In post 16, Pjovek wrote:For the sake of the universe and contiguity, I need everyone to claim the game/universe their character is from.
Nothing important, just a lil dash of flavor.
It's no big deal guys.
What could possibly go wrong.
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Zdenek is town. I wouldn't worry overly much about the role that must be protected claiming, being run up to a claim or being narrowed down via vanilla claims, all that can be avoided by not carelessly running someone up that we don't actually have an intention of lynching.
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Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.In post 97, Tierce wrote:In post 92, MattP wrote:Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.-
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I uhhh have no idea how that quote fail happened...
Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.[/quote]In post 100, Zachrulez wrote:In post 97, Tierce wrote:Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.-
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My friend Jason a while back ran a theme game. It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.In post 104, Tierce wrote:
Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.In post 100, Zachrulez wrote:
Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.In post 97, Tierce wrote:Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.
I'm barely paying attention to anything else in this game beyond my initial observations right now.In post 105, enomis wrote:@Kat & Zach: Mind stating your opinion on whimsical?-
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Without a given reason for doing so, I'm not going to let the action pass.In post 114, Tierce wrote:implosion and Pjovek are bringing home the bacon.
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You're making my notes very, very sad, Zach.
Pushing for a massclaim D1 is a specific situation that has nothing to do with Pjovek's behavior so far. Why are you trying to pin someone else's meta and somegame else's situation on him?
(Pregame QTs exist and Vi games have a tendency to have Daytalk for scum anyway.)
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Hey Tierce the above consequences you listed are exactly why I'm voting him.In post 124, Tierce wrote:
My main concern is the inherent risk involved in making a post like that. You appear to be an intelligent player (trolling notwithstanding), and there is an immediate risk that someoneIn post 116, Pjovek wrote:Not yet, no.
Suffice to say I was feeling a bit lazy.
Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.willthink it's not a big deal indeed and start claiming info about their character. I expect you to be aware of this risk--so why take it?
Putting things simply: the scum might know which character is the Apocalypse one. Revealing universes/continuity might help them. Why do you think this is a risk worth taking, either in a trolling form ("let's see who jumps on this!") or genuinely thinking a partial flavor claim is something we should do?
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Even a partial claim on mass can be beneficial to scum. Even if it's not a mass claim of everything, it's still a type of massclaim he asked for.In post 131, Zdenek wrote:
I see any comment in the scum-qt about this going something like: "town will be on the look-out for people trying to fish for people's flavour, so we should be careful not to do things that could appear to be flavour fishing," and not like "I think its a bad idea for us to flavour claim." The difference in the conversations makes me think that it's a mistake that scum is unlikely to make, and that it's more likely that Whimsy just invented the reason for his MattP town-rea with the scum-motivation being to buddy MattP directly, and indirect buddy Oversoul by agreeing with him on a read.In post 93, Syryana wrote:Pedit: Zdenek. Why would scum want to push something obviously scum? That would be the height of dumbfuckery; "HAY GAIZ THERE'S A ROLE OUT THERE THAT DOES GOOD THINGS FOR SCUM LET'S ALL OUT OUR FLAVOR INFO SO IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE SCUM TO FIND IT" So I ask you; why would scum not think releasing flavor information is a bad idea?
It's not impossible for MattP and Whimsy to be buddies, but my feeling is that at that moment, at the start of the game and under no pressure, that scum is not likely to give a false reason for read a buddy - it's something they are usually more careful about.
Well, he's pushing for us to claim a small part of our flavour, which is potentially anti-town, but it's definitely not him pushing for mass-claim, so you're blowing this out of proportion.In post 106, Zachrulez wrote:It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.-
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I figured that my thought process would be obvious even if one didn't agree with my POV. Since you listed the potential consequences that shockingly DID enter my thought process, I found it prudent to reveal that yes, that is actually a part of my reasoning for the vote.In post 137, Tierce wrote:
Hey Zach you did not mention this at all. You jumped on him immediately and, when asked, didn't explain your thought process, instead bringing up a completely unrelated situation with no relation to this game and playerlist. Forgive me if I'm not inclined to believe that Zach-Town would not push and prod instead of laying down a vote without any investigative push on your scumread.In post 134, Zachrulez wrote:
Hey Tierce the above consequences you listed are exactly why I'm voting him.In post 124, Tierce wrote:
My main concern is the inherent risk involved in making a post like that. You appear to be an intelligent player (trolling notwithstanding), and there is an immediate risk that someoneIn post 116, Pjovek wrote:Not yet, no.
Suffice to say I was feeling a bit lazy.
Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.willthink it's not a big deal indeed and start claiming info about their character. I expect you to be aware of this risk--so why take it?
Putting things simply: the scum might know which character is the Apocalypse one. Revealing universes/continuity might help them. Why do you think this is a risk worth taking, either in a trolling form ("let's see who jumps on this!") or genuinely thinking a partial flavor claim is something we should do?
PEdit: I don't see how scum having a fabricated Townread on anyone makes the second person Town.
Pjovek's request may not (does not) benefit Town, yet you still happily dumped a truckload of someone-else's-meta and somegame-else's-situation on him with no actual thinking fromyouaboutthis gameandthis playerexpressed in it. Dull, boring, lazy, and you're better than that.
PEdit: Probably because it was boring/incomprehensible. Be more entertaining and engaged and I might to do more than skim your posts.
I brought up the other game to demonstrate that the action does have potential scum motivation and generally no town motivation if a damn good reason for proposing it isn't brought up with it... none of this vague "I have a good reason" bullshit. (My reference to the other game is to put context on the action being scummy, not a personal meta reference.)
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Argh I had to actually go look it up because Jason has modded like 513 games.In post 152, implosion wrote:In post 121, Syryana wrote:
On an unrelated note because I'm curious, why do you want me to be town?In post 111, implosion wrote:I'm going to assume syryana is town for a while, because i want him to be.
it makes things a little simpler i guess? idk really. Also you should stop spamming :\. Quintupleposts shouldn't be a thing.In post 121, Syryana wrote:
On an unrelated note because I'm curious, why do you want me to be town?In post 111, implosion wrote:I'm going to assume syryana is town for a while, because i want him to be.
Zach: could you link to the game you mentioned?
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He runs so many games, one right after the other and even multiple games at the same time I have trouble keeping them all straight. I wasn't referencing the game on anything other than memory, being asked for the link was somewhat annoying because I was then being asked to actually look the game up. (Bah at having to do work.)In post 159, Oversoul wrote:
The game is very recent, why did you say this?In post 158, Zachrulez wrote:Argh I had to actually go look it up because Jason has modded like 513 games.-
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Oh dear god...In post 177, Syryana wrote:but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.
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Let's delve into the giant paragraph now.
By extension you're saying my actions are more unforgivable than a scum slip. I uhhh... don't even know what to say to that. (Or to the fact that if he is your top suspect you can actually make him the top wagon right nao. What's stopping you.)In post 177, Syryana wrote:
My reason for being on the Whimsywagon was primarily due to the scumslip.In post 175, enomis wrote:Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.
This is bullshit. See above. You can literally make him the #1 wagon with your one vote. The fact that he hasn't posted actually merits more pressure on him IMO.In post 177, Syryana wrote:It's fairly obvious at this point that wagon is going precisely nowhere (particularly given Whimsy hasn't been seen since that slip post)
It seems agreeing that it's a bad idea should be where it ends. It's almost like you guys are trying to force an extra level of play here where you're trying to work an already made conclusion of Zach scum into taking advantage of the situation. This presumes Pjovek town and frankly I'm just floored that this kind of leap and presumption is being made.In post 177, Syryana wrote:and I like the Zach wagon for a couple of reasons. The problem with Zach is not what he's saying against Pjovek's flavor claim; I 100% agree that flavor claim is a terrible idea. However, look how Zach pushes the idea;
Yeah, the reason I did that was to demonstrate that the action has a scum motivation and that the reaction to the action leads to an anti-town gamestate if you don't answer the action directly with a rebuke like I did.In post 177, Syryana wrote:he links a game where scum got away with pushing mass claim on Day 1
I voted with reason. Part of the game at that point is to get people to react to my vote and infer what my reasons are, something that... you know would help me come to positions on reacting players. (I don't think my reasoning for that vote at that point in the game is that hard to infer if you put some thought into it.)In post 177, Syryana wrote:without giving reasons and claims that's sufficient reason to lynch Pjovek (as Pjo has not given reasons either).
They're different kinds of claims, but they generally contribute to anti-town gamestates. The fact that they are different kind of claims doesn't change my stance on the issue. He pushed for a form of massclaim. Are we really going to argue semantics about full massclaim vs partial massclaim? Hell trying to push a more subtle massclaim that people see as seemingly harmless is something I would find more scummy because the damaging effects of such a partial massclaim are not likely to be immediately apparent to a town.In post 177, Syryana wrote:He makes no attempt to ask Pjo what his reasons are and the game he linked has little to do with the situation at hand; the mechanics are entirely different, pushing flavor claim is different from pushing massclaim, etc. I believe Tierce has already gone over this.
Bullshit. Two simultaneous arguments are being made here. One that Zach is not scumhunting, and two that Zach's scumhunting sucks in your opinion. The two of these do not resolve together. If you're going to challenge my reasoning and call my lazy... fine. (But also you should probably make sure that I've never exhibited these traits as town in other games as well, just a tip.) Just don't say I'm not scumhunting, because the statement is entirely untrue.In post 177, Syryana wrote:In the meantime, Zachstillhas not tried to scumhunt, figure out Pjo's reasoning for pushing flavor claim, has not looked for any suspects other than Pjo. He's being very lazy and his method for pushing his scumread on Pjo frankly sucks.
I already touched on this, but part of the reason you're voting me is because I have a scummy and you expect more from me as a result?In post 177, Syryana wrote:Now, I've never played with Zach before (he was my mod in Micro 134, <3), but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.
Are you even sure Tierce is town? (I'm inferring that on your willingness to sheep her.) I'm not exactly having great feelings about her early play. Her jump on me feels just a bit opportunistic and more over semantics than anything else.-
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To be fair, my vote on Pjovek is starting to look silly now given how early it was in the game and how much as happened then, coupled with the fact that I've lost some interest in it.
Vote: Whimsey Eggplant
I've heard a scumslip referred to, but I don't see it. My issue is that he hit Tammy for discussing game mechanics/merley commenting, when his own post basically amounted to the same thing. Tammy's done far more than he claims she has at this point, and we've seen no followup from the Whimsey one so far, which irks me because you think that would be the kind of line of thought someone genuinely scumhunting actually would follow up on. His lack of follow up doesn't come from not being available to respond either. He posted on site twice on Sunday.-
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Errr...
Vote: Whimsical Eggplant
In case the incorrectly named one doesn't count.
My lack of attention to the game over the weekend was due to having lots of shiny distractions. My lack of attention in that timeframe isn't meant to say that I was never going to give the content in the game attention, just that I wasn't in much of a position to over the last couple of days.-
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It's possible. I don't think it weakens my point, though it's not the entire crux of my vote anyway.In post 192, enomis wrote:Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?
Also I went back to your post where you originally voted for Whimsical and I see the point you're making now. He's agreeing with Matt about something Matt never mentioned in game as far as I can see.-
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Well I mean it's possible he hasn't, but I don't find it the most likely reason.In post 197, enomis wrote:@zach:It weakens your case a lot actually we have seen no follow up because he has not read this thread at all(my interpretation). But bah.-
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I will confess I don't much care for her vote on the wagon or her reactions to inquiries on the wagon, which led to an unvote which came way too easily.In post 208, Tierce wrote:Reasoning and speed and this game's mechanics. I don't think he's scum, so.
And considering I'm voting the lady up there and she is more interested on my request for an unvote than on my reasons for voting her, color me intrigued. A word that here means "Hey guys, she reallyisscum!"
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That game was in 2011, and I posted 6 times barely saying anything.In post 262, Katsuki wrote:
Pretty sure it was 2012, since I still had it hanging about a few months ago. Date doesn't particularly matter and I'm not sure why you're caught up about this?In post 259, Oversoul wrote:
I am going to assume you are talking about 2011/2010 scummies then?In post 258, Katsuki wrote:
What? Where do you think my BEST TOWN PERFORMANCE scummy came from? (noob zach had to get himself shot to prevent our wonderful townsweep)In post 257, Oversoul wrote:
Time together in team mafia?In post 254, Katsuki wrote:I was under the impression that it was for 'out of context' arguments. Either way Zach doesn't give me a good vibe, vastly different from our time together in team mafia.
Oh well.
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The only thing that slows the battery drain based on what the ruleset says is true activity, thus spam is not going to slow down the battery drain.
It's a net negative because everyone has to go through that spam that doesn't slow down the battery drain at all, so it just makes it harder to read through the game on top of giving people less time to do it.-
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You'll come to find that the allure of what kind of "information" a lynch yields isn't highly valued by me. My priority is to find scummy players and lynch them for it, get scum flip, rinse, repeat, ect.In post 301, Tierce wrote:And what magnificent info would we get out of D1 from that Whimsical Eggplant lynch, Zach, other than vague wagon analysis?
I haven't said I'm unwilling to hear a replacement out.In post 301, Tierce wrote:Yeah,nada. Because the slot hasn't had the chance to interact with anyone. The game started not 72 hours ago. Settle down.Or at least to pretend I'm willing...
I'm trying to remember if you actually asked me to do this in Khan mafia.In post 301, Tierce wrote:...you only have to meta a couple of games to see that I'm ridiculously obvTown, Zach. Go do that. I'll even tell you that my best scum game ever was my latest one--short as it was--and that it's CES's Doctor Who micro. I'm bleeding Town all over the thread.-
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The basis of my read isn't based entirely on a link. If you flipped town I would still find pjovek scummy.In post 300, fferyllt wrote:
If you lynch me and I flip town, what will that do to your pjovek read?In post 298, Zachrulez wrote:I do think the content of Whimsey's one post is worth lynching for.
But I'd be happy to see ffrey or pjovek lynched as well. Them be my scumreads.-
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One really bad post though. I'm not going to really categorize it as my best lead mostly because I like the idea of lynching the previously mentioned scumreads and I don't really care what order they die in. All this is subject to change based on developments of the game. See disclaimer: This is my position as of these 5 minutes.In post 310, Tierce wrote:
Well of course, lynching scum is better than anything else. But you're telling me that your best lead in a game with 13 pages is a single post by a player who is likely to flake? Come on.In post 306, Zachrulez wrote:
You'll come to find that the allure of what kind of "information" a lynch yields isn't highly valued by me. My priority is to find scummy players and lynch them for it, get scum flip, rinse, repeat, ect.In post 301, Tierce wrote:And what magnificent info would we get out of D1 from that Whimsical Eggplant lynch, Zach, other than vague wagon analysis?
I'm trying to remember if you actually asked me to do this in Khan mafia.In post 301, Tierce wrote:...you only have to meta a couple of games to see that I'm ridiculously obvTown, Zach. Go do that. I'll even tell you that my best scum game ever was my latest one--short as it was--and that it's CES's Doctor Who micro. I'm bleeding Town all over the thread.
I don't really have the time to go into an extensive metagame analysis and I find meta borne from my personal experience to be more powerful and reliable to me anyway.In post 310, Tierce wrote:And checking it just now actually shows I never used the word "meta" in that game.Oops.But yes, I've asked people to go meta me in scum games, because it'd be stupid not to try and mimic behavior I know I have as scum. But honestly, my playstyles are still very far from each other as Town and as scum. I was scum three times in sequence after not being scum sinceNovember. Go look at that stuff, go look at my Town games. There's fresh meta everywhere and there's no reason for you to have any sort of doubt about me because I definitely think I'm one of the most obvious players on the site.-
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I did, and then some subsequent posts and positions from him got me interested again.In post 319, enomis wrote:
Zach remind me. I thought you thought your vote on Pjovek look silly and you lost interest in it?In post 185, Zachrulez wrote:To be fair, my vote on Pjovek is starting to look silly now given how early it was in the game and how much as happened then, coupled with the fact that I've lost some interest in it.-
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My point didn't have anything to do with how much spam he personally did or did not post, or even how much exists in the game.In post 324, fferyllt wrote:Pjovik is not the person with the most posts in the thread. I think the spam complaints are a little overblown.
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I never looked at the signup page much after actually signing up. Now I think I should.In post 334, Tammy wrote:What is weird about him potentially getting replaced though is that in the sign ups he was giving katsuki a bit of a hard time about playing but possibly replacing out. He said he wouldn't barring external circumstances and talked about how he really wanted to play, so him being gone is eh.-
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If you feel this way certainly it makes sense to be voting for one of the two, like right now.In post 399, fferyllt wrote:Put your vote back on me. maybe you can save your scumbuddy.-
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This is an actual argument you're making? Your play sucks because you haven't drawn scum? What the hell man?In post 453, MattP wrote:I completely recognize my play has gone down the shitter. I attribute it to not having drawn scum at all (this bars ongoing game discussion) for like EIGHT months
I don't even remember what scum DO, every time I draw town in a game now I literally curse inside my head and on top of that I am more stressed than ever with work and mcats. I'm not refusing to fight for my life because I'm being immature, I'm rolling my eyes thinking about how dreadful our last game was when you tunneled me and knowing I do NOT have the mental capacity to deal with that shit right now. And that's not being a sore loser, because that on its own is me making a play. If you would like to disregard it or decide its scummy, fine
I have no choice but to keep joining games hoping for scum draws. I'm not going to be a bitch and replace out if I don't get it. But I'm discouraged and stressed and all alone with no friends in Chicago for two damn months working fifteen hours a day
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That's at least the 2nd time you've said that now.In post 457, MattP wrote:
Oh look I'm now officially getting angry so no longer looking at this thread-
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At this point I'm blacklisting him if he flips town. This is just ridiculous.In post 461, Tierce wrote:I don't need that kind of argument, Matt. But you're still focusing on the wrong thing. I'm having trouble seeing that coming from Town with limited time who KNEW this game was going to have harsh deadlines. What's with all the smoke screen instead of being useful where you can?
Zach I'm lynching the hell out of you if he flips Town. Stop trying to make him look worse instead of trying to make him be useful.-
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If he's scum, I really don't care what his mindset is. If he's town I have reason to be upset, hence the reaction.In post 464, Tierce wrote:It is ridiculous, yes. But this Zhar-ptitsa is already :Justice: enough for one game and I am STILL trying to understand his mindset. You're not; you're adding more wood to the fire, and it bothers me.
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This post right here.In post 465, MattP wrote:I'm trying to be useful! I'm trying to get fiery lynched. Why wasn't I useful before that? I was moving to Chicago and starting up my job, today is my fourth day of work
Pedit: why should I be blacklisted?
Means that if you're town you're not taking the game seriously, and that's just bullshit.In post 415, MattP wrote:It wasn't faking anything, I was TROLLING you
I am EXPLICITLY saying it wasn't a fake derp, it's so blatantly fucking obvious I wouldn't mistake "L1" and "L-1" when L1 isn't even a thing since L stands for lynch
I don't give a FUCK if you know my role, that is my role, I was being snarky and fullclaiming for shits, now if you would like to believe that I just fake nameclaimed and roleclaimed then congrats
Saying you're too busy to play is meant to excuse poor activity and contribution, that's a separate point and it's not something I'd blacklist you for. If you're town and it's valid reasoning however, you probably shouldn't have signed up in the first place if you didn't think you'd have sufficient time to play.In post 465, MattP wrote:Pedit2: you just said you're going to blacklist me for doing what you do as scum so you're now an asshole or scum-
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I bring it up because I'm having trouble understanding your mindset. You're arguing from a position of apparent certainty not only in a scumread, but a pairing, but you don't have a vote to back it up. I don't understand that.In post 467, fferyllt wrote:
I won't be chivvied into voting before I'm ready to vote.In post 452, Zachrulez wrote:
If you feel this way certainly it makes sense to be voting for one of the two, like right now.In post 399, fferyllt wrote:Put your vote back on me. maybe you can save your scumbuddy.-
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Oh, I took it at face value. Silly me.In post 477, fferyllt wrote:
I made that comment mostly to draw a reaction. I am not displeased with the ensuing storm tbh. I do have a scum read on Antagon's slot. Matt just confuses me. I thought he looked more townish for it last night. Tierce's comments make sense. But, I dunno. I feel like I should trust my own read.In post 469, Zachrulez wrote:
I bring it up because I'm having trouble understanding your mindset. You're arguing from a position of apparent certainty not only in a scumread, but a pairing, but you don't have a vote to back it up. I don't understand that.In post 467, fferyllt wrote:
I won't be chivvied into voting before I'm ready to vote.In post 452, Zachrulez wrote:
If you feel this way certainly it makes sense to be voting for one of the two, like right now.In post 399, fferyllt wrote:Put your vote back on me. maybe you can save your scumbuddy.
If I'm wrong about Matt and I put Antagon at L-1, then what do you expect Matt will do?-
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Been starting to lean that way, I guess my posting perhaps is betraying that.In post 483, Tierce wrote:
The way you've been treating me.In post 475, Zachrulez wrote:
Where do you get that conclusion?In post 474, Tierce wrote: Zach: when did you decide I am Town?
Still something eating at me about you though. See 473.-
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I am not Sotty.In post 486, Tierce wrote:
Not much. My main thing on you was when you clearly jumped from being interested in just one thing or two to having a more spread focus, which matched with your schedule opening up. I liked it, and I like how promptly it happened, without a lot of fuss about that in specific. You began participating more when I pushed you, and THEN had that. I like that they don't match exactly in time, feels natural as Town response to pressure + Town response to more time to put into the game.In post 473, Zachrulez wrote:Oh and Tierce, how reliably do you think you're able to read me based on meta? The answer to this is important to me.
On meta, not really a lot. The only game I had with you when we were both Town was YOLOville, and I didn't have to worry much since you were confTown after a bit. My doubts are mostly based on Sottynoia, so you can thank her for it. >.>In mafia Sotty is the ultimate evil.
It's just that you expect me to meta you and be able to very clearly read you, but apparently of yourself don't expect the same thing of yourself when metaing people with similar metas. (:P) The question was important for me to pose because Sotty herself can clearly read me but the minute she draws scum she suddenly can't.-
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Yeah I'm not saying I expect you to have a clear meta read on me Tierce, I was just curious as to what you felt your meta knowledge of me was, and lending some perspective that your expectations of my meta knowledge of you might be a little high, especially when compared to your expectations of your own meta knowledge. ^.^-
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Your most recent scum game is at least 8 months old? Not to mention you just deliberately asked to be metaed which just introduces WIFOM to the whole thing.In post 528, MattP wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=16768
Tammy this is a recent town game filled to the brim with AtE
I'm giving you a challenge. Find even a single scum game from me with even 10 AtE posts in it, if you want to use meta-
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Oh and now I've noticed implosion.
A large difference? The difference is in the amount of what is being claimed. My point is that regardless of the level of information being claimed, I see little town benefit from massclaiming partially or fully on day one and see potential scum benefit to having information from any kind of massclaim. (I feel like I'm turning into a broken record.)In post 514, implosion wrote:I read Matt's recent posts. Matt is almost certainly town.
I read Zach's 182 in depth. I don't like it. Some of the points are legitimate rebuttals, but trying to defend the push on pjovek is a bit odd, and calling the difference between pushing for a full or a partial massclaim a "semantic difference" when it is in fact a rather large difference seems to be sidestepping the main point that's being made, which is that his push lacked context.
Yeah I did. So what?In post 514, implosion wrote:As i continue reading his iso, nothing sticks out as particularly townish. He made a specific point earlier that his reads are subject to change, implying that this is important.
You can genuinely believe in a bad argument and be scum, just saying.In post 514, implosion wrote:I feel like he's dismissing a lot of Mattp's posting as scummy when it's just bad play. I use the word dismissing here because I think a lot of his posting on matt feels like he's assuming that matt is scum and then deriving that Matt's play is bad scumplay. i.e., 493. Even not buying that argument does not make Matt scum. Even if his argument is completely wrong, that doesn't mean that Matt doesn't genuinely believe it. A bad argument can still be genuine.
The big elephant in the room with Matt is his vanilla town claim, it just comes out of nowhere, completely unpromted with only one vote on him... so you can't even argue that there were a lot of votes on him to where he could have misconstrued the vote count to believe he was at lynch -1.
Then his reaction to this "realization." It just doesn't ring true to me. It just feels way overacted.
So you have confused the hell out of town scum play on one side vs WTF town on the other, and to me it just makes more sense that it's more likely the former is what's going on. It's not that I'm dismissing town possibilities completely. It's that I find them less likely to be the case here.
By doing things you mean affirming and further justifying your zach suspicion? I mean if you have any other suspects in this game I don't know about them. I just have my eyebrow raised because your play is starting to get to the point where you're determined to find something suspicious in my play and I'm not really sure if you're interested in the game as a whole or if you're just singularly interested in getting me lynched, and if the case of the latter if it's because you think I'm scum (hrrrrrrrrm) or simply because you think you can get me lynched. (I've read a bunch of quicktopics where scum actually bet on this.)In post 514, implosion wrote:HOORAY I DID THINGS
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