Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[Beethoven]

Hey guys. Preeetty scum here.

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vote reckoner

Preeetty scum there.

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UNVOTE:
WOAH THIS RECK WAGON GREW FAST, CLEARLY SCUM DRIVEN.

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UNVOTE:
WOAH THIS RECK WAGON GREW FAST, CLEARLY SCUM DRIVEN.

SCUMBUDDY DETECTED

WAIT WHO, WHY DONT I SEE IT

[Beethoven]

What, I haven't even faked hydra dissonance with myself yet.

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So I think it's ok to name-claim.

Let's go for it?

Vote Beethoveen

Popcorn: ActionScum

[Beethoven]

waitwaitwait

how did you guys end up figuring that out in F2F?
is that actually a thing in this game?

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VOTE: VOTE:
Did i vote right? #virgin

HAH

never before have I seen a vote tag so monumentally fucked up

you are in my heart

VOTE: Fate

[Beethoven]

Reck, content > .gifs, plz

I'm letting Freq have his newb card if he wants it that bad
any evidence he actually DOESN'T know how to votetag?

[Beethoven]

nothx

but yes, same thoughts on Fate, plus this head has trouble reading him as it is with all the CApSLoCKness
"providing more content" is semantics, I just meant .gifs vs. content in your recent posts was ew

[Beethoven]

@Mod: Frequency voted for Vote.

lol

Ok ok I give back my newb card sheesh
UNVOTE:

LOL

Reckoner, our Fate wagon is a quality wagon. Hop aboard while theres still towncred to go around

[Beethoven]

yay Hydra dissonance time

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im mina [redacted]

flavors a bit iffy but hey mina designed this game and livin is kinda her thing

This is the fakest fake claim ever faked.

'flavors a bit iffy', ya no.

Reck is town.

-AP

[Beethoven]

Hello Matthew

[Beethoven]

Lead by example, Dan.

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Also why does BBmiller's claim matte at all?

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Hi Amrun ^^

Gamma, whats your Fate read?

[Beethoven]

literally nothing he's said is actually an alignment tell but if you wanna go by lolgut he can be very slightly town.

Really, not even his bulletproof claim sans any meaningful flavor?

lol @Reck's reads list. But seriously Reck, get back on Fate.

[Beethoven]

shit I forgot to say Grimm is probably town too because he actually posted

is this a joke ..?

[Beethoven]

I'm a miller, I'm the Karaoke Place. I seem sketch because of the barking dog but in reality I'm a good place. Except I have overpriced drinks.

This is why we should nameclaim!

Also why does BBmiller's claim matte at all?

Dan, why does BB's miller claim matter at all for nameclaiming purposes.

[Beethoven]

^ buddying matt AND nuwen, Amrun? : P

[Beethoven]

You know what

Trollies scum

Absolutely positive VOTE: thetrollie

And fuck you fate

This was the most expected post ever.

[Beethoven]

roles = tied to flavor!

Why does BBM's MILLER claim make you think we should all nameclaim?

I realize he claimed a role...

@Matt: What? I have a lead on Fate, I

daycop'd him, hes in my scum QT, I CC his claim

hes scum, vote it.

[Beethoven]

^ buddying matt AND nuwen, Amrun? : P

I can see why you said it about nuwen, but where did Matt come from?

I was joking, but hes the only other person telling Dan that nameclaiming is a shitty idea.

FWIW, I agree though.

[Beethoven]

Why is he the only person saying it? That's a terrible idea. Lol

Well everyone else is ignoring Dan which is just as effective : P

UNLESS DAN IS SCUM.

p-edit:
UNVOTE: VOTE: trollie
ok Matt, lets do it.

[Beethoven]

there is a wagon on me already? i kinda feel pretty baller right now actually. I don't think i've ever attracted a lil wagon so fast so early in a game :*

SCUM DETECTED

[Beethoven]

I'm really not seeing this Amrun suspicion.

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Inb4 CES rolled himself and has a words/post post restriction.

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^ Hello Iec : )

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Trollie could be scum, but I am not emotionally attached to voting Trollie.

What do matt and I have to do to persuade you?

P-edit: Icerink is town. 100%.

[Beethoven]

You are just posting memes and trying to be cute. I think this is probably on the scummy side if I were forced to make a decision BUT I am kind of enjoying it and it is in the spirit of things, so I think it would be inappropriate to call you out on it with too much gusto.

uh...isn't this supposed to be @Reck?

if not it should be, js

[Beethoven]

Reck, read on Trollie gogogo

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EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN OBAMA AMERICA

You're welcome, we're now on an NSA watchlist.

That's so awesome LOL

Too bad you're scum though.

CES is town, Axxle is town, there's a 50-50 chance CDB is your buddy.

CES is town
CDB is town
Axxle is
Reck is probably town.

[Beethoven]

Ugh Iecerint, your serious posts are a MAJOR BUZZKILL.

[Beethoven]

We get it, you're town. <3

[Beethoven]

I am annoyed by the current level of "hehehe look at my scummy behaviors as town" meta on this site and have decided to try to reduce it using violence.

:/

Thats kinda oversimplifying it.

I look for emotions and underlying tone vs content. Light trolling is a good way to get people to not hide behind wallposts/lurking and actually generate readable content.

Like, you are town.

P-edit: Matt, wtf are you going on about.

[Beethoven]

So you control who gets lynched now?

[Beethoven]

It makes it harder to read the players who are doing it, though. So the utility as a strategy is lower as more and more players adopt the approach.

Eh, I guess. I'll admit I suck at reading matt, but I think he may just be a special case for me. I can read Vifam like a champ.

[Beethoven]

So you control who gets lynched now?

No, I am unable to be lynched,

Aka why I am unlynchable, but you already knew that? Do you not know what a GOVERNOR is?

Oh I thought Governor roles got to pick who gets lynched that day.

Wouldn't Unlynchable mean .. unlynchable?

[Beethoven]

Who else should we invite to the cool kids' club?

CES

[Beethoven]

Is it bad that I want to lynch Trollie to test that claim

not at all, Maestro does too - also I have personal doubts about the likelihood of Trollie RANDOMLY getting the role he practically gave birth to IRL

also Unlyncher is the exact same (but flipped) wincon from Lyncher...why the fuck should we help him win?

[Beethoven]

you see.

I'm an unlyncher to Trollie. He is the Pikachu. I am squirtle. I live in the balto aquarium. Pokemans.

P.S. flavor plz, "Squirtle"

[Beethoven]

Seriously Reck's "case" on Frequency is possibly the shittiest thing I have ever seen in a mafia game. It feels like a reckscum move, though I couldn't throw you any meta actually demonstrating why it feels that way.

and that makes reck dumb-scum and not dumb-town because?

town post

oh that claim was entirely fabricated.

Why you gotta be backpedaling MAFIA this game, Dan? Couch union man : (

This is probably scum if Dan is.

Axxle is on the second scumteam. The smaller one.

BBM stop dropping so many

scumslips

townposts.

I assumed AD's post was a masons softclaim

Why link yourself so blatantly to your mason who will probably have to claim anyways? I'd half buy seeing that as a lover pair interaction but not masons.

Pedit: And that's the worst reads list of the game so far!

Seriously its like hes going out of his way to have reads so irrelevant that he can't possibly be scum.

P-edit: would lynch dan probably. When Dan fake claims as town it has a good purpose behind it. He doesn't here and I really don't like that.

[Beethoven]

Trollie, why did you not care about Dan faking your flavor?

[Beethoven]

Wait so.

Trollie, why didn't you deny being the Pikachu?

[Beethoven]

Who do you think, of the players here, would coach him to pretend to not know how to vote and then lurk? Serious question.

Any number of people? Serious answer.

[Beethoven]

Ok, I know my kneejerk reaction as town would be to tell Dan hes full of shit. Im having a hard time seeing where Dan is going to 'slip' in your mind. Hes either trolling or scum if hes blatantly lying about your flavor and its suspicious as balls that you went along with his claim by saying nothing until Dan finally backpedals out of it.

[Beethoven]

and just as I was considering removing vote from u, u do something like this.

lol, no just die. Nothing you've done all game is even remotely town motivated.

[Beethoven]

"If I blatantly buddy DGB, I can slide my way onto that amrun counterwagon without anyone noticing"

[Beethoven]

So your read on me is pure omgus but you aren't willing to admit that. Got it.

[Beethoven]

Town:

Reck
Grimm
CDB
CES
Iecerint

Town?:

Mattp
Amrun
Frequency
DGB
Molla

Scum:

Axxle
Fate
Trollie

ActionDan?:
Dan

P-edit: Lol, yes I need to address literally every post you make to think you are scum.

[Beethoven]

^ -AP

[Beethoven]

pedit: when your scum case rests on there not being a town-motivated reason for my actions, u should not ignore the posts in which I gave said motivation to conveniently bolster ur case

Oh no I read it, I don't buy it.

Town would have told Dan he was full of shit and to fuck off from linking himself to you.

[Beethoven]

Spoiler: all of beets scummy posts

UNVOTE:
WOAH THIS RECK WAGON GREW FAST, CLEARLY SCUM DRIVEN.

What, I haven't even faked hydra dissonance with myself yet.

You know what

Trollies scum

Absolutely positive VOTE: thetrollie

And fuck you fate

This was the most expected post ever.

Why is he the only person saying it? That's a terrible idea. Lol

Well everyone else is ignoring Dan which is just as effective : P

UNLESS DAN IS SCUM.

p-edit:
UNVOTE: VOTE: trollie
ok Matt, lets do it.

Trollie, why did you not care about Dan faking your flavor?

Wait so.

Trollie, why didn't you deny being the Pikachu?

Ok, I know my kneejerk reaction as town would be to tell Dan hes full of shit. Im having a hard time seeing where Dan is going to 'slip' in your mind. Hes either trolling or scum if hes blatantly lying about your flavor and its suspicious as balls that you went along with his claim by saying nothing until Dan finally backpedals out of it.

im on the train and on my phone so I don't have the patience to include any analysis but those r the posts my scum read is based off. there ARE two posts of yours that are really town. actually itd help me to know which of you posted which of the ones above, and then I'll ask the same about the town ones when I u get on a computer

pedit: when your scum case rests on there not being a town-motivated reason for my actions, u should not ignore the posts in which I gave said motivation to conveniently bolster ur case

every one of these was AP, I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Spoiler: more author requests

Reck, content > .gifs, plz

I'm letting Freq have his newb card if he wants it that bad
any evidence he actually DOESN'T know how to votetag?

We get it, you're town. <3

you see.

I'm an unlyncher to Trollie. He is the Pikachu. I am squirtle. I live in the balto aquarium. Pokemans.

P.S. flavor plz, "Squirtle"

Seriously Reck's "case" on Frequency is possibly the shittiest thing I have ever seen in a mafia game. It feels like a reckscum move, though I couldn't throw you any meta actually demonstrating why it feels that way.

and that makes reck dumb-scum and not dumb-town because?

town post

oh that claim was entirely fabricated.

Why you gotta be backpedaling MAFIA this game, Dan? Couch union man : (

This is probably scum if Dan is.

Axxle is on the second scumteam. The smaller one.

BBM stop dropping so many

scumslips

townposts.

I assumed AD's post was a masons softclaim

Why link yourself so blatantly to your mason who will probably have to claim anyways? I'd half buy seeing that as a lover pair interaction but not masons.

Pedit: And that's the worst reads list of the game so far!

Seriously its like hes going out of his way to have reads so irrelevant that he can't possibly be scum.

P-edit: would lynch dan probably. When Dan fake claims as town it has a good purpose behind it. He doesn't here and I really don't like that.

also would like to know which of u wrote each of these

everything except that response wall (#312) was me (M), why?

[Beethoven]

EBWODP: 196 was me logged at the exact same time as AP having the exact same thoughts and we loled in our Hydra QT right afterwards

P-Edit: BAHAHA how do you even do that shit Trollie, stahp, stahp, I'm dying

[Beethoven]

also I'm barely following along, I'll give AP a smack later on and he'll stop being useless - don't be too mean to him because I can't bus him or I'd die too

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and tell me, dear sir, why would scum not do that in your world?

Irrelevant. Most scum aren't acting with obvious scum intent but just trying to look town.

But it does have scum-motive anyways because you are implicitly choosing not to comment on someone CLAIMING YOUR ROLE FOR YOU. If you both are scum you left open either the option down the line of saying Dan was right (and you just wanted to catch him in the act of making an elaborate flavor guess or something) or turning on him and saying you knew he was lying all along.

Town would _at least_ say they are not the pikachu or have nothing in their role related to what hes talking about. Even if you want a reaction out of him, that isn;t going to change it : ?

[Beethoven]

And all your AtE reads fake to me.

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UNVOTE: ; VOTE: axxle

Wagon ho!

[Beethoven]

Or triforce if you want to bus [:

I really feel as though this wagon grew way too quickly

Why do people think this is relevant at all. Wagon speed really means nothing and I always want to call people scummy that think it does ><

[Beethoven]

Thanks for cutting off the quote, yo.

The speed of the wagon BASED ON THAT FLIMSY EVIDENCE

You are still bringing up the wagon speed as a supportive point. But whatever.

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Plus everyone voting him except maybe Gamma is pretty town.

Inb4 Amrun votes the wagon and everyone flips out and unvotes.

[Beethoven]

Probably because out of fucks to give. If it's going to take Axxle getting mislynched and Iece dying of mysterious causes to win everyone else over, so be it. But if we can avoid these shenanigans, that'd be ideal.

I'm probably missing something...but either you just claimed Vig or you just claimed this is multiball.

[Beethoven]

Look at the wishy-washy and irrelevant fluff posted in Iece's first check-in post on Page 7:

This is so nitpicky, please tell me you are just trawling for reactions.

[Beethoven]

I think it fits a lot with Axxle and Triforce being scum together. Simple explanations ftw. This feels like Psychic Mafia D1 so far.

Really? Im growing suspicious of blatant white-knighting after that Iece vote post.

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Because srsly who the fuck thinks Axxle is town for any reason.

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Also fate ur axle wagon sucks. So he has different reads than 3 townie players? thats the case right?

His reads post in weird in the context of him not doing anything to generate any reads in the thread.

And he explicitly lists people as null but doesnt comment on most of the people in the thread? His reasons on some of those reads in particular look forced/overexplained and his reads in general just look like hes trying to be different and not just agree with anyone.

And his light scumread on Dan was all sorts of herpaderp.

[Beethoven]

Spoiler: I'll probably be on the trollie wagon.

Like really? He says this like he knows he should be commenting on relevant things. And doesn't include Trollie in his readslist in lieu of things like this:

ChannelDelibird - hasn't really posted enough for me to get a read
Cogito Ergo Sum - same as above
Fate - I think the bulletproof claim is ignorable. I have always have trouble going through his posts to get a read because caps are harsh.

[Beethoven]

Apparently Magna of Illusion is a secret head of Triforce. ^

[Beethoven]

Vote: Iecerint
I think that's right.

Axxle/Triforce team unlikely IMO

Axxle, I really don't like where your attention is this game. You call trollie/amrun out on concrete things but end up voting Iece for ???interactions with triforce???

@Nuwen: Its not just the infrequent posting that looks bad. His train of thought doesn't look genuine.

Also, AP is taking a self-imposed break from MS until Friday. I'll try to check in occasionally, but no guarantees. I leave you with the magnificent M.

-AP

[Beethoven]

matt, hammer axxle. We can worry about TrollForce tomorrow.

[Beethoven]

I didn't realize scum had to specialize in one department of being scummy.

And 'work' is not what I would say Axxle is doing.

[Beethoven]

also honestly matt my version of the scumslip is way better than urs.

What is this post.

[Beethoven]

^ The only thing scaring me about Axxle is scummy people swooping in to defend his ass with handwavy bullshit.

[Beethoven]

scaring me about [lynching] Axxle

[Beethoven]

but the scum-axxle story is just not consistent.

the SCUM AXXLE STORY?

The story is that hes scum and hes faking reads to try and fit in and its showing.

[Beethoven]

Also Matt, despite whatever logical fallacies Trollie may or may not have committed, if looked at holistically, doesn't the nature of his posts strike you as like.... very town?

No.

Hes trolling, pretending to be active by hydra-hunting M and I and not phased when people claim flavor for him.

That isnt town at all.

[Beethoven]

Wait Dan, who do you think is scummy?

[Beethoven]

Trollie should L2rolltown? Agreed.

[Beethoven]

CDB feels really town to me. I dunno his AtE felt unprompted/genuine earlier. And he was unapologetic (relatively) for people scumreading him which is usually from town.

[Beethoven]

VOTE: Triforce

[Beethoven]

Why? Everyone was reading her as town IIRC.

[Beethoven]

Eh that could also be true. Same difference I guess : ?

Actually UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Dan
That feels better.

[Beethoven]

Eh

Never mind ignore that, no point in figuring it out now.

Ya I noticed that too but never really knew what to make of it. Forgot to mention to M even. >.>

Im assuming town would have claimed it by now though tbh because why wouldnt they.

[Beethoven]

I will say that there is probably scum in the non-usual suspects

because of how the lynch yesterday was, imo, a pretty good quality lynch, yet its counter wagons didn't gain much traction.

The bolded is a really shallow statement and why are you defending the Axxle lynch so hard?

Axxle WAS a CW to the Trollie wagon.

Also the DGB kill points to Dan more than anyone.

[Beethoven]

Also the DGB kill points to Dan more than anyone.

I'm all ears.

I mean since we're talking about shallow statements

I will admit the temptation to lol hammer is strong. But I will resist.

ActionDan is confscum on Axxle townflip.

Its ok Dan, you don't have to be cutesy like you don't remember her posting this.

The only people the DGB kill really makes sense for are you and maybe Reck/Amrun. But Reck is town IMO and it would be a bit obvious for Amrun to make this kill after DGB voteparking her all day.

Ugh that alt slip was only a matter of time.

[Beethoven]

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

Also Reckoner is town, frankly DGB was wrong there.

[Beethoven]

Spoiler: Squid Iiiiiiiiink

I fully remember that post AP. Perhaps your memory needs a jolt as well?

Yeah reck ACTUALLY claimed scum.

I bet he doesn't even realize it.

VOTE: RECK

Yeah RECK. You're scum.

I'm sorry this game isn't going to go well for you.

UNVOTE:
WOAH THIS RECK WAGON GREW FAST, CLEARLY SCUM DRIVEN.

SCUMBUDDY DETECTED

amount of content in this game so far: 0

From you, maybe.

I found 2 scums already.

EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN OBAMA AMERICA

You're welcome, we're now on an NSA watchlist.

That's so awesome LOL

Too bad you're scum though.

CES is town, Axxle is town, there's a 50-50 chance CDB is your buddy.

JK.

is scum

Reck we're lynching your buddy but that's only because the first wagon of the day never gets lynched.

UNVOTE: Amrun

pffff I'm the one who called her out on her bullshit first, ya dig?

Yeah you did a case'n'run

Made a case then voted someone else.

you see.

I'm an unlyncher to Trollie. He is the Pikachu. I am squirtle. I live in the balto aquarium. Pokemans.

OK ActionDan is scum.

In other news, my foot fetish rates this game a 10/10.

Correcting an oversight:

VOTE: Amrun

An alphabetically-ordered list means he started the post with the approach "hey, I'm gonna produce some content here." He gives us the impression of having reads (TO BE CONTINUED when gamestate is more poppin', right?) rather than actually reading people in the game. This doesn't have to be scum, it can be lazy town expecting to shrug through D1 screamfest.

Yes, a lot of people do the same thing to megadump a full game of reads because copy/pasting is convenient way to order thoughts.

I agree that Icerint is the next-scummiest player in the game, and that Triforce is overly acidic today. When you have a gun just STFU, use it, and don't make a shitstorm in the thread because you can't control the day phase kill too.

STOPERVJEG2 OMG THE NIUINJA

Nuwen is scum.

Triscum trying to ensnare Iecerint with wurds.

Amrun, please stop trying to build a scumteam around your mistaken impression that reck is scum.

Can I build a scumteam around the fact that reck is scum?

I am kind of hurt that they think I am the easiest one to do this to, though?

I guess I do have a lot of words in this game.

I feel your pain but they're scum, if they weren't mean to townies we wouldn't have a game, thank you Triscum!

dgb why do you make me paranoid every game i play with you

Oh oh the "I'm soo0OOOO0O0O0Ooooo paranoid I can suspect anyone at anytime it's not my fault" scum tell.

man you don't actually think that's a scumtell do you dgb?
cause if I was dicking around in LYLO like that I could maaaaybe see it but saying its scummy this early seems pretty silly

Rock-hard belief. Playing 'paranoid' will play great dividends for your scum game - and it's pointless as town.

I will admit the temptation to lol hammer is strong. But I will resist.

ActionDan is confscum on Axxle townflip.

count instances of DGB alluding to people being scum:

ActionDan: 2
Nuwen: 1
Reck: 6
Beethoven: 2
Amrun: 3
Gamma: 2
Triforce: 2

You happen to be a special case since her last read on you was town. However, even though you have accounted for amrun and Reck being her prime suspects, you have jumped to the conclusion that DGB's death implicates me despite her other multiple scum suspects.

Dan is seriously trying to argue that he could not have killed DGB because his name showed up less times in her posts than other people's and Beethoven is also subtly a hyocrite because his name ALSO came up 2x in DGB's posts.

If you actually look at all of those people IN CONTEXT you see.
Triforce was only ever jokingly referred to as scum, never her direct interest.
Her posts about me were on page 1 and in the context of "Hammer please. The day has dragged long enough." so shes obviously just being a troll, but feel free to ignore that context.
She waffled on CDB and clearly was only ever peripherally interested in him pending on a complete other flip.
Gamma also felt more like she was playing with him to see how he'd react if you read her tone which was less than serious and more mocking.

I'll give you Reck and Amrun, but of the 3 of you, you are the scummiest person.

You are ignoring that the pressure on you was dependent on Axxle flipping town (so future pressure on you if she were alive) with this little tallying shenaningans too.

[Beethoven]

I have a secret list of people I wouldn't lynch and Trollie isn't on that list so I'm not exactly opposed to this wagon.

Who are you, Santa?

[Beethoven]

I'm not arguing that as scum I wouldn't kill DGB. I am arguing that your focus on me due to reasons of DGB suspecting me before she died are spurious given her equal and in some cases unequal attention on others.

So are we scum or just idiots then? We suspected you yesterday. The DGB kill is more indicative of you than Trollie and your defense of it felt a bit desperate.

If you are town I don't see why you wouldn't understand the above ^. You are the common denominator between 'suspicious peeps' and 'peeps with obvious motive to kill DGB'

Your defense has been a huge strawmanning of our reasons for finding you voteworthy to focus on a singular point and then say the point by itself is bad - it is.

I presented only the fact that DGB called you scum along with all other posts that called people scum.

YES EXCEPT YOU ARE IGNORING THE CONTEXT WHICH IS THAT SHE WAS TROLLING AND NOT ACTUALLY CALLING US SCUMMY.

Why is this even relevant? You are actively pushing false bullshit about DGB's opinion on us 'just because' and actually handwaving away context when its brought up.

As for Gamma, DGB was not simply mocking or reaction testing. Her 675 literally says that playing paranoid as a scum tell is a "rock-hard belief".

Really you don't see it? She didn't say "Gamma is scum". She pointed out one thing about his play she didn't like and then called it anti-town even. But I'm really not going to argue how to qualify the seriousness of each and every DGB suspicion.

Her suspicions throughout were of equal caliber strength when she had them. Or at least it is impossible to determine otherwise.

No it isn't. For instance, where shes voting is probably a strong indicator (Amrun/Reck).

Its not impossible at all - your defense against this suspicion feels awfully forced.

I've read your posts made this day and they are crap. Frequency of name mention matters more than context? Really? I added my vote to your wagon because you certainly deserve the pressure.

@Dan: So where would you expect KK to vote as town? Voting with incomplete information is not a scumtell. And if hes scummy for voting you based on the DGB kill why are Iecerint and I not also suspicious scumbutts for voting you based on the DGB kill?

but ActionDan's reaction was pretty gross

You aren't chainsawing Iecerint are you? Because Iec is probstown.

Maybe I was wrong about Triforce

What made you think this?

[Beethoven]

yo guyz bb is probably scum.

What an insightful post.

Trollie is only paying attention to me, and not Matt who is leading the crusade against him?

Fuck that

And he's not yelling?

Fuck that

Pretty much agree.

AP/Maestro thoughts on Nuwen/Amrun/Trollie please

If Dan is not getting lynched we would move to Trollie.
Nuwen is not a townread. I really didn't like her calling Dan scummy offhandedly and then shoving Iec on his wagon and not putting a vote anywhere. I don't know how M feels about her.
Amrun is on the town side of null although I'm lightly paranoid about some of her attempts to scumhunt being 'too tryhard' if you know what I mean.

[Beethoven]

Crazy explanations are the ones that make the most sense though : )

[Beethoven]

Vote: TheTrollie

Given the standard of play yesterday, I don't know why anyone is acting like it's meaningful that DGb died.

This is a scummy post.

CES, I don't get your point here. What was it?

[Beethoven]

Why isn't Reck - Reck, of all people - voting for anyone?

because I don't have a strong scumread as of now

next question plz

What is your read on KublaiKhan?

[Beethoven]

^ So who else are you looking at voting if not Dan?

[Beethoven]

I don't think hes scum though : (

Unless Trollie is just throwing him under the bus preemptively : ? because wut.

[Beethoven]

CES townread forecast: diminishing.

I really disagree about the thread being a mess and this feels like playing up that the Axxle lynch was on town.

Why was the day 'a mess'? Were all the leading wagons on town in your opinion?

[Beethoven]

PLEASE POINT OUT IF THERE ARE ANY MISTAKES.

Amrun is right about Iecerint being mistaken.

[Beethoven]

We're here. Did not realize I'd gone so long without posting. I actually signed in to post yesterday and didn't have anything interesting to say.

@Gamma: Why is KK's lurking worse than CES/CDB/whatever?
@Triforce: Why have you been ignoring Iecerint all day?

At this point I would lynch AD, Trollie, and Fate.
Would also lynch Nuwen or Triforce potentially.

[Beethoven]

The bolded is lazy and the italics are just busywork/loaded questions.

you wanna dance

lol. Ive already expressed my reasons for these reads. You ignored me the first time I called your post scummy and choose instead to respond to a weaker one down the line.

And your post to KK is literally a "KK is lurking, he needs to fix that" spanned into an entire post to pass off as busywork.

I'll give you the first question was not really any intent but to engage Gamma a bit for my own sake.

But I'd love to know how Triforce reading Iec as scumscumscum just to 100% ignore him today is not eyebrow raising to you.

God damnit. Edit: Hi KK.

[Beethoven]

Holy crap KK's scumreads are basically identical to mine.

[Beethoven]

@KK: Do you still think Reck's read on Grimm is good if Reck isn't town?

[Beethoven]

I usually read Reck's OMGUS reactions as lazy scum. Fits with his un-solidified reads on the last few pages.

Basically, he doesn't know where to focus his attention so the most obvious thing is to fight with the guy who thinks he's scummy. The vague threats and stuff are just his way of showing us clout.

shrug

I changed one word in your post. Can you find the difference? Hint: The post still reads basically the exact same.

[Beethoven]

Actually VOTE: Nuwen lets do this.

Hey Beethoven, I ignored your previous suspicions to me but, hey wanna fight?!?
Also here isa bunch of IIoA about what Reck is doing. It makes him lazy town because I say so.

[Beethoven]

Might be a bit of both. If BBmolla is a miller, then his play needs to be more analytic and less "RandomName is scum! thumbsup rofl".

I almost want to call this an unnecessary standard for someone to have for a miller, but IIRC you are infamous for having someone on your team claim miller and coast, so meh.

[Beethoven]

Why am I pausing to give you this detailed and nuanced read of Reck's recent behavior today. What motivations could power my posting?

Am I scum WITH Reckoner? Am I scum picking a random townie to defend? For what end? Reck is a useless, lazy sack of shit this game (like I just said). Doesn't sound like a powerful ally to me.

Burden of proof, screw that. You just described what he was doing (coasting essentially) and concluded that he was obviously lazy town for it. Your know claim its 'meta' and point to things that are very artificial.

And Reck has like one vote so I don't see why you care to defend him to KK.

[Beethoven]

Though Nuwen may be right about the lazytown OMGUS thing. I don't know if you realize this, but I don't think I've ever played a full town game against you. I've either always been scum or you've replaced out. So that's why you get the extra paranoia treatment.

What? And you can't see Reckoner doing that as scum at all? Nuwen's case is IIoA and entirely metabased. Is her scum assessment of Reckoner correct then?

[Beethoven]

scum assessment of Reckoner

should read "assessment of scum-Reckoner"

Your case on Axxle hilariously bad.

I'm right over here. Dan isn't getting lynched today, but Nuwen might.

[Beethoven]

get...lynched?

[Beethoven]

Nuwen might get what

get...lynched?

Dan isn't

getting lynched today

, but Nuwen

might

.

Am I missing something?

[Beethoven]

ActionDan (2): Beethoven, Kublai Khan

Im not a doublevoter according to my role PM

Votecount edited.

[Beethoven]

well I don't think he is obvtown so to me they are very germane

Except shes writing off Reck as town for not doing something he did in a scumgame once.

Thats not showing an interest in his alignment. Hint: she already knows hes town, shes just assessing his behavior in that light.

[Beethoven]

I have a particular theory for what's going on with Triforce today

False, a cop would have crumbed a result on you - not totally ignored the shit out of you.

Source: I've been a cop before.

-AP

Also Quadz dodging my question is just 'oooHhh I might be a PR so don't question us anymore!'

[Beethoven]

I'm here. My family was here all weekend.

[Beethoven]

Please keep half-assing cases and connections Action Dan,

And you have been an inspiration all game. But keep distancing from Dan.

I don't care how people typically read you and its like you are calling Dan scummy for nothing at all in 1115.

given that he thought Triforce might be a cop, is not how he would behave as scum.

How would he have behaved as scum in your mind?

Icerint is scum but I recognize that people think he's town

Im down for wagoning Iecerint¹ just to get Trollforce to stop playing coy about their read on him, but he's probably town.

His scum posts just feel sleazy and guilty. Hes very engaged here and feels unafraid to say whats on his mind without filter.

¹

Not really

(that's why no one can read me except fucking Katsuki)

Wrong, I still think you are scum.

Frequency's vote-tag blunder.

Frequency was clearly making a joke.

This emotion reads fake.

Why are you sending me on busy work tasks?

lmao, you backing up your scum read on Amrun with quotes is not busy work. This reaaalllly feels like blatant discrediting.

I'm inclined to agree with Reck

Scumbag Zdenek

"Amrun, why are you buddying Reck so hard??"

Buddies Reck

I think KK's case on ActionDan is contrived. Particularly the argument that ActionDan is scum because he backpedaled out of a third-party claim.

Yes well he wasn't the first person to call Dan scummy for that. In fact, didn't AGREE with DAN calling my post town in which I called Dan scum for exactly this?

[Beethoven]

didn't

you

AGREE with DAN calling my post town in which I called Dan scum for exactly this?

accidentally a word.

[Beethoven]

I grudgingly barely accept that townies sometimes fakeclaim. But ActionDan claimed something to keep TheTrollie from being lynched. People like xRECKONERx start strategizing along the lines of "Hey, maybe we should lynch TheTrollie to test this claim", then ActionDan immediately bails on the claim. Plus the fact that it's a third party claim is total scum red flag.

I believe this is town KK.

My reads have not really changed in this catchup. Nuwen/Dan/Trollie/Triforce are ++quality lynches.

[Beethoven]

Since she wrote it and it's pretty obvious, I think it was her sending me on a silly task.

Calling her scummy for asking you to back up your point on her with quotes is dumb. You are completely ignoring the possibility that she didn't actually know what you were talking about. And based on what shes posted since, her not thinking she was buddying Reck is her opinion and likely 100% alignment neutral.

I read Amrun's post to Reck as sarcasm (apparently it wasnt), but Im concerned that you didn't consider that at all before assuming she was changing her stance on Reck. Because seriously "A+ posting" when referring to Reck's self-evaluation on his posting frequency sounds like cheekiness to me and is a simple explanation for the post as opposed to "Oh Amrun is scumslipping about her Reck stance". And even if it isn't, I don't see how encouraging someone to post is even remotely scummy, independent of your read on them. I could _almost_ buy buddying from that Amrun post but trying to divine that she is slipping(?) about her Reck read when encouraging him to POST more is just wrong and scum.

The buddying is that you claimed to be reading Reck in the same way, but that isn't clear to me in your posts.

I thought you were talking about her post to Reck here; so oops.

KK has a recent history wrt fakeclaims and I've seen town-KK be irrationally biased towards scumreading players that admit to fakeclaiming. Although Dan is likely scum in this case. KK's concern over this point is exactly what I'd expcet from town KK.

Shocking that my read on Dan's response to you attacking him would be different from my read on KK when he agrees with your attack on Dan.

Ok, I made the point on Dan way before KK. Why is KK scummy for agreeing with me?

[Beethoven]

@Reck: I dont give 2 shits if you thought Grimm was towntowntown.

[Beethoven]

You do realize the only reason he did that is because fucking AMRUN COULDN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING SHE HAD BLATANTLY SAID, right?

Like, Zdenek went, "Yo Amrun, you said you liked Reck's play" and she goes "What? Where did I say I liked Reck's play?" and so he had to go digging for it and do her work for her which makes his statement perfectly valid.

In fact, there's absolutely no way you're this retarded so why are you streeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching to make Zdenek look bad?

Except she has said (and what the fuck, this is fucking obvious) that she was happy you were POSTING more.

So you agree that Amrun slipped or somehow expressed cog dissonance by being happy that you are posting more?

This whole thing is actually mindboggling. One of Reck/Zd has to be scum.

[Beethoven]

Zdenek, what exactly was your point against Amrun re "a+ posting Reck" if not buddying?

[Beethoven]

I think KK's case on ActionDan is contrived. Particularly the argument that ActionDan is scum because he backpedaled out of a third-party claim.

His read on Nuwen is also nonsense:

I think that case is stupid. I think KK is scum.

You called KK scum for bringing this up.

I called Dan out on the exact same shit and you are giving me a pass but calling KK scummy PARTICULARLY for this.

And in 1255 you are backpedaling out of calling KK scummy for the case as if you didn't use it as a reason for scumreading him.

Try again.

[Beethoven]

Willing to lynch Zdenek. Dont even really care if hes town but he probably isnt.

[Beethoven]

Figure it out. If you are unable to tell, then any meta analysis you may do will be pretty shitty if you were told.

I dont find the Amrun point scummy by itself.

[Beethoven]

Obviously.

[Beethoven]

I assume there was a point to you caring?

[Beethoven]

I assume there was a point to you caring?

AP, it is unnatural to "like" posts that you find scummy. It requires deception to say that.

Amrun's explanation is basically that there WAS deception, but it was that she wanted a player who made her suspicious to be motivated to keep providing content (e.g., because he might slip), so it was townie deception.

1281 was to Zdenek re my secret identity.

And Amrun didn't say that she found the post that she 'liked' scummy? Or did I miss that.

[Beethoven]

At the time, he was totally willing to consider the possibility that Frequency wasn't making a joke.

Someone pointed out later that it was likely a joke and we realized that he had not actually attempted to vote for anyone so obviously he was just being dumb.

so I am now remembering that I am significantly less motivated to post things when I don't have to go back to work in a few minutes

I know right? I love reading from the bathroom.

because I'm going to be actually disappointed if AP is making these godawful posts

Why do you have any expectations for my play : ? And ok. If you didn't have Grimm's content to go off of, would you still think Zdenek was town?

And Zde's reads get PbP chunked apart? Where's the scrutiny of KK's replacement perspective?

I've made clear what Zdenek has posted that I don't like. Why are you comparing him to KK arbitrarily? And yes I'm voting you, how ...hypocritical? You could actually respond to my Zdenek posts instead of comparing him to KK whilst handwaving away what I posted as 'bad'.

[Beethoven]

Maestro is around and reading.

We'll get off this vanity wagon after we talk reads over.

[Beethoven]

Can anyone townreading Nuwen explain that to me?

[Beethoven]

I know that Beethoven is a little sketch, but it's for a good cause.

Since when have you thought we were sketch

Bases a case for Iecerint being scum base on Nuwen being town.

How does 544 have to do with Nuwen at all?

They are interested in CES because a prime-scum read brought him to their attention rather than thinking that scum?Nuwen was trying to deflect attention on to someone else or some other opinion that would be in line with their scum read on Nuwen.

So? Why would Nuwen being scum make someone shes lightly pinging more likely to be town? And even if it did, its still showing that Triforce is at least _interested_ in the things Nuwen is saying which is definitely what I would expect from someone who is scumreading her.

All of Zdenek's reads are forced as fuck and when called out on being blatantly wrong / reaching he just omgus's and moves right along with more BS.

[Beethoven]

VOTE: ActionDan

Ugh, Maestro is being a lurksack in the QT as well. Apologizing for not posting and basically said its on me Today.

I play mafia super causally as town and not that many people can stand that.

I really feel that Dan is just doing whatever he can to avoid the lynch today. He claims that hes 'casual' as town which he most certainly isn't. In posh mafia he was fairly active and DEFINITELY gave a shit when people were trying to lynch him. He clearly cared today to when he was throwing up walls re DGB kill spec to me as a defense so I find his statement to Triforce really off since they are calling him scum for 'gut' which shows a bit of guilt on Dan's end to immediately jump to "my activity is getting me lynched". I would have expected Dan to behave more like he did in Posh mafia were he town this game.

His 'unlyncher' claim shows a definite interest in NOT playing casually. And like I've said, Dan's motivation for making the claim is pretty crap. He claims he hoped people would believe it to be a masons softclaim , but he retracts the claim right away. Did he just expect people to stop wagoning Trollie after he swoops in and does some hocus pocus to defned him and then take it back? If the answer is yes, then what the fuck. If no, then why fake claim at all? Im just not seeing any town motivation behind the claim at ALL and Dan almost always has some sort of reason for his actions as town. Reference:

Spoiler:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25818

Claim: PGO

debated how to play this, but I'm going the safe route.

VOTE: Quilford

you know why

congrats.

You're confirmed town (presumably).

I'm not a PGO.

I'm a reflexive roleblocker

I don't see how Dan even trusted Trollie enough to put himself out there to soft a mason claim on him that would come back to bite him if Trollie flipped scum and it was proven he was lying. Its just not something that makes sense for Dan to do as town at ALL.

--

Moreover, I dislike that he spent so much effort defending from the DGB NK spec accusation. If he really feels that NK spec is worthless (in general or here) then why spend

so much effort

tallying up everything DGB has said and unloading a huge wall of IIoA, whilst ignoring context, just to say that it could have been anyone? If he really is town, I'd expect him to not give too many shits since he'd know I'm wrong or offer up an explanation for who the kill did point too. He didn't even conclude that the NK spec (or NK spec in general, which I'd buy as a playstyle belief) was useless - he didn't conclude anything. Just throw out a lot of quotes and ignore context.

A lot of what hes said today feels off. He asserts that his KK vote and Fate vote were the most 'pro-town' things he has done but flipflops on KK and throws in tidbits like

things are clearer to me now.

if KK's town then it's a good thing I'm not voting him. QED

As for KK well I get the feeling that I'm just wrong there.

to suggest that matt is scum but never revisits this. His ISO feels disjointed and I can't follow his progression of thoughts from CES to Fate/KK and he really feels like hes along for the ride. I would absolutely expect him to be voting his counterwagon and not voteparking snoozeville KK wagon if he were town.

Oh and a minor thing but I didn't like him generalizing his inability to justify his Nuwen townread to everybody townreading Nuwen. Why make that post at all if you aren't going to give me an answer, and why slide in the idea that no one will be able to justify a townread on nuwen. Thats some shit.

[Beethoven]

Trollie fucking claim

2nd this

[Beethoven]

^ By OMGUS I meant this sort of thing (not actually omgus, ok):

This is just stupid.

Giving non/AtE answers to things you don't care to address.

And no, Zd, didn't you read Dan's post about how DGB kill could point to ANYONE?

[Beethoven]

Im actaully playing way better than I ever do this early in a large game.

[Beethoven]

I feel like the pressure to vote NOW

No, that pressure is probably just the deadline that you have been lurking towards.

Why is Dan town?

[Beethoven]

I feel like the pressure to vote NOW means that we have two town wagons happening

Dont be dumb. What is this perceived 'pressure' that makes the wagons town?

There is pressure because the day is going to expire in 2 days.

--

Why are you uninterested in voting dan?

[Beethoven]

I don't know how you can possibly be pressured to vote NOW about a 48 hour deadline, I'm curious how long it takes you to type the word vote and a name, and coordinate it in a pressured manner over a time greater than 3 hours.

Yes but mafia is a game of coordination. Like. We _could_ still flash wagon Triforce like Gamma keeps suggesting, but is it feasible? It takes time to rally support and time to rally votes. Im trying to get Dan lynched over Trollie which partly involves CONVINCING people that he is a better lynch.

I'm curious on your Dan read because (1) I can't remember much of what you've done, (2) I am trying to coordinate a Dan lynch, and (3) do you really think you are going to advance your 'agenda' to the point you can get someone that isn't Dan/Trollie lynched? I'm sitting here waiting for you to decide who is the optimal lynch, convince people it is the optimal lynch, and get 9 votes in 2 days what with all the lurking going on.

But seriously good luck with this whole avoiding reality bit.

[Beethoven]

With a bag lady and a schizophrenic on the AD wagon anyone that joins it has an illness

Is this referring to Reckoner and Fate?

[Beethoven]

What is a bag lady even >.>

[Beethoven]

Dont be dumb. What is this perceived 'pressure' that makes the wagons town?

I still don't get what 'pressure' you are perceiving that makes you think both wagons are town.
Are you just talking about the recent votes onto the wagons? If so, which ones feel scummy to you?

[Beethoven]

Wow, fuck you.

[Beethoven]

I'll note that all 3 people voting off the leading wagons have expressed interest in Trollie over Dan.

So really no excuse to sit on a claim like a fucking scumbutt.

[Beethoven]

^ lol.

[Beethoven]

Actually, no. Nuwen is fucking scum.

That was a shallow as balls response to matt that shows shes commenting w/o really comprehending the game.

[Beethoven]

NEIGHBOR FUCKS

What is your flavor.

[Beethoven]

I don't see why you were reluctant to make a neighbor claim. Nor why you decided to out your neighborhood despite not wanting to claim.

[Beethoven]

out Reck and Fate as your neighbors I mean.

[Beethoven]

So Mina and ??? and a Sexhotline in a neighborhood.

Can anyone explain whats up with that shit? Reck should flavor claim too imo.

[Beethoven]

Does your neighborhood have daytalk?

[Beethoven]

VOTE: Nuwen

[Beethoven]

So you do have daychat?

[Beethoven]

VOTE: Action Dan

Nuwen, your claim feels town but a name claim to back it up would be sexy.

Trollie's claim is sketch and I legitimately want to know if anyone gets the 'sexline' reference.

Fate is dumb, but probably not scum.
Can the people voting Fate explain that to me? His rage reads genuine and I really don't see any scum motivation behind lying about the neighborize.

KK, keep on doing your town thing.

[Beethoven]

Meh, the 'everyone is shit' and 'Im a PL' sounded real, but I know Fate's reputation proceeds him.

Dan, if you originally made out that Nuwen was crumbing a cop Inno in that post, what do you make of it now?

[Beethoven]

Im going to start listing people as either dumb or scum. Because Im p sure all the dumb players are town at this point.

Except possibly Triforce. They might be dumb scum.

PSA: 33 hours to no lynch. reading..

[Beethoven]

@Nuwen: Nameclaim. And if you decide to 'sit on your shot' tonight, I'm voteparking you tomorrow.

What exactly changed your mind about Reckoner? Because his post about your flop on him is pretty accurate.

OH MY GOD THE DEADLINE PANIC THE DEADLINE WE MUST ONLY VOTE FOR THESE 2 THINGS THE DEADLINE THE DEADLINE

What the fuck is this post. If you are going to waste a vote on Reckoner, at least pretend you care about finding support in time.

Fate: I'm giving Nuwen one day at least. No one has offered any counterclaim and the 'nuanced' part of her claim felt genuine to me. No need to be elaborate with fakeclaims in a (apparently normalish?) game as scum and she was quick to lock herself into something shes going to have to explain/back-up-with-flavor. Her Reckoner push and 'lol who gives a fuck about the DL' is terrible, but the sort of terrible I can see coming from town. You should join Amrun, KK, and me on lynching scum Dan today.

Amrun: Could you summarize your feelings on Nuwen, Triforce, Fate, Reckoner, Trollie for me.

Gamma: I would be down to vote Trollforce, but they are not my preferred lynch today.

so you should probably vote someone else.

Why don't you care about Trollie and Nuwen's lone votes?

p-edit: Claim aside, Nuwen looks scum to me. But my gut really wants to believe her claim and her story makes sense despite how dumb it may be. I 100% agree that Dan is the right lynch today although I would be fine with Triforce or Trollie as compromises. I agree that Fate is less likely to do provable bullshit as scum. As town he likely feels he can just do whatever he wants - it fits his ego.

p-p-edit: I really dont see whats wrong with not wanting to lynch a claimed 1 shot cop. Its a retarded claim. Let her use her shot or claim to get blocked or whatever. Shes tracker bait.

[Beethoven]

Reckoner, you are assuming shes scum and not a town PR. Why err on the side of lynching a role that is USELESS after tonight BEFORE tonight? Lynch fucking triforce or someone else that has to go.

[Beethoven]

woooololooo pseudo kinda limited power claim with no role name that NOBODY has even bothered to ask for.

I've asked 2 times now actually. Thanks. You arent bussing Nuwen, are you?

[Beethoven]

reactions are splitting the game into definitive camps.

Oh god, remember HPATPL. I do

[Beethoven]

Triforce breadcrumbs info role.

You may CC her or aclaim a guilty at any time.

Until then Im taking anything you soft as seriously as if Fate had made it.

That doesn't make the original lack of a name claim any less egregious.

Then why do you care so much whether anyone asked or not?

Faraday played a game of SH with me at least.

And why a Hermit card from that game?

Didn't Quadz play? Hermit cards force people to reveal something about their alignment in a roundabout way, but they let you investigate someone kind of. So the flavor makes sense.

Trollie: When I thought he was in the neighborhood, I thought that was pretty town of him to open himself to such scrutiny. Now, I don't see why the wagon has dissolved on him. Fate/Reck unconfirmed neighborhood seems like a perfect way to make the town dissolving into skullfucks, which it has. Seems like a pretty scummy choice. He said he did it because it would be "funny," which isn't town motivated.

This is a good point. And actually to add on this and KK's points, a Fate/Trollie team could actually explain a lot of the shit Fate is doing from a scum perspective.

I HAD to claim early at town here,

Wait, then why are you posting in all caps about how the DL is meaningless to you when it CLEARLY affected your decision to claim?

[Beethoven]

Give me a list of the scummy things done by Nuwen.

Calling Dan scum and simultaneously attacking the people voting him (me, Iec)
Discouraging NK spec by implying Im scummy for it (esp considering DGBs only reference to you was to call you scum and you at least partially agreed that Dan was scummy at the time which is what I was pushing)
Your Flop on reckoner which you still havent addressed
Complaining about the DL forcing you to claim and simulataneously saying anyone talking about hte DL is dumb in all caps
Admitting to being scummy intentionally (Ive done that shit as an IC in a newbie game as scum, trollol)

[Beethoven]

Give me a list of the scummy things done by Nuwen.

WELL YOU ADMITTED TO BEHAVING SCUMMY, SO WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT FOR US?

LOL

[Beethoven]

There's a big difference between anticipating & working within limited time, and just screaming "DEADLINE IS CLOSE" as a tactic to stifle new topics.

Stifling votes (like those on Reckoner) is good because it doesnt waste people's time with bullshit and spread dissonance when we could be consolidating onto actually viable scum wagons today.

[Beethoven]

^ Read "actually viable scum wagons" as "ActionDan".

Townreads: KK, CES, CDB, Reckoner, Molla (where you at? : ( )
Weaker Townreads: Fate, Amrun, Matt, Iec, Gamma?

Potentially willing to lynch anyone not listed above ^.

[Beethoven]

@Trollie: Reck is similar to KK in the old-school 'no bullshit allowed from town' camp so I dont find his hop on fate particularly out of character.

What is your read on Dan and Trollforce?

[Beethoven]

And by Reck I meant Iec, but they rhyme in my head so I wrote Reck :X

[Beethoven]

Give me a list of the scummy things done by Nuwen.

Calling Dan scum and simultaneously attacking the people voting him (me, Iec)
Discouraging NK spec by implying Im scummy for it (esp considering DGBs only reference to you was to call you scum and you at least partially agreed that Dan was scummy at the time which is what I was pushing)
Your Flop on reckoner which you still havent addressed
Complaining about the DL forcing you to claim and simulataneously saying anyone talking about hte DL is dumb in all caps
Admitting to being scummy intentionally (Ive done that shit as an IC in a newbie game as scum, trollol)

I 100% expect this to be addressed btw.

[Beethoven]

And Triforce needs to realize that their 'ooOoHhh are we a PR or aren't weeeeEeeE' is complete shit and a waste of my time.

[Beethoven]

Iec does not rhyme with Reck,

If you pronounce it 'correctly' it does. Yeck-ur-int . As I understand it.

[Beethoven]

My favorite flashwagon right now is CDB.

Flashwagon request: denied

[Beethoven]

If it comes to Nuwen/Trollforce, Im voting Trollforce.

[Beethoven]

"I expect you to link/quote examples of all the above and stop wasting my time."
Lol, fuck that. You asked for a list of why you are scummy and I gave you one.

1. Not my point? And no he isn't. I don't care what you did after deciding Dan was town.
2. Exactly my point - you are discrediting any attempts I make at NK spec by implying Im scummy for it.
3. Reckoner ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS A LARGE CHANCE FATE WAS TOWN WHEN HE MADE THE VOTE. HE IS ADVERTISING IT AS PARTLY A PL.
Also:

"THE JAVA CAT ATE MY POST" sounds like scum Reck

Is so contrived. You really tihnk Reckoner is lying about posts and that is more likely than someone actually losing a post at some time? Shit happens. Come on.
4.

Triforce has expressed an interest to flash wagon me several times. CES has expressed suspicion of me. Nuwen is going to try and bullshit her way through a last minute lynch on me. Don't do it, because I'm actually town.

This. Even though you're in our top five, Nuwen's vote has scumscumscum written all over it. There is literally no town motivation in trying to start new shit 26 (28?) hours from deadline.

OH MY GOD THE DEADLINE PANIC THE DEADLINE WE MUST ONLY VOTE FOR THESE 2 THINGS THE DEADLINE THE DEADLINE

No, they are right. The most anti-town thing is to have a NL or shitty forced wagon at the last hour. And the 3-4 day post is not the one you responded to here.
And seriously, who cares. Towns get apathetic when days drag and that + panicking at the last minute is always FANTASTIC.

[Beethoven]

Can anyone townreading Nuwen explain that to me?

I don't think they can. I mean I won't anyway.

FATE, help me lynch this today. I'll sheep you tomorrow if we lynch scum-Dan today.

[Beethoven]

IN WHAT WORLD DOES TROLLIESCUM NEIGHBORIZE TWO STRONG TOWN PLAYERS WHO CAN READ EACH OTHER?

You are claiming that SCUM trollie wouldn't know that You/Fate have loldramaexplosion fun times so why do you expect him to know that you both know how to read each other when town?

2 way street. And not just trollie, anyone I dont care.

[Beethoven]

Beethoven, Reck, Nuwen, Dan can all get deathdeathdeath.

Ok, how about not vote-parking Nuwen then and helping us counterwagon Dan? That would be greaaat.

[Beethoven]

Singer? If you are town, please get your head out of your ass. ActionDan is a viable wagon today. Please claim your role and flavor to get people to stop voting you for policy.

Your posts about Amrun are modaction levels of personal attack imo, but read incredibly genuine for that reason.

So stop fucking QQing, claim, and vote Dan. Thanks.

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beethoven did you ever see singer play as scum?

because she despises it. and she does get very emotional and frustrated while playing as scum.

I haven't seen her play scum, but I've seen some townies rage at each other in the games I've modded and I know genuine town hate when I see it. It gives me the same 'I should moderate this, but I might conftown people in the process :/ ' feel if that makes any sense.

Amrun, Dan wagon, you know you want to. In case anyone is wondering whether Dan decided to just CC a not-claim by Triforce as town: nope.

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something (i dont remember what, it was sometime today) brought him back to the foreground

It was probably my case

[Beethoven]

Amrun is obviously town ^ there in case anyone couldn't tell.

[Beethoven]

Nope, you're scum

Ok then

Vote: Zdenek

Im glad Im not the only one that sees this for what it is.

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No, nothing. In other news dan officially issued a CC for their not-claim which was a soft crumb CC of Nuwen's half claim.

[Beethoven]

Why are you creating a meaningless sideshow?

[Beethoven]

Actually lol'd.

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"I was roleblocked and lost my shot" -Nuwen, Day 3

Ok Zd.

[Beethoven]

no, thank you. I'm totally fine lynching Dan first.

[Beethoven]

Why are CES and CDB scum?

Matt, why is CDB scum?

[Beethoven]

Dont mind me Im just pissy that Im not in the town block over the guy voting himself.

[Beethoven]

Have fun mislynching Triforce.

[Beethoven]

Singer? If you are town, please get your head out of your ass. ActionDan is a viable wagon today. Please claim your role and flavor to get people to stop voting you for policy.

Your posts about Amrun are modaction levels of personal attack imo, but read incredibly genuine for that reason.

So stop fucking QQing, claim, and vote Dan. Thanks.

beethoven did you ever see singer play as scum?

because she despises it. and she does get very emotional and frustrated while playing as scum.

I haven't seen her play scum, but I've seen some townies rage at each other in the games I've modded and I know genuine town hate when I see it. It gives me the same 'I should moderate this, but I might conftown people in the process :/ ' feel if that makes any sense.

Amrun, Dan wagon, you know you want to. In case anyone is wondering whether Dan decided to just CC a not-claim by Triforce as town: nope.

[Beethoven]

Also Dan/Triforce doesn't really make sense as a team.

[Beethoven]

I'd reconsider a few things.

Wow, ok. Fuck this game. Apparently asking simple questions to people to engage them on a topic they are interested in is eyeroll/ignore worthy. Im voteparking Dan for the rest of the Day phase.

AP out.

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stop.

Im 'Trollie misleading people with bad directions'

Im a 1 shot weak jailkeeper.

I 'accidentally' took someone the wrong way on the way to karaoke night and endd up in a dark alley alone with them where they would do shady things to me if they are scum (weak).

I crumbed the result in a reads list, although it was kind of subtle.

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Weaker Townreads: Fate, Amrun, Matt, Iec, Gamma?

^

'weaker' town read, emphasis on gamma. Hes confirmed town.

I defended him offhandedly from Dans speculation that the DGB kill pointed to him with stuff I didnt quite believe at the time about DGB's words meaning less wrt Gamma.

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No, I am at work. Im actually trying to be productive unlike yesterday.

I flipped to the last page, saw the VC and claimed.

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Yes, on gamma herpderp. Hes confirmed town.

[Beethoven]

Beethoven (8) Fate, Nuwen, TheTrollie, Triforce, ChannelDelibird, xRECKONERx, Kublai Khan, Amrun

Fate is scum.

KK is scum for his bullshit hop on me at the last minute.

I regret defending Amrun I suppose.

[Beethoven]

KK/{Fate/Nuwen}/Zdenek/Dan?

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Actually, Iecerint is scum. I dont know what I've been giving that a pass. "It might have to do with Beethoven" What sort of bullshit is that.

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why*