Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[Llamarble]

Cabd is town for complete failure to scumhunt.
Chamber is town for being mad.
CTD is scum for not self-voting.
Empire is... VOTE: Empire
Espeonage is probably town.
Mindgamer is town so far.
Pjovek should probably be replaced.
Tammy / Projectmatt may contain an empirebuddy.

[Llamarble]

All my reads were serious I'm pretty sure, though admittedly the CTD one is a bit weak.

[Llamarble]

I don't particularly need you to agree with my reasons, especially not yet.
As to #1, I think scum feel pressure to produce reads / reasons whereas town just do what they feel like doing.
Anyhow, you seem pretty town mr Bard guy.

[Llamarble]

I shall catch up soon.

[Llamarble]

Are we voting somebody for not fulfilling catchup promises? Because we probably shouldn't do that.
Cirno tends to be less than useful though.
I'll take a look at this in a bit; it seems mercifully short but possibly not sufficiently invigorating?

[Llamarble]

Tammy:
Empire is scum. Yes or YES?

Empire if you claim scum now the pain can be over quickly and we won't have too much to read your buddies off of so maybe you'll even win if they kill me N1?

Chamber is pretty certifiably town at this point and gets to be on the council of lynch-deciders.

[Llamarble]

chamber is actually legit mafia

unvote
vote chamber

He's planning on acting like an useless emo all game anyways so even if you disagreed for some reason you should still lynch him so it's fine.

I'd much rather eliminate the potential obstruction to his thinking clearly.

[Llamarble]

Tammy looks reasonably town but I'm a bit worried by the lack signs she's rechecked her role pm 50 times in hopes of finding a dayvig to use on Empire.

[Llamarble]

I don't see strong scummitude in either mindgamer or ABR. Yet.

Town:
Me

Chamber
Katsuki - possibly more confident than chamber but ... No, both of them are entirely off the table unless something significant changes.

Actually you know what I'm giving reasons because those two should be town for everyone.
Chamber's towntells are
"I want to lynch Pjovek I don't even care if he's scum" --> High DGAF index
"This is ridiculously boring" & "This is a shitty post" --> Scum don't outright rubbish somebody else's post as often as town do; they simply don't feel like they have the right to (unless it's a weak accusation against them but that's not relevant here).
#268->283->308 --> Immediate-Reaction scumreads have a tendency to come from town. Scum usually make sure their accusations will be useful positions to take in the game as a whole.
This has been reasons Chamber is town.
I hope my teachings in Advanced Mafia Play have been helpful.
Stay tuned for similar installments.

The Soup:
Mindgamer
ABR
See first line of post.

The scum:
Empire
He knows he's obligated to ask me "how is it you aren't reading me as town yet??"
#120 is best read as "well it looks like SB is gonna not be assailable; balls."
There is a general aura of weakness. "I'm not sure if the towntell in 9 applies" (also ungood for towntell-dispelling)
In 306 he is Surprised that he has made a case that sounds convincing against someone.
Tammy's town without much quibbling because he knows she'll Town eventually.

Eh. Empire is potentially town. Some assembly is definitely required though.

[Llamarble]

Scum: Empire

Empire's probably Town.

Incisive work.

Potentially town, you poor fool.
As in there is still room for doubt so maybe my instructions to unleash the dayviggz were premature.

[Llamarble]

You also forgot to tell us about Katsuki...

Thoughts on the major wagons, which IIRC you have not commented on?

Wait you replied too.
And you were equally uninteresting.
Do you agree or disagree with such arguments as I actually presented?

[Llamarble]

Yeah, still nothing particularly wrong with ABR. No pronouncement of inviolability though.
Cbad is very likely to be town.
This game is coming along nicely!

Marble

Chamber
Kat
cAbD

CTD

Judgement reserved. So much soooooooop
ABR
Cephrir
Espeonage
Ffery
Mindgamer
Pjovek is scum whether or not he's mafia.
TSO

Projectmatt

Empire
Tammy

HUUUUUU

I would not have expected those two to come in at the bottom tier pregame <_<
Maybe their scumgames are actually as weak as they always claim
I'd kinda expect them to have fun as scum if scum together though, so it seems more likely the lack of a TAMMYPIRE is a 1town-1scum.

[Llamarble]

It occurs to me that 15 probably means multiball...
I don't like multiball and should've thought of that in advance.
I guess I'll just hope we're high powered against 3 and a traitor?
But it's probably 3-3-9 or 3-1-11.

Which at least explains how Empire and Tammy can be simultaneously scum without the universe being all wrong.



P.edit:
No, that was intentional.
People misspell my name all the time. I felt like passing on the joys... and I kinda had to since you said no >_>
"Llamamarble
"Llamarable"
Or my favorite:
"Llarmber"

[Llamarble]

Mindgamer's stuff works both ways.
This is a common property among those who live in the soup.

[Llamarble]

I'm going to hold out hope for a single-main-enemy game regardless.
Kats is pretty town by himself.
"It seems my slot is already obvtown" is a good start and the rest matches a bouncy town pattern pretty well.
He's even kinda useful for once and I liked the votehandle.
TSB was very town too with 75 a strong early reading post, willingness to interact with me, and a healthy bit of "yeah I'm town this game so you'll probably get the following" introspection.
I'd be intrigued to see one of his scumgames on his alt, but I don't think I require extra meta for this read and I have others to sort through first.

[Llamarble]

If we do have multiball, I want to see a Tammy-Empire mutual crosskill.
That would be pretty cool.
Also it would validate TET even more


I don't usually bother explaining stuff, even as much as I already have.
You'll probably get your turn eventually though.
I almost used :very: instead of very to refer to your towniness >_>
I didn't want to look quite so bad if I was wrong though.

[Llamarble]

I'm going to hold out hope for a single-main-enemy game regardless.
Kats is pretty town by himself.
"It seems my slot is already obvtown" is a good start and the rest matches a bouncy town pattern pretty well.
He's even kinda useful for once and I liked the votehandle.
TSB was very town too with 75 a strong early reading post, willingness to interact with me, and a healthy bit of "yeah I'm town this game so you'll probably get the following" introspection.
I'd be intrigued to see one of his scumgames on his alt, but I don't think I require extra meta for this read and I have others to sort through first.

Kat's slots previous player seemed pretty towny too.

Err, I did say that. TSB =/= TSO

[Llamarble]

Sorry, I am not convinced.
I assume you and Tammy will do some stuff soon; I'll wait for that and maybe take another look at the soup.

[Llamarble]

It's good to have things going on in parallel.
Tammy-Empire ought to bring good things, and ffery-cabd also seems to be leading to good things.

If you're feeling left out, you could keep attacking Chamber-town for a while until we lynch you for it?

[Llamarble]

In my current heightened state, I have noticed that ABR is scum.
So that can be today's lynch.
But there is still the rest of the game to figure out first.

[Llamarble]

Projectmatt iS OBVSCUM HEHEHAHHAHAHA
KIWF
Maybe not as obvious as ABR though hard to say.

Anyhow Empire + Projectmatt + ABR are all scum.

Chamber, Kats, Cabd and I are not scum.

Tammy has made progress toward not scum. As has Pjovek, much as he deserves to Get Dunked.
Ffery will hopefully become town off of this interaction with cabd or something.
Mindgamer has that ehhhhh this guy would probably end up flipping town maybe quality to him.
CTD has the minorest hint of towniness.
I do not get the Espy wagon.
TSO, Cephrir occupy the maybescum slot, but we're not lynching either of them today because they aren't completely clear cut yet.

[Llamarble]

Not much need to figure the rest of the game out right now if we already have ABR.

One scum at a time~

My IQ may only be this high once in November. Caffeine is a powerful drug and must be maximized.
I will VOTE: ABR though. This is the chosen wagon of the townblock.

[Llamarble]

Hrrmph. It is possible PM & ABR are not both scum.
So maybe we just proceed with ABR turbolynch and I shall just have to drink more soda D2.

[Llamarble]

Cabd is town for complete failure to scumhunt.
Chamber is town for being mad.
CTD is scum for not self-voting.
Empire is... VOTE: Empire
Espeonage is probably town.
Mindgamer is town so far.
Pjovek should probably be replaced.
Tammy / Projectmatt may contain an empirebuddy.

Actually I may have gotten everything right on the first try (well except maybe CTD who I did admit was not a :reallly: real read).

[Llamarble]

I want to let Tammy-Empire develop a little more but after that sure.

[Llamarble]

I think we've reached the point where Espeonage's wagon confirms him as town?
Certainly it's a wretched hive of scum and other scum.

The above post makes me want to switch to Albert very, very badly. I have little motivation for this game right now.

The above post makes me want to switch to Albert very, very badly. I have little motivation for this game right now.

Then Do It.

[Llamarble]

Reasons Espy is town:
He is active.
He is holistic.
This has been concise to the point of cryptic reasons Espy is town.

[Llamarble]

@Chamber: I don't want to think you're trying to derail a day 1, but we're not going for Pjo. Not yet anyway. Then again, nonchalant has always kind of gut read town for me.

I was reading back over what I missed while sleeping and was about to make a post about TSB taking his head out of his ass and actually being helpful, but I guess I can skip that now.

Pretty sure that Pjo and Katsuki are town. Chamber is also sitting on the town side of the fence for me. There are quite a few people that I have no sort of read on at the moment. I do want to see some wagons going though. If we keep arguing about obv town being obv town we're going to get nowhere.

I've already said I don't agree with your wagon.

It is possible for both wagons to be bad wagons. From my small experience with ABR, I doubt he would respond.

Vote mindgamer. At least until we get something out of him, then we might actually have something to play with instead of sitting around twiddling our thumbs at L-5.

To be honest, I was happy with what I got from Cabd. He felt honest and genuine and actually trying to help. As for you Tammy, I'm feeling more and more that I want to lynch you.

You've been either coasting on sass or, as you're doing now, deflecting. And I don't like it. I'm happy with Tammy being pushed for a bit.

Unvote

I'll come up with a better spot for this vote later, it really didn't serve its purpose where it was.

Tammy is still my biggest read, empire pings me as pretty terrible for not mentioning at all where his scum reads lie. However I'm not seeing this supposed empire/tammy thing that Llama seems to.

I get the impression that one of Cabd and ffery is scum, but I really can't point out which one. One is stringing along another to stay away from having to engage with the rest of the game, just not sure which way that goes. And I want this isolated banter to end. So if you are the townie in that couple, please make an active attempt to get into the gritty of todays play. If only so we can get a good read on the other.

Outside of them, I'm not getting anything bigger than little pings from various people for isolated reasons. Still not happy with Mindgamer, I'm hoping ABR gets more interested closer to deadline otherwise he's pinging me, I have no read whatsoever on Project thus far. Everyone else is sitting in my town to townish pool.

@ffery: I have no qualms with you responding to the players you are. I do have a problem with you not engaging with the rest of the players in the game. I make quite clear that I was ready to try and sus out yourself and cabd, and considering he at least shows signs of helping, you've been very narrow in your approach, which is a very bad town strategy for day one as you both make it more difficult for yourself to find real scum, but you also make yourself harder to read.

After that post of mine, you made yet another post about nothing but cabd, and for that progression of events, I voted you.

He is Antsy and is trying hard to push things along positively for town.
He is Paying Attention to the game as a Whole and trying to figure stuff.

Maybe I'll change my mind someday (maybe even tomorrow!) but I hereby invoke my Obvtowness and Veto this Espy wagon until further notice.

[Llamarble]

Can we leave meta reads out of the game until we actually have a decent amount of posts to take something from. Each game is different and town meta is emulatable. They are not reliable as a case or a defense. You can use it to back something you find scummy up, but don't use it as a base.

^Llamarable why the fuck are you defending this

Why on earth would you pick this as an example of scum posting.
He clearly doesn't like meta. GRATZ.
He does like trying to make town follow what he thinks is a good process though, which I'm pretty sure I already said.

[Llamarble]

Who has meta on Tammy they can give me? Is she always like this or is it indicative of an alignment, because it comes across as sassy, which usually would point to a mindset, but I have no idea how to work out what that mindset might be.

@CabD, If your vote was elsewhere, which wagon would you most support and why?

Is sarcasm and sass part of her scum game or town game and not the other?

No, you weren't. You said it was indicative of a mindset and you didn't know what mindset. You wanted meta to determine whether or not I was sarcastic as which alignment, and then became satisfied with a half answer from someone who really doesn't know my meta.

So, yeah your "I don't like meta" thing is hogwash.

I'm sorry Tammy but WHO CARES
Why do people make these arguments like "you said you don't like meta but you found this particular meta useful?"
Humans can say inconsistent things while meaning every sentence.

[Llamarble]

Can we leave meta reads out of the game until we actually have a decent amount of posts to take something from. Each game is different and town meta is emulatable. They are not reliable as a case or a defense. You can use it to back something you find scummy up, but don't use it as a base.

All that this post means is Espy saw some people making heavy use of meta and became annoyed by it.
This does not preclude him from making use of meta himself.

[Llamarble]

I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.

Ew. Maybe the people who were voting you were on to something.

[Llamarble]

I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.

Ew. Maybe the people who were voting you were on to something.

[Llamarble]

Alright we need to choose today's backup lynches in case ABR turns out to be an innocent child mason stump.
Or gets dayvigged with 2 days until deadline.
Time to GO DIVIN

[Llamarble]

You're allowed to call him scum.
You're not allowed to use the fact that he said he doesn't like meta against him when he contemplates meta.
You can say "I thought you didn't like meta?" and see what he says, because it's a point of interest, but hypocrisy and self contradiction aren't scumtells.

[Llamarble]

Yeah, I wasn't feeling so sharp today.
I state logic I don't feel as strongly about pretty strongly because it'll be useful and then I criticize other people for overstating because I assume they're what the surface looks like it's bedtime.
I'll put final lynch selection time in this weekend.

[Llamarble]

So now that Empire is gone we can lynch his slot without feeling bad about WHAT IF WE JUST LYNCHED TOWN EMPIRE AND WE SUCK?

[Llamarble]

Wow

[Llamarble]

Hrmph.

Unvote

for now.

[Llamarble]

This is more about the 10 pages of additional information to go through.

[Llamarble]

Chamber got all coasty
Was I wrong?

cephrir, especiallythelies, bbmolla -> good place to look

[Llamarble]

That's a sign of me at my very best!
I think it was Shadoweh who said I was on the good stuff right after I got on track in Yoloville?

[Llamarble]

Phonepost
Dont lynch
Llama
Cabd
Tammy
Etl
Chamber old read
Kats old read
Pjo old read

Consider lynching
Abr still ok but could townflip
Ceph I distrust but could town
Nat good choice
Molla kinda sketch

Derp did not look at
Espy
Tso
Ffery people talk to her like shes scum
Pmatt

I think I townread espy earlier can we lynch nat or maybe abr

VOTE NATIRASHA

IM not end of day ready

[Llamarble]

Eh I may wanna vote someone else not sure of things yet but why no scum sheep me vs empire if empire not scum?

[Llamarble]

Alright; Espeonage go ahead and claim.
Also explain your word choice here:

Why empire? As far as I can tell he hasn't really done anything particularly indicative either way. He's been slipping under my radar.

Espeonage gets lynched a LOT but he also flips scum a lot >_>
His push-game-along stuff is fakeable, so him flipping scum here is plausible.
I just got in and I need to go to sleep but tomorrow I'll go through again and he'll have claimed and we can decide whether to pivot to Cephrir-scum.

[Llamarble]

We need to lynch someone like tomorrow...
I do not trust us to secure a scumlynch under these circumstances because scum can deadline-choose between competing wagons; we have to find scum and GO.
I will do that tomorrow. Thanksgiving is a good mafia day for me.

Also Voyeur is a more common role on scum than town and will never be essential on town's balance sheet, but it could be the weak investigator to help balance 12v3.

[Llamarble]

Eh, we have time for a new wagon; we just have to pick a good one as a group and Commit.

[Llamarble]

1271 looks like a scum post.

[Llamarble]

I'm tempted to lynch you today for your insolence.
If you and Ffery want to try and flashwagon me I will happily headpike the pair of you; at least one of you is probably scum.

Slots that will probably flip town (many of these reads way out of date but meh):
Me

ETL
Cabd
Katsuki
Chamber

Pjovek
TSO
Molla

Sketchy but maybe not for dunking today.
Espeonage
Cephrir
Guyett? Might wanna dunk
Nat might wanna dunk

Dunk options:
ABR
Ffery
Projectmatt

Lets do this one.
VOTE: ProjectMatt
I haven't solved the game yet, but even I am allowed to make mistakes. This lynch is a good move with solid scumflip chances.

I am around and will continue to be around. We should get similar statements from others so that we can be sure flashwagons are possible.
I'm pretty convinced Espy was heavily bussed if he's scum.

[Llamarble]

Bleh.
If I felt like my reads in general were awesome but I wasn't sure precisely who would flip scum that'd be ok
But I'm not sure enough in general, so I need to hit scum today so I still look good even if my other reads are meh.

I kinda want our doc-protect.
Or at least to be strongly considered for it; I feel like I'm default N1 kill and I don't wanna die until I've proved my awesomeness.
If we lynch scum today and I'm on the wagon then IDGAF

[Llamarble]

Man, Espy's claim was so not-town-style.
Zero I'mma PR you can't lynch me lolol indications

votecount

espeonage (6): natirasha, tammy, projectmatt, fferyllt, Albert B. Rampage, cephrir
Albert B. Rampage (4): katsuki, pjovek, especiallythelies
pjovek (1): chamber
katsuki (1): espeonage
natirasha (1): Llamarble

Not voting (3): cabd, TSO, bbmolla

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is on the 30th

literally his ENTIRE wagon makes up my sketchballs list.
And yet if every one of them is town and it's Espy / TSO / Molla / Chamber or something my head won't even explode.
I give up for tonight
Maybe tomorrow I'll have some caffeine.

[Llamarble]

Back... Is the deadline variable?

Man, you were supposed to be town

I'll pick someone else; maybe Espy or ABR since that'd certainly be easiest.

[Llamarble]

Fine. Veto redacted.
VOTE: Espeonage

I have no never-lynch or definitely-lynch orders to issue at this point, so hopefully I'm around D2.

[Llamarble]

Alright.
VOTE: ABR

[Llamarble]

I'm open to a suddendunk on Nat or maybe Chamber.
Those 2 are my best scumreads as of 5:55 on this fine day.

[Llamarble]

I liked you better when you were town reading me.

I liked you better when you looked town >_>

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Natirasha
I prefer this.
I will be around to switch back if necessary.
We've got like 5.5 more hours so anybody else who prefers but will be around to swap can join and if needbe we can go back.

[Llamarble]

Llama there was a hammer dood

We don't have time to see what wonderful things come of it, so I'm just going to point out that Pjovek was already voting now.

[Llamarble]

Lets stack up some votes on Nat and if we don't have enough then fine I'll vote ABR.

[Llamarble]

I prefer Nat over ABR. A wagon can be assembled in 5 hours.
Hey cabd how about voting something?

[Llamarble]

I'm really good!
And you can't hammer ABR I unvoted him

[Llamarble]

Chamber looked like the buddy in Empire's 455 list.

[Llamarble]

But seriously, there's gotta be a reason this is a theme game. Lord Patator had hidden cults, but we know this game doesn't. You wanna talk about possible themes, Cabd? Or do you think this was more a sneaky way for mykonian to skip the normal queue line?

Yes, with Nat.

Also the slot's vote has not moved since its first post.
Nat is just sitting around commenting on stuff instead of Doing things.

[Llamarble]

With the deadline coming up, im gonna make an effort to chain my little wifi access into this game.

Anyways,niice setup for your partnrr, marble. I don't believe the claim for a moment. Sadly, I doubt anyone will listen to me. Rather lynch Molla at the moment.

I'll submit this for such folks as have played with him before, but in general I don't like "I believe this claim is false, but whatever."

[Llamarble]

829 was a response to my joke about him obvtowning with setup spec, though.

Fair enough.

[Llamarble]

commenting on stuff instead of Doing things.

Arguably that's exactly what I'm doing, what makes me town for it and him scum for it?

You're not intensely powerfully town, but you have at least done some stuff:
You did stuff with fferylit (I thought pronounced "eff ferry lit" and mad about Huck Finn or something)
You made at least minor efforts in the direction of ABR vs Espeonage and have made some requests of people.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Guyett

[Llamarble]

I'm sorry Chamber your 4 probably contains scum but I don't know which yet Guyett is a good lynch ABR isn't too bad either.

[Llamarble]

I'm a little confused why they aren't, honestly.
All these people with random votes and none of them trying to coalesce.
This is perhaps the most important time of day. Try to DO something pls.
Even if we just end up lynching ABR we're better off.

[Llamarble]

I'm a little confused why they aren't, honestly.
All these people with random votes and none of them trying to coalesce.
This is perhaps the most important time of day. Try to DO something pls.
Even if we just end up lynching ABR we're better off.

Trust me, I'm ready to swap votes to ABR if needed. I'm still hoping for a last-minute Espeon wagon, though. But, like, voting Guyett(who regardless of your thoughts on Tammy is likely not getting lynched since there's been no pressure on her all day) is dumb.

This is where the I'm Llamarble and I'm used to my preferred wagons going through and ending in scumlynches part comes in.
It really only takes a first follower and then anyone who prefers it over ABR will come and then we'll have something interesting.
I might even abandon it at that point and return to ABR but even in that case we have more to show for the day than a lot of people giving takes.

And yes, Tammy can make a lot of posts in a day as scum.
I'd go so far as to say she's good at scum, but has the shortcoming of typically being OBVTOWN when town.

[Llamarble]

Gonna disappear soon; I will be driving tomorrow and access questionable.
VOTE: ABR

[Llamarble]

Oh man.
Hmm, 1272 was directed at Cephrir.
Yeah, I had him scummy throughout but didn't try to lynch him D1. I'll give myself a B on that read.
TBF Ceph doesn't seem like the type to be on the menu D1.

Curious to hear Espy's result.

[Llamarble]

BTW who got neighborized or does the action not proc if he dies?

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Guyett
Lets take our time though!
Bets on 11v4 high townpower / a gimped scumbag or 12v3 in which case we're winning pretty hard?

[Llamarble]

Heh, I promise I didn't read 1470 before writing 1471

[Llamarble]

Yeah, I'm thinking if we have 4v11 it's one of those "If town lynched D1 scum must choose a member to die" or whiteflag or some weakening mechanism like that.
Anyhow, I think I'll catch up here this evening.

[Llamarble]

Ok reading through, no reason to beat around the bush Llama isn't scum.

Told y'all I was a good doc protect

[Llamarble]

Also I think I may be voting for town and should probably fix that; not sure who to move to though.

Unvote

[Llamarble]

Oh, are you saying Ceph tried to neighborize me?
I guess that would come close to doing confirming me since who neighborizes their scumbuddy.
I think I'm sufficiently curious that I wouldn't mind you fullclaiming your result. Mafia probably know what is going on anyway?

I don't remember softclaims

[Llamarble]

Wow, I was popular >_>

Does your voyeur action count as the investigate?

[Llamarble]

I already have clarified that my action would hypothetically show up.

I'm assuming the result of the clarification is that it would show up in addition to the three he mentioned, not as one of them?

I have no idea why Espy would lie about voyeur results though, even as scum.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Espeonage

Voyeur is a weird fakeclaim.

I'm :very curious: what sort of thing Chamber could've targeted me with.

Chamber are you sure you weren't blocked or something?

[Llamarble]

That at least explains why he was using the wiki to learn about the role instead of asking scumbuddies, which was something he had going for him.

Honestly, he might still flip scum even if Chamber got blocked, so that also helps.

[Llamarble]

This :is: a theme game so I guess it's conceivable Chamber is some kind of lyncher?
This would be very convenient for him though, so that's not all that high probability.

[Llamarble]

Well I did like getting doc protected, assuming that's what happened. It would be cool to get it again but chamber's a solid pick too if Espy flips scum.

[Llamarble]

To be fair, you and I were the obvious doc-protect options.
I still haven't got a good notion of what you did to me.

[Llamarble]

So projectmatt bussed the fuck out of the Godfather?

And espeonage bussed the fuck out of me?

The only person on your list I'd consider as scum is nati.

Let's be fair, Nat's slot voted Espeonage even through replacement for pretty much Espy's entire existence
I don't think I'd rule out any of these though. Projectmatt certainly made some good distancing posts if he's scum, but there are only a couple of them.

Now, I've had a feeling growing on me that Kat felt she could ride bard's towncard hard and figured she could just go about her business and stay under the radar as a result. However, were I handed an obv town slot I would instantly start pressing everywhere to try and get a following and pressure to try and nab a bit of momentum to get some reads off. It's also interesting that given the high meta style of players in this game that Bard left after he got found out, I'm not sure if this is applicable because we didn't really get much of an indication of why he left, but it's still there. So something about Kat's play since her replacement doesn't seem right for me, so I'm going to put her in my scum pool replacing BB's spot.

It seems a bit brave for Espeonage to go after Katsuki like this if Katsuki isn't scum. I can see this fine the other way too though.

I get the impression that one of Cabd and ffery is scum, but I really can't point out which one. One is stringing along another to stay away from having to engage with the rest of the game, just not sure which way that goes. And I want this isolated banter to end. So if you are the townie in that couple, please make an active attempt to get into the gritty of todays play. If only so we can get a good read on the other.

'There's a scum in this collection of my buddy and not my buddy' is pretty common too so Cabd / Ffery are worth checking out.

Anyhow, there's more than enough information to merit a full reread and that'll probably happen tomorrow.
Chamber's list looks like a good place to start though.

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I'll do my reread tomorrow; sorry for missing time today.

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Dodging le prod.
I will be useful though!
Or you guys can just lynch scum and we can win and that would be fine too.
Nat or Pjovek being scum wouldn't be too surprising. Nor would Katsuki.

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So looking at this vote count and the ones around it, I'm wondering how espeonage attacked tammy. I'm gonna go re-read that; because ruling out guyett would be great given if he's scum; ETL is the person he'd be most afraid of pegging him.

This sounds scummy but I'm not sure I'm parsing it correctly.
This page in general doesn't look good for cabd.

Being a lurkburster is like replacing myself over and over.
And we all know how overpowered replacements are

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I'm sorry I still haven't gotten to this

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11-4 would require crazy amounts of town power because you need a D1 scumlynch to get 3-10.

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I read things.
Current wagons look reasonable options. Certainly neither needs to be brought to endgame.

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A lot of people I find interesting have very favorable interactions with Espeonage/Cephrir.
Ffery showed interest in both
BBMolla also did
And Nat voted Espeonage forever D1
I don't particularly expect scumflips from Guyett TSO or PM, though it's possible.
Kats and Pjovek are ok options but not very exciting.
Chamber and I are town and cabd is interesting.
Cabd has shown some signs of being town but does work pretty solidly as a scum.

So my confidence level isn't all that high, but we're being efficient as long as we lynch people who clearly don't belong in endgame.

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I really wish I'd tried harder D3.
Nat being scum makes me feel way better about my reads this game; I was pretty disappointed with myself for thinking Guyett protected me off his 'llama 100% town.'