Death's Diner -Game Over-

[BROseidon]

amrun is probably my top scumread behind the obvious slandaar. < her flat out refusal to vote zoidberg is a huge point on favour, plus her suspicions of bro. how you guys didn'tlynch her d2 is beyond me but then again, i am yet to reach that stage.

I wanted to lynch her a lot. Rofl pushed the Dethy group to go after the EK slot first, but then the overall town switched the push onto Amrun. Then the Nati wagon happened instead of the Amrun wagon, and we were sad

Also, RA, I still think Amrun is scum.

[BROseidon]

RA, you are right about my assumptions. I volunteered and said don't fuck with the deathy. So Stubbs instead fucks with the deathy. No. Stubbs wants eyes and ears in that cop chat after Slandaar is lynched. Why would Slandaar be voting for a massclaim if the scums have a name cop?

The scum already have all the information currently in the Dethy room.

After that it will only be me.

Unless Stubbs gained neighbor status with his steal, in which case it will be us.

[BROseidon]

With 19 people does 4 or 5 total scum make more sense?

I'm trying to work out scum-team combinations that look sense to poly-ISO together when I get a chance.

[BROseidon]

Also I'm starting to get paranoid about Titus :/

[BROseidon]

Can we just lynch Slandaar.

I got prodded because I literally have nothing to post right now

[BROseidon]

Final-fucking-lee.

And no, Zoidberg wasn't unlucky. Rofl and I called out your coordinated timing attack.

It's called outplayed ^_^

[BROseidon]

Although it was a clever idea to try to attack me in two places at once knowing that most of the Dethy didn't want to reveal.

[BROseidon]

I INVESTIGATED ORIOLE AND GOT GUILTY AGAIN.

FUCK I'M PISSED ABOUT SLANDAAR BEING A TRAITOR. IT DIDN'T FUCKING OCCUR TO ME THAT THE BALANCE WOULD BE SO SHITTY THAT SCUM WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE DETHY GAME. IF I HADN'T GOTTEN LAZY DAY 1 WE COULD HAVE LITERALLY JUST OUTRIGHT WON THE GAME FOR TOWN WITH IT.

UGH I'M PISSED. I WAS LAZY BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD.

Also, we should definitely talk shit through before lynching Amrun. I'm thinking 5 scum makes sense given the strength of town PRs, which would mean that we're at 6:3, and a mislynch today would put as at LyLo. This also means we need to stop letting Mac/P5/Oriole/Baezu coast, because Me/Muffin/RA being the only ones playing the game will certainly lose it for us.

ALSO I HAVE CONFTOWN STATUS EVEN MORE THAN EVER NOW.

I'VE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS FEELS GREAT.

RA, why have you not been vigging people? What have you and Oriole been talking about in your neighborhood?

[BROseidon]

I think I was skipped day4, and day 3 ended as soon as MS posted his mod PM. I'll have to look back, but yes, Bro, being the last living member of the dethy after they had a scum flip, I guess you are now conf town.

Yeah, day 4 went by super fast, and MS fucked us over day 3 >:C

[BROseidon]

Here are what the Dethy results were:

Bro: Amrun guilty, AJ guilty, Muffin guilty, Oriole guilty. <-Either paranoid or insane with all of these being town (if Amrun and Muffin are both town I will shit myself, that's why I chose that distribution)
MS: Stubbs inno, ability stolen.
GP: TD inno, _____ inno NEVER CLAIMED GOD DAMMIT
rofl: ALSO NEVER CLAIMED DAMMIT. Probably got an innocent.

Slandaar gave Titus inno Mac/AA9 guilty. I don't want to play the game of "did the traitor know who scum were" WIFOM game right now.

Whomever rofl investigated has to be scum (assuming he got an innocent and his purpose in not claiming was to keep me unconfirmed). He never said who he investigated, which pisses me the fuck off.

Current player list is:

Rift Adrift (Syryana/fferyllt)
Baezu***
Titus
Mac (AA9)
PeregrineV**
oriole**
BROseidon**
zMuffinMan (E_K)
Amrun

Lynch pool today is def Amrun, but we need to get talking. I'm tired right now and don't feel like looking at this game, but we aren't ending the day phase yet. Please don't let Amrun self hammer before I get to look at everything I want to. There is a very low chance that both RA and I make it to tomorrow, so I'd rather have everything between us fleshed out so that we put town in the best position possible, given that my shoddy day-1 play has already fucked over town.

I'm also toying with the idea of mass claim today, although tomorrow may be more appropriate for it.

pedit: Whoops Titus don't know where you went girl. Sorry 'bout that >.>

[BROseidon]

I just realized something.

But first, are we a-go on mass claim?

[BROseidon]

I think I've figured out who rofl targeted based on the Dethy QT but it's not 100% (like, I didn't catch a blatant crumb but I'm thinking it's fairly obvious).

[BROseidon]

^That order is what I would prefer.

[BROseidon]

didn't Baezu claim VT D1 when he was run up?

She did...

RA: He was scumreading from towards the end of day 1. His first conclusion in the Dethy QT was a scumteam of you, GP (bad read), Eddie (bad read), and muffin. I'm pretty sure that he didn't investigate within that group based on his night 2 postings.

pedit: ding ding ding I got the same conclusion as Muffin based on reading the QT. He was insanely livid that the Amrun lynch didn't go through, despite the fact that the group had agreed to push muffin during N1. She was basically the only player rofl mentioned at all in the Dethy QT N2.

[BROseidon]

So Amrun->p5->Mac->muffin order?

Once Amrun gets here we can get this train a-rollin'.

[BROseidon]

Now we wait for muffin...

[BROseidon]

So all of our power was out before massclaim?

MASS CLAIM SUCCESS BITCHES.

Also Oriole needs to get his ass back in here to prove his towniness because his role makes sense as a scum role from a design perspective and I'm not liking the slot nearly as much anymore.

But the lynch today is still Amrun.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Amrun

[BROseidon]

I'm worried he'll be replaced out and we'll have another person who needs to catch up on 140 or so pages in the late game.

What's he said in the QT?

[BROseidon]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

BRB waiting for replacement before ending the day. Nobody else place votes down...

[BROseidon]

I don't think the game is all wrapped up at all.

I do think Amrun is scum.

10/10

I'm actually feeling really uncomfortable with the current gamestate beyond Amrun-scum.

I also think that 6 scum would be too many.

[BROseidon]

I was the person who first presented that.

From a design perspective, it would make sense to include a scum neighborizer to gain access to the Dethy QT. Given that the scum in there was only a traitor, that part of the game could have easily wrecked for town if scum never NK's their traitor. A neighborizer/roleblock would have given them access.

I think at least one of the PR claims is scum. 3 VZs seems unreasonably low. Titus and Oriole have the most suspect PR claims.

[BROseidon]

Also Stubbs shouldn't have fucking claimed and I'm still pissed about it >:C

[BROseidon]

Ugh I have nothing to contribute at this point.

p5, Mac, and whoever replaces Oriole, please argue about which 2/3 of you are scum so I can figure it out. thx <3

[BROseidon]

you are confirmed town, shouldnt you be doing more than sitting back doing nothing?

It's hard to do stuff when you've PoE'd the game down to near completion and the people you're trying to figure out are have like 5 posts each.

[BROseidon]

@Mod can we get a deadline extension if Oriole is not replaced in a timely fashion?

[BROseidon]

It's called hyperbole...

[BROseidon]

It's called hyperbole...

Then what are you really complaining about, in English?

Oriole seems to have siteflaked.

Mac is currently V/LA and has posted relatively little. AA9 did jack shit with the slot.

You've been relatively low content until recently.

It's hard to get solid reads on slots when the slots aren't doing anything, and I think we only have 1 mislynch left, which means I need any townies among you three to demonstrate extreme towniness in case I'm wrong on Titus or Muffin.

[BROseidon]

I even read all your posts in between. The ones where you didn't scumhunt Oriole, didn't scumhunt Titus, or scumhunt period. If you did, show me.

Why does someone have to actively scumhunt for their reads to change?

[BROseidon]

They don't. Rapid changes require huge events or active scum hunting but it is only natural for reads to slowly evolve over time.

Why are you interrupting my line of questioning on p5?

[BROseidon]

>:C

[BROseidon]

I know how you feel now.

[BROseidon]

Deadline's in a day.

We should just end it soon >.>

[BROseidon]

Hey guys.

RA probably got killed over me because I largely did jack shit yesterday, and ffery+syry is a far bigger threat than lone me (both of them are individually stronger players than me, and they work reasonably well in hydra). That said, now that obvscum Amrun is caught, RA is dead, and I'm probably dead after tonight, I'm going to put in effort to close out this game.

I'm going to do a reread of a ton of shit, since I have a relatively weak grasp on the rest of the game. However:

1) We are at an even number, which means we have to NL eventually. Given that I am conftown, we should never NL while I'm alive, and the NL should probably happen in MyLo.

2) I'm going to play with the assumption that the scumteam was 4+traitor, which means I'm going to be looking for two remaining scum that would make sense with Zoidberg and Amrun, with the possibility that Slandaar knew who they were.

[BROseidon]

Why did I think that we're at an even number...

[BROseidon]

Oh, I'd forgotten about the lovers.

1-shot Vig to counteract lovers dying to keep the numbers odd.

What a cute setup trick.

[BROseidon]

Looks like things are happening. Good. Unfortunately, I do not have time to deal with them now.

Mod: I will be V/LA through this Sunday

[BROseidon]

I'll respond more specifically to things tonight but the reason I'm not voting right now is because I don't want to put someone at L-2 so that scum can quick hammer.

Why would scum quickhammer if it's not LyLo.

Unless you want to say that there are 6 total scum.

[BROseidon]

Who went for Natirasha over Amrun?

Please tell me that someone did this before I got back so that I don't have to...

Also, maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm catching up right now and I'm having a hard time pinning anything down for certain.

[BROseidon]

and yes, i'm aware that if oriole and you are town, that would make the first 9 slots on zoidberg town, but stranger things have happened. i've seen a game where a wagon of the same size on a town player consisted entirely of town players (and that game was lost largely due to VCA, ironically).

In all fairness, Zoidberg was, like, really obvscum.

[BROseidon]

BRO stop being a lazy fuck

Dude I just got back from my V/LA. I'm almost caught up.

[BROseidon]

Caught up. Intent to hammer p5, but there's some stuff I want to take care some time between tomorrow and Wednesday when I have 30 minutes.

I want to do some in-depth analysis of Nati vs. Amrun, because Amrun totes should have been lynched that day, but something happened and it got Nati lynched despite the fact that I had pulled off (me being one of the biggest Eddie pushers), and despite Nati not actually being that scummy.

[BROseidon]

Considering the amount of effort I'm putting in that's being ignored, I'll hammer tommorrow morning if I'm still at L-1. Don't want to with 8 days left, but if everyone else has given up I'm not playing by myself.

You coasted through the first 4 day phases, though. Yeah, you're putting in a lot of legwork now, but it looks like scum realizing that they need to actually close out the last few mislynches because conftown-me is still around, and muffin and titus are both very strong universal townreads.

[BROseidon]

Probs 2, I'll be glad as if it's 1.

Gonna do some VCA now.

[BROseidon]

2.1:

zMuffinMan (3) - roflcopter, BROseidon, Ghostly Penguin
Natisrasha (3) - Amrun, oriole, PeregrineV

What's interesting here is that the dethy QT had pre-planned a jump onto Muffin, which is why we all so quickly made the jump here. That Nati got 3 votes in a similar timeframe, with Amrun being the first vote, is strongly indicative of scum pushing a pre-planned mislynch here. Looks bad for Kalimar and p5.

2.2:

zMuffinMan (6) - roflcopter, BROseidon, Ghostly Penguin, Amrun, Slandaar, Metal Sonic
Natisrasha (2) - oriole, PeregrineV

Amrun jumps ship when she sees that the dethy QT is all pushing the same person. Further evidence that Muffin is town.

2.3

Amrun (3) - Titus, zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina
zMuffinMan (4) - roflcopter, BROseidon, Slandaar, Metal Sonic
Natisrasha (2) - oriole, PeregrineV
PeregrineV (3) - Amrun, Ghostly Penguin, Romeo

Titus/Muffin push an Amrun counterwagon. More evidence that those two are town. Also, a p5 counterwagon pops up with one scum and two town. Not quite sure what to make of it here.

3.4:

Amrun (3) - Titus, zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina
zMuffinMan (4) - roflcopter, BROseidon, Slandaar, Metal Sonic
Natisrasha (3) - oriole, PeregrineV, Baezu
PeregrineV (3) - Amrun, Ghostly Penguin, Romeo

Baezu joins the Natirasha wagon. Not sure what to make of this.

3.5

Amrun (5) - Titus, zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, Natisrasha, roflcopter
zMuffinMan (3)- BROseidon, Slandaar, Metal Sonic
Natisrasha (3) - oriole, PeregrineV, Baezu
PeregrineV (3) - Amrun, Ghostly Penguin, Romeo

That Amrun wagon is incredibly town-driven. Nothing else of note.

3.6:

Amrun (6) - Titus, zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, Natisrasha, roflcopter, Metal Sonic
zMuffinMan (2) - BROseidon, Slandaar
Natisrasha (4) - oriole, PeregrineV, Baezu, Rift Adrift
PeregrineV (4) - Amrun, Ghostly Penguin, Romeo, Juliet

Xiao and TD both think p5 is scum here. This is starting to look like distancing. AA9's lack of doing anything is disconcerting. p5 and kalimar still haven't moved off Nati.

3.something:

Amrun (5) - Titus, zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, Natisrasha, roflcopter
zMuffinMan (1)- BROseidon
Natisrasha (5) - Baezu, StubbsKVM, Slandaar, Metal Sonic, Amrun
PeregrineV (2) - Ghostly Penguin, Juliet
Metal Sonic (2) - oriole, Romeo

Oriole moves to MS, p5 moves off everything. Baezu sticks around.

Amrun (4) - zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, roflcopter, Natisrasha
Natisrasha (6) - Baezu, StubbsKVM, Slandaar, Metal Sonic, Amrun, oriole
PeregrineV (4) - Ghostly Penguin, Juliet, Titus, BROseidon
Metal Sonic (2) - Romeo, Rift Adrift

Oriole jumps right back on the Nati wagon a bit later.

Amrun (4) - zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, roflcopter, Natisrasha
Natisrasha (6) - Baezu, StubbsKVM, Slandaar, Amrun, oriole, PeregrineV
PeregrineV (5) - Ghostly Penguin, Juliet, Titus, BROseidon, Romeo
Metal Sonic (2) - Rift Adrift, Metal Sonic

And p5 jumps right back on...

Amrun (7) - zMuffinMan, Aunt Jemina, roflcopter, Natisrasha, BROseidon, Rift Adrift, Titus
Natisrasha (7) - Baezu, StubbsKVM, Slandaar, Amrun, oriole, PeregrineV, Metal Sonic

This is where shit gets interesting. Both wagons are approaching lynch. The Amrun wagon is incredibly town. The Nati wagon is incredibly questionable.

This also suggests that Slandaar knew who the other scum were, since he's resisting the Amrun lynch against me and rofl.

Town pushes the wagon to a lynch over the Amrun wagon (wtf ghost and penguin >:C). Here's what the final wagon looks like:

Natirasha (10) - Baezu,

StubbsKVM

,

Amrun

, oriole, PeregrineV,

Metal Sonic

,

Romeo

,

Ghostly Penguin

,

Slandaar

, Titus

Based on the way the wagons played out here, combined with what's happened today, I think most-least likely scum is p5, mac, kalimar, Baezu.

Anyone have anything else to say, or can I hammer now?

[BROseidon]

VOTE: p5

[BROseidon]

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk I fucked up this game hard.

If we'd kept the Dethy secret, and I'd played better day 1, we could have gotten enough results safely to win the game.

Also gj Muffin turning that slot around.

[BROseidon]

That it was town that pushed Nati over Amrun is still baffling to me...

[BROseidon]

AJ why did you think Elvis was town? Elvis was really obvscum, and really should have been the lynch day 1 before Zoidberg's attack on me even happened (or Baezu, for that matter. I'm confused as to why that wagon dissipated after a VT claim...)

Also, yeah, I should have caught the bus, but bussing hard-counters my town game in a way that I need to work on.

[BROseidon]

Also, Stubbs not claiming would have won town the game.

[BROseidon]

Random investigate was the right choice given our knowledge of the setup. We made some faulty assumptions, though (mostly that the person in the group wasn't a traitor, which nobody considered, and then seemed unlikely given the timing of Zoidberg's attack).

And yeah, Titus, you played solid up until LyLo. You jumped the gun hard; showing patience in LyLo will go a long way for you.

[BROseidon]

I just ran through the numbers and it wouldn't have outright won the game for him not to have claimed until 7 people, but it would have helped a lot while having the potential to outright win the game (if he investigated both you and Baezu before claiming).

Also, Titus, why did you think there would only be 4 scum total in this game... It seemed pretty obvious that it was 5

[BROseidon]

There were, like, lovers...

Town had 2 cops that could have stayed hidden from scum for a while, a Vig, and Neighborizer/Roleblocker (positive utility, since it should have actually been used to target scum), and multiple power-stealing abilities (holy fuck imagine if Stubbs had stolen rofl's and coasted as an INSANE COP for most of the game...)

It was going to be 5 scum. Everything was gated to a degree, but not *that* strongly gated.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, the lover kill was pretty clutch. TD/Xiao/Titus could have definitely played that off a bit better.

[BROseidon]

...So Stubbs would have then just used the role wrong.

>:C