The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[Jon Doe]

Titus here.

I'll be signing all my posts with either -T -Titus or something else that clearly indicates I'm talking.

VOTE: Trust Fund

Just cause.

-Titus

[Jon Doe]

Would you like to offer a read on me, or Matt, or anyone else now?

Matt and desperado aren't scum together

They could be both be scum but I don't see them as being the same scum faction.

I see both points here. I can't see why scum would draw so much attention to themselves but I can't see why town (other than VI) would pull a stunt like this either. The motivation is rather confusing to this head.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

I see both points here. I can't see why scum would draw so much attention to themselves but I can't see why town (other than VI) would pull a stunt like this either. The motivation is rather confusing to this head.

mattp

why so itchy about multiball so early?

I am not itchy. I just throw up every possibility until I'm left with what's possible. Not "itching for it" but when I say could be it means just that. Could be.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

I am not itchy. I just throw up every possibility until I'm left with what's possible. Not "itching for it" but when I say could be it means just that. Could be.

~Titus

Yeah but you deliberately introduced that possibility without commenting on whether or not it is likely. Do you think it is likely?

I don't know. I just don't like either of them right now.

Get used to p-edits, this is gonna be xenoblade allll over again.

Also, Titus/Waynegg hydra: No using personal crap this game PLEASE? I don't want another xenoblade clusterfuck, wayne. And we're keeping our rivalry out of this one.

~sasha

What is this about? I have no rivalry with you. I don't think I've met you before. I hate person based arguments. I'm more about logical reasons for behavior.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

If it were a scum move, it'd be a scum move by newbie scum that saw a more experienced scum pull off something similar before.

Because it couldn't possibly, you know, be the experienced scum who just pulled this shit off that this hypothetical newbscum comes along later to immolate.

VOTE: MAJIFFY

[Jon Doe]

And as usual, paranoia means I get no read.

~sasha

what paranoia?

You know exactly what I'm talking about. After AMOL ffery uses like a 20 foot pole around me.

~sasha

P-edit: Looks like wayne is here? Sign your posts please kthnx

Piss off and use your "meta"

[Jon Doe]

Desperado wrote:
In post 253, StupendousKey wrote:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Trust Fund

Why are people claiming right now? The Pitoli votes are bad, he's barely even said anything.


Hey you ignored me earlier when I asked you to be specific about why you didn't like my reaction to Matt's claim.

Also this vote sucks.

I didn't like it because it looked opportunistic, especially since his gambit benefited town.

Matt, Toogeloo, Amrun, and Thor are town by the way. Maybe sangres, but I can't tell yet.

-SM

It's a little presumptive to declare that it helped town, and all those town reads look right to me. Why is trust fund scum?

I didn't like it

because it looked opportunistic, especially

since his gambit benefited town

.

Scumclaim #2

~Sasha

This would be one good reason...

[Jon Doe]

huh. NO idea why that first quote is there. But anyways, i didn't see it as a misrep, so whatever.

~sasha

I didn't like it

because it looked opportunistic, especially since

his gambit benefited town.

How about now? Do you see it now?

[Jon Doe]

Perhaps I should have seperated them and explained, but I thought it was obvious they were two different thoughts. "I didn't like it" is a bad response to your reaction because it's vague and shitty. The second thing is a scumclaim because there's no way for him to know that it benefited town for sure... unless he knew who town was.

That's what I get for doing that post quickly I suppose.

Make sense now?

~sasha

And you're taking it out of context too because that was a reply to Desparado's question about why SK didn't like D's vote.

VOTE: TRUSTFUND

[Jon Doe]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Trust Fund

Why are people claiming right now? The Pitoli votes are bad, he's barely even said anything.

Hey you ignored me earlier when I asked you to be specific about

why you didn't like my reaction

to Matt's claim.

Also this vote sucks.

I didn't like it

because it looked opportunistic, especially since his gambit benefited town.

Matt, Toogeloo, Amrun, and Thor are town by the way. Maybe sangres, but I can't tell yet.

-SM

Well, reaction. Not vote. But yeah. Still misrep. Ur scumz.

[Jon Doe]

Throwing shit would imply that you didn't misrep twice with the same misquote. You haven't answered that satisfactorily. In fact you're deflecting with omgzobvtownfrustratedwait bullshit.

[Jon Doe]

Throwing shit would imply that you didn't misrep twice with the same misquote. You haven't answered that satisfactorily. In fact you're deflecting with omgzobvtownfrustratedwait bullshit.

I asked you if you had any thoughts that didn't revolve around defending Stupendous and you've done nothing but defend Stupendous since then. Is that your way of saying "No?"

Yeah. I think trust fund is scum, but misrep noted on implying defending Desperado. I could give two shits which scum Trust Fund was having scum theater with. The cabd half doesn't misrep like that, nor is he quite this agro, as any but scum. If you're gonna call me out for tunneling, at least get my target right.

[Jon Doe]

Trust Fund is the Titus head doing RVS.

~Titus.

[Jon Doe]

Well it was initially. Apparently my other head might be thinking differently.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

tl;dr:

StupendousKey is scum.

This

[Jon Doe]

VOTE: StupendousKey

Both my heads seem to agree this guy is scummy considering I've done a fast read to catch up. I do agree with the second scum claim Stupendous did as actually being a scumclaim. The first one was kinda meh.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

I'm town.

Everyone in this game that is competent is reading me as town.

You probably should, too.

I want to be competent. Can I read you as town?

[Jon Doe]

is he at L-1?

No he's L-5 and if you look you'd see all of the actually competent people are voting him

The good player I'm not scum tell. Can we get a new punchline already?

[Jon Doe]

This is getting ridiculous. Either we have a hyperactive town or this thread is being bogged down deliberately by scum.

Does StupendousKey have a meta of being this bad or could he be a jester?

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Well it was initially. Apparently my other head might be thinking differently.

~Titus

He's gonna be attacking me all game, he and I have an old grudge and he doesn't like to let stuff go. I'm over it.

~sasha

This will be my only post on this shit. To hold a grudge would mean I care, when in actuality idgaf. Why you have now touched on some old shit 5 times and are using it to cover for your scum is both lame and weak, so how bout you get off your high horse, go back to your mr. popularity aren't we so cool scum started townbloc, and just play the fucking game? If you were going to carry on with this shit, why did you even bother signing up when you saw I was already there. I'm done with it. Been done with it. How about you really being done with it too.

[Jon Doe]

Talk to me about Trust Fund the qt Wayne. We aren't lynching her today, there are scummier targets. There's no point in getting the whole town pissed at us AND not make your point because people think it's range. If we go after that hydra, it will need to be coordinated. I still don't know WHY you're wanting to go after her. This is something you should talk with me about.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

*rage not range

~Titus correcting

[Jon Doe]

Putting this baby somewhere useful. Jon Doe has been buddying me like crazy and I don't like their posts.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jon Doe

Buddying you like crazy? What the hell are you smoking? I pretty much called you a jester earlier.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Chesskid, Stupendous is guaranteed scum, just iso him it's like 15 hilarious posts

This is precisely what worries me Matt. It's too guaranteed, which makes me suspect Jester.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

This is a guaranteed non bastard game

He's literally just that bad Jon Doe

And you NEVER play as if there's a jester, cmon please be rational

Derp. Just reread the setup. Yes, my vote is in the right place still. Paranoia got the best of me there.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Putting this baby somewhere useful. Jon Doe has been buddying me like crazy and I don't like their posts.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jon Doe

Buddying you like crazy? What the hell are you smoking? I pretty much called you a jester earlier.

~Titus

That was just now. Earlier you defended me for like 10 posts by attacking Trust Fund.

Starting to doubt my Matt read.

-SM

That head always attacks one of those players. It shouldn't be interpreted as defending but rather I need to get control of my other head. Those two apparently have some history of always FoSing each other.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

@Colin, yeah a little something like that.

@Stupendous, you've kinda slipped like mad. Both heads agree you're scummy.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Putting this baby somewhere useful. Jon Doe has been buddying me like crazy and I don't like their posts.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jon Doe

Buddying you like crazy? What the hell are you smoking? I pretty much called you a jester earlier.

~Titus

That was just now. Earlier you defended me for like 10 posts by attacking Trust Fund.

Starting to doubt my Matt read.

-SM

She didn't.
I did.

She had nothing to do with that. And who said I was defending you? I said it was scum theater.

[Jon Doe]

Toogs, you and AngryPidgeon are the only players on this site for whom paranoia isn't a scumtell.

Assuming Mollie? You know that's not true...

[Jon Doe]

But Matt, you said the glorious over confident seasoned player who's scum phrase. Why should I listen to your direction?

pedit. I have major questions for you DGB. later when it settles down. About scumputer. It fascinates me. I have a rudimentary knowledge, but there are things I don't quite piece together.

[Jon Doe]

You need to sheep DGB and vot Matt GiF.

[Jon Doe]

Suppose I should follow my own advice

VOTE: MATT

[Jon Doe]

Jon Doe: Why are you asking about scumputer?

Because it truly fascinates me and there are a couple of things I haven't figured out like assigning expected scum per wagon and what to do when there's only one wagon per day phase and stuff like that.

[Jon Doe]

But Matt, you said the glorious-over-confident-seasoned-player-who's-scum phrase.

Better? One big hyphenated noun

[Jon Doe]

I like how I forget every game how games affect me

That's probably why people have more than one baby too

No. That's because they're so damned fun to make

[Jon Doe]

AH, so you plan to clutter up the thread with useless theory discussion.

On one hand we have caught Jon Doe scum and on the other we have my desire to kill Matt. Decisions, decisions.

I can prove you wrong on us with one sentence that would be verified by at least one player. I'll save that for when its needed but I'm sure that player is already rolling his eyes and cursing under his breath.

[Jon Doe]

So 3 n't's make a net can't, right? So who else do you like Am?

[Jon Doe]

While we're voting Matt, I'm not liking this too much...

MattP Merle Dixon confirmed?

Where's my Glen at? If you claim Glen now, I'll love you forever and give you total town points.

No one claiming Glenn yet? I'm sad. No Town points for anyone yet.

Because I don't see scum that knows what they're doing trying something like that. If it were a scum move, it'd be a scum move by newbie scum that saw a more experienced scum pull off something similar before. MattP does not fall under this category.

Erm... no?

Newbie scum play safe games, try to stay out of the lime light, etc.
Pro scum try gambits that will excuse the reason they are still alive later in the game when they are normally night killed early on.

Looking at motivation here. I see no town motivation. I see exactly what he alluded to ~ gambit. It works to give him town cred while at the same time looking for (and finding?) a PR for NK. Claim yourself is fine, stupid IMO, but fine. Coaxing someone who could easily not be vanilla to do the same...nah. Why isn't this a hot topic?

[Jon Doe]

So 3 n't's make a net can't, right? So who else do you like Am?

Nope. Not how that works. "I cannot not" means "I must."

Making I joke of the can't at the end and thing them together. It's ok to laugh.

[Jon Doe]

Wow. That came out broken, but you get the jist.

[Jon Doe]

upon skimming Jon Doe's 405 is a weird hard pounce on SK despite having no interaction with them prior, and 426 ("I'm sure SK is scum") is out of sync with 458 (vote for SK) but I have no idea which head is doing what there

405 was attacking Trust Fund, 426 was agreeing that SK was looking scum as well (I don't see that as an either/or situation), 458 was a miscue from hydra dissonance.

[Jon Doe]

what prompted the claims

In post 31, Toogeloo wrote:
MattP Merle Dixon confirmed?

Where's my Glen at? If you claim Glen now, I'll love you forever and give you total town points.

[Jon Doe]

Well maybe Maggie pouted all the way through season 3 because she longed for the Gov'nah and Ven decided to make her traitor? Just to add to your paranoid for you. Out of <3 of course!

[Jon Doe]

There's an echo in here...ere...re...e

[Jon Doe]

Hey bork

A four bragger and you hit for the cycle!

[Jon Doe]

*bagger

Stoopid auto fix

[Jon Doe]

I think I may have something to go off, but first I want to know why so many townies fell for the quicklynch.

[Jon Doe]

Still, I don't like the wording of the post

and, I hopped on the wagon because, at the point I hopped on, I thought there was a decent chance for SK to be scum, I town-read the vast majority of the wagon at the time I joined and, even if they were town, they wouldn't have been missed >.>

~Sugar

Pedit: ohhaiderenero

Even if that were good logic, the whole rest of the day that could have been will be missed.

[Jon Doe]

and then, I have Brains and Desp as somewhat weaker reads, but still fairly strong

Thor is somewhere in my null-town pile along with Mastin and GIF

I had Toggers as a really nice strong read, though I have taken a step back from him because of Nacho, (and a few others I think) nice town read on him

Doe is a scum read

you are pretty close to becoming one too

everyone else is being sorted

~Sugar

GiF shouldn't be in your null pile and you should know why given the game we both played with him.

[Jon Doe]

While the undead corpse was making it's way into the prison, a shadow moved through the cells of the sleeping survivors, moving unseen, going for a particular cell. Andrea was sound asleep when the shadow slipped into her cell block, a pillow in hand. When her eyes slowly fluttered open to see the shadow, she tried to gasp but the pillow seemed to crush her face as it came down. Trying to resist, she thrashed her arms around in despair, but the grip was too strong. Slowly, she lost consciousness, and died with it.

Trust Fund was suffocated in her sleep, she was

Andrea ( Vanilla Townie )

And lololololololol! at the cosmic karma of this!

[Jon Doe]

Yes ignore the wagon that's bound to be full of scum given the nature of the lynch to go after one of the three or so players who were saying you guys were falling into an obvious trap. That's the

smart

play here...

Oops

[Jon Doe]

[LYNCHED] StupendousKey: Mastin2, Mattp, Amrun, Sandres,

Majiffy

,

Trust Fund

, Toogeloo, OhGodMyLife, Sugar Cain,

Chesskid3

, RedCoyote, Ellibereth

Posting this for a point to work off of

[Jon Doe]

Derp, I'm an idiot. Misremembered how many there are in this game.

[L-6] Desperado: Sangres, Mattp, borkjerfkin, Amrun, Sugar Cain, StupendousKey.

The first five votes are all professional zombie-killers, who work well as a unit. The sixth voter, on the other hand, who brought Desperado half way to being lynched, not so much. Regardless of Desperado's alignment, there be scum.

VOTE: Stupendous Key.

(Sorry. I'm trying. But humor's harder to pull off than I remember. You'd

think

the guy who uses the humor smiley of ":P" so often would be a laugh riot, but so far, I'm only mildly entertaining at best. )

This is pretty damned bad logic...

Derp, I'm an idiot. Misremembered how many there are in this game.

[L-6] Desperado: Sangres, Mattp, borkjerfkin, Amrun, Sugar Cain, StupendousKey.

The first five votes are all professional zombie-killers, who work well as a unit. The sixth voter, on the other hand, who brought Desperado half way to being lynched, not so much. Regardless of Desperado's alignment, there be scum.

VOTE: Stupendous Key.

(Sorry. I'm trying. But humor's harder to pull off than I remember. You'd

think

the guy who uses the humor smiley of ":P" so often would be a laugh riot, but so far, I'm only mildly entertaining at best. )

FUCK YOU FOR STEALING MY GLORY

VOTE: STUPENDOUS KEY

Not much better here, I'm reading this slot as scum. Don't think I've ever seen an omgus sheep vote before. Not sure what my other head thinks.

:'(

I think I

idk.


I'M SAD I CLAIMED NOW, WHYYYY



:'(


VOTE: stupendouskey

She was wrapped up in her screwed up bad claim, and with no counter I have her as town.

yeah pitoli votes are bad

Vote: StupendousKey

Nacho is very hard for me, but this just looks opportunistic and scummy

Funny that StupdendousKey is just like...

*hands in the air*

"What~EVER~!~"

(Screw you guys, I'm going home).

Unvote;
Vote: StupendousKey

I read this slot as scum D1 and am not surprised to see him here

Vote: Stupedouskey

ONLY.FUCKING.POST.

VOTE: Key

Blind sheep, but their other posting looks like shit

I AM IMMUNE TO THE ZOMBIES

Why? How? Why not just full claim?

Noone should be hiding early on to allow the PRs to have their chances of being hit lowered. Since we only have two hide chances each we can't throw them away early on.

Additionally, late on, aka past day 3, we should be cycling who hide when to insure that PRs have a solid idea that they're ok not hiding

I agree with the former, but not the latter. I will hide when I want, thanks.

---

'Cause I'm a lyncher whose target is the cult leader RC.

NOOOOO!

But if I am your target, it confirms me as town, remember?

---

The question to be considered, at this point, is are we really looking for a scum team or are we just looking for one or two third-party anti-town-WC players?

Flavor implies The Governor & Co as the scum faction.

---

So, uh, Desperado, why does this post suck with multiple amount of crapitude?

It doesn't suck and there's no reason for you not to claim.

I just don't care at all what you think, and now that you're asking for flavor I feel the sole desire to prevent you from ever being happy

This hostility is uncalled for and serves to just push Desperado's buttons.

---

Desperado it may very well be that he has additional information regarding his role that would be anti-town to out, and giving out his flavor would expand upon that unnecessarily. You have what you need to have; that he shouldnt be voted right now. Piss off.

Maybe, but you don't need to talk for him.

---

This feels really forced.

I agree.

---

I like these Desperado votes. He doesn't look so good right now. I don't even know what to think about Matt.

I can see this as a scum post.

---

Vote: Pitoli

Also willing to policy lynch the Stupendous Man/KBW slot.
Also willing to help lynch Majiffy.

I am on board with Thor. All these seem like good lynches.

VOTE: Stupendouskey (L-1)

I'll probably just be perpetually behind in this game until night, but that's the first five pages.

Wow. Someone on the wagon who looks to have town motivation, not because of a claim, and decided to sheep a bad wagon. Town.

PEW PEW MOTHERFUCKER

VOTE: STUPENDOUS

Total fluff shit in every post she's made and stated only here to hammer. This is a waste of a slot regardless of alignment, IMO.

[Jon Doe]

In all, what we know from our wagon is that pretty much no fucking body had a good reason to get on it and that the town is easily led. Neither bode well. So, how about we bring some meta in.

In Newbie 1387 where I played with Mara and GiF, GiF gave up her propensity to WK as town or scum and ALWAYS as town starting right here...

I object to your explanation of white knighting, Wayne.
The target is usually town, but the whiteknighting itself is a playstyle.

He explained how that's a large part of his meta. Yet...

I didn't like it because it looked opportunistic, especially since his gambit benefited town.

So except for this one little thing that worded really awkwardly (scumslips aren't this blatant usually)

How is this slot scum again? (Considering that this hydra contains KBW)

This is odd behavior for GiF. He says he aggressively WhiteKnights what he sees as bad lynches when town ~ every time. Yet, though he had the opportunity to, and plainly reads SK as town, he instead throws out a limp, no conviction hand with "how is this slot scum again?". This isn't GiF as town. Also, GiF is more involved and helpful as town than what he showed D1.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

He can come back from V/LA with heat.

[Jon Doe]

Arright we can't be 100% sure yet, but it does look mightily like this game has only ONE scum team. YAY because I don't like multiball.

I would think that's pretty much implied, given there's an unstoppable horde that kills 1-3 players per night. The game would go too quickly if you threw two scum factions into the mix as well.

[Jon Doe]

And

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

[Jon Doe]

Vote: Pitoli

Is there any particular reason why?

Mother fucker I suck!

[Jon Doe]

Yes ignore the wagon that's bound to be full of scum given the nature of the lynch to go after one of the three or so players who were saying you guys were falling into an obvious trap. That's the smart play here...

Interpreting this as a sarcastic response to Amrun, You clearly think we should be looking on the wagon, not off it, but then you go after GIF, who wasn't on it, with a point that isn't objectively very good on someone who can't respond to pressure right now.

VOTE: john doe

Did you somehow miss the whole vote analysis thing where it's apparent there's nothing to be gained from that wagon at this time. There wasn't one solid reason for any vote. The ISOs I looked at for those players (which was most of them) was just as fruitless. If you're going to omgus vote me, at least have to courtesy to point out what I may have overlooked to corroborate how bad I suck.

Add bork to the scum pile because instead of giving a clear counter argument, he just discredits the case all together with no work to back up that lame shit.

[Jon Doe]

And for being V/LA and supposedly unable to respond to pressure, GiF sure is active as fuck elsewhere...

[Jon Doe]

???

Did you think she was trying to buddy up to you in 110 or did you not like her general frustration with the mile a minute posting yesterday? Because those were her only two posts before today.

[Jon Doe]

At the time I said that to Amrun, I hadn't looked at the wagon at all. Then I looked at the wagon and was like, oh... And saw why she was off that reservation.

The omgus comes from basically saying my GiF case is stupid and leaving it at that with zero counterpoints other than your opinion. At least my case has reasoning and thought behind it. Your dismissal of it reflects on you. And it's omgus.

[Jon Doe]

I did say I stuck my foot in my mouth with the Amrun thing... How long are you going to flog me for it. And yeah, having no suspicion based on WHO a player is as opposed to HOW THEY'RE PLAYING THE GAME is lame as fuck. Regrettably, I see town do that all the time. As much as I would like that to be a scum tell, it just isn't and we still need the numbers to be successful. In a perfect world where everyone puts in equal work, I would policy lynch the shit out of that.

And you haven't invalidated the GiF case.

[Jon Doe]

If anything you've bolstered it with the KBW thing.

[Jon Doe]

You know how you've bolstered it with the KBW thing, right? It's because GiF isn't a lazy fuck. He puts in the work. He has a ton of meta on people. Him saying considering KBW is in that hydra equates to him very much town reading them off a meta tell or similar, which then goes back to my point. Why didn't GiF WK when that's his always meta as town?

[Jon Doe]

AJ, did you not read my original post that links to a game I played with GiF where GiF himself goes on for about a page or so detailing that WhiteKnight is a major part of his town profile that he does like every game as town. Those are GiF's words, not mine. Take a look.

[Jon Doe]

Why didn't GiF WK when that's his always meta as town?

Because he wasn't trying to argue that he thought KBW was town. He was arguing that KBW does dumb crap a lot so stuff people are calling scummy is probably null.

Then we'll just agree to disagree. I'm not getting roped into another argue with scum for a couple of pages until he tag teams to another scumbuddy to keep it up, eventually walling in the original legitimate point I made. I thoroughly explained why I'm voting GiF. It's there to see. Deal with it.

[Jon Doe]

Sugar Cain is scum

Perhaps the most true post of this game.

No, I haven't. I'm trying to catch up on the 30+ pages you left me as a gift in two days.

Well please look at my hydra slip 815 and make up your own mind on it. I'm on a leash with my hydra for my quantity of posts and to minimize the hydra dissonance I agreed. We aren't the ones who left you that gift this game.

[Jon Doe]

And I should point out since you obviously aren't going to go read the link I provided, bork (since scum have no need to do such things), in that thread while GiF is explaining that's his meta, he also says he WK's people regardless of how he reads them when he's town. That's how I know you didn't read it. Nice slip.

[Jon Doe]

Nice post Desperado, thanks.

AJ ~ GiF said he does that always as

TOWN

, sometimes as scum. ALWAYS as town. It's worth the segue to take a look at that.

[Jon Doe]

we got the wagon to near fruition with 7 players who hadn't even shown up yet

How original. One of my scum reads disagrees with me wholeheartedly. And votes me because of it...

[Jon Doe]

he also says he WK's people regardless of how he reads them when he's town.

That's a dumb fuck thing to say, so I just did go read it and he says that "he WKs as either alignment" and that "people he WKs usually end of flipping town"

not that "he WKs people always (as town) for the fuck of it regardless of how he feels about them" Cause ??? what the fuck? That's really what you think? I don't think you think that.

Dumb it may be, but here it is all the same...

@GIF: can you explain what "whiteknighting" is?

I'm bit confused on what you're doing.

My read is null on Al, and although I am willing to compromise for the sake of avoiding no lynch d1, I will still urge the town for the mara lynch.

Think of it as a white knight from the fairy tales defending his helpless princess.
Whiteknighting is when a person openly defend the other person.
It's different from chainsaw defense, which is indirectly defending a person while attacking a person who attacked the person.

@GIF: can you explain what "whiteknighting" is?

I'm bit confused on what you're doing.

My read is null on Al, and although I am willing to compromise for the sake of avoiding no lynch d1, I will still urge the town for the mara lynch.

Think of it as a white knight from the fairy tales defending his helpless princess.
Whiteknighting is when a person openly defend the other person.
It's different from chainsaw defense, which is indirectly defending a person while attacking a person who attacked the person.

So how is whiteknighting different from just defending someone?

Also, do you defend anyone who's in trouble?

Do you require a good reason to defend someone, or is it randomly determined who gets defended?

Also, do you defend anyone who's in trouble?

Pretty much.

[Jon Doe]

So you think its a fakeclaim?

Yes.

[Jon Doe]

So you think its a fakeclaim?

Yes.

Why answear a question addressed to Despo and why, if you think its a fakeclaim are you not wanting that dead? Who are your top 4 scum reads?

I already voiced my opinion on Toog yesterday, don't understand the surprise about it today.

GiF
Toog
You

My other head thinks No Brains

[Jon Doe]

That's a gut read on No Brains. Give me some time on that one. I'm also concerned my other head is on to something given how fast the votes on us have been coming in.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

This is odd behavior for GiF. He says he aggressively WhiteKnights what he sees as bad lynches when town ~ every time.

So do you have a quote of GIF actually saying this?

Yeah. In 868 in the big fucking letters.

[Jon Doe]

w/e. GiF is scum.

[Jon Doe]

FG- do you defend ANYONE who's in trouble

GiF- pretty much

[Jon Doe]

This I agree with. OMGLY

@Desperado, Wayne's interpretation makes a whole lot more sense than yours.


@All, I also think it's important to look at why Trust Fund died. My partner made a big deal about him being scum and then all of a sudden Trust Fund dies. The move is designed, most likely, to discredit and place suspicion on our slot at the same time.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

@OMGYL - The flavor makes that obvious. I don't think Zombies use pillows.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Note:

Like in all of my previous games, such as Gears of War Mafia, flavour is not relevant to anything, it's just flavour.

*Facepalm: There goes a lot of analysis then.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Note:

Like in all of my previous games, such as Gears of War Mafia, flavour is not relevant to anything, it's just flavour.

*Facepalm: There goes a lot of analysis then.

~Titus

Yeah, except we know Chesskid died to the zombies, and you *knew* Trust was the mafia kill, not Majiffy.

S'ok, scumslips happen. Eat your rope and learn for next time.

I "knew" based on the flavor. Vig is usually referred to as a shot. Rick got shot. Zombies ate the mafia guy according to the flavor. Yet, if we aren't listening to the flavor, I don't know anything.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

What is retconning?

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Ok. That's just convenient way for you to say, hey she read the flavor and is encouraging actual analysis... that's gotta be scum behavior. Yeah, I'm pretty sure my partner was on the right track given the resistance we are facing here.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Striking Matt from the townreads list

And now you're striking someone due to their playstyle... really?

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

OGML you're trolling to try to force a slip that isn't going to happen. I applaud your efforts, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Jon Doe]

Striking Matt from the townreads list

And now you're striking someone due to their playstyle... really?

~Titus

Way to misinterpret. Nothing to do with playstyle, it's his insistence on spamming not-game content right now that is entirely anti-town.

It's anti town to get frustrated over someone trolling you and ask them to stop. If you want anti town behavior, you need to look at the instigator, not the target dipshit.

[Jon Doe]

You already slipped.

She did flavor analysis. That's not a slip genius. You slipped though.

[Jon Doe]

You already slipped.

And if you swear it is, it's a null slip. You're so fucking good at this :/

[Jon Doe]

THIS is a big part of the case for those TL:DR players:

You're scum, OGML.

Because you are not considering that he might be vig-slipping.

OGML reminds me of Oversoul-scum in Pikmin mafia where I was the vig and Oversoul totally refused to consider that I might actually be a vig, he was so intent to having me lynched (in great part because I swore to shoot him down at night if allowed to live another day).

OGML is picking on the scum chosen lynch-du-jour, Jon Doe, a hydra player that got some suspicion yesterday, and whose tone is a little tentative, so OGML smells blood. OR HE'S BUS'ING I havent figured out yet but from memory I would say that Jon Doe is town from the way he's interacting with OGML and trying to fend him off.

OGML is accusing Jon Doe of "NK-info slipping" but in fact, it is OGML himself who is "NK-info slipping" - it is only because he has inside info on the NKs that he is not considering that Jon Doe might be a vig.

@ JON DOE

- DO NOT CONFIRM OR DENY WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE VIG.

I like this post. My tone does tend to be a little tentative while looking for information. I'm curious to see what happens here with the both of you.

~Titus

VOTE: OMGL

[Jon Doe]

Nice post Desperado, thanks.

AJ ~ GiF said he does that always as

TOWN

, sometimes as scum. ALWAYS as town. It's worth the segue to take a look at that.

You know absolutely nothing about GIF Wayne. He is where he is for a reason

~Sugar

You don't have to know somebody to be capable of reading the words they themselves write...

[Jon Doe]

Nice post Desperado, thanks.

AJ ~ GiF said he does that always as

TOWN

, sometimes as scum. ALWAYS as town. It's worth the segue to take a look at that.

You know absolutely nothing about GIF Wayne. He is where he is for a reason

~Sugar

You don't have to know somebody to be capable of reading the words they themselves write...

Except GIF never wrote what you said he wrote

What part? I'll go reread that whole thread again and find it, but he most certainly said what I said he said.

pedit ~ or as any role really when it's from someone coming from a site where flavor is relevant...

[Jon Doe]

No, he specifically said it wasn't alignment indicative

I got the impression it was.

matt, now that you know it was not me do you still have a problem with my playstyle? cos I was never antagonistic towards you. I was in posh, apologised for it, what else do you need to work out

I have a problem with you. I see what you're doing with me. My medicine tastes good. Keep pouring.

I suck at life

[Jon Doe]

By sucking at life, I really meant hydra slipping, but you probably already knew that

[Jon Doe]

Why?

I'll let my other head handle this because it came from her. I will sum it up though. Flavor said smothered with pillow. She said zombies don't use pillows. Legit train of thought.

@bork I can accept that. I would like to keep it for later though if GiF gets wonky.

VOTE: OGML

[Jon Doe]

cause if he thought trust fund was the kill (and said he did cause of flavor)

that would imply he didn't know that he was wrong.

She. He wouldn't use flavor on MS and is why he waited to read your awesome flavor until after each day had passed.

[Jon Doe]

I like Thor's reluctance to have anyone label him as town.

As for the flavor thing, if the host posts it, I will analyze it unless told otherwise. I have never played with this host so I figured a flavor that long had to have clues in it.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

I like Thor's reluctance to have anyone label him as town.

I always thought I was super stoked to be called town.

In any case, now that you're town reading me - wanna sheep?

You seem to exude confidence and never second guess yourself. Would this be a fair assumption?

[Jon Doe]

I like Thor's reluctance to have anyone label him as town.

I always thought I was super stoked to be called town.

In any case, now that you're town reading me - wanna sheep?

Who said we were town reading you? That is overconfidence. I just liked something and I said that.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Thor

Obviously there may be a little dissonance to still work out in our hydra. If you could give me the answer to my question when you have the time.

[Jon Doe]

Yep. Sure did, dipshit. Because he was being a dipshit. Now I gotta make you happy with my vernacular? Piss off...dipshit.

[Jon Doe]

I seriously can't be the only one to think this behavior both relationally to SK and in general isn't scummy as fuck. Even if this slot is a duo of two scummy people (which wtf? If you're naturally scummy pls go away) there are just too many things they've said that aren't even just tonally scummy but scummy thought-wise, as in things a towny simply wouldn't even think off (covering bases over NK, 3rd party hunting, claiming exorbitant amounts of flavor analysis)

You are soooo bright. "behavior both relationally to SK and in general isn't scummy as fuck", other than being both awkward as hell and forced, is also piss poor logic. Since when do anti town players come with the blatantly obvious and since when does a role have a script to follow when they post?

[Jon Doe]

Wayne, why have you yet to spout out ridiculous Theories that no one will believe?

~SUgar

...

Working on it. I had to make some concessions to hydra with someone who is staunchly anti-gambit. Perhaps we should have called ourselves the odd couple.

[Jon Doe]

Yep. Sure did, dipshit. Because he was being a dipshit. Now I gotta make you happy with my vernacular? Piss off...dipshit.

You just ignored my request. Die.

Not Titus. Try reading.

[Jon Doe]

I thought they were super scummy coming into today for basically the same reasons. However, the assuming Trust Fund is a scum kill struck me as unlikely to come from scum if Trust Fund ISN'T the scum kill, and I think future nights will sort out which one was the scum kill. Does that make sense to you, Matt?

The "dipshit" comment isn't scummy, though.

They've done enough scummy things that just dont make sense from town to be probabilistically scum-oriented

And he just ignored every point I made except for the dipshit one and then called me a dipshit twice, which

Mod, please warn them before they're making personal insults

Blah blah personal blah blah. That was obviously a comment as to your game logic. I don't know you personally so I can't make that assumption. So, go cry me a river.

[Jon Doe]

Like, I find it hard to believe that this comment is coming from a scum-hydra.

~Sugar

I've posted in thread INCREDIBLY similar things when I was scum in Gay mafia 2 as a hydra

It makes you look like you're discussing things in your QT

Whatever, at worst you can just ignore it because it can be either

I'm not you?

[Jon Doe]

Yep. Sure did, dipshit. Because he was being a dipshit. Now I gotta make you happy with my vernacular? Piss off...dipshit.

You just ignored my request. Die.

Not Titus. Try reading.

You can post the reasons as well thanks

No I can't. I'm not her either, nor can I read her mind. Dipshitted logic.

[Jon Doe]

I'm not you?

And that's why we can disregard it! Because either way we don't know what YOU would do, but you COULD have done it to look town because it's happened before and it's not insane to believe someone other than myself could have thought of it

Yeah, and you

could

be scum looking to push the easy scum target Sugar alluded to as well.

[Jon Doe]

I'm not you?

And that's why we can disregard it! Because either way we don't know what YOU would do, but you COULD have done it to look town because it's happened before and it's not insane to believe someone other than myself could have thought of it

A couple of you know

exactly

what I would do. You ought to listen to them.

[Jon Doe]

"There goes a lot of analysis"

In the player's HEAD? Where was the analysis? She wrote in on a piece of paper? She never actually shared it with you in the convenient QT? I thought it was a lot of analysis, not just a little!

What happens when one assumes?

[Jon Doe]

Yeah, and you could be scum looking to push the easy scum target Sugar alluded to as well.

All that you've done since I've called you out is constantly insult me. You have not tried to talk to me at all, you immediately because incredibly aggressive and overdefensive. I don't think town do that.

Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

Your logic is majorly flawed. You're trying to e trap plate that my game is anything like your game. You're far from obv town. And what Mara was referring to with my crazy, she knows people do eventually listen, or fall into a trap they didn't see coming

[Jon Doe]

Yeah, and you could be scum looking to push the easy scum target Sugar alluded to as well.

All that you've done since I've called you out is constantly insult me. You have not tried to talk to me at all, you immediately because incredibly aggressive and overdefensive. I don't think town do that.

And I'm not insulting you. Already clarified that I'm calling major flaws on your logic and train of thought.

[Jon Doe]

Yeah but what do you think of that point I raised specifically?

But I just iso'ed omgl and realized he dropped a naked vote on sk d1 and NOTHING ELSE. P sure scum would feel too exposed to d that.


See Matt this is why you should have listened at the start of the day when I voted Jon Doe.

VOTE: jon doe

You've specifically raised several, so if that's for me you're going to hAve to be less vague.

[Jon Doe]

Like, I find it hard to believe that this comment is coming from a scum-hydra.

~Sugar

I've posted in thread INCREDIBLY similar things when I was scum in Gay mafia 2 as a hydra

It makes you look like you're discussing things in your QT

Whatever, at worst you can just ignore it because it can be either

I thought they were super scummy coming into today for basically the same reasons. However, the assuming Trust Fund is a scum kill struck me as unlikely to come from scum if Trust Fund ISN'T the scum kill, and I think future nights will sort out which one was the scum kill. Does that make sense to you, Matt?

The "dipshit" comment isn't scummy, though.

They've done enough scummy things that just dont make sense from town to be probabilistically scum-oriented

And he just ignored every point I made except for the dipshit one and then called me a dipshit twice, which

Mod, please warn them before they're making personal insults

And at last... Really? You can lash out at others but when the favor is returned, your heart is on your sleeve? See the hypocricy here a little bit?

And I don't want you to crawl off in a shell, so lets look at a definition

Urban Dictionary: dipshit

1. an ineffectual person; one with a habit of being wrong, loudly and often.

How is that an attack on your person in the first place?

[Jon Doe]

What happens when one assumes?

So despite you having a QT to discuss this stuff your hydra partner said NOTHING over the duration of the ENTIRE day phase in the QT about flavor analysis?

Correct, or I would have advised her not to because flavor doesn't apply here.

[Jon Doe]

You should be able to say the Jist of what she's thinking at the very least, especially if you guys are talking about it in your QT

~Sugar

Logic train... You know I know flavor doesn't apply here. On what planet would I have told her it was a good idea to do any analysis based on flavor?

[Jon Doe]

Why?

I'll let my other head handle this because it came from her. I will sum it up though. Flavor said smothered with pillow. She said zombies don't use pillows. Legit train of thought.

@bork I can accept that. I would like to keep it for later though if GiF gets wonky.

VOTE: OGML

Hm it seems like you were idk OH summarizing your hydra partner's thoughts for another player! HMMMMM

OMG! I'm really trying to have patience now because it seems you may legitimately be confused and not just being obstinate. I summarized what she had already stated

IN THE THREAD

. You asked for a detailed breakdown of her thought process. How you expected me to be able to tell you someone else's private thoughts is beyond me.

[Jon Doe]

I mean, by that logic you should probably just sheep me on every action I make, being able to read the minds of others and all.

[Jon Doe]

1. A despised person; a moron; an ineffectual person; one with a habit of being wrong, loudly and often.

Yeah, cool ignore the first part of the definition if you want to be cute with semantics.

Done with this convo. Venmar can deal with it.

pedit: Caught you in a lie, whoops!

I'm so scurred. There are many definitions to almost every word in the English language. The Urban dictionary doesn't give the nice

1.

2.

3.

Like Webster's. they use semicolons.

[Jon Doe]

And I'm sorry you took offense to something that wasn't meant to be taken the way you took it.

[Jon Doe]

I like Thor's reluctance to have anyone label him as town.

I always thought I was super stoked to be called town.

In any case, now that you're town reading me - wanna sheep?

You seem to exude confidence and never second guess yourself. Would this be a fair assumption?

Because it keeps getting buried. Someone doesn't want Thor to see this for some reason.

[Jon Doe]

Also, when you're incredibly rude and arrogant in response to me and call me personal names, which is NOT what I signed up for and is against the rules, no, that's not ok. Do not do that in the future, no matter how frustrated you are. When I was arguing with PM I made it explicit that I was frustrated only with her play and that it had no bearing on her as a person. Calling me a dipshit multiple times, which has the term "shit" in it, and then trying to exonerate yourself with an urbandictionary definition is not all right. Simple.

Pedit: Are you seriously acting haughty about me asking you not to use a term towards me? You're being ridiculous.

No. That was an apology.

[Jon Doe]

Are you going to be big enough to accept it and move on?

[Jon Doe]

Ok, to whoever wanted to know my thought process on the flavor analysis, I'll walk you through it set by step, without role claiming.

First, I don't ask my hydra head for permission to analyze that's stupid. Excuse me partner, may I have permission to scum hunt? Hahaha. Please anyone who expects me to tell my partner what exactly I'm analyzing hasn't played with me before. I analyze everything.

Now, onto what I actually read.

First, that flavor was freaking long. That indicates to me the host meant for us to read it and gather information.

1) There were three deaths.
2) The first death could not be a zombie.
3) The second death is obviously a zombie.
4) The third death said shot. Vigilantes are usually shots.

I then looked at the names. Most seemed unsubstantial at the time but for Trust Fund. Given my partner's reaction to Trust Fund, I wasn't surprised that he was dead. My working theory, which I have already exposed is that Trust Fund was killed in order to make Wayne head look bad. I figured Wayne's FoS was due to their history and told him in our QT that if we ever went after Trust Fund again, I'd do it. That was my polite way of saying I think Trust Fund is town and you're just making a butt out of us for no reason.

It does make sense. This wagon is being pushed HARD by people for analyzing something I didn't know we could indeed analyze. Frankly, that should be obvious to most of you at least one of the people pushing this is scum. What I was doing wasn't setup speculation or garbage like that. I was actually trying to move the game forward. It was just an unwritten rule that flavor doesn't get analyzed. However, the point about Trust Fund's death and all of a sudden my slot's lynch being pushed remains.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

My other hydra head might be leaving btw. I don't know why thought.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

And now my other head is getting into a fight with the mod. I was hoping that would be done privately. I'm probably no longer a hydra now. However, I will keep posting in case Wayne is kept on as part of our hydra.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

No. It's not. I was just feeding him the same as he was feeding others. A taste of his own medicine if you will. He didn't like the taste too much.

Meh

[Jon Doe]

Can we knock it off and get back to scum hunting?

Wayne, make a decision, either you're in or you're out or let the mod make it for you.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

With an unstoppable hoard and 2-5 deaths a night, I don't think multiball is an option here. SK or x-shot vig, maybe. Having two scum factions, a random 1-3 kills from a mechanic, and a SK/vig would be up to 7 dead per day. Doing the math, that doesn't add up.

[Jon Doe]

I thought it was funny Nero...

[Jon Doe]

Yep. It's 0-2. Senior moment.

[Jon Doe]

Speaking of Thor...still waiting on that answer

[Jon Doe]

Thor being shady isn't a valid reason not to vote you in the current gamestate.

please explain this?

Why would it be? At a point when reads are fluid and the game is large, you vote who is scummiest, period.

Ok, so you vote for who is scummist right? That's cool, that's like any mafia game ever but you said that the current GAMESTATE made me voteable, so what about the current gamestate makes you think there's multiscum? You think that the kill on Andrea is an SK?

Can you GLOAT moar?

[Jon Doe]

I certainly extrovert both of those things

Yes. You certainly do, but that wasn't the question. The other part just shows some hydra dissonance. She may not feel as I do yet.

[Jon Doe]

And a follow up to go with that answer...

Generally what you come up with is spot on, and most of the folks here know that, right?

[Jon Doe]

@Thor, When I like a post, it is an indication of being town but not necessarily a town read. That's all it means to me.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

I'm beginning to think OGML is pacing himself off because he hopes his wagon goes away - while we distract ourselves towards a town lynch.

Is that his normal meta as scum?

[Jon Doe]

^^ was Titus. Sorry.

[Jon Doe]

@Thor - I don't think we can sheep you on Sugar. We want OMG more. I'm sure we might consider hitting Sugar on Day 3.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

@Thor/Cain, I really like the OGML case better and his sudden vanishing after being FoSed seems to indicate he doesn't want more attention being brought to him. That being said, Sugar and GiF have been the biggest other suspects in our thread right now. Sugar and OGML are both consistent with how the nightkills went down. I just would rather stay on the wagon with a stronger case. If Sugar says something scummy later, I'll talk to my other head about it. I don't like Sugar, but I like OGML less. Sugar's voting pattern has been erratic at best. By the way, this head doesn't like "sheeping" that much. I usually hesitate to even sheep confirmed town. Plus the begging people to sheep you makes your case look much weaker and possibly scum driven.

@Thor, was the "King of the Scum" comment necessary?

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

Thor, as tempting as that sounds it would take more than two votes. Anyhow, with those answers in mind...

Also willing to policy lynch the Stupendous Man/KBW slot.
Also willing to help lynch Majiffy.

So you're saying you totally believe his claim?
...
So you think early pressure wagons are meaningless?

Functionally,

and let's be honest

, he claimed 'can't be allowed anywhere near lylo' as his role - whoop-de-flippin'-doo.

Sugar Cain - why do you think I'm voting him?

Then why do so many of your posts, and this is just a few, curry for favor and/or feel out what the consensus is before making a move? Your answers imply you're more direct, sure of yourself and that people come around to your line without this kind of behavior.

[Jon Doe]

Toog's 1292 he knows too much, is Shane, is SK

[Jon Doe]

Yup. He's easier to find in the open.

[Jon Doe]

Sure do wish Thor would come back and address my last question though.

[Jon Doe]

-Can you link me to the newbie game you reference? What was your stance on wKing in that game? What was your alignment? What was GiF's?

-What was OMGL's scumslip?

-Is GiF still scum? Is OGML still scum?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29170
I thought it looked scummy and voted GiF for doing it
Town
Town

Just sheeping DGB for reaction; no clue

Yes
I haven't even looked at OGML yet as I had other things that were more pressing

[Jon Doe]

Sugar and OGML are both consistent with how the nightkills went down.

WHAT is this?


This is basically, after the Trust Fund flip, I would expect scum to start attacking us hard for no reason. Given the fact both of you have voted us, you being scum is consistent with my view of how the nightkills went down.

Sugar's voting pattern has been erratic at best.

So that's the only reason you suspect us other than "Sugar and GIF being the most talked about in the thread"

Absolutely not. Wayne laid down the meta case against GiF. As for you, your over the top reactions and general behavior in the thread make me paranoid enough. Then, there is Thor's case which is decent but I don't fully trust Thor. I have bigger fish to fry than you. I might change my mind in the mean time.

[Jon Doe]

^^ Was Titus.

This is basically... should have fallen outside of the quotebox.

[Jon Doe]

Note:

Like in all of my previous games, such as Gears of War Mafia, flavour is not relevant to anything, it's just flavour.

*Facepalm: There goes a lot of analysis then.

~Titus

Yeah, except we know Chesskid died to the zombies, and

you *knew* Trust was the mafia kill

, not Majiffy.

S'ok, scumslips happen. Eat your rope and learn for next time.

Seriously stop having this side conversation, and vote for Jon Doe already

Pedit: Now you're retconning you reason for saying Trust was the mafia kill. Not gonna fly.

After looking at his short ISO, yeah some of it looks like smurf. After my other head explaining her whole analysis was based on flavor, his continued push looks bad. Also the bold. Since he by now knows the analysis was based on flavor alone, it looks like he

does

know TF was the mafia kill (Freudian slip).

[Jon Doe]

Yeah yeah. Can you answer it though?

[Jon Doe]

How could he "know" the analysis was based on flavor alone? -sigh-

Because she'd already said as much

[Jon Doe]

If you think white knighting is scummy, why did you do it so much this game?

Why did you say OMGL scum slipped?

I haven't

I didn't

[Jon Doe]

Yeah yeah. Can you answer it though?

I literally just did, Ponce.

I deserve that. Skimmed and missed that part. Yes, you have been opposing the status quo which I do like. I don't som much like the other response. Those quotes all had either a what does everybody else think or this is what I'm willing to do so go that direction and I'm with you currying feel to them. I don't think I'm thinking what you think I'm thinking so clearing up that issue would help me a lot on you. Dodging it or telling me its raining while you're peeing on me doesn't help.

[Jon Doe]

P-edit: right, because we take everyone at their word in the game of mafia! Makes perfect sense.

Seems to work for you. But un-smartassed answer until you have evidence to the contrary pushing b.s. is just pushing b.s.

[Jon Doe]

Thor, why the heavy defense of OMGL? Offering sheep suspects, telling people who their votes should be on. Assuming we'll fail at our lynch and then turn around and sheep him. Something ain't right with this one.

NBH, I absolutely agree.

~Titus

[Jon Doe]

And you present me with a dilemma. On the one hand I'm town reading you and would very much like to collaborate on Sugar, on the other hand I like a good challenge. Thats pretty good though picking up it was from ISO. Well let's see if I can go anywhere with the challenge first. That should take care of both issues in front of me.

[Jon Doe]

And Jon doe, once again, why did you say OMGL scum slipped?

I

didn't.