Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[Amrun]

Frequency's joke seems a little too conspicuous for scum.

Nuwen's thinking along the same lines as me, which is kind of odd as per usual.

VOTE: Reck

Edit: I had this halfway typed and was going to add more but then I got busy at work and that was like two hours ago and I forgot.

I'm sure there will be a million posts before this when I post this.

That's probably a cue to say that I am v/la until Tuesday. Have phone access only and am extremely busy with limited attention.

[Amrun]

"too scum to be scum"

Not what she said bro.

"too conspicuous to be scum" follows along the path of thought that "scum wouldn't draw attention to themselves" which means, yes, it is an iteration of "too scum to be scum"

That's literally not even remotely what I said. Lol

Also name claim is bad.

[Amrun]

^ buddying matt AND nuwen, Amrun? : P

I can see why you said it about nuwen, but where did Matt come from?

[Amrun]

^ buddying matt AND nuwen, Amrun? : P

I can see why you said it about nuwen, but where did Matt come from?

I was joking, but hes the only other person telling Dan that nameclaiming is a shitty idea.

FWIW, I agree though.

Why is he the only person saying it? That's a terrible idea. Lol

[Amrun]

Beethoven, gamma always suspects me no matter what. I'd be more concerned if he didn't vote me.

[Amrun]

Beethoven, gamma always suspects me no matter what. I'd be more concerned if he didn't vote me.

This is your fifth post and you've done nothing

Just letting you know in case you were curious. Aka, do something pls ty

Tbf, I will post wherever and whenever I can, but I'm not fucking joking when I say I'm v/la. I'm running on about 30 hours of sleep since Tuesday, I'm busy as shit, and struggling to remain coherent. So you all can suck it until Tuesday.

More to the point, there are TONS of other players who have done far less than me. Why single me out?

[Amrun]

Iecerint, why do you love Frequency more than me?!? :'(

JK.

But really, what do you mean by "unnatural feelings?"

[Amrun]

@iecerint: so you mean simply that you read frequency as scum, and i dont? i dont quite get it.

Yeah I'm just not messing with Trollie right now because the WIFOM is hurting my head tbqh!

This is non-committal. You spearhead trollie's wagon and then waffle around because he might be the Pikachu? How does that make sense?

[Amrun]

Matt is smart enough to recognize that Trollie is a bad D1 lynch following the unlyncher claim w/ Trollie as target. We get nothing from a claim test -> clusterfuck night phase. That's not waffling, that's ~

learning

.~

Yeah, sure, if you felt the need to claim test. But...

The unlyncher claim makes no sense with the mass name claim insistance.

This.

I never found trollie particularly scummy to begin with, but a matt with a genuine scum read doesn't go "oh uh gee I dunno what to do gais :'("

He could maybe say "Trollie is still probably scum but its smartest not to lynch here today."

That's not what he did. He waffled and abdicated responsibility and that's unlike him, and I found him scummy for doing so.

[Amrun]

I never found trollie particularly scummy to begin with, but a matt with a genuine scum read doesn't go "oh uh gee I dunno what to do gais :'("

I think you know me well enough to realize that a lot more thinking went into it than that. Please stop being dense Amrun, it doesn't look right on you.

Yeah but that was me asking you to explain, which you neglected to do.

[Amrun]

But you're correct that her post is what stirred me to reflect on the fact that Trollie was looking less like scum and Amrun never really made that happen for me in a strong way.

Who is "her" in this post? I am confused.

Once again: what is your read on Frequency?

[Amrun]

No, I just didn't understand that post because the antecedents were muddled. I am reading from my phone at work and my attention is just spacey/often interrupted. Somehow today is the busiest day since thirsday? People do not make sense.

I wasn't looking for a scum/town read on Frequency, but reasons. I can see, in hindsight, that this wasn't clear from my phrasing.

I don't understand why dgb's posts made you think long and hard about trollie but mine didn't unless there's a post from her I'm missing (quite possible)

[Amrun]

Not sure why you would ask such a leading question that clearly isn't true, Iecerint. Until that post I had you as strong town.

Meh, you're still likely town but that question was bad.

[Amrun]

can i be town too?

No. Just Matt.

Trollie and MattP are Trollie and MattP.

And these are the only mentions of trollie. Wtf am I missing here? It could be something as monumental as the moon, at this point. My three remaining brain cells are struggling. It's been a long fucking week.

[Amrun]

Not sure why you would ask such a leading question that clearly isn't true, Iecerint. Until that post I had you as strong town.

Meh, you're still likely town but that question was bad.

Only reading self-directed posts is scummy. You appeared to be doing that.

No, most of the posts I've responded to have had nothing to do with me.

I wasn't looking for a scum/town read on Frequency, but reasons.

I think his posts in this game look coached and unnatural and rare.

I don't understand why dgb's posts made you think long and hard about trollie but mine didn't unless there's a post from her I'm missing (quite possible)

Not "long and hard." More like, "oh yeah, there was that Amrun thing, and I've been feeling better about Trollie. OK!"

Who do you think, of the players here, would coach him to pretend to not know how to vote and then lurk? Serious question.

[Amrun]

Who do you think, of the players here, would coach him to pretend to not know how to vote and then lurk? Serious question.

Any number of people? Serious answer.

I guess I disagree then. That is terrible advice.

I expected him to lurk as any alignment, to be honest, at lest until the game thinned out a bit (I mean he was an irl lurker and he's quite new to mafia), but his joke + response to pressure came off as really town to me.

P-edit: I guess I see where you're coming from. I dislike the vagueness of your answer, though. I liked his response to pressure more than the joke itself, though.

[Amrun]

Trollie, how would confirming that your role doesn't corroborate Dan's role change his reaction? If you're telling the truth, wouldn't Dan already know that?

[Amrun]

Glad you liked it

There are just so many things

wrong

with that post, I don't even know where to begin.

So I'll start by asking you what makes you think singer made EITHER of those posts?

How does it matter who made the posts? Do you think this excuses you from responding to Matt's points? Are you claiming hydra dissonance or what?

P-edit: see, an answer of "that's not a comment on Trollietown" is an actual answer. Why not just say that instead of getting so defensive?

P-edit 2: ugh, how does taking back saying Matt is bad in d1 change anything?

[Amrun]

It was the more the post I quoted than the "lol" post.

But still, I took the lol post as trying to cover up defensiveness but it wasn't enough to conclude by itself cuz tone/Internet etc.

I see the quoted post, though, as defensive while lacking content, yes. After I said that you finally did address the points, but I didn't find the defense satisfactory (well, I partially did). I still don't understand your response to the point on Mattp's reads and I'd like some clarification there.

[Amrun]

Trollie, I saw your original questions as very passive.

On second look, your "shut the fuck up" post is not passive at all.

P-edit: oh my god it's been hours since I typed this I'm sure there are seven thousand posts

But I didn't see mattp's argument as based on one head of the hydra making it at all. This may have been an arbitrary thing that I didn't take kt that way, not sure how he meant it. I think your response mostly makes sense but the tone is pretty weird to me.

Not going to respond to the million posts that happened hours after this. (In this post at least)

[Amrun]

Well hello shitstorm. I wish you were more interesting. Axxle wagon is okay but doesn't get me excited.

I have a town read on Grimm, but the way reck said it struck me as off -- this could be a tone/Internet thing, though, not sure.

Gamma, what is your read on triforce?

[Amrun]

Wait what's the scumslip? I just tired-caught up but I didn't see that shit at all.

Fuck dude I feel high. Maybe I should just quit trying until tomorrow...

P-edit: I'm not, but it's boring. I don't care. I don't have a read on axxle, so it's a productive wagon. I can't complain. But I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative.

[Amrun]

I'm not? What the fuck are you talking about?

I literally haven't used one associative tell on anyone. I don't usually do that until a scum flip happens, and certainly not on day 1.

Why did you ask me to do this, when I haven't, and not DGB, who is actively doing that?

[Amrun]

Amrun, please stop trying to build a scumteam around your mistaken impression that reck is scum.

@amrun- not strong enough to care about them right now. don't feel like specifying which way they're leaning.

why do you ask?

You know, in hindsight this really bothers me. How can I have a "mistaken impression" that someone else is scum if I am scum?

I have a town read on Grimm, but the way reck said it struck me as off -- this could be a tone/Internet thing, though, not sure.

You posted this, and you're voting Reck, so I assumed the implication was that Reck was scum with Grimm.

If it was not your intent, please make your intent more clear. <3

My understanding is that she was basically agreeing with us that the way Reck called Grimm town is scum-kissing-obvtown's-ass.

This, basically. It was his wording that made me feel that way.

Maybe my wording was confusing but I am half zombie right now.

[Amrun]

Oops, missed gamma.

I couldn't understand your perspective on triforce from your posts. You were kind of sort of not really treating them as town. You asked the question about tone, which I liked because I was picking up the same thing, but then didn't seem to use that to draw any conclusions about their alignment, which I found strange. Why did you ask that question?

[Amrun]

"But" in that sentence still doesn't imply Grimm is scum. I didn't say "I thought Grimm was town,"'I said he IS town.

[Amrun]

"But" in that sentence still doesn't imply Grimm is scum. I didn't say "I thought Grimm was town,"'I said he IS town.

What is your read on Iecerint exactly?

Still town, but weaker than before.

"But" in that sentence still doesn't imply Grimm is scum. I didn't say "I thought Grimm was town,"'I said he IS town.

Uh, yes you did. Read the sentence again.

I can buy that this was a legit mistake regardless of your alignment. The more interesting part is how accommodating Triforce was.

No, I said I have a town read. Have. Present tense. But was a poor word choice but its still a leap to say I have a scum read on Grimm because of that sentence.

[Amrun]

Well I've never, ever done that as town that I can recall. I don't think most people would. It's not like, a bonafide scum slip but it certainly increases the likelihood of Axxle being scum. I'd like to give him a bit more time, though; if he does post, it will be beneficial to town no matter what.

P-edit: and oh look.

[Amrun]

DGB, he already claimed...

[Amrun]

What a wierd ass-kill

VOTE: KK

Ass-kill? As opposed to a face-kill or an arm-kill?

VOTE: Reck

[Amrun]

Wow what

VOTE: bbmolla

[Amrun]

Why does the DGB kill point to Dan?

Not that his weird defense of the Axxle wagon isn't bad, because it is.

[Amrun]

oh hey

d2

imma sheep someone eqtoday, whosseit gonna b

Why can't I have two votes

[Amrun]

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

irrelevant. her context, her timing of interjections. irrelevant. scum only care about frequency of seeing their name come up. context don't matter at nighttime.

Um, context always matters?

[Amrun]

Who the fuck are you?

When you identify yourself, I will give you town reads with one sentence each. I don't believe in detailing town reads for no reason; it's anti-town.

[Amrun]

It's a general policy of mine. I will give an overview, and I already have for several.

Grimmjow is probably my strongest town read. His posts read genuine, he suspects Reck and Reck buddied him, and in general has been posting things I find more likely to come from a town perspective.

Nuwen because she seemed genuinely interested in whether or not Axxle was actually scum, more so than anyone else on or off the wagon.

Beethoven because I get where he's coming from on just about everything he's (they) posted.

Fate seems like fate-town because he's more interested in lynching his actual scum reads than getting into petty arguments with DGB/reck etc.

Others of varying force etc. but those are my tops.

[Amrun]

Grimmjow is probably my strongest town read. His posts read genuine, he suspects Reck and Reck buddied him, and in general has been posting things I find more likely to come from a town perspective.

it's cute how you twist reality to fit your narrative because you want me to be scum SO FUCKING BAD

also "in general has been posting things more likely to come from a town perspective" is the biggest load of nonspecific noncommittal horse shit I've heard in a long time

Curious.

Is this an accusation of me?

[Amrun]

Who is that directed to?

[Amrun]

lolomgus

Amrun...who's the only person voting for someone in response to being voted? (hint: not you)

I know it's not me, but I am not sure who it is.

[Amrun]

Fate, define "offball reads," because the two suggested targets (me and Dan) were both widely suspected, ESPECIALLY me. So how exactly those are odd reads no one might vote but DGB is beyond me.

[Amrun]

I could get excited for an ActionDan wagon oh yes I could

Bbmolla is being like omg scummy though why is no one voting him with me

[Amrun]

Well Reck is scum. So that's hardly surprising. But if you were calling him on omgus, I will have to disagree since we were cross voting most of yesterday as well.

[Amrun]

Lol k

[Amrun]

Bb, what is your read on Matt?

[Amrun]

Town

Do you have a scum read on trollie? If so, why?

[Amrun]

Oh and why do you read Matt as town (quick overview will do).

[Amrun]

It doesn't make me feel anything.

I lean town on you right now but I have a few reservations that I brought up yesterday. You weren't town enough to make my towntown list and that is a sad thing

[Amrun]

Town

Do you have a scum read on trollie? If so, why?

Oh and why do you read Matt as town (quick overview will do).

Trollie would be battling for whatever his thoughts are a lot harder right now. Instead he's opting to hide and ignore Matt calling him scum. Not town-Trollie-eqsue.

Matt being town is just kind of a general feeling, nothing specific imparticular. Gut.

Actually, I do like that reason to find Trollie scummy, because its the same reason I have him down as scummy. I remember very well Trollie screaming so much while standing accused during the meet upick that Iece about knocked his block off.

He's not even addressing it here, despite clearly only doing drive by posts that usually focus on himself. He could address it even a little bit but he hasn't and it's weird.

BUT why you "retract" this so easily is beyond me. It was te only reason for your voting him, so why didn't your retraction accompany an unvote?

No big catch-up post yet. Trying to stay on top of new posts as I read older ones.

Grimmjow is probably my strongest town read. His posts read genuine, he suspects Reck and Reck buddied him, and in general has been posting things I find more likely to come from a town perspective.

it's cute how you twist reality to fit your narrative because you want me to be scum SO FUCKING BAD

also "in general has been posting things more likely to come from a town perspective" is the biggest load of nonspecific noncommittal horse shit I've heard in a long time

Curious.

Is this an accusation of me?

Actually, it looks like xRECKONERx is calling you town. Scum don't want people to BE scum, just look like scum.

--
The ActionDan wagon sounds like it has merit based on Post 785.

Plus I think I might enjoy seeing MattP cry. Because emotion has no place in mafia.

@MattP - Why does Post 795 not include any of Fate's votes? He made at least 2 on that page alone.

VOTE: ActionDan

Why haven't you shared your thoughts on the older posts you've read?

Why did you answer my post to reck?

Considering you doubt its purity, why are you voting for someone off the wagon? Who on the wagon do you think might have been scum behind the mislynch?

If I had differentiated who was scum on it by now I would have said so. I can only conclude that there are scum on it, but not yet who they are. I still do not have a good idea.

However KK is most likely scum. He has been reading old posts while keeping up with new posts and his best is to hop on a wagon for the "meritorious" reason of DGB calling me scum at the end of yesterday. He has rejected sharing his thoughts on the posts he has read in favor of agreeing with a piece of NK analysis that is altogether superficial and voting on that alone.

That isn't town.

What have you done to attempt to differentiate who was scum on the wagon?

Well Reck is scum. So that's hardly surprising. But if you were calling him on omgus, I will have to disagree since we were cross voting most of yesterday as well.

You should probably take another look at who Reck is voting for and stop being so stupidly egocentric.

^Can someone read that guy for me

Preeeeeeeetty sure Gamma's town.

Actually, it looks like xRECKONERx is calling you town. Scum don't want people to BE scum, just look like scum.

Hi welcome, please stop answering questions for your scumbuddy. Reck is a big boy. He can answer for himself. Also, your jump onto the AD wagon is super terrible.

CES, what's your read on Beethoven?

I know Reck isn't voting me. He's voting you. That's also not omgus. I don't know why just answering who you think is omgusing and why is so hard. Being rude instead is easy, though, I guess.

[Amrun]

So it was an empty statement to look like you were scum hunting without actually scum hunting? Gotcha.

[Amrun]

Reck, would you mind answering the question I asked you?

If you missed it, it will be obvious in ISO. Thanks!

[Amrun]

see like I'd totally support a flash wagon on you and I'd only feel sorta bad if you flipped town

Yeah but I meant did that particular comment come from a place of suspicion. I asked because the language treats me as town, which doesn't make sense with my previously conceived notion that you suspected me.

I'm still not clear.

[Amrun]

Nuwen was scum on the wagon btw, which is probably why she cares to even analyze is.

So analyzing a wagon is a scum tell according to you?

[Amrun]

No, but I think the reason she is even thinking about it is because she was, and I think the reason you're defending her is you're her buddy.

Plz turn this into English

@reck: ok I buy that.

[Amrun]

Oh wait theres a new page. thats a thing.

Okay I feel way better about bb. He's finally picking up on the things that don't make sense about trollie and I feel like its genuine even though he's late to the party.

VOTE: trollie

[Amrun]

No, but I think the reason she is even thinking about it is because she was, and I think the reason you're defending her is you're her buddy.

Plz turn this into English

@reck: ok I buy that.

She was scum on the wagon, thought to herself "Oh I should try to look town by 'finding the scum on wagon'." She then provides 3 possibilities for mislynches.

"No, but I think the reason she is even thinking about [scum on the wagon] is because she was [scum on the wagon], and I think the reason you're defending her is you're her buddy."

I wasn't defending her, though I think she is town so I would have had I thought it necessary.

I was asking to determine YOUR alignment because you are saying nonsensical things.

You do not need to be scum to have it occur to you that scum was on a town wagon. In fact, limiting the lunch pool to one that includes you is a counterintuitive play as scum.

[Amrun]

Facebook just informed me that it's trollie's birthday and now I feel bad for voting him

[Amrun]

Yeah, but the fact that one can imitate something towny as scum does not make the action scummy...?

[Amrun]

Can you not see for yourself?

[Amrun]

Though I do feel like content:post ratio is up today for me.

It is. A+ keep it up

[Amrun]

@gamma: I still have a town(ish) read in iece but it's not all confident. My reason(s) include that he's committing to pushes early, but he's also done some things to Give me pause.

If you could look into my eyes, Iecerint, that's be greeeeeat

[Amrun]

@gamma: I still have a town(ish) read in iece but it's not all confident. My reason(s) include that he's committing to pushes early, but he's also done some things to Give me pause.

If you could look into my eyes, Iecerint, that's be greeeeeat

[Amrun]

If you could look into my eyes, Iecerint, that's be greeeeeat

What's up?

i want to be totally confident in happy fun towniece times

but i am not

i am only like "maybe iece is town probably"

[Amrun]

Trollie has done scummy things, but it made me feel good that he posted about BB's scumminess right after BB's scummy posts, and I don't think anyone else had reflected on them yet.

This is a blatant lie. He quoted me and openly sheeped me when he voted. How on EARTH did you come to this conclusion?

[Amrun]

Okay, but regardless, if Trollie wasn't the only one on the BB wagon, or the first, how can he be the first one to note BB's scumminess? The votecounts reflected that on Sunday, too.

[Amrun]

yes

[Amrun]

Nuwen what do you mean by sitcom special? Can you point to a game this happened in

You make a narrative, usually an angry one.

The curtain opens, enter a hunched-over man stage left.

At center stage he stands upright. The audience sees a tall, haggard drunk with a perfectly-proportioned head.

UHHHHHH I DON'T THINK SO I'M THE

GOD-DAMNED COP

AND MY REPLACEE DIDN'T SUBMIT AN ACTION NIGHT 1, THEN INVESTIGATED AN OBVIOUS TOWN PERSON NIGHT 2.

I think we should lynch DerpAFuck today guys. Who's with me? DerpAFuck only wants to lynch me because he knows it's the only path to victory.

Additionally, I haven't posted until this point because my Cat-Brakes Caught on Fire and needed to be replaced, so I took the weekend off to avoid doing that and post here instead. Now I'm going to drink because you're all IDIOTS and not listening to me!

As much as I don't think I agree with this, this post is HILARIOUS.


Still reading Nuwen as so town it hurts. I just don't know why all you people keep trying to VOTE her

stop it, she's town okay

[Amrun]

WOW i didn't even see your post to ces

i don't know how

in any case, have my opinion of nuwen too for funsies

[Amrun]

I feel like she opened herself to some REALLY EASY attacks re: her behavior on the Axxle wagon if she knew he was going to flip town. She also seems actually concerned with Reck's alignment as well.

[Amrun]

well I don't think he is obvtown so to me they are very germane

[Amrun]

I have zero read on CES and I expect night actions to sort that out.

CDB is definitely on my "this thing is not town" list, but there are so many other shinier things. He has seemed EXTREMELY strapped for time lately, unrelated to game, so I thought it better to give him a little breathing room and get a more solid read on him later when he was less busy.

[Amrun]

Reading your post doesn't obligate me to agree with you.

[Amrun]

Why would you say that shit, ap.

I've been ignoring them for the same tinfoil hat that they might be a cop, but it's not how I'd play a cop so I was like eeh. but still I thought to let it ride.

Important question though -- iece, were you thinking this too?

[Amrun]

Important question though -- iece, were you thinking this too?

Why are you asking me this?

If I tell you why, it might affect your answer. Can you trust that I have reasons?

[Amrun]

Iece is town.

townTOWNtowntownTOWN

[Amrun]

Yes but I have had my look into my eyes moment and it makes me happy

And maybe someone else didn't know you were town!! Now they do!

[Amrun]

I never said Iecerint is 100% town -- that implies a bonafide townslip. I don't think that's what we're looking at here, but I still think his behavior today, given that he thought Triforce might be a cop, is not how he would behave as scum. I was already leaning town on him, but in light of this I will probably not ever be interested in lynching him.

Nuwen, do you think Iece is town or scum? Your language implies both at the same time so I'm confused.

Dan, though --

VOTE: ActionDan

[Amrun]

Nuwen, y u no answer my question

[Amrun]

Nuwen: Well then why did you say that it looks like I (and others, but you didn't name them by name) know his alignment because my towntell on him is exaggerated, in your opinion? I took that to mean you think I am scum who knows he's town. Do you think we are scum together, then? Or am I misunderstanding that post entirely?

[Amrun]

Nuwen: Well then why did you say that it looks like I (and others, but you didn't name them by name) know his alignment because my towntell on him is exaggerated, in your opinion? I took that to mean you think I am scum who knows he's town. Do you think we are scum together, then? Or am I misunderstanding that post entirely?

Asking yourself "what if I'm wrong" is not only how you become a better person, but also a better mafia player

Okay, but you posted a paragraph on Iecerint that included both sides of the issue without delineation and then thought your read on Iecerint should be "obvious." That isn't obvious at all. When you did this with Axxle, I followed along, but I am a little bit uncomfortable because your progression on Iecerint makes no sense at all to me.

[Amrun]

Grimmjow is probably my strongest town read. His posts read genuine, he suspects Reck and Reck buddied him, and in general has been posting things I find more likely to come from a town perspective.

How does Reck buddying Grimjow have any bearing on Grim's alignment?

If Reck is town, I trust his read on Grimm pretty well.

If Reck is scum, I don't think he'd buddy Grimm in that fashion. Grimm was scumreading Reck pretty strongly at the time. It felt like an appeal to get on his good side.

In addition, I thought Grimm was town myself for his own posting.

[Amrun]

14) MattP - Town I think. Wish he'd freaking post.

I just don't have like any time right now, and it's going to be for awhile (my test is aug 9th), this is the biggest moment of my life so far in regards to success and I'm just very preoccupied. :/ If people think I should replace I will, but I promise 150% starting june 10th, and I will try every five or so days to be productive until then, starting this upcoming Monday. If I fuck up and don't do it just stab me in Baltimore spirit.

Don't replace out, please!! I will possibly cry. I forgot to say this before.

[Amrun]

Zdenek, where have I complimented Reck's posting?

And idk what you are talking about with gamma. How questioning someone is buddying them idk. First of all, I wouldn't say I noted the same thing about Triforce's tone if I noted something different. That doesn't make sense. I noted anger AND defensiveness. I was conflicted about gamma from that, which I specifically said, because he's noting the same thing I did (town tell) but not using it to draw conclusions (scum tell). My read of Triforce evolved from null -> scum -> town on day 1 and I'm not sure where in the process that exchange occurred, but it's was probably over a transitional period. For the record, I have a town read on them both now, but stronger on Triforce.

Also, I think it's perfectly clear how my read of Matt changed because I liked his case on Triforce: for the better. Matt is likely town.

Your confusion on Iecerint is more understandable. I have had a lot of doubt about Iecerint early on, at a few key times -- when I noted his weird phrasing to me, and when I said he lied. Both times, he responded satisfactorily. My doubts were not put to rest until recently.


For Triforce or anyone else interested, I have a recently completed scum game: Vi's large theme Mafia of the Raptured. I'm on phone so I won't link but that's enough to find it.

[Amrun]

That's just agreeing that Reck is posting MORE content -- not that it is town content. I forgot I said that, though. In any case, I like all the people here (it's an invitational after all) and would like them all to participate in the game regardless of my read on them.

I don't know if I commented specifically on anger by using the word anger (on phone right now), but I think I did. In the VERY least, it is implied because I agreed with gamma. And the anger and defensiveness were linked in mind -- I thought they were using anger as a defense mechanism. I still think that, actually, but I think maybe they also happen to be town being defensive because they were getting scumread.

And just because I don't comment on every little thing in thread about how my reads are changing -- and I DO comment on major shifts -- doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think doing so is counterintuitive. I get reads by questioning people and seeing how they react to things -- not big flashy things like fake dayvigs most of the time, but small things. Informing people where I am going with a certain line of questioning/action can affect the things I am looking for by doing them. Sometimes my intent is obvious anyway but that's just life. I didn't assume, at first, that gamma was drawing no conclusion. I only learned that by talking to him.

[Amrun]

That's a really good pick up on contradiction Re: Nuwen. I didn't catch that.

I'd like to see KK's response to that.

[Amrun]

Trollie is scum for ignoring my latest post and giving a formulaic response to Channel instead.

That was quite scummy, yeah.

[Amrun]

I would go for CDB rather than Triforce, but I will be skeptical of Triforce if they don't wow me, say, D3.

I have a particular theory for what's going on with Triforce today. I could be mistaken, but it's enough for me to not want to push them until tomorrow.

My enthusiasm for BB is kind of middling, but I do not have reasons for pushing him back to tomorrow.

I don't see posts like these happening from an Iecerint who knows he just got investigated and probably returned a guilty. It's also not what I'd expect from a godfather Iece or something who is scum but returned an innocent. It reads like "I think this person might be a cop but I don't want them to claim until they have a guilty," which I think is how Iece would behave if he were actually scumhunting.

[Amrun]

amrun pops into conversations like its her job, amrun is scum

Is this like, a real post?

Because that's town's job, not scum's. kind of the point of the game.

[Amrun]

Dan's town, yo.

Why?

[Amrun]

Since she wrote it and it's pretty obvious, I think it was her sending me on a silly task.

Do you really still think that? I think it's pretty hard to interpret that post as "reck is town now."

[Amrun]

That I was sending you on a silly task.

[Amrun]

But the thing I posted doesn't qualify as any of the things you said. It had nothing to do with Reck's alignment, and it wasn't even saying I liked his posting -- ALL it said was "you have posted more content today, good job." Do you think I would not also want my scumreads to post content?

[Amrun]

You don't think that saying that his content to posts ratio or whatever it was is A+ is complementing his posting?

No.

[Amrun]

I knew you what you meant, and the answer is still no.

[Amrun]

No, I think he responded to it just didn't answer the question.

[Amrun]

2009?

[Amrun]

You are literally the only person in existence who would read that in that way.

Is this to me or Zdenek? Kind of confused.

[Amrun]

Do you just like completely ignore context clues and not use your brain?

It's you. What you said is pretty objectively a fucking compliment (KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK & A+ I MEAN REALLY) regarding my POSTING.

How you can say that can be interpreted any other way is fucking insane.

On a different note, I don't think you're scum, because this is just way too fucking idiotic to be coming from a scum player, because I'd have to imagine you'd have an entire scumteam in your Quicktopic going NO FUCKING STOP WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING STOP POSTING NOW WE ARE GOING TO WRITE THE REST OF YOUR POSTS FOR YOU FROM HERE ON OUT JUST TAKE A VACATION

I thought it was me, but just checking.

I can see how he would interpret it that way, but in basic parallel structure, that is not what my post meant.

You said, "I feel like my content to post ratio is up today." I said, essentially, "Yes, it is," which I wanted to encourage because you are easier to read that way. That doesn't mean the content is good; it doesn't, in fact, comment on the quality of the content AT ALL.

In other news, where are you getting daytalk from? How do you know that?

[Amrun]

Normally when town people are pleased that player X is posting more, it is because player X was formerly a middling scum read or null read and the extra content made it into a town read.

I actually think that Amrun is town, but I do think that the above is true and it is different from what Amrun is claiming about her intentions AFAICT.

That's why I said I understand his interpretation in hindsight, but I didn't mean it that way, so that's why it didn't even cross my mind when Zdenek brought it up.

Zdenek, it's not busy to work to prove your OWN accusations, and I was on my phone anyway so I don't actually give a fuck.

[Amrun]

Maybe because afterwards Frequency said it was a joke?

[Amrun]

Maybe because afterwards Frequency said it was a joke?

You're puzzling me Amrun.

Would you ever have expected him to come out in the thread and say that he in fact pretended to not know how to vote?

No. But Frequency's explanation of the joke came AFTER that post by Beethoven; why is it odd that he found it convincing? (I did.)

[Amrun]

Uh... okay. I disagree.

[Amrun]

Nuwen, why unvote without replacing a vote?

[Amrun]

What is this periphery shit? Like, I'm literally being voted for "being in too many conversations" and "staying on the periphery" at the same exact time. It's complete bullshit. Dan just repeating the word zdenek used but without mentioning zdenek shows he is sheeping zdenek but hiding it.

Dan, I switched my vote to you because of your horrible, awful mess of a Fate vote. I didn't mention it at the time because I was hoping to get your attention with a somewhat naked vote.

It didn't work. Your unvote of Fate and moving back to KK was EVEN WORSE.

[Amrun]

Oh, and Trollie is still scum, not like I even need to say that.

[Amrun]

?

Vote him then?

I'd rather vote Dan just I'm case Trollie's scumminess is mostly because he's lurking and not paying attention when he catches up. Perhaps if he really engages with the game the things that make him so scummy will stop. UNLIKELY, but Dan is both scummy and here, so I prefer that.


Dan, I've been engaging just about everyone in some form. That's the opposite of periphery.

I've probably been a bit lax pushing my scumreads lately since neither have been posting very much and most people see how scummy they are anyway, though.

Which reminds me -- CDB, you never answered my question. Why is Dan town?

[Amrun]

Fate: doesn't have a reason.

Fate has very explicit reasons. It's kind of hard to miss them.

Also, you voting for Fate is NOT the only reason I'm voting for you -- I've been giving reasons I suspect you all along, and that's so disingenuous to try and reduce it to that.

But the Fate vote convinced me to vote you over my other major scumread, Trollie.

The vote on Fate (and mostly the reasoning for it) felt very poor, as if you were attacking his playstyle and not thinking about how it relates to his alignment. Almost everyone here has played with Fate a lot, so that wasn't going to fly, but it really felt like that's what you were doing, like a last dash hope to get a good wagon going on your biggest detractor.

When you replaced your vote on KK it was bad because you just said "Oh, I guess I was wrong about him being town." You don't actually have any scumreads? For real? One of those two things must have been ingenuine, either you saying you changed your mind or that you were wrong -- I can't see both of them being true, because it doesn't make sense.

[Amrun]

Welp, not obvious to see to me. Unless you're intimating that her "revelation" about BB and Trollie was secretly a breadcrumb, which would be

Oh, and this is the one major thorn in my side about Nuwen.

I agree with her on Triforce, but THAT -- that is just too much. I don't see how she could really have drank that koolaid.

[Amrun]

I assumed AD's post was a masons softclaim

that was the idea I wanted to put into people's heads. ^_^ When you unvoted I was happy you figured it out (well figured out what I wanted you to figure out). So I guess you can be town from just that. You probably shouldn't vote him again though, if you are.

Like, it was even explicitly addressed in thread that this wasn't the case.

I don't really see scum motivation for still doggedly sticking to that bad theory, either, though. So I'm a little confused on it.

[Amrun]

Oh I missed that, cdb -- sorry. It's be great if you'd find that. Shouldn't you be more interested in defending someone in danger of being lynched, if you think he's town?

[Amrun]

Trollie and Zdenek should make better use of their votes.

Like, I said, I'd move to Trollie.

On that front, at the moment, I am trying to decide if TheTrollie is playing the throw-a-vote-down-on-a-buddy and lurk game while Amrun is playing the FoS-buddy-vote-townie game.

Well I've been voting Trollie for most of the day, but disregarding that, why would that make you want to vote me over trollie...?

[Amrun]

omg

fate and reck are the only two people being good at this game.

also i actually didnt know there was an AD wagon going on.

VOTE: ad

and before any of yall fucks tell me that was a scummy move

(4) I would lynch the fuck out of AD just because i cant read him and i dont trust his silly D1 bullshit

Omg

I kinda wanna switch now

But ima stay strong

[Amrun]

VOTE: Trollie

Claim. You're at L-1 now.

[Amrun]

BBmolla, why on earth did you unvote without replacing your vote?

VOTE: ActionDan

Dont' want to lynch trollie today.

[Amrun]

For Matt to what?

[Amrun]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't vote.

[Amrun]

It does mean he cant funvote

Please stop being bad, I expect so much from you and you constantly let me down??????????????? WTF

What are you even saying with this post?

[Amrun]

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

This.

This makes me so happy.

So happy you didn't cop Fate like I thought you did.

Btw.

VOTE: Fate

what in the actual fuck

explain this

NOW

[Amrun]

Actually I'll indulge you Amrun. Nuwen crumbed COP in big fat bold letters. she was insisting that Fate was town. She previously said that she'd leave Reck and Fate to read each other D1. Hmmmmm. That was the only reason I unvoted Fate. Now that Nuwen has said she didn't use her power (btw Nuwen at this stage don't play with that [if you are, you are wifoming more than just scum]), that means she doesn't actually have an innocent on Fate.

When did you suddenly realize nuwen was a cop?

[Amrun]

Well, AD's momentum is all gone. FATE

He is SCUMZ you abandon me

AD, I still want an answer to my question, please.


Reck is right in that Fate is being really anti-town, and Reck has rarely looked so town to me as he has in these recent posts, but I really don't think Fate would do something that blatantly dumb as scum.

If there's anyone's read I trust on Nuwen it's Fate. Honestly, I still think it's much better to leave Nuwen alive for tonight. That being said, her vote on Reck is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad in all sorts of lovely ways. I didn't like when and how the claim came to be, either, and that it contained an apology for scumminess.


y can't we lynch AD plzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Amrun]

Yup.

I have felt Nuwen was town the whole game, and only halfway through today has that begun to falter at all.

I'd much rather vote someone that I PERSONALLY feel confident is scum.


IF the wagons narrow to Fate/Nuwen, it's pretty clear where my chips will fall, but I'm not going to arbitrarily narrow myself to those choices just yet.

[Amrun]

And also, if we lynch her, I'd rather lynch her with a result -- I mean, I thought that was a given, but given that question in the first place, maybe it's not as obvious as I thought. There's always the chance that if she's town, scum will kill her tonight, too.

[Amrun]

Like I don't really get why people DON'T want to lynch her with a result. Regardless of the flip, that's really valuable information?

[Amrun]

BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING SHE'S ACTUALLY TOWN AND NOT SOME SCUM PR TRYING TO BUY HERSELF A NIGHT.

Um, no I'm not?

I do support whomever it was that asked her for a flavor claim, though.

@Beet:

Nuwen: Openly conflicted, but scum now. My thoughts on her are pretty much an open book, if you just read my posts.
Trollie: When I thought he was in the neighborhood, I thought that was pretty town of him to open himself to such scrutiny. Now, I don't see why the wagon has dissolved on him. Fate/Reck unconfirmed neighborhood seems like a perfect way to make the town dissolving into skullfucks, which it has. Seems like a pretty scummy choice. He said he did it because it would be "funny," which isn't town motivated.
Triforce: Has been pretty scummy today, and I think gamma stated it best. Reads like they gave up their angry because they realized it wasn't making them friends, but didn't want to stray too far. That being said, I can see how this might come from them as town, too. I would rather see some flips to evaluate them by, first, but it could go the other way around, too. Would support a Triforce wagon.
Reck: Used to think he was scummy, but his thing with Fate-neighbor read really genuine. Fairly happy placing him in the town pile for now.


p-edit: Yes, Nuwen should full claim, I agree.

If I were 100% confident that Nuwen was scum, I would want her dead today regardless. I'm more confident on AD. I do think that even if she's scum, having a result is beneficial to town, though.

p-edit: OMG SO MANY NINJAS

KK WTF IS THAT VOTE

[Amrun]

A Hermit Card from Shadow Hunters.

"Kill the claimed cop role" is a pile of horseshit. My role is exponentially more useful as the game continues. I expect DOCTORS and TRACKERS to target me, because I'm not going to be lynched by Fate's whim. His read his poor, and he hasn't demonstrated why I'm scum.

nuwen will be around to revote when she realizes nobody else is actually going to lynch reck today

accurate.

Please explain.

[Amrun]

Beethoven and Cogito Ergo Sum are the towniest of town for their reaction BTW.

Why is that?

[Amrun]

Beethoven and Cogito Ergo Sum are the towniest of town for their reaction BTW.

Why is that?

Beethoven - iso 143-149 - That type of cluelessness cannot be easily faked by scum.
Cogito Ergo Sum - iso 34 - He's got townie intuition.

Now vote TheTrollie since you have no objection to anything I've posted.

Trollie is almost definitely not getting lynched today. Support me on ActionDan, who has an outside chance.

[Amrun]

WAIT A MINUTE


wait a minute wait a minute


SINGER

You and I hydraed a game of Shadow Hunters where Faraday was David or some shit and Mina was on our team!! We won together!

wtf

[Amrun]

woooololooo pseudo kinda limited power claim with no role name that NOBODY has even bothered to ask for.

I've asked 2 times now actually. Thanks. You arent bussing Nuwen, are you?

Of course. Because two scum buddies both claiming investigative power will NEVER GO HORRIBLY WRONG.

Triforce breadcrumbs info role.
Nuwen claims info role with no name, admits to being scummy, and begs for one more night.
Triforce REALLY WANTS NUWEN DEAD.
Conclusion? THEY MUST BE SCUMBUDDIES.
Are you drunk?

We will concede that you have asked for a name, although second time was missed because ninja post. That doesn't make the original lack of a name claim any less egregious.


PEDIT
Also, did anybody know of Mina or Faraday playing Shadow Hunters? Did anybody send in Shadow Hunters as a significant idea for use in the invitational? Because the only time I saw SH being played, they weren't there, and I don't think of one random game out of many as being role-worthy

who made this post

i seriously need to know

[Amrun]

VOTE: triforce

what you are doing is bad and you should feel bad

I don't like teehee we are almost kind of but not really counterclaiming. No.

[Amrun]

Yeah I mean they just claimed limited investigative. Which is basically the same thing that Nuwen did. So.

So what?

It's not about the roles in question, it's about their behavior surrounding their "counterclaim," which is ridiculous. Also singer just straight up "forgot" an entire game of Shadow Hunters she played and idk, I mean I don't what to think of that. She could have forgotten it, but it makes my gut do funny things. The scum motivation to "forget" that is quite big, there.

[Amrun]

What is the relevance of the Shadow Hunters game? Is the implication that Nuwen's unclaimed rolename might be related to that?

Did you miss her flavor claim?


CES, it makes more sense as coming from scum than coming from town, imo, though it doesn't make much sense as either. Care to enlighten me?

[Amrun]

I don't like teehee we are almost kind of but not really counterclaiming. No.

You don't have to like it, but let's not pretend this makes sense as a scum play. Town are often in this place where they want to share certain pieces of information but no more than that.

But see she was also attacking Nuwen for doing exactly that. It's pretty damn hypocritical.

this

[Amrun]

Yeah, singer probably forgot.

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how your claims have progressed throughout the game.

[Amrun]

It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.

So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?

[Amrun]

Because Triforce questioned the validity of Nuwen's flavorclaim by questioning if Mina and Faraday ever played Shadow Hunters at the meet, despite having played with them.

But the latter part is probably not relevant -- I was just eating paranoia flakes for a little bit. The former part is still scummy.

[Amrun]

Well, see, even if Mina and Faraday had never played shadow hunters, it was still a weird detraction because we all know everyone submitted ideas.

[Amrun]

It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.

So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?

Pretty sure we weren't talking about. Also pretty sure that's another thing I don't care about.

.....which is why we originally asked if people had submitted that but rescinded it because that's probably breaking the rules.

The ongoing games rule doesn't work in that direction, silly.

Well, that was part of what I was talking about.

But since you weren't, I don't think the town play is to imply that you have a counterclaim but are trying to hide it, and then when it's brought to the forefront, retract that.


Triforce, then you have no reason not to fullclaim. Why wouldn't you claim your role name, after all that happened?

p-edit: gamma ninja

[Amrun]

how about VOTING or something hten, bb

[Amrun]

MUST RESIST URGE TO VOTE CDB

[Amrun]

Not today, no, but Fate, I don't understand why Trollie is suddenly not scum.

[Amrun]

Fate, why does Trollie's claim make him less likely to be scum? I don't think it does. Having a town read on him regardless of that is one thing, but the claim doesn't make him town.

But I mean, I agree that he isn't the right move right now.

Why not vote Triforce?

I would vote BBmolla, yeah, I mean he was so scummy at the beginning of today that it literally bowled me over, but he's not nearly as informative OR as problematic OR as likely to be scum as one of the clusterfucks today.

[Amrun]

Neighborizing Fate and reck N1 is a decent enough towntell for Trollie (cuz it means he probably didn't do the kill and it's a kinda useless ability, but scum may just have a goon, anyway), but it's weaker than the above.

a. No decent scumteam would have had Trollie do the scumkill n1, and any scumteam here is surely decent.

b. His ability is not a towntell in any way, shape, or form, and the use of such an ability in that way is scummy, not townish.


I think Dan is scum, and I don't think that it is possible that he has anything that might confirm Nuwen as town as ANY alignment, unless it is an ability he used and not flavor "confirmation." He is implying the latter. This makes me slightly less interested in flipping Nuwen before Dan, but I already wanted to flip Dan first anyway.

I don't think it's odd that more than one poor investigative ability might exist; I don't think it's a given, either, and I don't think it's a given that if they do exist, they are Nuwen and Triforce. I think Triforce's play surrounding their evolving claim is highly suspect.

What do you think of Triforce right now? Why?


I guess you're right that scum isn't more likely to be in the clusterfucks except that my scumreads reside there. :/ I THINK scum is definitely in there somewhere, and I believe that flipping one of them will be the MOST informative lynch possible and have a really good chance of hitting scum.

p-edit:

Reck, as scummy as molla is, he is far from the first to posit that idea. I have, and I wasn't the first, either.

If Trollie had thought about it that way, MAYBE, but he clearly didn't. He did it because he thought it would be "funny," ie it would create drama and you guys would turn on each other. That's not town motivated. At all.

Someone else has posited that one of you are scum, and I don't ascribe to that particular theory but there you go.

[Amrun]

Why did you pick Reck and Fate, Trollie?

cuz its funny as fuck and cuz i think fate might be scum

[Amrun]

I think your views here are valid, but I think the simplest interpretation is that Triforce and Nuwen are both town and investigative. Otherwise, we have to believe in an AD-Nuwen scumteam, and/or it will be dealt in the nightgame one way or the other if we are lucky.

Why are you discounting Triforce seeing an opportunity to softlclaim a result on you earlier today and taking it?

From my POV Triforce's play through ALL of D2 was basically a VERY LOUD softclaim result on me. Even without a flip!

I mean it was so obvious that it was independently picked up on by at least 3 parties (Iec, Beethoven, Amrun, maybe someone else too).

Eh, you know...

I mean, I noted this before, but that's why it should never have been spoken of, because now we can never know if they might be scum who did this on accident and seized on the chance to explain it properly.

I REALLY, REALLY want Triforce to fullclaim. REALLY A LOT.

I think my vote has to stay there until that happens, and then evaluate based on that.

But this conversation with you has made me re-think my stance on abandoning Trollie wagon for the day. If I were to move my vote, it would be onto Trollie.

But why did you say AD and Nuwen would have to be scum together? Why can't AD be scum and Nuwen be town, or vice versa?

[Amrun]

But why did you say AD and Nuwen would have to be scum together? Why can't AD be scum and Nuwen be town, or vice versa?

I think you're reading it wrong. NuwenScum means ADScum. ADScum doesn't say much about Nuwen.

I personally think AD is town, so that colors the probabilities on NuwenScum. I appreciate that this doesn't do much for you because you're also scumreading AD.

I don't think Nuwenscum means ADscum, just raises the chances of ADscum. I also don't think ADtown = Nuwentown, because if he is basing his decision off of flavor, he is almost definitely wrong imo. It might mean Nuwentown if I'm wrong about BOTH AD being scum AND about him basing it off of flavor in some way, but I'm not particularly concerned about this b/c I think Dan is scum, so I'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

[Amrun]

Mmmm. My immediate response to Trollie neighborizing us was to put the townread I had on Fate onto him for the same reasons. Now, I think he's MORE LIKELY town than scum because scum with that ability is kinda weird, and on top of that I don't think his scumteam would say "Yes, neighborize Fate & Reck".

Unless Nuwen is his scumbuddy and did that to try and create strife because she's almost the only one who would be that crafty w/r/t the Reck/Fate dynamic.

I don't see it as a particularly unlikely scum ability, given that he's not in the neighborhood himself. I guess I understand hesitating to scumbuddy approval, but I think you're wrong about Nuwen being the only one.

[Amrun]

For the record, I would have predicted you guys turn on each other eventually, at least a 50% chance.

[Amrun]

Yes!! Danlynch!!! Yes!!

[Amrun]

Wut?

[Amrun]

BB, that is the BEST role ever.

And I think it was a good time to use it.

I also would like more pressure on Triforce. I want one of {Triforce, Dan, Trollie} to be lynched today. Any of these that gain traction will receive my vote.

[Amrun]

also as a minor thing can i point out that 'i have nothing to hide' is a meaningless scum platitude that literally had no reason to be said and also that saying that and proceeding to not fullclaim is actually mindblowingly retarded in terms of words meaning the things they are defined to mean

Yeah, I noted that. Literally scoffed and eyerolled in real life.

"I have nothing to hide!" /proceeds to hide

[Amrun]

wait, bb, you're STILL not voting anyone, are you?

-sigh-

[Amrun]

Triforce, pretty sure that no matter how bad I am at mafia, at least I don't go out of my way to insult people, so I'm pretty good with myself. Thanks.

[Amrun]

Amrun, I don't give a shit what you have to say because I'm just letting you know how wrong you are and I guess you can't seem to handle that

How "wrong" I am? About what? No, actually, you're just calling me names, and I'm handling it just fine. You're embarrassing yourself, actually.

What do you want for defending me -- a cookie? Scum defend the weaker links of the town all the time, so much so that there's a name for it: "white knighting." It isn't my fault that you're being lynched right now, but deflect harder. It won't help you.

p-edit: I'm good with my vote on Triforce for now... thanks.

[Amrun]

In this town? Of course I am. That was going to be true before the game ever started.

[Amrun]

Is there anything that I actually need to read out of the ten pages that were generated today?

Yes, everything. Once we get some flips it will be a goldmine.

[Amrun]

Here's your Triforce wagon. Votesie?

p-edit: zdenek wtf

[Amrun]

No.

And literally two people that I can think of suspect you. So really, wtf zdenek?

[Amrun]

Don't be retarded BB.

[Amrun]

I'm tired of being called retarded.

Shit, man.

It's like people literally need to browbeaten into being productive.

[Amrun]

Dude, you have no idea what's even going on, do you?

[Amrun]

No, Matt, Zdenek.

Zdenek, BBmolla isn't voting for you because Reck will prevent you from being lynched, not whatever really wrong reason you just said, and self-voting 24 hours from deadline with unconsolidated wagons is one of the most anti-town things to occur in a long line of anti-town things done in this game.

I'm going to attempt to stop posting now unless it becomes necessary for whatever reason -- my stances are clear.

[Amrun]

............ what?

[Amrun]

That has nothing to do with how many votes Reck has?

[Amrun]

Come on, now. Fate definitely had a role.

[Amrun]

No unvotes. Stahp. Why is this happening?

Half counterclaims maybe I'm -- vanilla, oh but STIL NO FLAVORCLAIM?

No way.


Did DGB teach you guys nothing? Piecemeal claims are SCUM.

[Amrun]

I want to lynch Triforce. I think Triforce is scum. I am upset because I think if the lynch on them falls apart here, it will never happen.

But if a random herpaderp lynch is going to happen today, why, for the love of God, would it not happen to CDB or Kublai Kahn?

Fate, scum doesn't pout in THREAD about not being in the town bloc. Come on.

CDB and Kublai Kahn are both far more informative as well.

This is assuming neither Triforce or Dan can happen, which WHY WOULD THIS BE TRUE I AM DISTRESSED

[Amrun]

That's all you have to say about what has happened, kk? That's IT?

[Amrun]

Zdenek, put your fucking vote down on Triforce. Jesus Christ.

[Amrun]

Honestly, he could put it anywhere but himself right now and it would be better than whatever he is doing right now.

[Amrun]

Fate, people have been poking at kk and cdb all game. Cdb also made your list from before.

Almost no one has been poking at beet.

Like, it's not that I'd miss him if he was gone, but I don't think he's the best lynch. Also I'm a teensy bit butthurt over the whole Triforce and AD suddenly off the table thing, considering they're my two strongest scumreads. I don't want to compromise onto a town lean of all things.

KK and CDB are at least both SCUMMY.

[Amrun]

Matt, can you explain to me the reason for UNvoting Triforce post-vt claim?

Like maybe there's something really obvious I'm missing here.

Whatever, town bloc activate gogogo

VOTE: beethoven

[Amrun]

why*

Dan, I'm confused. Are you vouching for both Beethoven and nuwen?

[Amrun]

Can we flash wagon kk??? Plz????

VOTE: KK

His posts today have been so scummy I am happy with this yay

[Amrun]

Actually beethoven's claim is bad because his crumb doesn't make sense.

But Dan is vouching for his claim, and you wanted to trust Dan, so like. You're making no sense to me right now, fate.


If rather just lynch Dan but y'know... That's clearly not going to happen either.

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

Fate, you think Dan is town.

I don't follow at all.

P-edit: yeah, I'm fence sitting, straight up. I don't have a strong opinion on Beethoven which is why I thought it was a stupid flash wagon in the first place.

His claim is bad because its not how I would crumb, but fits otherwise, so it's just a sack of shit I'd rather sort out later.

Dan will sort itself out, even if we don't lynch him, so waiting for his alignment to fuck with the people he's confirming makes the most sense.

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

Makes no fucking sense, idk.

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

Makes no fucking sense, idk.

makes no sense but unwilling to vote beethoven scum?

Fostering the confusing


Amrun for scumpres 2013

No, it doesn't make sense for Dan, not for Beethoven...


It didn't occur to me that scum might think to claim something 1-shot, though -- I had no idea that that had anything to do with Dan's thing with Nuwen. In this case, it might make sense, yeah, but can you point me to where you got this impression? Because Triforce claimed a 1-shot thing and Dan counterclaimed then. Am I missing something important? I'm at work so half-attention

[Amrun]

To be fair, Amrun, we didn't really claim. It was also implied "limited" as opposed to one-shot so Dan wouldn't have had a reason to believe it.

Also to be fair, we considered claiming a one-shot ability but it had nothing to do with thinking Dan would defend us because of it.

Okay so you didn't get that impression either, is what I'm gathering?

I want to make sure I'm not just huffing glue or something.

[Amrun]

Right, because that's totlly how is treat a buddy! Makes total sense. (Not.)

KK is really fucking scum and when I have computer access, I'll explain a little bit.

[Amrun]

Yeah I don't even know of anyone who still suspected Reck? I'll have to go and read back.

I have no idea why one would assume Reck vig over gamma vig.

[Amrun]

Neither of them make sense as vig kills to me, tbh, but I agree that one of them PROBABLY was. No guarantee, though.

[Amrun]

I think KK is REALLY scummy, but I cba to phone post about it.

Have decided trollie is probably town, as a reversal from yesterday, ftr.

[Amrun]

Did I not vote kk?

VOTE: Kk

[Amrun]

VOTE: Kublai Kahn

[Amrun]

Also, with a bunch of info soft claims, pretty obvious why bb is alive? But I guess it's not obvious to everyone so maybe I'm wrong?

[Amrun]

Well, I meant they might be worried about either being caught killing bb, or bb being protected as we hadn't had any protective claims either that ended up being legit.

But idk.

[Amrun]

Overexcitement?

Who wouldn't get excited when they see something really scummy with a chance to make it happen?

It so happens that I overestimated my chance to make it happen, but whatever.


I second the request for CES claim.

[Amrun]

Does that question mean "how is BBmolla confirmed town?" :/

[Amrun]

Amrun is obviously town ^ there in case anyone couldn't tell.

In this town? Of course I am. That was going to be true before the game ever started.

I'm going to point out that these posts weren't even tangentially related. Context, and basic comprehension of human English, tells you this is true. I was responding to Triforce there.

I am the MTGS Cube. I honestly have no idea what that is. I THINK it might be a magic card, but nothing even came up when I googled it. My flavor says it cost a lot of money and that there's another card in the deck that lets it flush cards down the toilet or something like that. Looks like the mods also weren't sure wtf it was, so I think it might be something someone submitted.

In any case, I'm a 1-shot Vanillizer and I Vanillized CDB last night. I went after KK today because they're my two biggest scumreads after the clusterfuck of yesterday, and KK might be roled scum but CDB definitely isn't, now.

So whatever, lynch me if you want. P annoyed with this game.

[Amrun]

VOTE: cdb

Is that a non-vanilla claim?

Liar, liar, pants-on-fire.

[Amrun]

Oh, you meant non-mafia-related role, i see. So you know I vanillized you, by that deflective answer, and yet still...

Yeah, my vote's in the right place.

[Amrun]

Do you have any links to games where you WOULDN'T get a pm?

It doesn't say in my role pm, though. :/

[Amrun]

What? I don't understand your role at all, Dan.

And why isn't THAT role scummy? (It is.)

[Amrun]

So you are a role cop? And think that is a townish role? What? Like I said, I don't understand. They don't conflict anyway.

Asked faramina about the pm issue, though.

[Amrun]

That isn't a confliction, and I think you're scum anyway, so I'm not too worried about it. It means I'll probably get lynched today, I guess, but hopefully when I die, people will turn around and lynch you, so it's cool.

No wonder you didn't want to claim properly.

[Amrun]

Jesus, I really need CDB to claim.

I probably won't get support, though.

I got an answer from Faramina.

CLAIM, CDB

[Amrun]

I DID consider it.

But everyone else seems to think he's town, and I didn't trust myself enough. :/ Also, since he's already on the table and saying his powers support 1-shot claims, I thought it was pretty likely he was a 1-shot power of some sort and had already used it. Plus, he would be forced to claim eventually so town would know what was up regardless, whereas between you/kk, they're going under the radar.

[Amrun]

[Amrun]

I don't see why. He vouched for scum and nuwen, which how I don't even know. Nuwen's probably town, so idk even know what to make of it, tbh. Idk how claiming rolecop who vouched for scum makes him town. Maybe I'm missing something. Explain it to me.

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