Why would you assume that scum would be on your RVS wagon? Why would you then also proceed to vote for someone off your wagon?In post 34, Drama Llama wrote:I can almost guarantee that there are at least two scum on my wagon.
I fail to see why I have such a following.
How do you expect things to happen if wagons don't form?In post 74, The Jolly Old Man wrote:I dislike wagons in RVS stage, and the reason I did not move my vote instantly off of drama llama was for the very reason that I didn't like his reaction to the wagon.
Why would this be a concern?In post 74, The Jolly Old Man wrote:I removed my vote because I did not want to risk the wagon growing to a lynch phase. considering that we've barely had time to gather data.
This is a good point.In post 80, Sting and his Beard wrote:Lea, for someone so keen for me to explain my vote on you, you don't seem at all interested in the explanation.
This is the driving factor in why I dislike the Llama unvotes.In post 81, Sting and his Beard wrote:There were better reasons to vote Lea than there were the llama, but why be scared of information?
Dat OMGUS. You're ignoring his stated position, and the reasoning driving it.In post 85, The Jolly Old Man wrote:But if you insist that I lay down a vote:
VOTE: Sting and his Beard
You are WAY to obsessed with my motivations for unvoting drama llama and not voting anyone else. It's like you wanted me to stay on a mislynch so you could use it for later.
Can we not do shit like this. Playing the "guess who everyone is" game is counter to a lot of what playing an anon game is for.In post 86, Shrumz wrote:thor sting is probably town so get your vote off him
Why do you not like things happening?In post 87, Dream of Eden wrote:Why are you so insistent on people voting someone?In post 84, Sting and his Beard wrote:Kamietsu, The Jolly Old Man, Edgar Allen Pro, Lea, Drama Llama all need to vote someone. No excuses.
Not getting to play with meta was a huge draw for me.In post 98, mangi wrote:Do you think tying people to their meta is a bad thing?
Do you think Llama taking stances, but not dealing with his wagon in any way could be him trying to divert pressure?In post 111, Big Government wrote:As you pointed out yourself, Dream's posts not only aren't doing much but are almost designed to keep the game from progressing. Llama has at least given a couple of reads and taken some stances. Dream's posts are undermining attempts by other players to get the game going.In post 93, Powerful Diomedes wrote:@Big Government why not Llama? He's also incredibly not doing anything, even with having the leading wagon.
...no opinion on mangi, despite his prominence?In post 132, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:-Don't like the inactivity from some players, wish everyone had been very active up to now, but that's a bit hypocritical coming from me, eh?
-StigandBeard is in that awkward point of either being aggressive town or scummy scum.
-Dream of Eden makes me uncomfortable.
-Willow Ghost and pretty much anyone voting without articulation should be punched.
-Drama Llama is probably scum, but we'll get there.
-Let's talk about the issues.
That's fair, but he said "2 people on my wagon are scum," then proceeded to vote off his own wagon.In post 138, Big Government wrote:It could. But I think it's natural for a lot of players to not be worried about wagons on them this early in the game.
I don't see why (1) is a problem.In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:BIG GOVERNMENT - Null-lean-scum.
Spoiler:
(1)Initial RVS vote lingers until he puts a serious vote on Lea at 60, condemning her for how she handles (or fails to handle) the Drama Llama wagon.
(2)Otherwise, criticisms from this slot are that players aren't doing enough to get the ball rolling. Specifically attacks Dream of Eden for stalling.
(3)Ultimately, doesn't contribute much, is very critical of only a handful of players, and(4)has yet to really be threatened on D1. His pushes on Dream of Eden feel contrived and hardly backed by anything other than posturing.
Gut says this slot is town, but my head thinks otherwise.
This case is also bad. There's been a decent amount from the slot, and it's pushed the game forward somewhat.In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:DRACO MALFOY - Null-lean-scum
Spoiler:
Doesn't really do much of anything this game, aside from call for people to post.
His first vote on Lea isn't very articulated.
Otherwise, has been zeroing in on Shrumz and Lea and that's about it.
Feels like his roleplay is getting in the way of content. Hm.
Either way, I'd like more from this slot.
Why did he vote off his wagon and then proceed to dodge questions about that vote?In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:DRAMA LLAMA - Null-lean-Town
Spoiler:
Ensures that there's at least two scum on the wagon, which I can either see as town spazzing out or as scum trying to divert.
Interaction with Mangi is bad, but it turns out that Mangi is town, so that's good.
Is pretty critical of people for most of the same reasons why I'm critical of people.
Seems to be sussing out players and doing some pro-town work.
This is the first case I don't hate.In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:DREAM OF EDEN - Scum.
Spoiler:
Joins the Drama Llama wagon a bit too much outside of RVS. OMGUS a bit there, too.
Don't like his reactions/deflects when other players assault him.
Hasn't done much in this game.
It does, but I have more questionsIn post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:Has solid questions for me. Hope this post speaks to them.
(1): Why is this scummy? I find that his vote pattern has good trajectory.In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:Shrumz - Scumz.
Spoiler:
(1)Doesn't articulate, doesn't explain actions, etc etc.
(2)Gets on the Dreams of Eden wagon too easily.
Doesn't critically engage the game. Feels like he’s coasting.
Why null-lean-scum instead of just null?In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:WILLOW GHOST - Null-lean-scum
Spoiler:
Two posts to read into?
Worthless votes that aren't articulated?
Seems detached from the game?
C'mon, get back in here and actually play.
And you chose not to stay on his wagon after this because...In post 160, The Jolly Old Man wrote:DramaLlama: Dislike first post. Guarantees that there are two scum on an RVS wagon, doesn't explain why or who might it be. Votes with no explination.
In the technical sense, maybe, but you voted in response to him putting a lot of pressure on you, despite the fact that Sting was very town in his line of reasoning.In post 160, The Jolly Old Man wrote:OMGUS would require Sting to be voting for me would it not?
So much hedging, with a side of overemphasizing.In post 160, The Jolly Old Man wrote:Dream of Eden: Despise the stupidness of your first post, it's a very clear OMGUS from a clearly WTF vote. Don't like your reaction to Madotsuki. Ikind ofagree with his question of 87but at the same time I don't.Mainly because Ipersonallydon't like throwing my vote around willy nilly at whomever I think is scum. I want to use my vote when Ireallywant to pressure someone. 129:Not really,you doessentiallycommit an OMGUS and try to call it a "counter random-vote" Um yes. I'd call that what MD calls it.While part of me wants to say town, I can definitely see him as scum.
And he makes sense with both of them because...In post 160, The Jolly Old Man wrote:Shrumz: 86: first post of any note. I dislike it and then his response as well. I can definitely support a lynch on you after reading you. No comments of any worth or towniness. Works very well with Dream of Eden scum or DramaLlama scum.
A case should have evidence->argument, with explanations as to why the evidence supports the argument. It was the first case where I didn’t disagree with either the evidence or the links being made from the evidence.In post 181, Dream of Eden wrote:Why?In post 174, Powerful Diomedes wrote:This is the first case I don't hate.In post 149, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:DREAM OF EDEN - Scum.
Spoiler:
Joins the Drama Llama wagon a bit too much outside of RVS. OMGUS a bit there, too.
Don't like his reactions/deflects when other players assault him.
Hasn't done much in this game.
*waves hand*In post 182, The Jolly Old Man wrote:I like how so far most of my critics are either null or scum reads. Seems like I'm on the right track.
BothIn post 190, Ruthless MD wrote:Are you dissecting those particular reads because you disagree with the final assessment, or because you disagree with the logic used to reach the assessment?
So how do you deal with town players who use this style? It's not like we don't know why he's voting the way he's voting, and I appreciate the concision.In post 199, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:@Diomedes: I find that when players don't explain their votes, or when they don't articulate -why- they are voting the way they are, that it gives them a lot more room to come up with a good reason when questioned later. It's a fairly anti-town tactic, since anyone can explain why they are making a vote when they do. Consciously deciding not to shows that the reasons are either faulty, would come under scrutiny, and/or simply aren't enough to warrant a vote. Clarity is masked, and scum get to hide in that smoke.
Why aren't you voting him?In post 200, Shrumz wrote:"i need to back away from this push as nonchalantly as possible because i bit off more than i can chew
i dont actually have any rebuttals but i dont want to lose the argument so im going to baselessly state that i won and then hop on this wagon that is relatively easy to push through"
moar pro votes plz tia
Having an early reads list is null.In post 202, mangi wrote:I'm not sure what to think of Jolly Old Man or Edgar. Both of them supplied reads lists which are fairly pro-town in thought. Scum probably do not want to tie themselves to any commitments at this stage in the game. But there is a caveat... I thought Jolly's list was haphazardly thrown together. I don't like the way it was constructed. His results are not user friendly to read and he does not seem to be sure of himself. That is a great way to feign activity and (magic) to make sure no one actually reads the post. I'm not reading that crap anyway. Not until it has some links in it.
...Except it is an important question, for two reasons:In post 210, Sting and his Beard wrote:Scum prefer asking superficial questions - "why no townreads" is a great example of something that can look important but actually isn't (at that stage of the game, scumreads are more important than townreads, and some players prefer keeping theirs quieter anyway). Who gives a shit if he's focusing on scumreads - if anything it's a towntell. The question just addresses the post on a practical level rather than really being inquisitive.
I could figure that much out on my own. Can you not insult my intelligence and explain why you think thatIn post 235, The Jolly Old Man wrote:As to why I feel he works well with either Dream or Drama as scum (referring to Shrumz) It's partially interaction between them for me. Some how his actions towards both of them stink of slight bussing attempts and distancing.
I'm trying to start one now. Why aren't you on itIn post 307, Shrumz wrote:unless a jolly wagon starts because id like that too
Telling someone that I'm pushing a wagon he wants to happen=taking charge of town. Obviously.In post 317, Drama Llama wrote:Why is it you think you can take charge of the town?In post 315, Powerful Diomedes wrote:I'm trying to start one now. Why aren't you on itIn post 307, Shrumz wrote:unless a jolly wagon starts because id like that too
Why do you think the Drama wagon will turn out the same way?In post 332, Willow Ghost wrote:The mistake of yesterday was the Dream of Eden lynch.In post 328, Powerful Diomedes wrote:How do you know that wagon was a mistake?
Why not?In post 351, Sting and his Beard wrote:I don't think Jolly is anywhere near priority No.1 at the moment, either.
1) Your giant wall was fluffy and very surface level; it's the sort of thing scum write to appear engaged without actually providing analysis.In post 357, The Jolly Old Man wrote:I really don't see the case against me or how Shrumz is town. I can see the logic behind some of Sting's comments and may look into them further.
Tryharding in a game where the majority of players are lurking is clearly a bad ideaIn post 358, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:I've been pretty absent.
You scumlords need to stop trying so hard.
Why are you letting your content suffer for a "style change," then?In post 371, The Jolly Old Man wrote:You're description of Shrumz reminds me of many scum I've played against. In fact, even a few games where I was scum. I am sorry to say but your argument for scum me could equally be lazy town trying not to seem too much like his main. I refer you to my last post, it is all too true.
How is saying "this is scum, I want it lynched" fence sittingIn post 379, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:Welp, Jolly's a mislynch.
Don't like the awkward fence-sitting some players are doing about it (looking at you, Diomedes).
I don't like the cogdis here.In post 432, mangi wrote:Bad vote. Worse group of targets except for maybe Edgar and Jolly. We should lynch one of them.
I think Edgar.
VOTE: Edgar
Because bussing's common.In post 429, Lea wrote:That being said, why is everyone assuming that someone actually did bus Shrumz?
His absence after his strong start is concerning.In post 447, mangi wrote:My faith in Sting is quickly dwindling.
The way you wrote the summaries made it feel like you should be townreading them.In post 457, The Jolly Old Man wrote:Did I say they were town? I'm not seeing a case for them being town either. At best I'm seeing them as null. So if Someone could give me why they see those two as scum, (which I have asked for and I don't think I've recieved... (I check Draco, I know I haven't really seen one on Lea) that would help. I'm okay with their lynch because they could go either way for me.
We haven't had too many posts, but he's been more clear with his reads and RPing less in the QT.In post 460, Ruthless MD wrote:Can you give an example of "solid" posting in the QT? Also, any indication of why his in-thread play sucks?
If you neighborized him, why draco? If he neighborized you, why did he choose you?
NoIn post 474, Big Government wrote:It doesn't change much, but I'll ask you something about it to make you feel noticed. Do you guys have daytalk?
Somewhat. He's a moderate townread for me, and his reads line up fairly closely with my own.In post 480, mangi wrote:Dio do you trust Draco?
What do you think of Draco's posts on page 20In post 504, The Jolly Old Man wrote:Too much Roleplay, too little scumhunting or case providing for his votes.
1) Quoting shit directly from QTs is usually grounds for a modkill.In post 532, The Jolly Old Man wrote:And so? All we have is your word that this is so. GIVE US PROOF!!!!
Who gives a crap if he's being more clear with his Reads in QT and RPing less. It doesn't make him town, It doesn't make him scum either but right now, I want to know why you think he's town and I want to know why his actions are protown if he's denying town analysis in favor of roleplay.
1) Didn't like his initial reads list. I've already talked about this. His reasoning behind his reads and his trajectories were weak/misaligned in ways that made him look inconsistent, like he didn't know what he was trying to fake with his reads.In post 532, The Jolly Old Man wrote:I want a case on Edgar. And a decent one.
When the weak doctor flip I thought that Edgar was an informed traitor, because his push on Shrumz looked informed. The case on Shrumz looked overstated, and I was planning on using that to push him at some point.In post 618, Madotsuki wrote:Weak Doctor was a bit powerful, but I think Shrumz and Ruthless MD were caught fair and square. Whether or not you think scum were cheated out of a win is dependent on whether or not you think PD could have won solo I think (or whether or not you think there should have been a 4th scum).