Balto the Invitational - Game Over

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Vote: Reck

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VOTE: THETROLLIE

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Matt, don't be so boring.

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I name claim people being bad at mafia.

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Vote: Reck

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Governor pardons people, he doesn't order executions, silly AP.

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Reck pretending #280 is a bad post is very silly.

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they literally ignored the ENTIRE GAME to focus on one thing that happened

that's bad

90% of all things are irrelevant. It's good to focus on the other 10%.

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when you voted Trollie, was that part of the 10% CES?

No.

(Hence the caps.)

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Yeah, the wagon is basically snoozeville central.

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Matt, what's my alignment?

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I'm more tempted to claim I'll be hammering in a few hours.

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I'm going to hammer in a few hours.

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Vote: TheTrollie

Given the standard of play yesterday, I don't know why anyone is acting like it's meaningful that DGb died.

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CES, what's your read on Beethoven?

He seems fine. Why are you asking me about someone so boring?

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Vote: TheTrollie

Given the standard of play yesterday, I don't know why anyone is acting like it's meaningful that DGb died.

This is a scummy post.

CES, I don't get your point here. What was it?

If the game is this much of a mess, you just shoot a strong town player like DGb. It's a very meaningless nightkill as far as I'm concerned.

Iece, what's your position re: sheeping MattP on TheTrollie?

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That seems like a silly thing to feel good about unless you have a very low opinion of TheTrollie's scum game.

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That was @Beethoven, but I guess it works for both of you.

Not really. It only answered the boring parts of my question.

If you wish to protest the European Couch Union's designation of this game is a mess, you will have to fill out the relevant forms.

BBmolla is pretty good at making obviously scummy posts. Pointing out those scummy posts is not very interesting.

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I really disagree about the thread being a mess and this feels like playing up that the Axxle lynch was on town.

Why was the day 'a mess'? Were all the leading wagons on town in your opinion?

What it comes down to mostly is that everyone is bringing their own bullshit to the table rather than collaboratively scumhunting (e.g. the topic of conversation should currently be TheTrollie). Axxle flipping town doesn't really come into it; us having to settle for a very boring and mediocre wagon like the one on Axxle is quite relevant tho'.

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CES, what is your read on Nuwen?

+5 scum points. Her play has just generally been underwhelming and she seems to be unabashedly pushing some anti-town things, both things I definitely associate with her scum play.

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Nah.

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CES, what is your read on Nuwen?

+5 scum points. Her play has just generally been underwhelming and she seems to be unabashedly pushing some anti-town things, both things I definitely associate with her scum play.

What are some anti-town things that I have done?

Out of your pushes (Axxle, Iece, me, CDB, Triforce) only one of those has a reasonable chance of being scum as I see it.

What specific elements describe a not-underwhelming Nuwen game?

Posts? Insight?

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CES should clarify whether CDB or Triforce is the one reasonable scum.

Why?

AD, please link me comparable town and scum games.

Trollie, you're scum.

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Nuwen: Well then why did you say that it looks like I (and others, but you didn't name them by name) know his alignment because my towntell on him is exaggerated, in your opinion? I took that to mean you think I am scum who knows he's town. Do you think we are scum together, then? Or am I misunderstanding that post entirely?

Asking yourself "what if I'm wrong" is not only how you become a better person, but also a better mafia player

Asking yourself "what if I'm wrong" doesn't seem that useful if you don't really buy into it though; the progression of Amrun's read on Iecerint makes a lot of sense unless you outright reject the possibility of people reading Iecerint correctly as town.

Trollie, once I get this policy lynch out of the way, I'll lynch scum 4 Days straight, okay?

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I don't get your comments to me at all now.

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They just seem fairly random comments if you take away the context that I'm voting you.

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Trollie is scum for ignoring my latest post and giving a formulaic response to Channel instead.

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I can't imagine many scum teams that would do that.

CES should clarify whether CDB or Triforce is the one reasonable scum.

Why?

Because I want to know the answer, and also see whether you actually HAVE an answer.

God, I want to lynch this just so that this ridiculous behavior will not go unpunished.

I have little interest in answering questions just so you can feel you tried to scumhunt me. If you were interested in my read on Channel, that'd be another story.

AD, please link me comparable town and scum games.

Still want this, ActionDan.

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Nothing like that has ever been the intent of a post of mine. My intent was to share insight.

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Not a town tell I'd go for when the player has a well-developed scum game.

CES, if not Trollie, then who? Why?

Reck, obv. Have you seen his latest round of anti-town bullshit?

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No.

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Why would you have a "Hmm." in your notes?

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If you want the Day to end, you should vote for TheTrollie, quadz.

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Yeah, she's being lynched tomorrow.

(Or Today depending on the claim.)

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Why did you pick Reck and Fate, Trollie?

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First bolded statement refers to knowing that you were the neighborizer.

I have no interest in a Fatewagon and I see no reason not to give Nuwen one Night. Let's get back to the Trollie-AD dichotomy.

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Oh yeah we're TOTALLY forgetting that CDB is as scummy as my nutsack hair.

Probably because he's obvtown.

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Oh yeah we're TOTALLY forgetting that CDB is as scummy as my nutsack hair.

Probably because he's obvtown.

Why? Did you read his posts surrounding his vote swap to Fate?

Yes. He's obvtown because I say he is and I know how to read Channel.

I'm thinking, Gamma.

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Even if we were being paranoid, it doesn't really make sense for Singer to put forth the question if she hadn't genuinely forgotten.

I don't like teehee we are almost kind of but not really counterclaiming. No.

You don't have to like it, but let's not pretend this makes sense as a scum play. Town are often in this place where they want to share certain pieces of information but no more than that.

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CES, it makes more sense as coming from scum than coming from town, imo, though it doesn't make much sense as either. Care to enlighten me?

It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.

I don't like teehee we are almost kind of but not really counterclaiming. No.

You don't have to like it, but let's not pretend this makes sense as a scum play. Town are often in this place where they want to share certain pieces of information but no more than that.

But see she was also attacking Nuwen for doing exactly that. It's pretty damn hypocritical.

It is actually different but hypocrisy is also not scummy anyway.

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It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.

So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?

Pretty sure we weren't talking about. Also pretty sure that's another thing I don't care about.

.....which is why we originally asked if people had submitted that but rescinded it because that's probably breaking the rules.

The ongoing games rule doesn't work in that direction, silly.

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Triforce is at L-1.

I'd rather lynch Dan if it comes to it.

Vote: ActionDan

Reck's opinion of Trollie's neighborizing suggests scum that specifically planned the action to make Trollie look town more than anything else. I don't see an ounce of critical analysis, just bullshit upon bullshit justifying the conclusion that the action makes Trollie town.

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You say "more" as if you've given a reason for why that's scummy.

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The hypocricy angle is still superboring but I'm willing to sheep your town read. (The Nuwen stealing Triforce's claim angle doesn't hurt either.)

Unvote, vote: Triforce

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Vote: Nuwen

I deny being hated.

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pedit: Nuwen is town. most likely. Like really. most most likely

As was Beethoven. I don't at all trust your mod outguessing.

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Yeah. If AD is being silly, it's time for some PoE goodness.

Vote: Amrun

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Vote: Nuwen

I deny being hated.

Why do you think Reck was vigged, CES?

Killing suspicious anti-town players seems like fairly straightforward play.

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Vote: Nuwen

I deny being hated.

Why do you think Reck was vigged, CES?

Killing suspicious anti-town players seems like fairly straightforward play.

I usually don't find you voting

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suspicious, anti-town players and not lynching scum. What's up with that.

I vote with whomever. As for the second, I can't say I have a good feel for this game, no. I'm not entirely sure why you'd expect that, either.

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Why are you expecting popcorn? I obviously shot Reck. I don't know why Nuwen is being silly.

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CES claim? I want to know role and name.

Not going to bother with that nonsense. I made no attempts to hide that I was the one vigging Reck. Anyone who thinks I would waste an SK role by lurking clearly doesn't know me (I'm still bitter about Simon Mafia.)

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CES you know how this works. If you want to be town, you lock yourself into a claim. You don't get to sit in your special savant corner after shooting Reck.

You're just being silly because you have a "guilty" on me. I'm not going to claim over some half-baked SK theories. SKs don't make kills that can be traced back to them as vig kills.

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If you ask yourself who'd be likely to kill Reck, I think me and Triforce (claimed VT) are the only names that would come up. Then, if you look at my ISO, it fits me to a t, clear suspicion of Reck and absolutely no interest in trying to get him lynched. I was well aware scum could easily trace it back to me when I made that kill.

I thought you were totes lynchable, ftr. I definitely wouldn't've killed you regardless as that would defeat the point of letting you live yesterday. If I had been a lurksack SK, isn't killing you obviously the correct move?

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What about a terrible day 4.

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Non-mafia although I really don't think it matters too much.

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Yeah, we're lynching KK.

Vote: Kublai Khan

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Can we focus on the part where we lynch KK on account of sweet, sweet PoE? I don't want you guys to make any dumb lynches while I'm off in London.

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Um, why not? If it works, you get town points; if it doesn't and people look at you suspiciously over it, that might lead in to thinking your scum buddy is town.

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V/LA until wednesdsay

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You at least could've gotten me a KKlynch to come back to, you boring fucks.

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You're only allowed to have one suspect, sorry.

Vote: Trollie

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Iecerint -> Trollie justcuz.jpg -> Fate (always lynch the claimed BP before lylo son) -> MattP

Remove Iece and that's pretty much where I'm at.

Plus whatever Triforce did N1. I can't remember if they ever claimed it outright.

They've claimed vanilla.

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They did. Then they claimed actually vanilla.

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How has this game turned so dreadful all of a sudden? I count like 5 posts that were worth making Today (seriously, Iece, what the fuck are you doing?). If no one wants to do anything, just give me my Trollielynch.

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MattP doesn't really need to post in here.

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I hope that response was intentionally useless. Can you play mafia rather than converse about irrelevancies?

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Yeah, vigging us was pretty clearly the right play, tbh. We were that "I think they're probably town but aren't worth keeping around because scummy earlygame/WIFOM/have been frustratingly unhelpful" player, which is like Who To Vig 101.

That's definitely what I was thinking N3 although I don't think it was that true by the end of game (as evidenced by your survival). I shouldn't've killed Fate because he definitely would've gotten MattP lynched.