Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[MattP]

VOTE: Tierce

I'm a town lover and she's a scum lover

\o|o|o/

[MattP]

Battery-Powered Deadlines. Deadlines in this game (outside Apocalypse) are measured via a meter that starts at 100% and counts down each real-time day by a varying amount. The amount is based on true activity.

^Zdenek your plan is a double-edged sword

[MattP]

People can post and say game relevant things without spamming the thread. There's also the comment about "true activity;" I don't know exactly how to take it, but presumably it means that we couldn't spam the thread in order to prolong deadlines.

So discourage spam but don't discourage post content in general?

[MattP]

VOTE: mattp

You have 5 pages to town tell...go!

That's contingent on there being a dumbass in the game

[MattP]

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

You're lying

You didn't actually come to that conclusion

Would you like to stop lying now or should this be a power lynch? [:

[MattP]

Syryana protip you should stop wasting your time with Tammy

[MattP]

VOTE: fferylit

He should be at L-2 right now for lying. If ffery doesn't want to change his story I can go on

[MattP]

your jedi mind tricks won't work on me, MattP.

I have

never

seen aloof deflection from caught scum before, this is novel I'm bubbles inside because of this right now

[MattP]

@whimsical: You recalled mattp saying releasing flavour is a bad idea in your scum pregame qt?

lolwut explain how you arrived at me being scum

[MattP]

Zdenek and Tammy are Town. I want to say Syryana is Town too, though the complaint about people using self-meta is silly. Then he goes and posts Post 56 and I forgive everything.

Why did you even post this?

[MattP]

Pedit2: Yep, Matt is scum too. This game gonna be EZ

You're very bad at this

I suggest you replace out and let Amrun take your spot

[MattP]

Doesn't it burn you in your soul to be caught by someone so terrible

Sure, we can call it that [:

[MattP]

1) Im happy you're townreading people but don't set a precedent for stupidity, syryana respects you a lot and if you keep doing that he may start making reads lists

2) If I told you how he scumslipped that would ruin the fun! I'd rather let ffery continue to attempt to waltz through a checkmate!

[MattP]

Skimmed, didn't bother reading it in depth. Doesn't matter since I already had him down as scum.

Don't really care to state my thoughts on matt. Not to you at least.

You were the one that died in First Time and then used your PR to vote me the remainder of the game when I was obvtown, right?

[:

[MattP]

Ffery is explicitly ignoring the pressure on him because you're all letting him

[MattP]

Something

nothing happened between those two vote counts. 4% battery drain.

Was that even a serious post? Is that actually supposed to look like content from you?

[MattP]

Hi work

[MattP]

Oh yayaayayaya now I dont have to try

VOTE: Antagon

[MattP]

Hey MattP
Why jump off fferyllt now and onto the easiest lynch in the game? Shape it up.

Oh god

Bad logic

My eyes

[MattP]

There's no bad logic there. You're trying to dodge me, Matt. Please explain your reasoning.

You're saying it's an "easy" vote as if "easy" and "scummy" are mutually exclusive

I don't like this logic, you know it sucks and you know I wouldn't go for an easy vote like that

Ffery didn't build steam and it was a scare tactic based on a fairly reasonable scummy post from ffery

Since I'm at L-1 I'm going to claim now. I'm a VT, my name is Rosalina, from Mario

[MattP]

Matt is being fake. You should vote him.

Listen to this girl she's an alcoholic

[MattP]

If you're going to hammer just do it

[MattP]

Oh FUCK

FUCK FUCK FUCK

I thought that one vote one me (L1) was the same thing as (L-1)

[MattP]

Lawl

[MattP]

What does "fake" even mean? Is that a slang term

[MattP]

That was bullshit. Like you would never see a wagon coming and think you are at L-1.

UNVOTE: fferyllt
VOTE: MattP

Syryana, with us.

Holy shit wtf

[MattP]

You guys have big poles in your butts, Christ

[MattP]

I have a stupidity quotient for the day which is very small

[MattP]

Fortunately, I have a high threshold for people accusing me of being stupid on the internet.

So, Matt, what are your reads? Hmmm?

Also, first off, you can answer me this...

Syryana protip you should stop wasting your time with Tammy

Why did you intervene in the Syry/me dance early game?

Because I knew you were town from Marketplace?

You do know that my claim was a troll, right? Because I'm pretty sure that was completely transparent

I don't feel like giving reads ty

[MattP]

Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?

^scumpost^

[MattP]

In fact what he said:

1) Literally doesn't make any sense logically
2) Is fence sitting since he's not voting me
3) Is an opinion phrased as a question towards the audience to feign scumhunting and further push a mislynch

pedit: ???

[MattP]

Oh I'm sorry I thought I was voting you

VOTE: ffery

Do you feel better now?

[MattP]

Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?

I was ON Whimsical Eggplant when I did this, your logic insinuates that I was trying to absorb the lynch on my scumbuddy who I was voting to protect a PR

What the fuck does that even mean

[MattP]

I am not a he.

When I am ready to vote again I will vote.

speaking of pushing a mislynch, where's that case you never made?

ITT ffery ignores the shit post he just made to ask a stupid question

[MattP]

In post 396, fferyllt wrote:
Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?

^scumpost^

I thought you and antagon were the same person when I posted this

But you shouldn't take that to be true because that would ruin your shit, illogical excuse for me being scum

[MattP]

Yeah, nobody's ever heard of distancing.

So I just want to get your theory straight for the books

MattP knows Antagon is a scum PR and wants to protect him but at the same time distance so within 3 posts he votes Antagon with a mundane post that isn't inherently scummy, then decides within minutes to fakeclaim in response to Tierce and troll her and act scummy to move the wagon over to myself, and then within the same page jumps off of Antagon back onto you immediately which defeats the point of distancing and in fact would draw us together even more

Is that the story?

[MattP]

Question of the day:

Would any rational town player naturally come up with this theory?

[MattP]

What does that have to do with anything

[MattP]

Are you going to just completely blow off ffery's posts pls let me know ASAP if I should go study instead of waiting here to deal with denseness

[MattP]

It wasn't faking anything, I was TROLLING you

I am EXPLICITLY saying it wasn't a fake derp, it's so blatantly fucking obvious I wouldn't mistake "L1" and "L-1" when L1 isn't even a thing since L stands for lynch

I don't give a FUCK if you know my role, that is my role, I was being snarky and fullclaiming for shits, now if you would like to believe that I just fake nameclaimed and roleclaimed then congrats

[MattP]

The troll was me acting confused about how lynches work

If you think that I did that for towncred then fine but stop being moronic

[MattP]

I have a VERY SMALL sense of patience for stupidity

I am TRYING MY BEST to be patient with you only because you're unfortunately town

Please be civil by using your brain

[MattP]

Ok, so this was a genuine reaction, I think. All that capslock was bullshit.

Lolwut? So I'm genuine town but lying at the same time?

[MattP]

):

This whole page

[MattP]

I don't shell out reads if I don't need to, and you pressing me to won't change that

[MattP]

Yeah you're scum and should hang.

Would you like meta proof? Because you're very blatantly tunneling

[MattP]

I wanted pressure on ffery so I tried to stop distractions

I'm not giving reads, sorry

[MattP]

I believe this conversation is over

[MattP]

Sorry my game sucks now

[MattP]

Nope that's my role

To preserve my sanity I'll be ignoring this thread

[MattP]

Also mental note made to never play in a game with tierce again

[MattP]

And before you say this isn't my general level of interest, I have a full time job and the mcats in two months. I work from 9 to five and ten study until 12am

I don't have the time to get upset about an especially stupid push on me. Maybe you should reevaluate the actual usefulness of meta arguments in the future since they fail you so consistently tierce.

[MattP]

I completely recognize my play has gone down the shitter. I attribute it to not having drawn scum at all (this bars ongoing game discussion) for like EIGHT months

I don't even remember what scum DO, every time I draw town in a game now I literally curse inside my head and on top of that I am more stressed than ever with work and mcats. I'm not refusing to fight for my life because I'm being immature, I'm rolling my eyes thinking about how dreadful our last game was when you tunneled me and knowing I do NOT have the mental capacity to deal with that shit right now. And that's not being a sore loser, because that on its own is me making a play. If you would like to disregard it or decide its scummy, fine

I have no choice but to keep joining games hoping for scum draws. I'm not going to be a bitch and replace out if I don't get it. But I'm discouraged and stressed and all alone with no friends in Chicago for two damn months working fifteen hours a day

So no I will not redo War is hell with you, especially when in my opinion you can be incredibly tunnely and dense

[MattP]

*slams head on desk*

Pedit: you're the other scum correct?

[MattP]

I haven't played scum in so long how the fuck am I supposed to remember how scum plays?

I can find fucking logs of me saying this within the past month in mafia chat of you want to be cartoonishly antagonist

Oh look I'm now officially getting angry so no longer looking at this thread

[MattP]

Literally this shit upsets me to the point that it effects my work

I don't have the time to be upset about this shit, I'm not being a bad sport, I find it impossible to detach myself from games

[MattP]

How does saying it more than once make it scummy or worth pointing out

[MattP]

I'm trying to be useful! I'm trying to get fiery lynched. Why wasn't I useful before that? I was moving to Chicago and starting up my job, today is my fourth day of work

Pedit: why should I be blacklisted?

Pedit2: you just said you're going to blacklist me for doing what you do as scum so you're now an asshole or scum

[MattP]

I had sufficient time to play if I had not been tunneled and it's not a time in thread thing its a "how this will effect me and my other time" thing

I would never say "I won't join this game because if all goes wrong I'll be a wreck and will fail my MCAT" because that doesn't cross my mind

And I OBVIOUSLY even if expressing frustration am still not giving up or why the fuck am i still posting? So your blacklist reasoning is nonsensical even if I was frustrated and said that it has NO reflection on what I post following it

[MattP]

I am not going to elaborate on my claim reasoning

Pedit: I showed explicit reasoning for my ffery vote when I revoted her

If that's not enough then I have no idea how you scum hunt

[MattP]

No tierce, I'm saying I forgot how to READ scum, not that I forgot how to PUSH scum so when I draw town again and again and again I already know my play will be bad and go in feeling discouraged

[MattP]

And you're acting like me pushing ffery with little reason doesn't work coming out of rvs but I do that all the time in town games and it does work

[MattP]

I'll make a long post when I get home tierce

As for the claim I would prefer to not continue discussing it. You don't need to currently understand my pov with that.

[MattP]

Meta is dumb if a player has been on site for at least a year, people aren't machines and once they're confident enough to play scum without shitting themselves they will be temperamental and they will change from one game to another

[MattP]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=16768

Tammy this is a recent town game filled to the brim with AtE

I'm giving you a challenge. Find even a single scum game from me with even 10 AtE posts in it, if you want to use meta

[MattP]

YOU just used meta, "Matt would do this as scum" so I'm using your own words and showing you they're wrong

Seriously?

[MattP]

if you want to use meta

[MattP]

Matt is perfectly capable of faking that amount of AtE as scum.

[MattP]

It'll be very funny if you end up being scum

[MattP]

Babe I think you're town

I'll just very much hate you endgame and probably laugh simultaneously

[MattP]

Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?

^scumpost^

In fact what he said:

1) Literally doesn't make any sense logically
2) Is fence sitting since he's not voting me
3) Is an opinion phrased as a question towards the audience to feign scumhunting and further push a mislynch

pedit: ???

Oh I'm sorry I thought I was voting you

VOTE: ffery

Do you feel better now?

Re Matt, what's the odds that he's trying to save a powerful scum role with this performance?

I was ON Whimsical Eggplant when I did this, your logic insinuates that I was trying to absorb the lynch on my scumbuddy who I was voting to protect a PR

What the fuck does that even mean

Yeah, nobody's ever heard of distancing.

So I just want to get your theory straight for the books

MattP knows Antagon is a scum PR and wants to protect him but at the same time distance so within 3 posts he votes Antagon with a mundane post that isn't inherently scummy, then decides within minutes to fakeclaim in response to Tierce and troll her and act scummy to move the wagon over to myself, and then within the same page jumps off of Antagon back onto you immediately which defeats the point of distancing and in fact would draw us together even more

Is that the story?

Question of the day:

Would any rational town player naturally come up with this theory?

VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

THIS IS WHERE YOU CAME IN

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Fortunately, I have a high threshold for people accusing me of being stupid on the internet.

So, Matt, what are your reads? Hmmm?

Also, first off, you can answer me this...

Syryana protip you should stop wasting your time with Tammy

Why did you intervene in the Syry/me dance early game?

Because I knew you were town from Marketplace?

You do know that my claim was a troll, right? Because I'm pretty sure that was completely transparent

I don't feel like giving reads ty

Of course it was obvious that I was town, but you didn't take the opportunity to use that to gain reads on anyone else? Did that help you with a read on Syryana at least?

You have to do better than that, Matt.

I think you're claim was you pretty transparently trying to fake a derp town tell, but that might just be me. Ask your scum buddies how transparent that was.

Are you going to just completely blow off ffery's posts pls let me know ASAP if I should go study instead of waiting here to deal with denseness

if you'd read the thread you'd know that I don't agree with the ffery wagon.

_______________

I

tried

to have you look at ffery, and I posted plenty of posts, quoted above, that led up in a page's time into a case. You didn't respond to ANYTHING I said, because you thought I was scum and thought ffery was town. Sure, I've been a semi arrogant prick, but I did reach out to you, and I did make a case, and I was ignored.

The reason I pushed ffery initially was because of this:

I've been thinking about that newbie game. I assume pjo gambits no matter what alignment he is.

and this:

I haven't seen his scum game.

So why do you think that he gambits as either alignment?

I was asking mrbungles because they've played together elsewhere.

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

I don't believe that this was a natural thought process. It just doesn't make sense as a scumhunting thought process. But I didn't have any intention of just calling ffery out because:

1) I like reaction tests
2) people sheep me a lot. Or at least used to

So I tried applying pressure without telling why I was on edge, and I wanted to see if I could get a scumslip out of ffery. I do this as town all the time, yadayada.

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And what was your reasoning for the Antagon vote?

Antagon was literally that his posts were incredibly tonally scummy. Would you like me to try to dig up specifics? I mean, when you see a tonally scummy post you just think, "this post is scummy". It wasn't a scummy SPECIFIC ACTION, that is

[MattP]

FOR THE RECORD I am totally ok having conversation like this, even if you think I'm scum

I have "emotional time" to have discussion like this

[MattP]

I start to get upset when I feel like everything I'm saying is antagonized and that nothing I try to do will help at all

Then I feel hopeless and it affects my other time

Like even if at the end you say "I think you're still scum after giving what you said some thought" I'd be OK, I just want to feel like I'm not talking to a wall

[MattP]

Also honestly I was just being a dick when I claimed because I thought it would make me look town to you and put me in control

And then the opposite happened and I tried to assert authority

And then Tierce voted me and I was flabbergasted

And then I went into War is Hell phase and started getting upset

[MattP]

I didn't really care because I fakeclaim so often as town I knew scum wouldn't believe it but it would lock me into a claim which is town at the same time so would help me assert myself as town.

[MattP]

I was

[MattP]

What would be my scum motivation for claiming vt

I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

[MattP]

Saying its total bullshit is bullshit. Just because you don't agree with my thought process doesn't make it scumtent

[MattP]

Matt - why did you say you haven't been scum for eight months? Are you forgetting replacing into streetcars as scum and then promptly replacing out 6 days later?

Are you saying that me not remembering the exact amount of time since I was last scummy is scummy?

So it was five months. Streetcar I replaced out of right away so it was barely a "scum experience", and gay mafia was a hydra with kanye that I was disappointed about and lurked the whole way through with no effort (and you can confirm this by looking through the hydra posts)

The point I'm making is that I haven't had a real scum game where I was being active and contributing in in a

long

time, and pointing out that both of my most recent scumgames I was incapable of playing with this level of activity and behavior would only point towards me being incapable of playing like this as scum if anything. In fact, I've only been AtEy, once EVER in a scumgame that I can remember (I dont count heterosexual because there I was just being stale and plain angry whereas here I'm being more 3-d in my emotions which hopefully you'd be willing to admit) was Vanger Mafia, and that was for like a small moment on the second-to-last day. Besides that my only other decent game as scum ever was Barkley in my opinion, and there I was not at all emotional when pressure was on me like I am here.

You keep saying I can do this as scum with no problem, but I never have, and I actually don't think I can get myself as upset as I got at one point in this game (or war is hell) even if faking. I'm not saying that me being emotional is the only way I'd ever respond as town to pressure, I'm saying that if I do respond this way to pressure as town, it probably means I'm stressed already irl (see posh mafia, war is hell, and this) and I am not at a level of normalcy where I can just respond rationally to pressure as town. I generally immediately lash out because I'm already upset and then get even more upset when it shoots me in the foot.

Yeah, I'm using meta, sue me, it's self meta though and I know how I am as a player

You also still aren't trying to start dialogue with me about ffery, and it's bothering me. If you've failed to notice, ffery is not at all responding to my thoughts on him/her/whatever and it's specifically because he knows noone currently cares much about my opinion. I don't know why you are so keen to write him off as town for early game behavior and not reevaluate given his current play

[MattP]

I mean let's throw out this card because it's actually relevant, I have bipolar disorder, when I am depressed or stressed I don't do what normal people do, I go into mass panic mode. And it makes my posts seem ridiculous in hindsight because I actually

am

at that mood point. And that's why I try telling you to talk to me in a 2-way dialogue, because I'm trying to prevent that level of upsetness. When everything is dandy in life I am much better at dealing with pressure, but when life is already stressful I'm much more prone to freakout mode

[MattP]

Like you can say this is all just AtE but you're making it be about AtE. If you would like to have a different discussion, one I think we can both agree is more productive, we should talk about ffery

[MattP]

Keep ignoring me and seeing if it goes away.

I didn't actively ignore you, I read your post when I was locked out of my house and then forgot to respond

[MattP]

I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

Yeah, no. I have better things to do with my time, and by now it's obvious I don't want

you

lynched right now, so bugger off. I don't have to make a pretty case for you. It's also obvious what's the scum intent in an early VT claim, and there isn't an inch of Town intent in claiming at that point in a game with the Apocalypse mechanic.

Where are your Townreads? Where's that supposedly awesome post that was to come last Night?

I didn't say it would be an awesome post, I said I would respond to you and I answered all of the questions you asked in tandem with responding to Tammy.

Regardless of whether you want me lynched right now, I would like you to explain to me why my posts are scummy since you're constantly calling them out and I'd like to be able to actually respond to what you're saying instead of having me post something, have you say "bullshit!" and then move on to the next thing.

As for the Apocalypse mechanic, it's not something I ever actually think about while posting. I haven't been actively trying to take advantage of or ignore the mechanic. I'd like to know why an early VT claim has scum intent

My major townreads are you, Tammy, Syryana, Zdenek, Implosion, Katsuki. I can get into "why"s about any of them if you need that.

[MattP]

Oh yayaayayaya now I dont have to try

VOTE: Antagon

Weren't you super scum reading ffery at this point? Why do you sound gleeful at the antagon scum read?

I didn't have a super strong scumread on ffery, I thought that ffery's initial posts didn't make sense and I wanted the pressure on her but I didn't get it and it was stagnating. I was glad that someone was being so scummy that I didn't have to reaction test them to get the info I needed. Hence "now I don't have to try"

As for ffery, I feel more settled by her recent posts on the past two pages and feel like she's actually in an open, logical dialogue so I'd like to see how it progresses. I'm also thinking about an aspect of Antagon's claim / how he delivered that doesn't make sense (and usually I would try to coax an elaboration out of Antagon in a covert way to see if I could get something scummy from him but judging by the fact that you and Tierce are on me like hawks I'll try to be more overt until that's over since if anything I bet doing that will divert attention away from where my reaction test would want it to be)

You want me to claim? Okay.

I claim Poo from EarthBound.

For some reason, I can use teleportation as kind of a JK/Ascetic type role. If I target a player, no actions can be taken by either player. No actions can affect either player, unless my target decides to kill me.
Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works.

I care less about the power of the role because I don't think it's my job to analyze how powerful a role is in tandem with the setup. If anything, Vi gave this as a fakeclaim if Antagon is scum, so it's just as valid as any other role.

What bothers me are these parts:

You want me to claim? Okay.
...For some reason...Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works.

The parts left are increasingly more and more scummy during rereads. I think if Antagon was town he wouldn't have posted those. It's hard to put why into words but I'll try:

1) He doesn't understand why his role's flavor is the way it is but he does understand the mechanic of his role. However, he says "Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works." at the end, which would imply he has no grasp of the power of his role. If he REALLY didn't understand the mechanic he would have tried to understand with the mod, not waited until his claim to complain about it. And therefore he just wouldn't understand the flavor he claims, but I don't believe he would have said "I don't really understand how my role works" at the end, I think he would have just explained the mechanic part and the name, it's like he's trying to flaunt his confusion about unimportant flavor, and feigned confusion is often a scumtell (see Capcom with DGB, which was deleted)

[MattP]

Ok, well in War is Hell any time I put off immediately saying my thoughts about something I was met with great pressure from Tierce

[MattP]

Since she currently feel about me here how she felt about me in War is Hell I'll try making changes to avoid that funtime

[MattP]

VOTE: fferyllt

Why, if you've explained this I missed it

[MattP]

I said it badly. No actions can target me or my target. My target and I cannot have any actions, unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

So you're unkillable unless you target someone that targets you for death?

That's.... pretty fuckin OP.

But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...

These posts guarantee that his confusion is fake

[MattP]

It's a little bit mean that you don't think I could feel his post was fake and rationalize from there yo

[MattP]

It's a little bit mean that you don't think I could feel his post was fake and rationalize from there yo

It isn't that I don't think you are capable, it is that I feel you of all people would have brought it up before I brought it up when talking to enomis.

I didn't even see that you did

[MattP]

I mean I wish I could trust you on that alone matt, but you only brought it up after I did so I'm pretty wary of things

Let me ask you a question that's recurring wonderfully often this game

Why would I lie about seeing something as scum? What would be my scum motivation for seeing you posted a thought, and then replicating the thought pretending it was my own and acting like I hadn't seen you had already posted it

It's obvious that I wasn't "mirroring" you because I posted that I took offense to you saying I couldn't come up with it on my own prior to you reminding me that you had already posted it, so it's guaranteed that I either didn't see your post, like I said, or I pretended to have not seen your post when I made the observation myself. So you're implying that I literally thought to myself "hm oversoul says something that I wanna pretend I thought of myself, so I'mma post the thing that Oversoul said acting like I didn't see he already said it for towncred"

Let that marinate

[MattP]

It's a little bit mean that you don't think I could feel his post was fake and rationalize from there yo

^This post implies that prior to you saying this:

It's a little bit mean that you don't think I could feel his post was fake and rationalize from there yo

It isn't that I don't think you are capable, it is that I feel you of all people would have brought it up before I brought it up when talking to enomis.

I didn't know you had already said it and that I thought, or tried to make it look like I thought, I was the first person to make my observation and only realized you had posted it before me when you pointed it out in post 670 above.

[MattP]

I know I'm ridiculous but you have to get used to it.

It's ok I forgive u

[MattP]

I am "appealing" to you by doing what you ask, which is trying to be more even-tempered and less of a prick, but unfortunately I have no QT to be laughing in <3

^Me

[MattP]

today was an even lazier day than usual. I can probably be convinced to vote mattp later when i have the mental lack of laziness to read things.

I read Matt's recent posts. Matt is almost certainly town.

I read Zach's 182 in depth. I don't like it. Some of the points are legitimate rebuttals, but trying to defend the push on pjovek is a bit odd, and calling the difference between pushing for a full or a partial massclaim a "semantic difference" when it is in fact a rather large difference seems to be sidestepping the main point that's being made, which is that his push lacked context.

As i continue reading his iso, nothing sticks out as particularly townish. He made a specific point earlier that his reads are subject to change, implying that this is important. I feel like he's dismissing a lot of Mattp's posting as scummy when it's just bad play. I use the word dismissing here because I think a lot of his posting on matt feels like he's assuming that matt is scum and then deriving that Matt's play is bad scumplay. i.e., 493. Even not buying that argument does not make Matt scum. Even if his argument is completely wrong, that doesn't mean that Matt doesn't genuinely believe it. A bad argument can still be genuine.

HOORAY I DID THINGS

The jump immediately from the first to second post, really regardless of my alignment, would be unlikely from scumplosion

If he were scum I don't think he'd just make an uncalculated statement that I could deserve voting since it just seems too sloppy/lackadaisical and suppose he was going for that type of sloppiness specifically because it doesn't look scummy, I don't think he would then turn around the next post and do a 180 without justifying his Matt-town read. He's too "free from guilt" with his posting and too jumpy. "Hooray I did things" was also cute just in general

[MattP]

Uhhh no, that is certainly not what that meant

That was a joke, right?

[MattP]

Oh yeah SOO is town too

[MattP]

Why do you think so?

The full post you quoted, specifically the end

It's "gut"

[MattP]

I'm going to state intent to place Antagon at L1

If anyone would like him not to be just yet, say something

[MattP]

This is a bad lynch on hp

[MattP]

Why? Because antagon is scum

[MattP]

Pretend my vote in on antagon

Amrun please deliver tonight

[MattP]

K that's fine

[MattP]

Nooo amrun townread me or I look like an idiot for wanting you to replace in

[MattP]

Did you seriously just say that you not be counterclaimed for your ridiculously specific and unusual role is a reason for you to be town?

Unrelated to that question, VOTE: antagon

[MattP]

Amrun, have you done a full read through

[MattP]

Protip: You're wrong

[MattP]

trying to paint MattP negatively while not contributing to figuring it out.

Wait, does this mean you're townreading me?? Is it the new position you got? Does it mean you can't be under the influence / beer goggles anymore on the forum?

[MattP]

Who was the person who compared another player to Fate or something? I vaguely remember that. I think I had a townread on that person because of that post

It was Kastuki, comparing my fakeclaims to Fate's

But Kat was town already so.

Also in regards to Syr, I thought Antagon flipped town until about 10 hrs until d2, I mean not for the same reason (what got me was the "Vanilla" wording in the flip)

I actually expected to come into today being quicklynched for changing the momentum off of HP onto a super duper PR. I also thought Tierce was probable scum since it seemed like she had hidden knowledge of Antagon's alignment

But ANYWAY then that didn't happen SO.

[MattP]

And considering the "Abyss" flavor wasn't even presented in the OP as being scum aligned I'm surprised Im the only person to have expressed making that mistake

[MattP]

PEdit: ...so your role PM shows you as Town in green and you get confused? How is it surprising that (all) others don't get confused on seeing "Town troll flip -> actual evil-looking non-Town-color flip" and make the "oh, he was scum" connection?

You made an effort when you read your role pm initially to memorize the color of your role name? Wow, props to ya mate

[MattP]

Brb, have to completely redo all of my reads

[MattP]

What if I told you guys that both HP and ffery are town

[MattP]

Fuck but the hammer on Antagon shit

[MattP]

HP asking if Antagon softclaimed Cultitante and asking why we aren't lynching that shows two things:

1) He was either faking spec of Antagon's role for towncred or he really thought Antagon could have been Cultitante
2) He either didn't know Cultitante wasn't a scum aligned role meaning he wasn't scum himself or he was trying to pretend he thought Cultitante was scum aligned

Both of those together seem like a stretch for feigned ignorance

[MattP]

We were supposed to know there was a specific role, not its name. HP didn't refer to it by it's name but he assumed that it was a "bad guy"

That assumption seems unlikely for scum to feign

But idk I feel so stupid DONT LISTEN TO ME IM A STUPID LITTLE BOY

[MattP]

post_id=5036869 time=1371358721 user_id=10128 post_num=695]It might be all the stress but did Antagon just softclaim "the role"?

Why is he still alive and not hanging?

Let's talk about this post

Why would town actually ever want to lynch a player that puts us into countdown mode

[MattP]

His curse is the reason Ganondorf exists in the Legend of Zelda series.

Wtf are you a nerd??

[MattP]

Ok fine HP can be scum

I like this idea of coming into games halfway through and being like "NO HERE IS SOME CLARITY BITCHES" and then saving the day from a mislynch

But I'll deal

pedit: Yeah zd I realized I was being dumb

[MattP]

2) fferyllt
3) implosion
6) hp [leaves]
7) Oversoul
9) sword_of_omens
12) Tierce

Can we agree the scum are all in here? I'm not asking for you to simplify the list more, Zdenek, I'm asking if you think I missed anyone that could be scum

[MattP]

What happened to that scum list that had me in it? ^^

Decided you were cute

[MattP]

2) fferyllt
3) implosion
6) hp [leaves]
7) Oversoul
9) sword_of_omens

WOOOOSSSHHHHHH

[MattP]

It happened when I said, "brb changing all my reads", about the time where I also had a flip of reads on HP and ffery. Can't miss it

[MattP]

It happened when I said, "brb changing all my reads", about the time where I also had a flip of reads on HP and ffery. Can't miss it

This still doesn't

explain

anything, dahling. Why was I a scumread of yours?

SHOULD I ANSWER THIS WHEN DRUNK OR SOBER

BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DRUNK RESPONSE MRS SNARK

[MattP]

I dont have work tomorrow because I worked on Sinday? Regardles you can check the chat logs to see if you are going to be skeptical about it lol'

I'll go into my thoughts tomorrow, idgaf about 772 hr does, I'm not going to not drink for the next month because of a mafia game

[MattP]

Thats not a scumread on you ffery, I crossed out all players that I have a surefire townreed on, I have a townread ony uo and overosul but I'm keeping you on my list of potential scum

[MattP]

You expect me to uote posts that I thought were town while incapacitated? Or give a halfass simplified explanation for reads for you to pick apart becase you thought they werent sufficient? I'd rather just wait until I'm sober, tyvm

[MattP]

I believe Kat thinks I'm scum, and I believe Kat's self assured attitude is due to him being town and there is a stark constrast between his behavior here and whateevr that game was where he buddied reck and was scum (where epm was a traitor)

happy? you vcan now bully a drunk person on a sloppy justification! [:

[MattP]

buddied fate*

[MattP]

...

You were calling me Town yesterday,

when you weren't drunk

. And now you're suddenly incapable of producing that evidence? When I'm drunk, my reasoning may become poorer, but I don't outright forget what caused said reasoning. You were calling me Town yesterday and today, then planted me on the scumpile, then called me Town again. You were comfortable enough with your state that you made these two changes and posted about them, but now you're too far gone to attempt to justify yourself when asked? Including for rationale

before you were drunk

?

My read of ou?

I thought you wanted my read on Kat

My read on you, in a ridiculously drnk version is that I had you as a townread all of d1, then waivered when I thougt ffery flipped town, then went back to town when I ralized it was a scum slip, then placed you as a possible scumread because many of my townreads where calling you potential scum/third party, then reaffirmed my townread when you posted recently

And why would I sheep reads? Because I've not been stellar recently at scumhunting so when people were calling you scummy I doubted my ability to successfully read yo

[MattP]

I buddy Fate whenever he has a town read, it's not particularly indicative of my alignment?

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you generally buddy fate, it matters how you buddy fate and in that game it was scummy as fuck
2) I was using that statement anyway as a clarifier to try to describe which game it was, not as a comparison between this game and the other
3) You're telling me it wasn't an alignment indicative tell when I had you pegged as scum that game, so whether or not it is one it in your mind it worked.

[MattP]

I'm hammering in a moment

You have five mins to protest

[MattP]

I didn't read anything other than deadline was at 4:20 EDT and I don't know what EDT means

So

[MattP]

Because mattp's play, as scum, would be terribad. And that is not Matt.

Allow me to disagree and say that MattP was p. terrible scum in Abarat 2. I might be biased because I knew his alignment, but it was definitely not stellar.

I'm a terrible scum replacement

I'm not so terrible when I have time to bullshit a bit and am not thrown into a ring mid fight

[MattP]

There's something very wrong with this picture, and that someone is you.

You're just unnecessarily mean

[MattP]

I'm sorry implosion and Matt for wrongly scum reading you. Well mostly implosion. I really hesitated on my Matt read but was paranoid from eggplant's first post.

It's ok, just next time I have an abrasive AtE meltdown under pressure now you know