

Why would you throw out that I had time for a claim if my claim didn't matter, especially considering there were other viable lynches/VT claims? The answer to your question is situational. Sometimes yes sometimes no. Don't focus on that, focus on my question.

[Shaft]

I obviously can't excuse jason but I replaced in with about 20 or so pages. I was in the process of moving back into my old apartment and came online via phone until my laptop arrived. With my attention span being the way it is, I couldn't get into the game of people speculating and throwing accusations around. I mean, as you see, all the spec/accusations got is the mafia traitor. It happens in copless games, but for me my attention span just isn't so great for catching up and having to follow people's beliefs.

And I could talk more shit in HP due to being caught up andnot having to worry about repeating something someone else said.

Deadline is in 2 days. I await a reply from Ben so I probably won't speak unless spoken to.

[Shaft]

Right now. Camn/Ben/Kuribo are the 3 I could easily go for. There is at least 1 scum in that group.

That's just about the order I would lynch but I would switch kuribo with DV depending on what powers the others had. If there's 3 more scum, I think a bodyguard is neat against a vig, but a neighborizer would be more suitable if Ben and camn were crucial enough counters to the rest of town's PRs.

[Shaft]

Woops. Thought you had Ben before camn. Carry on.

[Shaft]

Looking through things now, I just feel so confused when it comes to camn/shaft/Jason.

What part did you look through/look over?

[Shaft]

Not. I'm guessing that's the word active is what the (A) means.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Shaft]

This part of the game is stressful isn't it?

[Shaft]

Deadline in 3 hours

Woops, meant to post yesterday.. its been overwhelming returning to NY engaged. I'll try and post tonight.

Still have a few days till deadline, I'll fix my groove. Overwhelming return to NY.

Ill try to catchup tonight.

Well played.

[Shaft]

Day 5, Votecount 14

]Benmage (2) - Shaft

Is this correct?

[Shaft]

The lynch today is Kise or you. No one in the neighborhood will back any other wagon, and Benmage won't vote himself again most likely.

Oh ok please win the game for us then while Ben continues to avoid me

Vote Shaft

[Shaft]

I'm town.

[Shaft]

unvote

I will answer your question after DV

[Shaft]

SO

, we agree in thread that Shaft protects either me or kuribo, whichever he can still.. and DV the other.

Meant this. I'll let you know who I can protect after making sure DV can chip in on the plan.

[Shaft]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4849200

[Shaft]

Can you stop shitting in the thread?

[Shaft]

Ben you still didn't answer. Be straight up. No mystic bullshit, just act like you're looking someone in the eye.

kuribo you've been a loudmouth all game with no weight outside of the neighborhood. You came in defending your slot. Your play hasn't been golden but my shit better, hoe. I came in the game calling people out.

Get on my level.

[Shaft]

ribo how am I supposed to refute? You got your dead neighbor wanting you to see out this dying wish and made it clear you and DV were either voting me or camn, which was a half-hearted threat in the first place. You guys are throwing the game. I self voted to help..because you should let me be the bad guy. I picked it up midgame but I guess that isn't enough to forgive my past.

I was once notorious for bussing. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on jason. I just didn't like that no one said a peep about him 4 days ago. Oh well. ribo please reconsider. Scum kept me alive because they know they have all the information roles. I had no one valuable to protect. I'm real town doctor! Who else would absta track every 2nd night after the limited town power roles ran out of shots?


ribo I'm tell you, I'm town.

[Shaft]

rib don't do it

i'm tickle you if let me go

i'm your slave now. i'm your django, pls let go him vote

[Shaft]

vote shaft

Talk your shit while I'm dead please.

[Shaft]

<.<

Vote Shaft

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