Lord Patator Charlixion the 6th: game over

[Oversoul]

Doesn't Josh just hammer things?
I need to policy lynch that but for other reasons

I'd do Empking too considering I can't read him but I can tolerate that

Yes, VOTE: Josh

[Oversoul]

Did you read my post, Empking?

[Oversoul]

I'm not policy lynching Josh for the simple fact of a policy lynch.

I am lynching him because if he does his automatic hammer shtick it will be harmful in more than just the normal way.

If he says he won't do it in this game, I'd be fine going about things normally. But until then, he has to die.

[Oversoul]

I'm not policy lynching Josh for the simple fact of a policy lynch.

I am lynching him because if he does his automatic hammer shtick it will be harmful in more than just the normal way.

If he says he won't do it in this game, I'd be fine going about things normally. But until then, he has to die.

Thay certainty doesn't come through in your first post. I think you're faking.

I mean I left a pretty powerful hint but I was still purposefully vague.

It isn't my fault you don't understand because clearly others did.

[Oversoul]

I wanna be ready to hammer him.

You ass

[Oversoul]

Wait...

Do we all have unknown powers

[Oversoul]

yall can switch your votes from me to matt now.

What does this mean in the grand scheme of things, Kanye?

Arrogance isn't a good look on you.

[Oversoul]

I misinterpreted my role PM. I thought it meant I had to hammer but it doesn't
Still not certain what exactly I need to do to get "sekret powers"

[Oversoul]

Kanye I don't like being ignored and your playstyle confuses the fuck out of me so please help me understand and comment on my question towards you

[Oversoul]

Hmm yes, I did greatly misunderstand my role PM O_o

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KKB

[Oversoul]

Have to check something

But for the moment I like this

VOTE: Mattp

[Oversoul]

From balance perspective wouldn't that make more sense for you and he to be town rather one as scum and the other as town

[Oversoul]

From a balance perspective it would be very dumb if Myko automatically made it so that a 1v1 on D1 mass claim would lead to a scum death even if you both are tellin the truth.

[Oversoul]

What are you referring to

[Oversoul]

I actually think it might be a good idea to mass claim whether or not we have unknown powers

Hoopla why am I suspicious

[Oversoul]

Peregrine probably town

[Oversoul]

Why don't you want to claim whether or not we have unknown powers enough of us have already said we do or hinted at it that any "pr kills" are set for a few nights with or without massclaim

Oh lordly BB that's funny

[Oversoul]

Hoopla,

Why did you say the bolded, below

mykonians last game had mimes, so maybe we are dealing with that again? donno why, but

i had the expectation this was going to be a fairly normalish game, which it obviously isn't.

not ruling out mimes.

When you would immediately know it isn't the case, as you have a hidden power, confirmed here

also confirming triggered powers for voting scum enough.

These two thoughts don't appear to make sense to me.

Also, I was really only pushing a mass claim because I wanted to see what Hoopla's role would be, and whether or not she was taken aback by all the claiming and the like given her earlier expectations.

How many people do we have saying that if their final vote for the day is on scum enough they get powers? 4?

[Oversoul]

Why didn't you bring that up earlier?

[Oversoul]

bring what up?

The fact that you didn't think this game was normal.

I have one more question, although I think I know the answer and can see your thought process - why did you "think" you knew what BB was getting at early in the game, and then later why did you recant that statement?

[Oversoul]

The fact that you didn't think this game was normal.

I have one more question, although I think I know the answer and can see your thought process - why did you "think" you knew what BB was getting at early in the game, and then later why did you recant that statement?

why would i bring that up out of the blue?

when bbmolla was hinting at hidden power on page 1, i assumed he was talking about the same role that i have. when he kept going on about his vote needing to specifically be a hammer i realised his was different. turns out he just can't read.

Hmm ok. I think Hoopla is town.
Funny thing is Hoopla, I misread the PM the same way BBmolla did. I thought I had to be the hammer vote as well which is why I wanted a PL on Josh. I can't read either. >_>

[Oversoul]

turns out he just can't read.

I can read damnit, I wanted to ensure I wasn't left "no voting" at the end of the day, and soft claiming hammerer would achieve that.

Jeez le weez

I guess we didn't have the same thoughts after all
But I legitimately thought I had to be the hammerer based on the role pm

[Oversoul]

Anyone who hasn't after Darthe responds should be killed immediately.

What if they don't come to the thread until after Darthe responds?

[Oversoul]

It is funky that HD made his first post where he was like I WILL KEEP MY ACTIVATION PROTOCOLS SECRET FYI.

That is what I think when I read him in isos.

/drunkpost tho so YMMV

there's a reason for that but it's kinda made useless because everyone else outed there's

see mine is the one where your final vote needs to be on scum, but my thought was that if scum knew that, they'd be able to get a good measure of when I was going to get my power since they know who the scum are.

If all of the "final votes on scum" are on the same wagon, it would surely activate at the same time?
Besides, scum would probably want to kill those people before they got to use their power.

I am ready to play this game as a double day mountainous essentially. The ability talk really distracted us early on and now the game is stagnating because of it.

VOTE: Hd

[Oversoul]

I'm actually going to vote Kanye because I think he's suspicious and he needs a "possible activation" person to be voting him.

Unvote; Vote: Kanye

@Someone who is indecisive: Please vote for HD for me by proxy.

You were already voting him

[Oversoul]

Like you literally just restated what I said in a slightly different way and somehow attributed scum motivation to it? Or is this just "Oh the game is stagnating better vote biggest wagon!"

There ya go big boy!

[Oversoul]

Hmm... didn't quote that correctly.

But it is the last sentence fyi.

[Oversoul]

I haven't really been putting effort into this game.

I should reread it because it is pretty small despite the players in it.

I'll do that sometime tomorrow or something.

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Darthe

There's really no way HD is scum with that claim. I doubt he would claim something as obscure as that is plus I think I might know why he has that role...

[Oversoul]

Why would there be a role that lets you check once during the game how many scum there are

That makes no sense conceptually, I've never heard of it, and it makes you seem like a lucrative choice to leave until Day 2

If you didn't know about it, where the hell did I get it from? I've never heard of the role till this game.

Honestly can't really answer you on why the role exists though. It just

does

, that's all I know.

I think this might be multiscum to be honest or a very large scum team.

Makes sense with the double day and the hidden abilities.

[Oversoul]

Hoopla are you having motivation issues?

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Nero

I don't think this is town Nero honestly. He would be much more active in the game as a whole and producing analysis.

Plus he is posting up a storm in other games but ignoring this one.

[Oversoul]

Hoopla are you having motivation issues?

that's a weird thing to ask when we have pretty much the same amount of posts and i've probably created more content than you.

Hmm not really considering you still haven't done anything.

VOTE: Nero

I don't think this is town Nero honestly. He would be much more active in the game as a whole and producing analysis.

Plus he is posting up a storm in other games but ignoring this one.

yep, that's it. I'm lurking in my other games too so if you are suggesting that I had the foresight to know that I'd replace into this game and roll scum then you are a moron.

But you aren't.

[Oversoul]

You don't appear to be but you know what you are doing so if it is lurking it is lurking.

Which either way, isn't your town meta so I don't understand why you are nitpicking over that detail.
Probably because you are scum.

[Oversoul]

You say that as if it isn't a possibility.
But keep avoiding it, you're only validating my point.

[Oversoul]

It is against site rules to call you scum in this game because you are lurking and lurking isn't your town meta?

Well. I might as well be mod killed for that then.

[Oversoul]

Ummm
Ok

[Oversoul]

I wasn't expecting him to be flippant about it

I even changed my argument to avoid ongoing games after I noticed he was getting pissy about it

:shrug:

[Oversoul]

I am lynching him because if he does his automatic hammer shtick it will be harmful in more than just the normal way.

If he says he won't do it in this game, I'd be fine going about things normally. But until then, he has to die.

os can u link me to some examples of josh pulling this shit? is there an example of him being threatened with being lynched for it and he persisted as town? his complete lack of comment on the policy wagon and its cause and how easily he was moved into avoiding those actions screams scum who doesnt want to eat the policy lynch to me.

I actually can't find any games where he does it. O_o

I remember reading a game where the Vi and Tierce discuss policy lynching him for his play which I was reading for meta on another player.

I think it was Zach's F11 micro.
I thought I was correct about Josh being a hammer gimmick when people voted the wagon along with me who have been active since he came to the site but I guess not.

Kanye are you sure you want to ruin Matt's Balto meet by voting him

[Oversoul]

i wouldn't be opposed to the josh wagon if i don't start seeing some people jump on oversoul.

Why aren't you doing anything to make this happen?

[Oversoul]

os: i thought someone corroborated your story on josh but it looks like that didnt happen. so can i take this to mean you just fabricated the whole thing on josh?

No.

I asked the question about Josh hammering things, voted him because I thought it was true, and then once I saw people with 08 join dates voting along with me I took my question to be verified.

Take that as you will.

[Oversoul]

I could have sworn it was true but when you asked me that question and I looked through his game history it isn't. For clarification, Josh hammering things is Totally untrue

[Oversoul]

Why didn't you answer with a no?
Why do you think I am scum, Mollie?

[Oversoul]

I yearn for the day when people can actually read me.

[Oversoul]

Your scum game has really detoriated, Hoopla. :/
You are out of practice

VOTE: Hoopla

[Oversoul]

i didnt hate the idea of a hooplay wagon til u did that thanks for fucking nothing matt.

You should vote her anyway because I started the wagon and I'm prty good at slumba partiez.



Mollie, what was weird about what I said to Hoopla?
BB, I actually expected you to say that. I don't know why, but I did.

I think that is a sign.

[Oversoul]

That's actually really interesting to note Iec...

Kanye do you remember that scum tell you said about Matt in Fortnight?
Hmm. This could be lynchpin.

[Oversoul]

Josh we didn't hear multiball from you first.

What does that mean to you?

Mollie are you even scumhunting? At least join me on the Hoopla wagon.

[Oversoul]

Josh we didn't hear multiball from you first.

What does that mean to you?

Mollie are you even scumhunting? At least join me on the Hoopla wagon.

I am waiting for someone to answer my questions. pretty hard to fucking scumhunt when you are being ignored! I may sheep for the mere reason that you are at least trying to engage me.

I really wanted you to be town, but I guess all my wishes can't come true.

Well... None of them do because then I wouldn't ever be Lynched.

You are guilty of the same sins as Hoopla, not really doing anything to further a town wincondition.
Why do you need answers for reasons that people are being wagoned to scum hunt? I could understand if you specifically asked someone why they were voting, but you didn't.

I really enjoy watching both of you play too but now you must die. :/

[Oversoul]

eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

Does that matter if you aren't town?

[Oversoul]

FOS: Josh

He seems over-touchy.

I never touched you.

Admittedly, I laughed.

FOS: Josh

He seems over-touchy.

Are you scum?

Who uses an FOS in this day and age?

1. I have a townish read on MattP, but it's one that is highly relational with Kanye. I would currently lynch Kanye before MattP.

How does this make sense?

[Oversoul]

eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

Does that matter if you aren't town?

I am town cos I am not listed in your scummy rols pm

Are you sure?

It lists you in my PM. Are we masons or something?

[Oversoul]

eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

Does that matter if you aren't town?

I am town cos I am not listed in your scummy rols pm

Are you sure?

It lists you in my PM. Are we masons or something?

lol

you are adorable

I'm actually older than I look

[Oversoul]

I'm actually older than I look

be careful overlysoul if you flirt with me I will stalk you

That was a boner kill

Anyway, I think you are going about the Matt read all wrong but I won't stop you since you are actually doing something

[Oversoul]

I think mollie is using a weak reason to go after Matt

You have a more credible basis, Kanye

That's why I still think she is scum, but unlike hoopla, she's at least doing something.

[Oversoul]

I don't have a read on him yet because I don't feel he has given enough content to really be able to read him.

I understand your points against him and your ability to read him, but I'm nt really buying it was a power play where he only had a little bit of time to lynch you.

Have you guys played with one another where the other is scum and was able to trick the other?

I think mollie's read is typical DGB activity red herring that yes, sometimes catches scum, but more often, catches town (see Fortnight)

Mat has been like this for the past 2 months basically

[Oversoul]

Because at the time I thought Matt was bussing and the Fortnight tell would have been accurate

Now I don't really know.

[Oversoul]

It starts off innocuously enough with Oversoul voting for me without much reason. I don't really have a problem with it, but find it mildly ironic that his vote on me appears fairly detached or at least gut-based, which is basically how I have been playing this game. It's essentially voting me in the same manner I've been voting him and others - I don't think he's willfully oblivious to that hypocrisy though. It is weird that he automatically assumes my scumgame is deteriorating rather than my town game. If anything I pride myself more on my scumgame than my towngame, so unless Oversoul wants to drop a Hoopla-meta bomb, I'm going to assume he's just making up beliefs to suit his targets - see also: him using Josh and his hammers to justify an attack there.

Not much apparent reason, yes. You are wrong that I am not willfully oblivious about that fact though. I voted that way since I was trying to mimic you to see if you or anyone else would go after me for it and I could point out that fact. I guess the game is too slow and you are too clever and observant to fall for that though. Although in reality, you can't really go after me for that without hurting your own credibility.

I really don't know how to handle you, Hoopla.

Why would it matter if you pride yourself more on your scumgame than your towngame?

I could I guess drop a "Hoopla-meta bomb" but it would be breaking the rules and it isn't much of a "meta bomb" as you speak. Just apparent playstyle differences.
All I can really point to is your recently finished Little Italy game where you overall appeared to be more active and scumhunting than you do here. I hope this will cause people to take the initiative upon themselves to start looking around, but we will see.

Would you really call my vote on Josh an attack?

I asked a question and no one felt compelled to either confirm or deny its validity. And once both you and Kanye, people who have been around since the time Josh started, voted I assumed I was correct. It wasn't until Kanye actually questioned it that I went back to see if I was right.
Either way, if you think that my actions are scum motivated and "making up beliefs" to "suit his [my] targets" wouldn't that be a sloppy way to play scum? Why even risk that?

This is Hoopla activity I like

[Oversoul]

It doesn't matter to me - I'm pointing out that your conclusion of "Hoopla's scumgame has deteriorated" doesn't make sense, because if anything my town game is weaker, ergo more likely to deteriorate.

By weaker do you mean you don't put in as much effort?

You have a perceived baseline of my town game, of which my play has differed, but what is your baseline of my scum game? If it has differed from that too, why automatically assume that my scumgame is deteriorating, rather than my town game? You're using one-way meta to fit a conclusion, rather than doing it from both directions.

I see your point but I'm not going to argue with you about the nuances of meta.
I've perceived your town play and so far you have not done anything to make me think this is it although you keep making a lot of indirect references to it.

If it bothers you just imagine that I am voting you for gut reasons that I can't really explain.

My advice for the first quote is to avoid basing your read too much on the second quote

Handle doesn't mean read, although I am curious why you thought that it did.
I appreciate the advice at any rate.

You know I can lead towns as scum, so why are you judging me so heavily on activity?

I do? I think you are approaching this as if I have researched your play as both alignments which isn't the case. But that makes sense why you are scumreading me from your point of view.

I don't think you've been scum recently, by recent, I mean within the last 9 months. I don't really tend to go into people's history to try to see their scumgame. Especially someone like you who I consider to be a fluid player.

[Oversoul]

After thinking about it, I guess I did mean read when I said handle, although it wasn't at surface value, but rather your syntax and diction.

[Oversoul]

This is exciting. Things are happening!


Also, Josh here is proof I said it first. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Why would there be a role that lets you check once during the game how many scum there are

That makes no sense conceptually, I've never heard of it, and it makes you seem like a lucrative choice to leave until Day 2

If you didn't know about it, where the hell did I get it from? I've never heard of the role till this game.

Honestly can't really answer you on why the role exists though. It just

does

, that's all I know.

I think this might be multiscum to be honest or a very large scum team.

Makes sense with the double day and the hidden abilities.

[Oversoul]

Chk why did you replace into this game?

[Oversoul]

I think mollie is using a weak reason to go after Matt

You have a more credible basis, Kanye

That's why I still think she is scum, but unlike hoopla, she's at least doing something.

what hell are you even banging on about here os, it is most certainly

not

weak reason. I am not voting matt cos of activity level, I am voting him for the contents of his posts. they do not point to a town wc, as in he is not giving out a lot of reads and is leaving his options open for later mislynches. <----- those are very good reasons.

I guess I just took your analysis of him for face value.
A lot of it seems to stem from the fact that Matt isn't really participating here

[Oversoul]

Mollie I am willing to work with you
Why do you think I am actively trying to ignore you? That offends me on a personal level. If I am ignoring you it isn't on purpose and is a result of my lack of attentiveness

I still have niggling suspicions about Hoops, but her wagon went nowhere and I agree with the suspicions about Iec that she enumerated.
He was quick to come to Matt's defense which is what I found the most intriguing about his play

Josh looks like the only realistic option at this point. And it looks like I'm finally understanding what Sixty meant in that quote I read.

VOTE: josh

[Oversoul]

I was talking about Iec with the Quick defense

[Oversoul]

Ok well lets do this VERY quickly then

VOTE: mothrax

I could have used your support earlier

Now she has entrenched herself among the town and it will be very difficult to actually tell if she is scum or not, let alone with who

PSA: please remove the Creepichu avatar. It looked fine in the original picture but things with completely black eyes tend to be not of this Earth

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Pere

[Oversoul]

How fucking bastard is this shit

[Oversoul]

The lack of engagement by *any* players is getting frustrating. Is there a reason for it that I'm unaware of?

You just don't seem town to me.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Oversoul]

Why would you of all people be vote manipulated?

[Oversoul]

I have a theory and it isn't because the scum are afraid of Chk.
But is it too obvious and that is what the scum want me to think?

To be honest this reeks of an Engineer and there are a few players I'd classify as an Engineer in this game.

[Oversoul]

I'm not revealing anymore of my suspicions until more people have constructively commented on your vote apparently being out of your control.

Sorry.

[Oversoul]

Yay Quil!

[Oversoul]

Pere could you please explain the Hoopla vote?
I'm sorry for asking this but you are giving me the vibes that you are an investigative role of some sort.

[Oversoul]

I think Pere is town.
If he really wants to kill Hoopla, that's okay for me. She's been dead weight for the entire game. Myko, what is the threshold to lynch?

UNVOTE:

Hoopla as traitor really does make sense for her play.
But that seems really weird with HD's role.

[Oversoul]

are you high or something pv? i dont really need another reason to lynch you but i guess sure.

Why are you mislynching him based on a misunderstanding of logic between the two of you?

Pere to answer your question from way back when, I voted you because I didn't think you were really contributing plus I wanted to see how the wagon progressed.

[Oversoul]

Chk, does this mean you believe that Pere is telling the truth about the "recruitment"?
Why are you wanting to kill Pere just for that, in your words, "incompetence" thinking it means a Traitor?

[Oversoul]

I don't think he is scum and I think you all are missing a point about the Kill turning into a Recruitment when the Traitor is targeted. I think that interaction with a Follower/Voyeur is obscure and ambiguous enough to warrant an MD thread, though.

[Oversoul]

I think Pere is town.
If he really wants to kill Hoopla, that's okay for me. She's been dead weight for the entire game. Myko, what is the threshold to lynch?

UNVOTE:

Hoopla as traitor really does make sense for her play.
But that seems really weird with HD's role.

bolding helps to make me catch stuff. With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

Sorry, was a slip of my mind. Thank you!

Yay, I wanted some Thor in my life.

*grabs popcorn as he waits for the inevitable shitstorm between Mollie and Thor*

[Oversoul]

Why, is she whiny scum this game?

No I think she has a scumread on your slot though.
And you know how that goes.

I don't think you should sheep anyone yet until Hoopla comes back and finally does... something. I'm curious to know which role is made better by lurking.

[Oversoul]

@Oversoul - please explain to me how HD's role is weird in this situation (also, lazy Thor asking for another claim to be explained)

HD's role apparently gives the "number of scum" alive. He used it last night and it said 3.
If Hoopla is anything but a mason or cult member, how does a traitor work with that?

2 group scum + 1 traitor doesn't really seem... balanced given the double day.

[Oversoul]

Also a traitor recruitment completely explains the lack of a kill last night. It makes perfect sense

I didn't even think of that...

Hoopla scum becomes even more likely.
I'd prefer not to see her reads because I know it will taint mine and I will lose my edge.

Also, Kanye, I'd wager that you and Matt are both better scumhunters than I am, Fortnight not included.

[Oversoul]

Oh I'm not even voting Hoopla yet.

Whoever has the secret ability activated by hammering on the wagon wish to trade spots with me?

I am hammering at 10 am tomorrow morning.

[Oversoul]

Or at least getting on the wagon so my ability will activate

[Oversoul]

Also, it is at this time that I think we should coordinate who with what hidden abilitiy activation requirements is on what wagon

Actually, anyone on the wagon, I would appreciate it that you unvote now so Hoopla cannot self vote and deprive the town of possible activation.

[Oversoul]

Time to trawl!

Kanye, why did you automatically assume that Hoopla scum means Empking scum?

I don't really believe people when they try a "playstyle" change that is this divergent, especially when they are a power role.

[Oversoul]

I'm trying to look up Hoopla's opinions about vigilantes killing night 1 and the like.
So far I've only found that she doesn't think it is a good idea for PRs (specifically cops) to alter their play to avoid the nightkill as it could out them earlier in the game.

~ In regards to the Cop+Vig scenario specifically, I don't have any super pressing theories - it's strange that it's lower than just vig set-ups, because it's so counter-intuitive to believe cops could have an anti-town effect. The only way it could be argued that cops are bad for towns is based on how they're currently played which is to hang onto information/play scummier than usual to avoid NK's.

Giving the town a different PR which isn't associated with being super powerful might encourage players to claim information if/when they get it, thinking they don't have good odds of getting more, which seems like a better strategy for most powerroles, not just cops. So, I think the poor cop win-rate stems largely from poor use of the role. The playing scummier-than-usual to avoid the NK that cops tend to do, could also obviously be bad in set-ups with increased NK's.

Quil, why would that matter? Wouldn't he say the same thing to everyone?

Thor, I didn't notice that, I just remembered reading Kanye's slew of posts.

[Oversoul]

This whole situation just bothers me.

[Oversoul]

When I got my role, I decided the best way to utilise it was to try and live beyond Night 1, and then shoot from the second night onwards (unless I was very sure of someone being scum N1) so I have decent odds of hitting scum. For the first day I was deliberately playing in a more fluid, in the moment style, as opposed to my usual MO of bombarding of the thread with weighty analysis. This was meant purely to avoid the nightkill N1, so I could influence the game with my role. Admittedly, it was slightly egotistical of me to assume I was a good chance of being NK'ed and I probably overcompensated and erred too far on the lurky side of things. Another motivation was just general curiosity to try a new playstyle.

Hoopla could you explain the above in reference to your answer to me earlier in the game as seen in this quote:

When I think about how I play, my activity seems more influenced by game size, interest and availability rather than alignment.

---

Why wouldn't you be more active? This game has a double day so you'd have MORE chance to influence the game, you are a vig (going into night even if you misvigged the game would still most likely be odd?), and why not just say "I'm trying a new playstyle" when I called you out on it?

Things just aren't meshing.

Also, why do you have Emp as a scum lean?

[Oversoul]

Also, I'm offended that I wasn't neighborized since I have a pretty good talent at discerning alignments in them.
Although I don't know how offended I should be since it is Empking and I can't really read him for shit either way...

[Oversoul]

i'm pretty sure i did at one point

Erm?

Did I miss it?
Could you find it for me?

[Oversoul]

Bah... I think Hoopla is town

[Oversoul]

I don't know if she would be willing to drag out this elaborate claim over several weeks.
Plus she can confirm her power tonight. My only peeve is that we have to go through two more lynches in order to get to that point.

[Oversoul]

I won't even get into the question of why you would bother to do that in a double lynch day when her PR sort of hinges on her getting some decent reads - but let's just go back to the core question.

You're saying scum Hoopla wouldn't fake being a PR via underplay/use that as an excuse for underplay?

Ya... I had that same thought. It didn't really make sense to me either.

I don't think Hoopla is the type of person to try a different style of play and then fake being a PR like that. I thought she just pulled the "different play style thing out of her ass" but she didn't. I'm just really iffy on everything right now. I should have just hammered her last night and saved everyone the hassle.

Either way, I am waiting for Matt to get back before I do anything

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I'm confused?

Matt I would have liked to been on that wagon for my activation.

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Oh my fucking god

I just fucking FINISHED mainstream with zombies

Matt you are a bastard seeing as how I did the bulk of catching hoopla ... If she was even scum to begin with? I don't even fucking no.

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VOTE: Iec
Lmfao, Emp that was a cheeky response in the qt

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Millie probably scum too

Mattp I mean I thought you made that comment because you are ascetic but apparently not? Hd likely town
Nice to know where your thought process is though

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Forgot a bit about a couple of things...

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Nope Matt you can lynch because I'm bitter about you stealing a spot on the wagon so have fun with that
Taking my wagon and then turning around being like holy shit OS scum. Yup lemme tell you

Nope.

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Like seriously Matt I don't know even know why you think

Just so everyone knows I will replace out of this game before I am mislynched again so have fun with that

Josh Lyman? I thought I needed to be last vote on a wagon, which is why I wanted to kill Josh because I thought he had a thing for just hammering anyone ever but I was wrong. He is just bad

Then I realized that I didn't need to be hammer just that my last vote be on scum

But go ahead, push this wagon, take my hoopla wagon, I'll replace out

Pedit: Kanye, I mean I was pretty much the only one really pushing her yesterday
Also this role stuff was cleared up a long time ago I don't know why it is suddenly a factor

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Like seriously I paid my fucking penance in fortnight

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1) You having to hammer scum and you pushing a PL have nothing to do with each other
2) You didn't even hammer, you just were a vote on the wagon, so your story doesn't add up at all

In order to get a hammer I have to kill the thing that steals hammer?
I realize that but other people also expressed the need to be hammer (bb) and some general confusion about the role lead me to bleieve that there were even more, we only have 2 hammers in a day and I just wanted Josh lynched because of that

but yes, keep thinking this is the right track and then weep when my replace out makes you cry some more

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If you are antitown and are using replacement threatening as a way to dissuade your wagon I will not be playing games with you in the future because that's plain ridiculous.

People just don't grok me
like at all

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I answered it already

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but anyway people should vote iecrint cause he's done like literal nothing and he at least does stuff as town

see mainstream mafia

but matt if you think I scumslipped well then I don't know what to tell you because that is probably the last thing i've done as scum
I mean A Feast for Crows I "scumslipped" or so said all the yappy people who thought they knew a lot, when actually I misread my Pm and it was just a total clusterfuck that caused like 2 mislynches.

pedit:
I don't want to go back to that past

@mollie probably
pedit 2: yes I know that although I don't believe it. I just think people are lazy in trying to really deduce what I'm thinking

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Quil is probably town for the record

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Chk as scum is also possible

but matt you will die regardless >_>

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then mislynch me now when I am okay with it befor eI get more invested

I don't know if I have actually followed through with a threat like that since a very long time ago that I will never speak of again but yes I see your point

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Iec is a main scumread right now

yes but day 1 and 2 I remember him being instrumental in the lynches of both scum members which reminds me

Chkflip, why was Maenara forced replaced in that game?

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wait you have a scum read on chik

I have a couple of scumreads right now, but I mainly want Iec. Once more people are back I'll continue.
If you mean the bolded, I just want to know why Mae was replaced.

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Oh look, another Mollie and Thor pissing contest. Entirely not surprising.

Mollie are you really voting Thor because he used the word "if" in that sentence?

Mollie, Chainsaw defense is like so...
Person A is attacking Person B
Person C attacks person A thus defending Person B

Basically, attacking the attacker of the other person to indirectly defend the "other person".
Thor if I can translate that sentence I want you to sheep me on Iec.

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I think she was trying to say she was watching you to see how you developed your thoughts about the game and how you should progress from there.
Either that or I just had a minor stroke.

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What are the holes in my configuration?

Stop asking questions and just sheep me.

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In seriousness, I don't know.

I'm more surprised you didn't call Mollie out on the fact that she asked if her garble statement made sense and then she gets super defensive about you trying to get a better understanding of it.

That was lel worthy.

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Huh... didn't realize the chainsaw defense was specific to scum. I just thought it was a general term.

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Why is the self vote throwing people into confusion?

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VOTE: Chkflip

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Is this a last ditch attempt to take someone down before you're subsequently lynched? Because this is exactly what it looks like. I am not scum or part of a cult. Sidenote: if this is a cult game, I'm seriously going to replace out. Cult games have to be advertised. If you have role related info on me, claim it, so I can prove you wrong. Don't pussyfoot around with implications.

Honestly, I wonder if Hoopla tying Empking to herself was her way of saying Screw You to the mod if this is a cult of zombies.
Otherwise, she could just be a traitor and is trying to go balls to the wall with WIFOM.

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Wait ok but you think he's scummy right?

Lol why didn't you expect that?
Yes, I said that earlier in the day. I think I was talking to you actually. Do you not remember?

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Why was Maenara forced replaced?

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V/LA for a couple of days

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Thor what if I hammer Empking tomorrow morning?

How mad would you be?

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You think it needs to happen because he is a distraction, but think he is town?

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I just want him dead because he's useless for the rest of the game
His role does'nt have a use anymore and well... he's empking. not the most useful player

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Do you think he's scum?

Eh... It's hard for me to say.
I really don't think that Hoopla would out her recruiter like that because it is suboptimal (Emp) would get one more night and then die first lunch Day 3 at the latest. But she is also the one who told her teammates in White Flag to bus so There's that to consider.

I think Emp is going to be a distraction from now on so it is mostly a utility lynch.

VOTE: emp
Chk, did something rustle your jimmies?

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Talking down to Empking doesn't work. He plays the way he plays and everyone else plays the way they play.
I mainly want I get rid of Emp now rather than later because I fear he will be a mislynch at a more crucial point in the game

My gut lies here though... Such a stark contrast to his play in Mainstream
VOTE: Iecrint

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I think we should lynch Iecrint because he hasn't really been doing anything.

I mean he is posting, that much is true, but I generally cannot discern his suspects from those posts. Thor I don't understand why you aren't joining this counter wagon. I thought you liked counter wagons.

Do you have a town read on Iec?

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I am fucking tired of this game.

I am hammering Empking after I have a shower and take care of a couple of other chores.

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Sarcasm?

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Final thoughts because I think this day has achieved its maximum productivity and fear it will just deteriorate into infighting.

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Who Unvoted since the last vote count? I don't see it/can't find it on mg phone.

I'm not voting for town, Matt? If you think that join me on Iec. By all means my preferred lynch.

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Chk*

You and Matt have too similar colored avatars

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Oh you ass, Myko. Miss counting on the previous vote count.

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So now that it's not a hammer why not move and allow other people to sort out their gak?

I don't understand what you are trying to tell me here.
I am probably going to vote Empking to set-up for the hammer soon, but I don't understand what this most recent post by you means.

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So now that it's not a hammer why not move and allow other people to sort out their gak?

I don't understand what you are trying to tell me here.
I am probably going to vote Empking to set-up for the hammer soon, but I don't understand what this most recent post by you means.

You were going to hammer him because you wanted the day to end.
You were going to do so within a certain number of hours.
Now...you don't want to vote him...because...?

No, I thought you were asking for more time or something and I wanted an answer from Chk.
VOTE: Empking

My vote is more important on the people we are going to flip anyway since I can't be the "pseudocop" as easily as some other players. :\

@myko, I know, I was just messing.

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What was suspicious AP about my interaction with Hoopla

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Why are you always getting into fights Thor

Won't have Internet until tomorrow. I dot have access to a computer or stable Internet on my phone

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internet messed up still
tomorrow the internet company checks on things but I won't be able to get to it until tomorrow night anyway. Today was my only day off

Enjoy

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OS, I want to hear exactly what you did last night.

As in night actions?

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No, as in what movie you watched.
Are you seriously asking that?

Is he seriously asking that?

I did watch a movie last night... like 4 of them.

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I'm not playing dumb. I'm more astounded at the fact that AP would even ask such a question at this time. I thought he was a better player than this.

If he is a PR he outted himself essentially because he did not mask his intentions with a L-1 claim, if he isn't a PR he is straight up rolefishing, he still has very crappy reasoning for even suspecting me. All I've seen so far are... vibes.

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This is a scumpost.

Town isn't thinking about L - 1 claims in this scenario as thats totally irrelevant. Hes just trying to appeal to good policy to appear protown.

Instead of asking me about motives for possibly targeting him when I have stronger scumspects, I 'still' have crappy reason for suspeting him despite thinking he was lightly townish yesterday relative to other people.

His entire attitude reeks of "Ugh, I got caught for shitty reasons" and his refusal to take a meaningful stance on my push on him is because hes leaving option open down the line.

Why would I need to ask you about your motives for targetting me when you were howling for my lynch yesterday? It seemed fairly clear that you at least suspected me. What exactly did you want me to ask you that wasn't already answerable?

Where was I caught? You've literally said nothing of credibility about suspecting me other than feeling strange about my posts.
Iec is approaching coherence by at least referencing Hoopla but even then it is wrong headed since I was the one who was calling Hoopla out for the majority of Day 1.
If you think I am scum with Hoopla you're a damned fool. If you think I am scum period you're a fool.

Iec, were you not the one who said that Hoopla's interactions with me were the ones that were fishy, not the other way around? Or have you changed your mind on that?

re: Thor, if you had seen my face when AP asked that question it would be a different story. My thought process was literally "Is this guy fucking serious?".

I could do a Chk wagon too.

Also, please remind me why you were ever voting Quilford?

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I think I can read BBmolla pretty well. Sometimes he makes himself policy material, which is a shame because I think his play style is fairly clear.

I stand corrected, AP. The days in this game have really just melded together.

Anyways, VOTE: Iec

Seems like a pretty good candiate.

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@AP - Why?

@Oversoul - what does BBmolla readability for you have to do with voting Iec?

Nothing that's why they are on separate lines and there aren't any conjunctions or "flow" words linking the two lines together.
Are you sure you're a logophile?

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AP and OS I mean

I think Iec and Chk are probably scum based on their play.
I think AP might also be scum for that stunt he tried to pull in that he had information about my role, which he has conveniently dropped. I think that is more likely to come from APscum than from APtown because I think APscum is a Mastinite, meaning they like to do batshit stuff as scum.

If we are going along with the cult theory I think HD is a likely candidate. He fell off the face of the Earth it seems after getting run up to a claim.

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I'll look forward to seeing the Oversoul case at some point.

Me too, Thor.
Me too.

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Nothing that's why they are on separate lines and there aren't any conjunctions or "flow" words linking the two lines together.
Are you sure you're a logophile?

Why mention it then?

Does a voting post need to be only about the vote, Thor?

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AP, hoopla is a master at creating connections so that her death is not wasted.

@everyone thinking I am scum, you are all mentally challenged.

AP, if I really really thought you were scum I would vote you. Where is my vote currently?

Thor, why does it matter if the line is in there? Do you need some other action of mine to comment on without visibly trying to ascertain my alignment?

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Thor, why does it matter if the line is in there? Do you need some other action of mine to comment on without visibly trying to ascertain my alignment?

I just thought you could explain why you included it.
Can you not? You're allowed to say that, I suppose.

I can answer, I just don't see how it at all helps you get a read on me.

I can't tell if something is cooking under your beard or not...

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I could dig a Kanye wagon, actually.

VOTE: Chk

Iec, why am I scummy?

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So stop dodging, answer, and find out. You've been dodging for a long, long while now. Why? <-- answer that too.

That wasn't dodging. If it was, I'd give a crappy reason that would be ambiguous instead of calling you out on, bringing more attention to myself, defeating the point of the word ... Dodge.

Why did I include it? To calm yourself about BB being scum. Since it didn't sound like you have a good grasp of his style, and I consider myself to have a decent grasp on it. It was to help you figure out your feelings about BB.

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Oh my god mollie you are finally speaking coherently and succinctly enough for me to agree with you

Iec, I just wanted to make sure there was no new information or revelations on your part. I really think you are being lazy with your vote and as a result, lazily scum hunting. I think because of that you are probably scum. Thank you for reaffirming my belief.

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Do you think his (lack of) activity extends to just this game?

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I thought I called him town there.

It was classic BB town literally right before I posted that Iec vote.

Pedit: just wow...

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I laughed heartily at that sequence of events, Thor. I could see the little cogs start spinning.

But yes, I thought I had called him town. And you didn't ask me what I thought about BBmolla. You asked why I put my comment about BBmolla on a post with a vote for Iec. There's a difference.

Mollie who is that comment meant to refer to?

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I'm just not going to say anything because a lot of these posts seem like heated bickering and I've still yet to get a response/case from PerV/molla/oversoul.

Annoying isn't it?

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1 - Huge gaps in posting without any regard to give opinion on events in which he missed.
2 - Didn't vote on the Hoopla wagon when it was pushed to lynch; voted previously to that, then "read" her as "town."
3 - Asking uninformative, worthless questions on more than one occasion.

I could continue, but these are my main points.

1. This game is boring. Forgive me for not commenting on the multiple pissing contests between players.
2. You're ignoring the context completely. My reasoning for all of that should be obvious but in case it isn't I will explain again. I voted Hoopla for her activity issues with her play. I had just seen her be more active as town and lead a scum lynch in a Mini Normal. She retorted with the appeal of the game being the reason she was inactive. I let her have her space to see if her activity would change. It never did. I was waiting on Hoopla to become active when Pere said he had a result on her. People piled onto Hoopla's wagon. I unvoted in order to try and coordinate our secret abilities to gain the most out of Hoopla's lynch. MattP then stole the hammer for selfish reasons. I read Hoopla as town for her claim with Empking. If it was a cult, I did not think that Hoopla would be that ballsy to do that. It is for the activity reasons and Empking's flip that I think Hoopla was a legacy scum, but I can't be sure.

You have got me thinking about Matt's actions yesterDay. I'll need to go back and look at those.

No reply to my case? Nice OMGUS vote, bro.

Is OMGUS a scumtell now?

Why am I voting you Chkflip? Bear with me.

1. I don't think you're actually scumhunting. You're voting sure, but you don't really seem to be following up on your questions and you're throwing out A LOT of questions.
2. You apparently do not care where your vote is which is readily apparent when you mistake unvoting one player when you were voting a different player.
3. Your votes have been on wagons and have literally no oomph. For a player with his winrate in his signature I'd think that you take this game very seriously and would at least try but right now your vote by itself seems to hold no weight at all. That bothers me.

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Yo, Ven

Is this for real a cult game?

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Dram, are you scum?

A theory I've been musing over is why MattP would take the hammer from me when I requested we coordinate the composition of the Hoopla wagon. He stated that if this was a cult game he would replace out, but then greedily takes the hammer for his secret power because it is more likely that he will gain one. I don't know if he would have been that shortsighted to ignore potentially bad replacements.

I did find a lot of what he did to be town though...

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What the heck was that pissing match all about?

And you fucks are just going to deadline lynch me like the jerks in Raptured.

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Oh hey Thor
Your reasoning for voting me is pretty dumb considering all that you've said about my play in the past and in other games

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Oh hey Thor
Your reasoning for voting me is pretty dumb considering all that you've said about my play in the past and in other games

And yet I still can't get you lynched.

Heh?

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VOTE: perev

You all are still jerks for deadline lynching me

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can the other players who are dead and possibly have access to a dead qt send me the link in a pm? thanks

Bah?

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Good job lynching the ascetic Matt made obvtown.

Called Nero out on his bs and he leaves the game because he backs himself into an unexplainable situation.
Called Hoopla out.

What was the reason I even got lynched?

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Called Nero out on his bs and he leaves the game because he backs himself into an unexplainable situation.

Except that I wasn't lurking so you just got lucky that I had a scum pm.

You were lurking. Your activity here was vastly different from other ongoing games. That's a fact.

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I wouldn't have joined if this was advertised as a cult.