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[Jal]

Yeah, me and playing scum really well doesn't mix.

I think AA just highlighted that PV really has narrowed down blue scum to be no one, because AA is not blue scum and Jeck's interaction with Sixx eliminates him from being blue.

[Jal]

Wind-up's big hurrah about the ridiculousness of him

specifically

being blue scum made me rethink that idea.

[Jal]

I noticed that, but it might be indicative of scum in general versus blue scum specifically.

[Jal]

I really don't know where to go with Wind-up.

[Jal]

I'm voting by tomorrow if nothing else comes out of this thread.

[Jal]

I'm big time leaning PV here and this big delay of everything isn't making me feel any better. I've seen him do this as scum twice before. I think he loses steam towards the end.

[Jal]

I was specifically thinking of Open 410 and the recent First Time Mafia. In the former you didn't put up much of a fight prior to going V/LA, and chose rather to argue with me a little. First Time Mafia I can't even remember you towards the second last day (your quick lynch the last day doesn't count).

Slandaar, your logic doesn't make sense with whom you're targeting.

[Jal]

410: You replaced into a scum slot midway through D1 and you and drmyshotgun weren't suspect. It was me vs Lastsurvivor so that whole thing doesn't matter much, and you weren't the obvious vote in our LYLO. In our three person LYLO, the other guy had me as his main scum read as did you, but he remarkably changed his read later on the last day.

But look at both scenarios. You were the last one left. In this scenario you'd be the last one left and there's a good possibility of your lynch. How wouldn't they be relevant? These scenarios are the same.

[Jal]

I'm not seeing blue scum wind-up in that.

[Jal]

VOTE: PV

[Jal]

If PV is not scum then I just hate my life.

[Jal]

What? What are you talking about?

[Jal]

Okay jesus christ let's not all vote right away like numb skulls here.

I'm leaning Penguin/Wind-up.

I'll be back a bit later. I'm tired.

[Jal]

For me this is poe: I think Slandaar is red scum. I don't think he would have attacked Baby Spice like that once replacing. AA town read is meta + her red scum hunting + what's happened today.

This conversation between AA and Penguin is horrible. Penguin is just picking at what AA is saying when it's quite obvious what she means. AA also has a point about no one jumping on Penguin's wagon. Both Wind-up and Slandaar have been on at the same time and neither voted, so we can eliminate that scum team scenario entirely. I'm town. The only two people who can be scum at this point would have to be AA + Penguin for AA scum to even work. Nah. Not see that.

AA, I'll probably be voting Penguin. I want to talk first. I tried looking up your thoughts on Wind-up specifically but I only found you believe he was blue scum and that's it. Please explain why you think he is town. I don't see any possibility for another partner.

P-edit what the hell?

[Jal]

You better not be jumping on that shit Slandaar.

[Jal]

Where did this AA stuff even come from? I feel like it just got made up today.

[Jal]

No, those aren't scum slips. I understood exactly what she meant. Scum slips are mostly BS anyway.

I don't know why she was trying to get you to self vote or what it would accomplish. I think it's a bit stupid, but it doesn't means she's scum. The only scum AA scenario I see where she tried that was if Slandaar were scum with her and was around to cast another vote after you and I'm not seeing what scum team whatsoever.

[Jal]

Why would red scum AA be hunting red scum yesterday?

[Jal]

Okay guys,

Because she felt more confident focusing there, since she knew where red scum actually was.

This looks like Penguin either just admitted she was red scum (Angel was looking in the right place) or that both she and Angel are scum (Red scum knowing where to look).

[Jal]

Checking in.

That doesn't look like what you meant, Penguin.

Are you around, Wind-up? It's like 1pm EST and no one has hammered.

[Jal]

I am pretty sure this makes Penguin scum.

[Jal]

Oh god let's stop the drama. I'm willing to hammer down the road so stop it. It's not like that by asking for some more time suddenly the votes are switched or something.

Wind-up: How does that scream scum buddies?

[Jal]

I can maybe see busing given what I wrote before, but not both Angel and Slandaar being scum and ganging up.

[Jal]

Actually, any way I logically look at this has Penguin as for sure scum. Either she has all town on her or she's being bused which means crap all.

I will hammer whenever. If people want to say anything first then go ahead.

Slandaar, he just said he thinks it may be you and AA.

[Jal]

A self vote heh. That's that.

AA, I didn't think you and wind-up are scum together. I was pointing out what Wind-up was saying. I already said it made Penguin confirmed scum.

In my cartoon's scum game we had an agreement that scum Peregrine would self-vote asap when given the opportunity. So either scum thought they had a chance or they just weren't around. Looking at the former because Penguin just didn't post anywhere for awhile after Slandaar said he'd vote for Angel the next day, until I said about 5:30pm pst that I thought she was confirmed scum and was ready to hammer after people said what they wanted to.

[Jal]

Okay, I just woke up. Angel, I'm still thinking Wind-up scum.

This seems like it may be way too obvious from my perspective though.

Wind-up, I don't want to hear so much that you're town. I've seen scum do that way too many times when I'm dead and they're in lylo and it doesn't help you here if you're actually town. Give me the scum details.

[Jal]

Started re-reading and realized that Wind-up's slot was missing a bunch of D1 bleeeeeh.

[Jal]

Wind-up, how are AA's interactions with red team specifically scummy?

Also, NK WIFOM points to Jal. (I know.)

What does this even mean?

[Jal]

First off, I'm not ending anything early. You're talking to the person who had weeks to decide between two people at lylo in Open 410 and I made my decision in the last 9 or so hours. So, no.

[Jal]

Angel, other than Wind-up's commentary at the end of the last day, what else makes him scum?

Wind-up, I'm going to need something from you that's not trying to prove you're town and just copying and pasting a big list and saying, "this is a good place to start looking."

I'll make my own big post tomorrow.

[Jal]

Thanks. Is this all you have?

Angel, I looked through our Mish Mash game and you've been on also.

I looked through some of the past earlier kills and it generally added up to, "People killed by red generally thought Angel was townish. People thought Edo was null-scum or didn't talk about him much." It is more conclusive of Wind-up scum, but not by much, but the later kills involving Allyra and Slaandypants are more so.

Although, what you posted earlier Wind-up got me thinking:

DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Why in the world would a red scum AA hammer their scum buddy like that?

[Jal]

I keep hoping for something substantive to change my mind but Wind-up isn't delivering bleh.

[Jal]

I'm not voting anything yet.

[Jal]

Yeah, I just realized that vote count had you at a 4 in the end. I thought the vote was tied. Most of the reason I think you're the last red scum is mostly poe and some little interactions your predecessor has vs my feelings on AA.

I've mostly skimmed your latest posts. Give me tonight or afternoon tomorrow to read and go through those posts. I just feel like crap right now.

[Jal]

Actually, give me until tonight on this one. I got busy.

[Jal]

Okay, I went through your posts. What I mainly did though was I went through some of AA's past games to look up her scum meta indepth.

This is going to be me mostly talking to myself.

Regarding busing, she seems to go in-between not mentioning her teammates (Posh Mafia) to busing those in her Simpson game. That can entirely fit in with what you're saying. The only difference though, is I'm finding her attitude just rubs off differently. She comes across as "smooth" (when she's not being attacked, then she gets OMGUSy) whereas here she's more jerky with her emotions. It's reminiscent of Uberninja's scum vs town gameplay.

Wind-up, question: When you came into the game you immediately called out Penguin specifically as red scum:

I'm primarily looking at penguin_alien and Lurker's slots for redscum

Then you ended up voting for her the day before she was actually voted out.

But why didn't you vote for her then after calling her red scum most of the game?

[Jal]

Sorry I've been busy guys, although I feel like everyone is waiting on me for whatever reason. Its freaking me out a bit.

[Jal]

Angel, do you have anything to say to his posts?

[Jal]

What the hell. You guys got really active last night.

[Jal]

I am just going to read through some things and just end this.

[Jal]

Okay, look. I'm basing this vote on numerous things, not just simply meta, one post, or what have you. I may not have been online a lot recently, but I *have* been thinking about this game a lot. I came |-----| close to voting the other in this just based on the arguments that I've read this game day. Wind-up in particular has made a lot of good points. I felt Angel has too, but she wasn't around a lot which didn't bode well to me. Speaking about our pictures in mish mash also felt a bit like buddying

Wind-up, I do agree with you that AA's meta is inconclusive. I don't know really how to describe the "calm" part. Only word I could figure. Just as scum when I read back over her games when she is not being attacked, it just comes across as calculating. Something I haven't seen much of here except her last post to join her, but I think that may be "people" differences other than her being scum.

Some of the last reasons for this vote:

1) Edo's re-do conversation with known red scum Jeck wherein he completely changes his mind about what he first thought.
2) POE. All I see is possible busing from AA. I'm not seeing the scum team being scummy back at her. When Slandaar brought up that Wind-up was a red scum option, I pointed out to him (and I think Allyra agreed) that the only one that fit the bill to be scum with him was Penguin. I believe this works both ways
3) I think my meta read on AA's attitude still holds.

If I vote wrong, I'm sorry. Whether I hammer scum or town though, I think almost all of us put a lot of time in this game together. AA in particular has been here from the beginning, so bravo! This will probably be my last game for a while because I just don't have time.

[As a side note: I've been worried as shit that I'm voting between scum and a third and I'm just losing no matter what by how you two were waiting for me to obviously make a vote first. If so, screw you both]

With that:

VOTE: Wind-up

[Jal]

What would a third even drive in this anyway? A scooter?

[Jal]

Gah my post got eaten.

Anyway, I've finally read through the Dead QT.

Once I realized AA and Wind-up thought the other was scum , I decided to take a step back and not do much. I've done the whole "fight for my life in lylo as everyone thinks you're scum" but I felt like it wasn't needed here. Both players were obviously looking for me to take some sort of lead and I wasn't having that. I needed them to take action instead. I was also certain AA was trying to reaction test me several times, "end the game Jal" "I'll end it tomorrow" (The Slandaar method) and I wasn't going to fall for that.

This is also the type of lylo where voting first didn't seem smart. If I voted for AA, she would have realized I was scum and would have thrown a shit storm my way, and I didn't want to deal with the wrath of AA and have Wind-up delve too deeply into that since he kinda has scum feelings about me. If I voted for Wind-up and AA didn't insta-vote him, Wind-up would have realized I was scum and would have thrown what I feel would have been a good case against me which AA

may have

listened to. So no. No voting first.

In the end, I was just throwing BS against the wall to get both Wind-up and AA into the game to read either mine or each other's posts, make a response, and have the other get upset or call BS at their reasoning and feel more confident in stepping forward and taking action. Was I at my best? Nope. I was busy doing my other things and I was paying lazily, but I wouldn't have played the same way in lylo up against someone like Slandaar or AP.

Slandaar is spot on concerning why I decided to kill him. Once Slandaar flips on a read he is dead set on it and I didn't want to deal with that liability in LYLO. I've also dealt with town Slandaar as scum before and I wasn't having any of that again.

Good game, guys. Good job team. Thanks (sorry) TML for backing me up saying you didn't think I was scum, causing people to think we were partners and they ended up wanting to vote you first!

Fun fact: When I entered the game I was playing Monopoly Mafia with Baby Spice and we were at each other's throats. Once I saw Baby Spice was my scum partner here and acting entirely different in Monopoly, I knew she was town and I ended up awkwardly taking my vote off of her in the other game.

[Jal]

Reads are a lot easier when you are scum.

Did you see how I called the entire blue team town?!

Yeah SC. Thanks for modding Must have been hell with all the replace-outs.

[Jal]

If you do well enough in the mid-game (or others do worse) and kill the right people, you're mostly just left riding on the confirmation bias wave. And I ran straight into the ocean with my surfboard in hand on this one.

Although, It was more about the game being multiscum and my team making the right kills that saved me. Peregrine being lynched just in time also. I had a horrible midgame as I was off playing Survivor in MishMash.

[Jal]

You were on the correct path the day prior. It was Wind-up freaking out about Slandaar that seemed to change your mind.

In the Dead QT a lot of people said they'd like to nominate you for most improved player

[Jal]

Swordy was much more drastic and was so gut wrenching to watch not be confirmed town.