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In post 2150, Gollum wrote:
70.In post 2148, PeregrineV wrote:
A Page number?In post 2129, PeregrineV wrote:Anyone know what pages the claimapolooza started?
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In post 2144, Thor665 wrote:I don't want to lynch three players, two of whom I did want to lynch earlier and, in fact, called Thor scummy for not wanting to lynch them and how he weridly avoided doing so.
Also decided not to lynch Sangres, another player Thor already indicated no desire to lynch - probably about the same time I said all his reads were terribad.
Oh, yeah, still want to lynch Thor though - I'm sure for reasons *not* involving his weird defense of people I now also don't want to lynch.
Come again?
I've been town-reading Nacho-ffery from D1, solidified it D2, and I had not even advocated any kind of desire to lynch OGML, I even called him out as town early on.
Titus, yeah I did have as a scum-read, especially when that slot was Jon Doe but when Titus took full control over their slot, his post after that looked so incredibly geniune that I find it near impossible to call that slot scum.
and, I'm don't want to lynch you because of you're reads list, but because the targets you go after and who you chase this game is so, so, so incredibly opportunistic.
Your biggest case on me is my attack on Pitoli, though you don't explain how it is exactly scummy, our hydra diss on how we feel on the speed of the day, and being on the lynching wagon where the lynchee was town which somehow makes us mafia even though you yourself stated that you wouldn't mind helping people lynch him?
not only that, but you think we are scum, but are willing to follow Nero onto Elli when no one else is buying your case?
and then you make this wierd attack on Matt who is so, so, so incredibly Obv town, want to lynch Brains and yet, You havn't done a single hint of scum-hunting at all today. You didn't even do much yesterday.
RC: I know exactly what a hydra is, and how hydrae should play in game. I know the concept behind hydrae, I have billions of them. I realize that some of our posts aren't exactly Pro-town, though the amount of posts we have of us talking in thread isn't that bad and focusing on that fact, when it's pretty damn fucking obvious that we are playing around and using it as a means to look like you are contributing when, really you aren't is just as anti-town as us talking to each other in thread. We are keeping the bulk of our conversation in our QT and we are discussing reads and, along with that us talking and interacting with others far outweigh us talking to each other and you not even taking it into account that we are actually doing our best to keep ourselves unified whilst still having our two very different individual personalities be present in thread.
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VOTE: ToogolooIn post 2200, Toogeloo wrote:For our replacements, "The Walking Dead Mafia! Abridged Version."
Day 1 starts, MattP claims Hated Townie with a Lynch threshold of 2. Thor votes, then Toog (me) votes to hammer. MattP says, "lol, I was just kidding," and reads from the fake claim ensue. Toog (me) asks who Glenn is in the game, shortly after Amrun says she is and asks why, to which Toog (me) replies no reason but to break ice, which frustrates Amrun. Toog claims Maggie. Day 1 hits 30 pages in like 12 hours, during which conversation is mostly centered on pushing StupendousKey lynch and a variety of people giving reads on other players. Some people don't show up, or have very minimal posts during this time, including ActionDan, PeregrineV, Red Coyote, Ellibereth, chesskid, GuyInFreezer, OhGodMyLife, and a few others. Ellibereth claims to want to hammer, a few more votes eventually happen, Elli hammers. SK flips Oscar, Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 starts, Trust Fund (VT), chesskid (Goon), and Majiffy (Town Redirector) all dead. Titus slot does some analysis on the terribad SK lynch, but votes GuyInFreezer (who wasn't on the lynch) and also speculates on the kills, stating the Trust Fund kill was Mafia shot. OGML states the perspective slip and votes Titus' slot. No Brains states the reverse perspective slip on OGML, stating OGML doesn't take into consideration Titus might be a Vig and have knowledge. People vote Titus slot, half the hydra gets bent out of shape and is subsequently ejected from the game. Thor comes in, suddenly people don't like Thor for a variety of reasons. An Elli push starts due to Elli's bad play overall, Elli laughs at it. OGML claims Vig who killed Majiffy (for posting too much and looking scummy day 1), and pushes Titus harder. Titus claims Morales, Vanilla Townie. No Brains laughs, asks more votes on OGML. MattP claims Vig, chaos ensues. No Brains then claims Vig. MattP says his claim was fake because he knew No Brains was Vig and he was trying to protect their claim. No Brains states the specifics of their role, which turns out to not be a Vig at all, but a role that influences the walker kills at night. No Brains argues semantics that their role is a Vig, others try to correct No Brains and state how the mechanic works and other players can influence walkers as well.
You are now more or less caught up on the major events of the game. Feel free to continue reading though.
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ok, how aboutIn post 2261, Desperado wrote:Need more than an empty quote please
Little to no scum-hunting, set-up speculation and other similar IIoA type posts, and a tell that has yet to do me wrong? (that quote is for the tell BTW)
toogers is scum
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What's more important is that this isn't TIPscumIn post 2264, mastin2 wrote:You're gonna have to explain that to me, reeeeeeeeeeeeal slow. This aint the town-TIP I've come to expect in a game at all.
He is currently going through a play-style changing phase, so he isn't really going to play like he used to though his scum game hasn't changed I don't think. ScumTIP is extremely awkward, and it is really easy to catch from his first post. I'm not getting that vibe at all this game. He's being a bit more serious, but not serious to the point of it being ScumTIP serious.
there's alot of playful bouncing off already which is something TIP can never, ever do as scum, or I've never seen him do yet as scum
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Why is Thor town?
and My scum read on you is still there? I'm just not sure what I want to do with it, there are alot of things that you are doing that remind me of town-AJ and the feelings I have on Thor and Toogers both are incredibly strong.
I decided that Elli is probably town because Thor wanted to sheep Nero onto Eli, probably using his eventual town-flip to incriminate us in the next day phase. That isn't going to happen
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This is basically it.In post 2167, Sugar Cain wrote:In post 2144, Thor665 wrote:I don't want to lynch three players, two of whom I did want to lynch earlier and, in fact, called Thor scummy for not wanting to lynch them and how he weridly avoided doing so.
Also decided not to lynch Sangres, another player Thor already indicated no desire to lynch - probably about the same time I said all his reads were terribad.
Oh, yeah, still want to lynch Thor though - I'm sure for reasons *not* involving his weird defense of people I now also don't want to lynch.
Come again?
I've been town-reading Nacho-ffery from D1, solidified it D2, and I had not even advocated any kind of desire to lynch OGML, I even called him out as town early on.
Titus, yeah I did have as a scum-read, especially when that slot was Jon Doe but when Titus took full control over their slot, his post after that looked so incredibly geniune that I find it near impossible to call that slot scum.
and, I'm don't want to lynch you because of you're reads list, but because the targets you go after and who you chase this game is so, so, so incredibly opportunistic.
Your biggest case on me is my attack on Pitoli, though you don't explain how it is exactly scummy, our hydra diss on how we feel on the speed of the day, and being on the lynching wagon where the lynchee was town which somehow makes us mafia even though you yourself stated that you wouldn't mind helping people lynch him?
not only that, but you think we are scum, but are willing to follow Nero onto Elli when no one else is buying your case?
and then you make this wierd attack on Matt who is so, so, so incredibly Obv town, want to lynch Brains and yet, You havn't done a single hint of scum-hunting at all today. You didn't even do much yesterday.
RC: I know exactly what a hydra is, and how hydrae should play in game. I know the concept behind hydrae, I have billions of them. I realize that some of our posts aren't exactly Pro-town, though the amount of posts we have of us talking in thread isn't that bad and focusing on that fact, when it's pretty damn fucking obvious that we are playing around and using it as a means to look like you are contributing when, really you aren't is just as anti-town as us talking to each other in thread. We are keeping the bulk of our conversation in our QT and we are discussing reads and, along with that us talking and interacting with others far outweigh us talking to each other and you not even taking it into account that we are actually doing our best to keep ourselves unified whilst still having our two very different individual personalities be present in thread.
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not really well thought out, and not much done outside of trying to talk with him, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have legit points and that others can't read it and see what exactly I think about him. I mean, He doesn't even really address it in his response post? not adequately I don't think, he just says Yes, or no. The concerns here are legit, and stuff I don't think cross a townie's mind at all-
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Not to mention that he mis-repped this post really, really bad.In post 2143, Sugar Cain wrote:UNVOTE:
I don't want to touch Titus
I don't want to touch Sangres
I don't want to touch OGML
I do, however want Thor's blood
I'll re-read the game and about two hours when I get home
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1. ok? I don't see what that has to do with anything.In post 2074, Aj The Epic wrote:
Seriously, you have four to five flaws here.In post 1719, Sugar Cain wrote:
'cause I think buddies like to avoid mentioning each other and its a logical disconnect.In post 1713, Amrun wrote:
Why was leaving out AJ in particular so damning?In post 1712, Sugar Cain wrote:no Matt, this is scum. Amrun, didja ever read my Titus/AJ connection?
1. You're underestimating my ability to play scum
2. You're using confirmation bias on yourself because I have had you as scum all day and been very vocal about it.
3. That wasn't really a legitimate connection. I voted for JD because I thought the 5 post in a row a scum tell and OMGUS on OGML's calling flavor analysis a scum tell.
4. I've posted a very low amount since that incident and am admittedly more or less forgettable.
5. That was a terrible bus if it was one, and an even worse reaction.
2. No. I'm pretty sure that if you were town and you were scumreading a player and that player was all like "oh, there HAS to be scum pushing me" but ignores one of the pushers. Titus said that she felt she was being pushed by scum but she was ignoring your push. Though I kinda fucked up 'cause there were other player scumreading her slot that she never mentioned like Bork and Amrun.
3. ok? Are you even reading here? I said I thought you were scummy 'cause I thought Titus was scummy and she was NOT calling you scum despite the theory that scum were pushing her. I mean she later (maybe a backtrack) called you scum but she wasn't scum reading you for awhile.
4. Why are you posting such a small amount?
5. So your defense is that it was too terrible of reaction to come from scum, ok.-
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Well guess what? We don't have any dead scum yet.In post 2313, Titus wrote:Getting lucky doesn't mean it was right. Associations are better done with dead scum. Yet you don't seem keen on that analysis.-
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???????In post 2319, Titus wrote:@Aj, Common sense says i is highly unlikely Sugar and I are scum together.
So when I flip town that means you are scum? awesome. Thank you for letting us know.-
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What? My thinking that nothing productive will come from Chess makes you think I didn't read his ISO. What the fuck is that?In post 2320, Titus wrote:
You never even looked at his ISO. You should have. It likely confirms Brains as town.In post 2316, Sugar Cain wrote:errr, we do but I don't think we can really get anything from Chess.-
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So what useful association should I get from Chess' ISO? Niether me or Mara are scum reading NBH so it seems really odd how you blurt out "Chess likely confirms NBH"
I know that we're town and, if you are town, then you should know you are town. So it seems strange when you tell AJ that "we are unlikely to be buddies" when you should know that we aren't. So to me, using the phrase "highly unlikely" seems really odd.-
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ok....but I wasn't scumreading Brains so why do you care so much about pointing out Brains town?In post 2340, Titus wrote:
Chesskid only mentioned Dgb by name. He posted a lot with no content. He did a reactionary fos on Brains. That isn't something I would expect him to do if they were both indeed scum Day 1. Therefore,Brains is likely town.In post 2327, Sugar Cain wrote:.....................
Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO
Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!
I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?
He also did mention Eli and Dan by name. So your whole "Chess only mentioned DGB by name" is false.
but if you think that we don't get any scum reads by association off of his ISO then why are you fussing at me about getting associative tells off of Chess?
but I'm scumreading Eli and Chess did mention him so maybe.-
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In post 2340, Titus wrote:
Chesskid only mentioned Dgb by name. He posted a lot with no content. He did a reactionary fos on Brains. That isn't something I would expect him to do if they were both indeed scum Day 1. Therefore,Brains is likely town.In post 2327, Sugar Cain wrote:.....................
Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO
Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!
I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?
and there are other, far better, more accurate ways to read Brains this game. Chess's Iso doesn't really have much, other than partner WIFOM that we don't know if he will or won't do.
His Iso is meaningless, there really isn't a reason for us to Iso him at all.
and you're calling us scum because we are making associations, while not looking at near meaningless ones of the dead flipped scum?
You're probably town, but jesus christ, Your attacks are WIFOM, your defenses are WIFOM, You're being egotistical, saying scum had to be on your wagon and that you are trying to figure out which ones are scum and you don't even take into consideration that, most of the votes that were piled onto you were due to the fact that, people thought your slot could be scummy and it was a pretty big annoyance/noise maker in this game when we need noise to be reduced.
It's probably a part of my charm. You were there when it took me for fucking ever to get a wagon built on me in Mafiableh right?In post 2330, Thor665 wrote:In post 2290, Sugar Cain wrote:I decided that Elli is probably town because Thor wanted to sheep Nero onto Eli, probably using his eventual town-flip to incriminate us in the next day phase. That isn't going to happen
I still am amazed I can't get a wagon on you.
You're still scum though, which is what makes you different from Titus
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????In post 2339, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, I think you hit a nice point there, it does show a disassociation in his claimed scumhunting method, which is usually indicative of scum.
Titus doesn't even think we can find Chess' scumbuddies from his ISO, so I don't know why she thinks I should. I don't that makes any sense. I also don't see how he thinks I haven't ISO'd Chess before so w/e.-
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????In post 2339, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, I think you hit a nice point there, it does show a disassociation in his claimed scumhunting method, which is usually indicative of scum.
Titus doesn't even think we can find Chess' scumbuddies from his ISO, so I don't know why she thinks I should. I don't that makes any sense. I also don't see how he thinks I haven't ISO'd Chess before so w/e.-
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And again, I ask you what associations should I be getting from Chess?In post 2346, Titus wrote: I am fussing at you because you harp more on living associations than the dead ones. It's inconstient with your purported scumhunting. You only ISOed Chesskid after I told you what was I felt important.
I also ISO'd Chess as soon as he died and I have no clue how you think that I didn't.
Mara has been calling you town for awhile now dummy.Wow! I am sudenly town now after allegedly making a scum claim a few posts back.
I did.In post 2347, Thor665 wrote:Did you or did you not ISO Chess prior to Titus asking you about it?
If so, why such a stink about him asking?
If not, why not?
I am making such a "big stink" over it 'cause I think it makes no sense. Chess mentions DGB, Eli and Dan. I could maybe buy one of Dan/eli as scum but iys not like his ISO gives us much to go on and her "well you should be able to find a Chess buddy is his ISO" when his ISO is super wifom me is stupid,SHE'S also not able to find scum in that ISO so why does she think I shoul? its also not this contradiction you two are trying to make it out to be.-
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hahahaah.In post 2363, Titus wrote:Nice hydra dissonance claim on the scumslip to town in a few posts. When all else fails, blame the other head.
#1 that's not a scumslip #2 that's correcting you.
And no. I've already looked at Chess' ISO. You were impling that I was scum 'cause I wasn't using his ISO to find scum when you yourself don't think scum can be found in his ISO.
As for Brains, we weren't scumreading him so your "point" that we should be town reading that slot is hollow fluff.-
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hahahaah.In post 2363, Titus wrote:Nice hydra dissonance claim on the scumslip to town in a few posts. When all else fails, blame the other head.
#1 that's not a scumslip #2 that's correcting you.
And no. I've already looked at Chess' ISO. You were impling that I was scum 'cause I wasn't using his ISO to find scum when you yourself don't think scum can be found in his ISO.
As for Brains, we weren't scumreading him so your "point" that we should be town reading that slot is hollow fluff.-
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We know what associations are, and how they can be used but I'm just saying that Chess's associations aren't the best ones to make conclusions out of given, he's barely had enough to make anything solid...
I can't speak for the fact of whether or not Nero did or did not Iso Chess, but it's very possible to forget that he died and flipped scum since it won't be present in his Iso
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Yes?In post 2348, TheIrishPope wrote:Lemme rephrase that: Elli or Sugar, do you care who gets lynched today?
I don't want any of my town-reads lynched, and I would much prefer to have the people I have been attacking and calling scum be lynched. I would also like it if OGML actually listened to people who are so, so incredibly town when the tell him to not shoot sangres because, frankly, that slot is town. I almost feel like he is going to lose the game for us with bad shots...
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But I am, as should you, be looking for scum. And Brain's doesn't look like a Chess buddy so why should I care about that? That's right, 'cause I'm town and only care about finding scum. Therefore your claim that I am "not hunting via association" is a big ball of bullshit b/c you stated that you don't think scum can be found bwo Chess' ISO.In post 2375, Titus wrote:In post 2370, Sugar Cain wrote:
hahahaah.In post 2363, Titus wrote:Nice hydra dissonance claim on the scumslip to town in a few posts. When all else fails, blame the other head.
#1 that's not a scumslip #2 that's correcting you.
And no. I've already looked at Chess' ISO. You were impling that I was scum 'cause I wasn't using his ISO to find scum when you yourself don't think scum can be found in his ISO.
As for Brains, we weren't scumreading him so your "point" that we should be town reading that slot is hollow fluff.
There's more than scum that can be found via association, Cain. Innocent players can also be found through ISOing. The analysis I did regarding Brains being town from Chesskid's posts is hardly hollow fluff. For someone who seems to read associations, you aren't being that good at it. For instance, a hypothetically shot Cop should be isoed to see if he abnormally defended anyone still alive. If so, the cop probably thought that player was inno due to a check. Association is not just about ZOMG! They were nice to each other. Scum.
If you were legitimately doing these associations you would not have a) forgetten Chesskid was dead OR forgotten he was scum. AND b) you would have posted that you couldn't find anything in chesskid's ISO. The fact you did these things strongly suggests you never ISOed Chesskid.-
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Such a hardcore stance, no way you could possibly be scum with THAT.In post 2470, Titus wrote:. In fact, I have said that Eli was either horrible town or scum-
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In post 2425, Titus wrote:Ok, I'll hold my reservations on meta judgment until then. Also, I'm going out of my way to really look at this meta since a lot of people disagree with me. Normally,my belief is meta has little value since the player is aware of it.In post 2473, Titus wrote:I asked questions to try and clarify whether Eli was scum in my mind (was this his meta?). I never got 100% clear responses although Brains is starting to be clear now.-
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Of course there is? there aren't any tells that are black and white, though I just missed Thor's summary. Him and toogers are definitely not scum together though their separate summaries each have things in them that kinda bother me.In post 2426, sangres wrote:
I read way more than I post in the mafia discussion forum. In that particular instance, the topic was of interest to me because about that time I was playing an ungodly long newbie game and someone replaced into it at the start of day 2. He asked for a summary and I did a sort of conversational mode Q&A rather than a wall. It turned out to be a good way for us both to develop reads. There may be something to Mara's summary tell, but it's more nuanced than summary = scummy. The fact that it was the summary with the flowery turns of phrase and narrative style that pinged for her in this game probably says something about how she thinks about the tell, herself.In post 2423, Aj The Epic wrote:
Interesting to note, however: Neither of you had any part in the discussion. May I ask how you came across the discussion?In post 2396, sangres wrote:
I didn't see it as flail, given who posted it.In post 2394, Thor665 wrote:
I saw no logic in it and dismissed it as flail.In post 2392, sangres wrote:Am I the only person who caught what this vote was about?
Pedit: I really, really do not like this Elli lynch-
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He hasn't done anything particularly scummy?
Nero did like the Elli wagon earlier and I didn't oppose, though that was before you became the main pusher of that wagon
and no, that isn't the basis of our scum read on you but it is a pretty good addition to what I had stated earlier. I really, really do not see the town-motivation of following ones scum-read
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The "no will to stay alive thing" Is more townish than scummish IMOIn post 2541, Toogeloo wrote:Elli essentially popped into the thread and said, "Here's my claim, bye now!" He's had no content at all, and even at L-1, has had no fight to stay alive.-
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So why were you all like "RC can just post his stuff later!!!" Why not let him get his post up today?In post 2591, Titus wrote:Promises without fulfillment in a reasonable timeframe tend to increase a player's scumread. I'm leaning this way very heavily.
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