Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[ActionDan]

So I think it's ok to name-claim.

Let's go for it?

Vote Beethoveen

[ActionDan]

oh Reck's town.

[ActionDan]

I want to go to the beach.

His scumread on the new guy over botched vote tags p worse.

Really? that was a p town position to take

[ActionDan]

I'm a miller, I'm the Karaoke Place. I seem sketch because of the barking dog but in reality I'm a good place. Except I have overpriced drinks.

This is why we should nameclaim!

[ActionDan]

Scum obviously

have some role that is based off of name flavor

, there is NO possible pro reason to push a nameclaim other than "itll be fun guys!" which is shitty, explain ONE possible protown reason for a nameclaim AD

exactly!

Limit them to that claim. Town nameclaim flavor is harmless since town won't lie (shouldn't lie most of the time anyway) and it's impossible to distinguish town VTs from town powerroles based off the nameclaim along.

I do not mind going first.

[ActionDan]

Claiming right now is a bad idea

but why not nameclaim only right now? Impossible it would be to invent a different fakeclaim for a different nameclaim in the future to fit scum's ever changing necessities to stay alive and not get lynched if nameclaim now we do

[ActionDan]

Despite what Frequency's alignment may or may not be based off the VOTE: VOTE: post, Reck is still prob town for the particular instant reaction.

[ActionDan]

I'm a miller, I'm the Karaoke Place. I seem sketch because of the barking dog but in reality I'm a good place. Except I have overpriced drinks.

This is why we should nameclaim!

Also why does BBmiller's claim matte at all?

Dan, why does BB's miller claim matter at all for nameclaiming purposes.

roles = tied to flavor!

[ActionDan]

UNVOTE:

couch alliance go?

[ActionDan]

you see.

I'm an unlyncher to Trollie. He is the Pikachu. I am squirtle. I live in the balto aquarium. Pokemans.

[ActionDan]

I

AM

TOWN

AS

FUCK

see he's town!

[ActionDan]

great...keep up with the AWESOME scumhunting ur doing babe.

Dan, explain this pokebrawl once more pls

oh that claim was entirely fabricated.

Why? because maybe someone would buy it or whatnot.

I do think you're town. I do think you're playing exactly like you did in Gaymafia2 and that you may have cornered yourself into doing something dumb.

[ActionDan]

I assumed AD's post was a masons softclaim

that was the idea I wanted to put into people's heads. ^_^ When you unvoted I was happy you figured it out (well figured out what I wanted you to figure out). So I guess you can be town from just that. You probably shouldn't vote him again though, if you are.

[ActionDan]

when you voted Trollie, was that part of the 10% CES?

[ActionDan]

um.

Would anyone happen to be

"dog catching a Frisbee"?

[ActionDan]

I ain't even scum.

also AP is probably town after the last post.

[ActionDan]

I did. But I like that post more than the others. Didn't feel the need to mention I had already thought he was leaning town because I had since forgot why I thought that

[ActionDan]

I ain't even scum.

also AP is probably town after the last post.

never said u were scum, said you were fucked

Oh that was more in reply to AP.

I may be fucked you're right! Time will tell I suppose

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Frequency

Because he's operating at the sub Hertz level

[ActionDan]

Trollie, why did you not care about Dan faking your flavor?

he did lol. His suspiciousness was there

Unless you're talking about right now after the fact.

pedit:

I was inclined to vote amrun from her first post but I isoed her recently and I dunno. I'm more hesitant, her last 5 posts aren't that bad.

ppedit: no scum vibes coming from either of them even if you find their votes not good. (and their votes are ok anyway)

[ActionDan]

triforce was my 3rd in mind for a vote. So I'll read this new stuff later and then make judgement

[ActionDan]

Upick mafia: buzz buzz buzz buzz.

[ActionDan]

I am a lyncher to axxle.

not really.

I don't have a town read on him, and his lynch doesn't bother me since his reads seemed half-ass.

I'll let him claim. Also people who lurklurklurk should be given an opportunity to share thoughts before a lynch.

[ActionDan]

triforce might have a case of trying too hard

[ActionDan]

lalalalala.

posting later maybe

[ActionDan]

As town with a big wagon on me I've intentionally just checked the thread and said fuck it I'm not posting cuz I didn't want to deal with it. That happened in LoL mafia.

So that isn't a tell.

[ActionDan]

all this thread does is make me horny

[ActionDan]

all this thread does is make me horny

Great, I haven't found any of your posts townminded for a significant chunk of time

I haven't tried for a while.

[ActionDan]

I will admit the temptation to lol hammer is strong. But I will resist.

[ActionDan]

axxle is literally putting in the bare minimum effort to not admit "hey Im scum yeah imma rollover and die now"

I lean this way as well so I will be the one to hammer most likely.

I am waiting for frequency at least. In that time I might be productive but probably not.


Also Matt, despite whatever logical fallacies Trollie may or may not have committed, if looked at holistically, doesn't the nature of his posts strike you as like.... very town?

[ActionDan]

deadline: 19th of July.

He'll either post content or post about having to sub out while issuing a small apology. Either is progress.

pedit:

Amrun, Triforce, Axxle, er... CES, CDB, gamma, ... hmmm . das it really.

[ActionDan]

And he was unapologetic (relatively) for people scumreading him which is usually from town.

I don't remember the timing but I'm pretty sure there were other and more attention grabbing things going on, so there was leeway to use an unapologetic attitude without stirring up interest

[ActionDan]

oh, didn't realize he was on V/LA. no harm in waiting anyway

[ActionDan]

VOTE: CES

[ActionDan]

Matt I really don't like the idea of wagoning him. Is there no where else to spend your energy?

[ActionDan]

Yeah, I'm trying to soft-rep a benign 3rd party role for whatever reason.

cut:

there are just better people to pick at if that's your thing matt

[ActionDan]

I will say that there is probably scum in the non-usual suspects because of how the lynch yesterday was, imo, a pretty good quality lynch, yet its counter wagons didn't gain much traction.

[ActionDan]

Also the DGB kill points to Dan more than anyone.

I'm all ears.

I mean since we're talking about shallow statements

[ActionDan]

why are you defending the Axxle lynch so hard?

I was under the impression that that wagon was more or less purely the result of town (as in all town) players coalescing around a lynch. However I doubt its purity now.

[ActionDan]

me

[ActionDan]

I fully remember that post AP. Perhaps your memory needs a jolt as well?

Yeah reck ACTUALLY claimed scum.

I bet he doesn't even realize it.

VOTE: RECK

Yeah RECK. You're scum.

I'm sorry this game isn't going to go well for you.

UNVOTE:
WOAH THIS RECK WAGON GREW FAST, CLEARLY SCUM DRIVEN.

SCUMBUDDY DETECTED

amount of content in this game so far: 0

From you, maybe.

I found 2 scums already.

EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN EDWARD SNOWDEN OBAMA AMERICA

You're welcome, we're now on an NSA watchlist.

That's so awesome LOL

Too bad you're scum though.

CES is town, Axxle is town, there's a 50-50 chance CDB is your buddy.

JK.

is scum

Reck we're lynching your buddy but that's only because the first wagon of the day never gets lynched.

UNVOTE: Amrun

pffff I'm the one who called her out on her bullshit first, ya dig?

Yeah you did a case'n'run

Made a case then voted someone else.

you see.

I'm an unlyncher to Trollie. He is the Pikachu. I am squirtle. I live in the balto aquarium. Pokemans.

OK ActionDan is scum.

In other news, my foot fetish rates this game a 10/10.

Correcting an oversight:

VOTE: Amrun

An alphabetically-ordered list means he started the post with the approach "hey, I'm gonna produce some content here." He gives us the impression of having reads (TO BE CONTINUED when gamestate is more poppin', right?) rather than actually reading people in the game. This doesn't have to be scum, it can be lazy town expecting to shrug through D1 screamfest.

Yes, a lot of people do the same thing to megadump a full game of reads because copy/pasting is convenient way to order thoughts.

I agree that Icerint is the next-scummiest player in the game, and that Triforce is overly acidic today. When you have a gun just STFU, use it, and don't make a shitstorm in the thread because you can't control the day phase kill too.

STOPERVJEG2 OMG THE NIUINJA

Nuwen is scum.

Triscum trying to ensnare Iecerint with wurds.

Amrun, please stop trying to build a scumteam around your mistaken impression that reck is scum.

Can I build a scumteam around the fact that reck is scum?

I am kind of hurt that they think I am the easiest one to do this to, though?

I guess I do have a lot of words in this game.

I feel your pain but they're scum, if they weren't mean to townies we wouldn't have a game, thank you Triscum!

dgb why do you make me paranoid every game i play with you

Oh oh the "I'm soo0OOOO0O0O0Ooooo paranoid I can suspect anyone at anytime it's not my fault" scum tell.

man you don't actually think that's a scumtell do you dgb?
cause if I was dicking around in LYLO like that I could maaaaybe see it but saying its scummy this early seems pretty silly

Rock-hard belief. Playing 'paranoid' will play great dividends for your scum game - and it's pointless as town.

I will admit the temptation to lol hammer is strong. But I will resist.

ActionDan is confscum on Axxle townflip.

count instances of DGB alluding to people being scum:

ActionDan: 2
Nuwen: 1
Reck: 6
Beethoven: 2
Amrun: 3
Gamma: 2
Triforce: 2

You happen to be a special case since her last read on you was town. However, even though you have accounted for amrun and Reck being her prime suspects, you have jumped to the conclusion that DGB's death implicates me despite her other multiple scum suspects.

[ActionDan]

DGB explicitly said that Axxletown -> ActionDanScum due to a post he made.

I mean DGB made a lot of posts like that, but ye know.

Vote: ActionDan

btw. Since this isn't really why you are voting me, I'd appreciate a more straightforward explanation of why your read had changed so drastically from middle of yesterday to end of yesterday into today. What set you off?

[ActionDan]

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

irrelevant. her context, her timing of interjections. irrelevant. scum only care about frequency of seeing their name come up. context don't matter at nighttime.

[ActionDan]

Dan is seriously trying to argue that he could not have killed DGB because his name showed up less times in her posts than other people's and Beethoven is also subtly a hyocrite because his name ALSO came up 2x in DGB's posts.

If you actually look at all of those people IN CONTEXT you see.
Triforce was only ever jokingly referred to as scum, never her direct interest.
Her posts about me were on page 1 and in the context of "Hammer please. The day has dragged long enough." so shes obviously just being a troll, but feel free to ignore that context.
She waffled on CDB and clearly was only ever peripherally interested in him pending on a complete other flip.
Gamma also felt more like she was playing with him to see how he'd react if you read her tone which was less than serious and more mocking.

I'll give you Reck and Amrun, but of the 3 of you, you are the scummiest person.

You are ignoring that the pressure on you was dependent on Axxle flipping town (so future pressure on you if she were alive) with this little tallying shenaningans too.

All of this is wrong.

I'm not arguing that as scum I wouldn't kill DGB. I am arguing that your focus on me due to reasons of DGB suspecting me before she died are spurious given her equal and in some cases unequal attention on others. I.e. You are cherry picking evidence without good reason to do so.

I did not call you a hypocrite. I presented only the fact that DGB called you scum along with all other posts that called people scum. I felt compelled even to cite that she had called you town thereafter.

Your "Context" part is severely lacking basic judgment.

Triforce was a scum read of hers. It wasn't a joke when she called it scum. One can conclude that if asked, DGB would say Triforce was scummy.
Just because "Hammer plz" was a joking post doesn't mean the one's about you were as well. They weren't, as she referred to you when she said "I've found 2 scums already" one of which was reck, and considering that she continued to have that scum reck read, that means she wasn't joking.
I never mentioned CDB.
As for Gamma, DGB was not simply mocking or reaction testing. Her 675 literally says that playing paranoid as a scum tell is a "rock-hard belief".

Axxle flipping town was a self-imposed prerequisite for DGB thinking I was scum. I don't see how fulfilling that prerequisite would make me more of a scum read than someone else who she called scum. If you were relying on the prefix "conf-" and the the fact that that was the last thing she said, then I hate to burst your bubble but I doubt that really would have factored that highly into DGB's pushes. Her suspicions throughout were of equal caliber strength when she had them. Or at least it is impossible to determine otherwise.

Also KK's vote post is utter shit.

VOTE: KK

The slot was scum afterall

[ActionDan]

^Can someone read that guy for me

he's town since posting day 2.

[ActionDan]

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

irrelevant. her context, her timing of interjections. irrelevant. scum only care about frequency of seeing their name come up. context don't matter at nighttime.

Probably shouldn't have rushed this post. Context and content (the details in the words of posts) does matter. But it is of secondary concern to how hard someone is pushing for your lynch. In DGB's case the content and context are homogenous throughout all her posts, so this is a mute point. She says "this guy is scum. that guy is scum" systematically.

[ActionDan]

Considering you doubt its purity, why are you voting for someone off the wagon? Who on the wagon do you think might have been scum behind the mislynch?

If I had differentiated who was scum on it by now I would have said so. I can only conclude that there are scum on it, but not yet who they are. I still do not have a good idea.

However KK is most likely scum. He has been reading old posts while keeping up with new posts and his best is to hop on a wagon for the "meritorious" reason of DGB calling me scum at the end of yesterday. He has rejected sharing his thoughts on the posts he has read in favor of agreeing with a piece of NK analysis that is altogether superficial and voting on that alone.

That isn't town.

[ActionDan]

Iec. you still need to explain your vote.

[ActionDan]

You haven't even tried to engage me by asking me a question, but you're jumping straight to "he has rejected sharing..." I'm holding back from giving incomplete thoughts because I haven't fully read the game yet.

I've read your posts made this day and they are crap. Frequency of name mention matters more than context? Really? I added my vote to your wagon because you certainly deserve the pressure.

Your reaction to a wagon on you is to ignore points is to try to dismiss all attention against you and focus on trumping up a baseless charge against a flaker's slot.

What questions should I have asked you? "What do you think of X, Y, or Z?". It is clear that what was most interesting to you was jumping on my wagon "adding pressure" for a bad reason instead of anything else in the game.

May I ask how even if you disagree with that assessment, you find it to be scummy? Do people who are wrong deserve votes? Expand on the other "crap" posts if you would.

which points did I ignore today? where did I dismiss attention on myself? Frequency didn't garner that vote. you did. That charge was against you and your post, and it was hardly baseless.

@amrun: To differentiate it takes energy and time and a reread. I've been spending what I have on simple defense. And of that was engendered by one of DGB's one liners.

[ActionDan]

So it was an empty statement to look like you were scum hunting without actually scum hunting? Gotcha.

It's a documented opinion.

[ActionDan]

I have an important question for BB. I would love to join his VIP club but I would only require a small bit of info to get into this amazing place. You see I don't know if this club meets during the night or day. It's embarrassing I know but I really I am so eager to join the big leagues that small things like that can't stop me. I mean here I am using euphemisms, how quaint. But yes this would be lovely lovely knowledge that I am currently deprived of.

[ActionDan]

@AD: winkyface.jpg?

@BBmolla:

This image removed upon request.

~Lost Butterfly

[ActionDan]

Iec. you still need to explain your vote.

[ActionDan]

CES, even though a man of few words, has not established any real suspicions day 1. Which I would have thought he would do as town. Even though he voted Reck, the strength of his conviction day 1 was indeterminable.

[ActionDan]

I'm here to post.

[ActionDan]

Nuwen may I ask why, if you noticed actiondan repping Trollie as blah di blah, would you then go out of your way to call my reaction to Beethoven's pressure "gross", and then change your mind and say 'I don't think Actiondan is scum'?

Hey Fate Hey Fate Hey Fate Hey.

Did you notice that I had not posted since KK posted last with his reads?
Did you notice that you had not cared one iota or commented on my vote on KK originally or the back and forth when it happened (in fact you changed your vote to Amrun)?

ITT you jumped the gun

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

As for KK well I get the feeling that I'm just wrong there.

[ActionDan]

Well now Fate, I wouldn't want to vote Axxle before people have a chance to flashwagon Trollie ]':

This post doesn't sit right.

Its pretty naturally townie to be paranoid about you DGB

iunno what you'er on about

and matt's a buddy.

[ActionDan]

things are clearer to me now.

[ActionDan]

"oh KK is turning out to be town and I can't make a case on him? I'll jump to Fate for LOLHORESHIT"

===============[ ]

if KK's town then it's a good thing I'm not voting him. QED

[ActionDan]

fair enough.

but fate is scum. I just didn't see it until now.

[ActionDan]

Fate's attitude towards me and method of attack is distinctly different than towards axxle. Compare.

flash Axxle wagon sounds HELLA enticing right now seeing as 3 townies agree on his horseshit list post

Unvote:
Vote: Axxle

What pinged my gut was his-and I've seen this about a hundred times-"I can't read fate he caps" shtick as a cop-out filler read on my slot


LETS DANCE

the case on Axxle is not flimsy at all Grimm, you just don't understand it

My case is that 3 townies (me, nuwen, gamma) agree that his list was a pile of scumhorseshit at an attempt at content

If you don't agree then you're just gonna be on my list of fuel

The operative word is "case". Fate formed reasons to lynch axxle based on content from axxle that a few other people also agreed was scummy.

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

irrelevant. her context, her timing of interjections. irrelevant. scum only care about frequency of seeing their name come up. context don't matter at nighttime.

....

Wow this is complete pile of horseshit

Unvote:
Vote: ActionDan

Unvote:
Vote: ActionDan

I know Reck's retarded, but you have no reasont o be still voting KK other than being scum atm.

That doesn't exist here. Not only that but the auxiliary reason of Fate being happy to lynch axxle, that nuwen and gamma also were on board, isn't present here either.

His recent posts are attempts to fill this gap, but they are poor substitutes for a lack of reasoning earlier.

[ActionDan]

...

fine. I suppose I can take a hint. or 3.

that scum read on fate isn't going away though. And I'm not use-less >_<.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KK

I'll go back to this. I'm probably wrong thinking I was wrong.

[ActionDan]

Oh yeah, willing to lynch Dan, BBmolla, Nuwen, Reck, or Beethoven today.

Oh yeah, Nuwen, what exactly makes Fate useful, again?

The funny thing is that it's likely you listed 5 townies.

[ActionDan]

if he's town the only thing he's useful for is NK fodder. I mean let's be honest

[ActionDan]

Aren't you missing something? Like

credibility

?

That word reminded me of something.

I usually fakeclaim as town if I think I can get away with it and if it optimizes my actual role without significant repercussions.

p-edit:
^everything.

I usually fakeclaim as town if I think I can get away with it and if it optimizes my actual role without significant repercussions.

How do you maintain any sort of

credibility

?

for example. Claiming PGO as ascetic.

Claiming informed townie as the limited compulsive miller vig.

er. claiming bomb as bomb-proof-informed-town. (that was a fun game not on site)

Didn't answer my question. Why should anyone ever believe anything you say if you're a compulsive liar?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[ActionDan]

The implication:
KK: "He's not credible, lynch him."
*knows that my credibility would be questionable even as town

[ActionDan]

Honestly? The only flag is his fake claim, which he did plenty of times F2F, but the whole back and forth with it, and coming back to KK's credibility response is bullshit (like trying to make an excuse to trollolol FAKECLAIMS).

u suck.

"only flag is fakeclaim"

Most innocuous fakeclaim ever. trolololol unlyncher.

[ActionDan]

it was what happened after, and most recently your exchange with KK.

go into some detail. You're voting one of the 2 main wagons and the day is creeping to a close, I'm pretty sure you can do better than this.

[ActionDan]

Except that I said ChannelDelibird lacked credibility not you. Because he hasn't posted any logic to show that you're town. It's an insulting jab to get him to open up and explain himself.

But good job pretending that you're being unfairly persecuted, scum.

hard to tell whether you were commenting about CDB or his statement.

I'm amazed that you are agreeing that I'd be unfairly persecuted had I been attacked for not having credibility when claiming, and yet feel the need to accuse me of pretending that your statement was just that when it was not at all clear that it wasn't.

pedit: well your gut is off and if you happen to be getting /off feelings maybe it's because I play mafia super causally as town and not that many people can stand that.

Which reminds me. CES, every completed game I have on site I've been town in. The only time I was mafia was in Chesskid's Spartcus mini-theme which I'm too lazy to link.

[ActionDan]

Ah.

I'd join Amrun wagon over Trollie wagon. Reading Amrun's iso I see no reason why she switched from trollie to me. There is no recantation of suspicion upon trollie, and there is no reason given to support me over trollie.

Now that the wagons are about even, I'd like to know where you stand Amrun and why. Since you voted me your posts have been largely peripheral and less engaging than earlier in the day.

[ActionDan]

Can anyone townreading Nuwen explain that to me?

I don't think they can. I mean I won't anyway.

[ActionDan]

Dan, I switched my vote to you because of your horrible, awful mess of a Fate vote. I didn't mention it at the time because I was hoping to get your attention with a somewhat naked vote.

It didn't work. Your unvote of Fate and moving back to KK was EVEN WORSE.

A shame because those are arguably the two most protown things I'll done. Now that you have my attention, try explaining why you didn't like my fate vote. and why unvoting Fate and going back to KK was "even worse".

I simply looked at the vote count and since I still don't particularly feel inclined to vote Trollie or Nuwen so I just isoed you. hardly sheeping Zdenek (who I've only skimmed anyway).

You are peripheral because your lastest couple of posts have no mention of either me or Trollie, your scum reads, and the day is getting closer to deadline. There is no real push to convince anyone else to vote us, and considering that our wagons are even, a push to vote one of us over the other. This is important because a) people usually have preferences and b) duel scum wagons are rare.

[ActionDan]

I've probably been a bit lax pushing my scumreads lately since neither have been posting very much and most people see how scummy they are anyway, though.

I post pretty frequently. I feel like tallying the reasons of others on my wagon:

KK - fakeclaim + DGB nonsense
Triforce: Gut + things surrounding fakeclaim
Reck: Secret voices.
Fate: doesn't have a reason.

And there's you. you say it's for voting Fate. that doesn't seem particularly compatible with the others. So I'm asking you to explain further. Particularly:

Now that you have my attention, try explaining why you didn't like my fate vote. and why unvoting Fate and going back to KK was "even worse".

[ActionDan]

Iec, I hasten to say this but it's becoming annoying to see.

There are some pretty obvious things that would lead to the conclusion that nuwen is town. If you look for them. Along with BBmolla for instance.

hey Reck how's it going.

[ActionDan]

I'll be back in 5 hours after class.

Right now I only hope Nuwen you have complete confidence in Fate being town. It's painful to read his posts.

[ActionDan]

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

This.

This makes me so happy.

So happy you didn't cop Fate like I thought you did.

Btw.

VOTE: Fate

[ActionDan]

btw. Nuwen is town

[ActionDan]

well nuwen isn't scum.
Trollie may be scum but most likely isn't
and I'm not scum.

If you let's say take us 3 out of the equation. Where does that leave you? (I don't particularly care for this discussion about what you claimed in your neighborhood. If Reck got all confused and somehow trollie flipped scum then more power to you, since you could have reasonable proof that Reck was town)

[ActionDan]

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

This.

This makes me so happy.

So happy you didn't cop Fate like I thought you did.

Btw.

VOTE: Fate

what in the actual fuck

explain this

NOW

I'm sorry amrun. Explanation is for the weak

[ActionDan]

(I don't particularly care for this discussion about what you claimed in your neighborhood. If Reck got all confused and somehow trollie flipped scum then more power to you, since you could have reasonable proof that Reck was town)

Huh?

fake claiming in QT is not a big deal. Fate would know that info would come out eventually. There are very specific benefits to fake claiming as Fate did as town although in 99% of cases they wouldn't come to anything tangible

[ActionDan]

Actually I'll indulge you Amrun. Nuwen crumbed COP in big fat bold letters. she was insisting that Fate was town. She previously said that she'd leave Reck and Fate to read each other D1. Hmmmmm. That was the only reason I unvoted Fate. Now that Nuwen has said she didn't use her power (btw Nuwen at this stage don't play with that [if you are, you are wifoming more than just scum]), that means she doesn't actually have an innocent on Fate.

[ActionDan]

Actually I'll indulge you Amrun. Nuwen crumbed COP in big fat bold letters. she was insisting that Fate was town. She previously said that she'd leave Reck and Fate to read each other D1. Hmmmmm. That was the only reason I unvoted Fate. Now that Nuwen has said she didn't use her power (btw Nuwen at this stage don't play with that [if you are, you are wifoming more than just scum]), that means she doesn't actually have an innocent on Fate.

When did you suddenly realize nuwen was a cop?

This post:

...

fine. I suppose I can take a hint. or 3.

that scum read on fate isn't going away though. And I'm not use-less >_<.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KK

I'll go back to this. I'm probably wrong thinking I was wrong.

I just put 2 + 2 together. Although since one of these '2's are wrong I seem to be mistaken

Dan, if you originally made out that Nuwen was crumbing a cop Inno in that post, what do you make of it now?

I don't know. That's a better question to ask her you think? I do think Nuwen is town (for more reasons then is presented in the thread) but I don't think her read is justified by anything and I am stepping over it.

@Gamma. I can vote Triforce. I can also vote KK.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Amrun

Because fuck it.

[ActionDan]

don't forget to put yourself into the dumbs pile

[ActionDan]

I will also say I have info which supports Nuwen's claim.

That is all

[ActionDan]

After reading I'd like Triforce to full claim precisely their role + why Iece is town. This Is important.

[ActionDan]

Nuwen claimed 1-shot nuanced cop. It makes sense to me and my info

[ActionDan]

I really want Triforce's fullclaim. They have claimed investigative + Iece town.

Just what kind of investigative PR are they is all I want to know.

[ActionDan]

Dan has effectively softclaimed one of the other types of Shadow Hunters cards (equipment, one of the d00ds: shadow, hunter, neutral) is what I'm reading. If he tries to claim something else I wouldn't buy it.

I can understand the confusion.

But it's not flavor related.

[ActionDan]

Still waiting for Triforce to full claim what investigative role they are and how they know iece's alignment.

[ActionDan]

Hey guys. Preeetty town here.

The fact that singer even trusted anyone other than her to post in this game at all (yes, even quadz who apparently couldn't get his shit together anyway) should tell you how town she is like wholey fuck.

I don't see a claim here.

[ActionDan]

Whatever.

VOTE: Triforce

I soft-counterclaim whatever claim you'd have that is both investigative and able to determine alignments that is not a cop.

[ActionDan]

RECK NEVER ONCE VOTED AD TODAY

I believe this to be false

[ActionDan]

voting Fate is tempting. But going through Triforce's iso I noticed that their read on me came from the exchange between me and KK. Which started with his wagon hop on me and my immediate attack on his vote. Soon after, I became scum and KK became town even though Tri likewise thought the wagonhop was terrible. Looking back it isn't a very logical thought process.

[ActionDan]

I would do it.

But Triforce has claimed:
1) they are an investigative role
2) know iece is town.

Considering my role, nuwen's role, and BBm's role, I highly doubt there's another. And my role suggests nuwen is telling the truth.

[ActionDan]

(another investigative that can possibly determine alignments directly from info gleaned. Tracker, watcher, etc. sure, but not a role that allows you to proclaim someone is town)

[ActionDan]

I just hope his world doesn't explode when he sees me flip town.

[ActionDan]

It's scummy because they felt strongly enough to discredit Nuwen when she claimed 1-shot cop. Why aren't they claiming now so town can make a proper decision between me and them now? Why aren't they claiming their info as to how they know iece is town? If they aren't giving details it's because it's inconvenient. If they are town fake claiming then they should have dropped it by now. If they are town true claiming then they should claim everything, demand to see my full claim, and let town decide between us with more info

[ActionDan]

-____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________-

[ActionDan]

Still don't think Triforce is town.

Simply don't know why they couldn't claim that earlier and instead allowed Me vs them to go on for ~day until finally their wagon went to L-1 and now it looks like they'd be lynched instead of me, when it was probably even chances before

[ActionDan]

I thought I said I don't have flavor reasons that makes me think nuwen is town. It's due to my role.

I had a town read on Beethoven long ago. I still think he's town. I think he's also myopic as fuck.

[ActionDan]

Action Dan, its either YOU or ANOTHER vaivle lynch, because its not going to be triforce.

Now

Is beethoven more town than you?

No he's not. But I am not particularly sure who besides Triforce I'd want to lynch. The sad thing is I don't want to lynch you anymore and I thought I'd happy voting you if for some reason I wasn't going to vote Triforce. But I still don't think it shouldn't be Triforce.

[ActionDan]

Still don't think Triforce is town.

Simply don't know why they couldn't claim that earlier and instead allowed Me vs them to go on for ~day until finally their wagon went to L-1 and now it looks like they'd be lynched instead of me, when it was probably even chances before

[ActionDan]

No one has answered that either.

[ActionDan]

7. Getting so apathetic towards people's bullshit and absence in this game an just wanting to anti-town troll the fuck around because there's been nothing better to do.

in the end it comes down to this reason. And for me that's unsatisfactory. I can understand fake-soft-claiming earlier but you didn't give it up.

[ActionDan]

Time for a claim.

I must say I do look forward to Beethoven's reaction to his wagon buildup with smug satisfaction

[ActionDan]

Also CES I'll be staring at you from under your bed. js.

[ActionDan]

bad time for me to wifom hider then. (I'm not a hider)

Well I believe that counts as investigative. I guess I'll full claim because something isn't right here.

[redacted] because I thought a bit better than it.

The claimed role is something that my role would also support like like nuwens.

[ActionDan]

more importantly.

Have you used the role?

[ActionDan]

I defended him offhandedly from Dans speculation that the DGB kill pointed to him with stuff I didnt quite believe at the time about DGB's words meaning less wrt Gamma.

That does explain why that part in particular made no sense to me.

[ActionDan]

Perhaps your figurative boner for me and your literal boner for him?

Anyway I don't wish to lynch you. I will say now that my role supports one-shot claims. So perhaps maybe you + nuwen are legit and there's just more roles to go around.

I think it's best if this flash wagon breaks up and maybe ....

VOTE: CES

@pedit: Yes. ^_^.

[ActionDan]

your right,

VOTE: KK

[ActionDan]

Well. Gamma will probably be NK'd sometime regardless. He's pretty townie.

So the choice is more like, Lynch Beethoven who claimed power. or Lynch claimed VT. The choice between should more be based on if you think they are scum. As I say this I could vote Triforce again, I could try for something new and exciting like KK, or no-lynch. All these are preferable to lynching Beet.

jesus the cuts.

Beet you should have been way way more explicit about gamma. I mean you want scum to kill you.

@Fate. I think we'll be in a good position either way. It's also true that I am begging Beet to be town though. I mean if there's someone else that we'd wind up lynching later anyway, we could do that now. I would believe KK to be one such person. CES kinda strikes me as another.

I've been cut around 15 times.

[ActionDan]

:/ shrug. When I get around to claim you'll understand

[ActionDan]

although probably not too much, but hey I outguess mods a lot.

[ActionDan]

If there's one thing I didn't really get, was why Beet didn't particularly consider Triforce as scum. Unless I missed it.

cut oh I guess it you thought so then. lettme go back and read

cut: You're right, you are both essentially vanilla (and I'm not overlooking that). but this lynch seems wasteful. That's really all I can say.

All I have Is that 1-shot town claims make butt loads of sense. I can't support (yet) what the claims are. I have nothing to indicate if jailors or cops exist. But 1-shot crap makes tons of sense. (Also day actions make tons of sense, like BBm's so there might be a scum-day-vig or some shit just saying)

[ActionDan]

fine. I'll switch at soon. lettme check deadline

[ActionDan]

deadline is 7 hours away.

Gamma guide me.

[ActionDan]

how do you feel about CDB

More town than CES, and he didn't vote me. Kind of like a null I guess. Someone like Iece that I really shouldn't be handing out passes to.

@cut: I have said 1-shot abilities make sense. They make sense for both town + scum, but more-so for town to possess.

[ActionDan]

btw Beet, when you were aware that I had thought Nuwen had crumbed a cop inno on Fate, did you not find that a discrepancy that you wanted to explore? Because it seems like you didn't which would be unusual.

[ActionDan]

ok dood. You're 1-shot. You want all the roleblocks. and the kills too

[ActionDan]

You also didn't breadcrumb targeting Gamma D1, which is the super-responsible play in the event your read is incorrect and you die. I know you're beeeetter than scrub mistakes like not accounting for being wrong.

actually I need to check this.

[ActionDan]

well your execution of that was poor. How would anyone know which of the 5 names you'd have targeted even if people got the intention. or does the question mark sell it.

Whatever. If there is nothing better at close to deadline I'll just vote you since I can't find a good explanation for these flubs.

[ActionDan]

also Triforce. either.

[ActionDan]

yeah fuck it.

I should have concentrated on my work.

VOTE: Beethoven

I also realize what Fate's doing. But it's not a like he's using irrational arguments.

cut: well picking gamma in case of worried about gamma getting shot is legit. But crumbing it beforehand is sort of key.

[ActionDan]

ok. Should we agree that the Reck kill was a vig kill, or not?

I'd be inclined to think Gamma was the scum kill

[ActionDan]

Sadly then, I only have info on who the vig is. as does nuwen. and I don't think we should claim it.

Sad indeed.

pedit: Nuwen is town. most likely. Like really. most most likely

[ActionDan]

yeah well. Nuwen was telling the truth about her role.

[ActionDan]

And maybe if Reck was the scum kill, I'd have useful info for you. But that's probably not the case.

[ActionDan]

on the subject of Beethoven's lynch.

[ActionDan]

Amrun

Triforce town now. I think.

[ActionDan]

..............................................................................................................................................................................
why.

[ActionDan]

w/e.

someone bring the popcorn.

[ActionDan]

CLAIM RIGHT NOW WOMAN

Vote: CES

I'm not sure if you realized but I confirmed you as town. There was no need to answer Fate

[ActionDan]

I mean we'll see later if two kills happen in a night again. I get the feeling every single role is 1-shot.

[ActionDan]

For the record.

I accuse CDB of being the Pikachu, with the reason being he seems like lurking benign 3rd party.

[ActionDan]

hey I needed to have a reason even if it isn't that legit.

Also I echo that sentiment. (that CES is town vig probably).

[ActionDan]

So, why did you do it?

Was it to see how I would react to being called the Pikachu (in which case, if you knew the reason was bad, presumably I'd just point out that it was bad)? Was it because you wanted to accuse

somebody

of being the Pikachu and, if so, why me (and just why? I don't see what doing it unseriously does to help us at this point)?

I felt like accusing you. If you were the Pikachu maybe you'd disappear and POE would be better. If not I posted a post. I could do the same with everyone I suppose but too much effort. Also I do believe that you could be benign 3rd party most out of everyone so.

[ActionDan]

cough.

about that.

VOTE: Amrun

If you look at Day 1 Beet almost goes out of his way not to comment on her and maintain his "town side of null read". Plus inadvertently skipping her for little to no reason and jumping to me for DGB's hate list. Reck was "town", but Amrun was only "town?" on his reads list. No reason for him to pay so little attention to her. Sure you can argue he was scum and scum are going for there own objectives (attacking me in this case) but it wouldn't hurt Beet to be more objective had amrun been town.

[ActionDan]

Amrun claimed scum. That's all I'll say. Her role is so anti-my-role that they are diametric opposites.

Actually I'll say it: I was a 1-shot active ability cop... that couldn't cop people who had already used their role. So yeah killlllllllllllllllllllll it.

[ActionDan]

this is how I knew nuwen was telling the truth + knew precisely what her ability was. More details: I could only rolecop night actions. which was why I was wondering about if bbm could use his thing in the daytime or night. Glad he claimed D2.

[ActionDan]

non-mafia-game flavor.

popcorn to mattp or KK. I could hardly care which

[ActionDan]

1-shot active ability cop. I didn't say it was townish. But it is in the hands of town, and it conflicts with your role. Because you vanillizing people decreases my role's utility.

[ActionDan]

let's stack up town power:

Nuwen: town 1-shot killer cop
ActionDan: town 1-shot active ability cop
CES: town X-shot (but okay really 1-shot) vig
Gamma: town 1-shot commuter
Trollie: town 1-shot neighborizer-er
Amrun town 1-shot Vanilizer

+ either Fate is 1-shot activated BP or someone else is a 1-shot doc because I kinda expect that even with gamma.

so Vanilizer don't really fit. Especially when scum probably have 1-shot roles that they have probably used by now.

[ActionDan]

I mean, sure. but I don't see another neighborhood around

[ActionDan]

aw.

Iecerint's not a killer.

VOTE: MattP

Let me group the people.

Absolutely town at least not scum:

Me
CES
BBm

Very Goddamn town:

Trollie
Fate
Triforce

Still town:

Zdenek

3rd party that I don't particularly want to call town just yet:

CDB

people left:

Iecerint
KK
MattP

And I think MattP is scummiest. Iecerint is not a killer at least. (not yet anyway, I thought that MattP was probably performing kills anyway, but I think he'll get lynched today)

pedit: hmmm. Odd.

[ActionDan]

yes :3

[ActionDan]

Hey everything I've claimed after day 1 is partially true at least

[ActionDan]

anyway, I think nameclaiming is the thing to do.

[ActionDan]

VCA is going to be very very helpful btw. I did it last night and I was thinking Triforce/Trollie not-scum from that alone

[ActionDan]

I may be up to lynch KK. But they voted with Amrun and Beethoven to give a grand total of 3 in a row alone on my wagon D2 at one point.

If you don't like being lynched I'd suggest you find an alternative

[ActionDan]

CDB doable.

Not my fav but Doable

[ActionDan]

I was thinking KK if not you

[ActionDan]

Okay, thanks for your patience everyone. Been working 11 hour days and been busy with family, upcoming move, etc. But I'm on top of things now and am ready to push this game forward.

Here's where my reads stand at this point in the game. Reasonings can be gone into for those that are interested. The lists are organized (most -> least)

Scum
ActionDan - Name-claim pushing + 3rd party claim (Unlyncher) + backpedal on claim = scum. Plus pushing bad WIFOM cases, molehilling, and no genuine scum-hunting. Obv-scum.
TheTrollie - Early game buddying, ridiculous wagon baiting, strange behavior re: ActionDan, inconsistent views towards Axxle wagon, trying to get town-cred for nothing
Triforce - Chainsawing, defending inconsistent play with hydra dissonance, little real scum-hunting.
Nuwen - Early game play (inconsistent argumentation)

Town
Kublai Khan - mod confirmed to myself
Iecerint - Pretty solid town read. Not lynching without good evidence.
Amrun - Gut/meta, feels like town-Amrun
Gammagooey - disagree with a few ideas, but can follow his logic. Good town-feel.
ChannelDelibird - Nothing scummy, but hasn't taken many controversial stances.
Grimmjow - Per xRECKONERx
MattP - If the 1-shot part of self-governing turns out to be a lie, then he is scum. Not caring for the out-pouring of emotional argumentation. Otherwise he's been putting himself out there and only one or two things seem off.

Wild Card
BBmolla - Miller claim. Coasting on it strongly.
Cogito Ergo Sum - I'm town-reading him, but I'm always wary of him.
Fate - Claimed Bulletproof, but is a serial bullshitter.
xRECKONERx - I want to say town, but there's some specks of meh that I'm not willing to ignore. He gets held to a higher standard.
Beethoven - Not regularly signing posts so not sure on my read. Some stuff feels like they are trying to over-analyze/over-push things, but may just be a hydra effect.

I always wanted to say that the CDB read was way out of place here.

Also these reads suck

[ActionDan]

^ ok Trollie, seriously, what the fuck is your problem

[ActionDan]

changed my mind

Trollie is the benign third party.

Also why did you no-action on the 2nd night Trollie

[ActionDan]

Being bone-crushingly forgetful doesn't make someone scum (and, while I'm not ruling out, I see no actual evidence to believe that we have a third alignment anywhere in this game yet).

true.

But I feel the numbers are just right for it. We started with 18. with 17, 4 scum is doable. 18, feels like something snuck in there.

I suppose with town's low power thus far revealed, I guess there could only be 4 scum.

(I very much don't think there is 5 scum)

[ActionDan]

there is an argument for that.

Aka, no accountable action N2.

Multi-shot in a sea of 1-shots (but I guess the power of neighborizer is pretty terrible so)

[ActionDan]

I just wonder what he did N2

[ActionDan]

ah good.

I was about to say that I much preferred KK or Matt

[ActionDan]

I feel it is important to make a contingency plan though.

[ActionDan]

Dan, can you please be explicit about your result on Iecerint so that I can know whether or not it's worth my bothering to look him up?

well ok.

I copied Nuwen's ability.

Then I used it on Iecerint lat night.

That means Iecerint hasn't killed N1 N2 or N3.

[ActionDan]

it's not a clear because there are probably 2 mafia left, but it means that as long as another mafia isn't lynched, Iecerint should never be lynched.

[ActionDan]

so KK when you get back here. Please Nameclaim, and claim. and then if you'd be so kind popcorn the name claim to Matt

[ActionDan]

o yeah. I forgot about the govern thing.

oops

[ActionDan]

actually considering the flavor business, we probably shouldn't lynch matt for a while either.

that basically only narrows down my "doesn't have something towny going on for them" list to KK.

Problems happen if KK is not scum.

Even if he is there is a problem.

[ActionDan]

If Trollie is the Pikachu this game too, I'd laugh for many reasons

[ActionDan]

in other New Triforce becomes more town than they already were.

[ActionDan]

for whoever asked.

"LYNCH MEEEEE!" Trollie yelled. You obliged.

Votecount 2.FINAL - Friday, July 27th @ 12:05 AM EDT

TheTrollie -

4

[L-0]

Who, Amrun, Klazam, Cabd
Amrun -

2

[L-2]

TheTrollie, ActionDan

With

[7]

alive it took

[4]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

Not Voting:

GuyInFreezer

TheTrollie has been lynched Day 2. He was the

Self-Aligned Pikachu

!

Because of the lack of a serious accusation against him
before his lynch, TheTrollie has exited the game and won!

Obviously, if you look below, you can see the game

WILL CONTINUE

.

You have (expired on 2013-07-29 00:05:00) to submit Night Actions for Night 3.

[ActionDan]

What is this whole pikachu thing about? Was this a UPick game?

Pikachu was a gag role invented to troll. The role basically wins if you exit the game without being discovered.

[ActionDan]

trollie you are up for nameclaim + popcorn

[ActionDan]

Unless scum have double action. But I hope not. (dunno Faraday/Mina's mod meta on this)

[ActionDan]

is my vote still on you?

if so,

##Unvote

[ActionDan]

mostly POE. However, I still regard your original push on Trollie as not good

[ActionDan]

VOTE: KK

Proxy argument with Zdenek in place of "giant post" he was going to make.

[ActionDan]

picked up.

KK wagon good.

[ActionDan]

yeah I think that flavor is fucked up too Iec.

As far as I'm concerned I had Matt within my sights

[ActionDan]

You all acted scummy at various points in time. @glork

[ActionDan]

I learned an important lesson this game. Not to make assumptions about things that will happen. Had I copped Matt, game would have been over.

[ActionDan]

I still think that ignores the fact that the distinction was very convoluted regardless. All I could think of was.

Upick
Drunk
and cards.

:/

Also Srry Iec. All I had it down to was you + the 2 scum. And I thought Matt would have been power lynched :/ So I didn't investigate him

[ActionDan]

I POE'd him T-t

just no one gives listening to me.

[ActionDan]

key words

"a fuck"

[ActionDan]

I mean in the context of physical activities.

uPick = huge time setting up pretty unique
Drunk mafia = time needed to get drunk unique.

I mean really would you have been ok with separating out great idea vs greater idea, since that's essentially what you did? I'm not going to argue further, but the way the troll game was presented was precisely like a greatest idea game. The only differences between these games is discarding another card.

[ActionDan]

I personally had Zdenek as town because of his interactions with BOTH Beet and Amrun. You'd have to conjure up something wicked for those not to be genuine

[ActionDan]

oh also my D1 case on Frequency was actually right and the foaming at the mouth that happened for it was ridiculous

I gots your back

[ActionDan]

well Triforce and Fate were both town.

Btw I'd like to mention that Trollie existed in this game. Let us not forget

[ActionDan]

Fate was pretty obvtown though.

I agree.

but imo so was Triforce :#

[ActionDan]

some people have very active imaginations.