Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[Guyett]

Hi guys

50 pages is a lot to read so anyone want to give a summary?

theeeenks

[Guyett]

could you explain why ABR is scum ETL?

[Guyett]

-.- y u no read

check my ISO. It's short.

from what I've read you look like town ETL.
I think I'll sheep you here

VOTE: ABR

[Guyett]

Ok with me

[Guyett]

There must have been lots of activity last night then.

[Guyett]

I'm thinking we have either got a SK or a vig..

[Guyett]

Honestly I forgot to read
Been really busy. I'd like to look at the wagons....

Who was really pushing the ABR wagon?

[Guyett]

Nat, I like esp and cabd for town. Guyett and Llamarble are more questionable. I wasnt really liking Tammy's posts, but I was thinking it could just be playstyle.

Guyett claims he didnt read the thread even though he had time.

Do you have something more on that slot I missed?

Also, what are you thinking with Llama?

I got distracted by other games and RL stuff :shrug:

[Guyett]

Llamarble is town. I am nearly 100% sure

[Guyett]

The posts from Llamarbe that I read when I replaced in looked super obv town. Tbh I'd be looking at ESP for scum

[Guyett]

Espeonage/Katsuki/ETL

my scumreads, but Katsuki strongest and ETL weakest

I agree on esp. Katsuki could well be scum and I'll read up there but ETL aint scum. Shes super obving town here but not as much as llama

[Guyett]

Ok so o've been drinkin... my top scum read is L-1.... I think
Statin intent to hammer

[Guyett]

I fucking knew it.
Mislynch was obv scum counter wagon

[Guyett]

My battery is nearly dead but I'll get some thouggts out at home

[Guyett]

I fucking told you guys Espeonage was scum!

likewise.

[Guyett]

TSO could you point me to your case?

[Guyett]

some interesting points TSO, however some (such as vote hoping) is null in my book... I do it as town. How does katsukis play measure up to the DOTA play?

[Guyett]

@TSO why are you not voting katsuki yet? I might be wrong but katsuki looks to be your biggest scum read..

VOTE: katsuki

[Guyett]

Is it just me or does 1786 and 1787 look like a potential double bus?

[Guyett]

ffery, you seem in a rather abrasive mood.

This could be the understatement of the year.

I just saw.

lol is all I can say

I think I've just seen too... sorry you had to go through that ;_;

[Guyett]

Vote for Pjo and if the game is still going after hes lynched worry about the double bus possibility?

ok
VOTE: Pjo

[Guyett]

I said it looked like a double bus so I don't mind which of you gets lynched as you both look like scum :shrug:

[Guyett]

no I'll probably still think katsuki is scummy. and yes yes he does

[Guyett]

Right, so let's lynch him.

I'll even refrain from defending myself tomorrow! Now that's a deal you don't come across often.

Tomorrow

[Guyett]

Right, so let's lynch him.

I'll even refrain from defending myself tomorrow! Now that's a deal you don't come across often.

Tomorrow

Why not today?
You said it didn't matter to you, so it shouldn't matter to you.

I think you both are scum so I don't really care which of you goes first... both of you will be going though and you just happen to be at L-1 so I'm not going to jump wagon any time soon

[Guyett]

It's mostly because I was planning on running ISOs and maybe doing some votecount shit; and derphammers are a thing with the family unfriendly drunk in the game. (HI guyett)

HEY

[Guyett]

Looking at the vote counts more The votecount in 1177 Stands out the most. Thats a strange switch for cephrir. It could indicate that no scum were on Espeonage at that point and he wanted to make sure there was one if it went through.

natirasha, guyett, projectmatt, fferyllt; assuming all of those are town and you're town; scum is in:


bbmolla
TSO
Llamarble
pjovek
Katsuki

I don't think it's marble. That would leave molla/pjo/kats/TSO.

Are you thinking both scum are in there? Both Pjo and kats look most likely to me at the minute

[Guyett]

How about we stop PR speculating

[Guyett]

Just hammer him cabd

[Guyett]

Ah come one now chamber
Who else was pinging your scumdar yesterday?

[Guyett]

Why?
Is Katsuki out of the picture now and if he is what about TSO?

As far as I'm concerned Chamber is the only person I absolutely do not want lynched. Ffery looks very townie so it'd take a lot to make me want to lynch her.. same for you BB actually.

[Guyett]

VOTE: Katsuki

[Guyett]

I'm cool with a mass claim.
I'm VT

[Guyett]

TSO could you explain yourself please?

[Guyett]

I was exceptionally hungover this morning... I didn't notice he had both pushed the mass claim and then claimed VT

[Guyett]

the first one was at 11:30am ish

[Guyett]

yeah the 2nd one was at 7ish when I was in work earlier

[Guyett]

I haven't been paying much attention since I voted as I've been up to my eyes in work.
I have a scum read on you from yesterday but I'm not liking TSO for the role fishing.
Cabd's recent behavior is making me rethink my read on him.

Chamber BB and to a lesser extent Ffery are town reads of mine. Pro and nat are null

[Guyett]

TSO, Pmatt, Katsuki, Cabd

^Scum is in there imo. Nati potentially, but his recent stuff screams town imo

Who's standing out as obv scum? Chamber should get in and get some reads down. You two are the ones I really trust at this stage and if my reads cross over both of yours we should give that person a push wirh ibterest

[Guyett]

I'd much prefer a tso lynch tbh. Really not happy with the role fishing... ruined my town read on him

[Guyett]

you pushed for a mass claim and then claimed VT...

[Guyett]

VOTE: TSO

its kinda obvious tbh

[Guyett]

this doesn't let katsuki off immediately though

[Guyett]

You know, this is dumb.

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

nat is scum....

[Guyett]

But TSO is also scum and I want him gone first

[Guyett]

You know, this is dumb.

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

nat is scum....

? Is this about the Maestro Micro?

yes

[Guyett]

Nat do you have examples of you doing the whole dice rolling thing in a town game? I've only seen it in that maestro game.

[Guyett]

Pro, Cabd and Ffery you need to get votes down.
Chamber do you still think cabd is the best option for today?
Nat do you have that coin flip meta defense? Would yo consider moving to the TSO wagon?

[Guyett]

pmatt is lurking really hard and could be scum.. if the game isn't over after todays lynch he might be worth looking at tomorrow imo.

I wish the mod would put a timer in his VC, I think we've gpt just over 3 days left.

[Guyett]

Ffery are you planning on voting soon?

[Guyett]

Tbh this tunneling from TSO does look like town TSO.... I just didn't like the mass claim stuff.
The game is stalling and Katsuki's play has been scummier so

VOTE: Katsuki

That's L-1

[Guyett]

I think there's less than a day remaining but I'm not sure

[Guyett]

Could you do a timer in the vc

[Guyett]

if we've got 2 scum remaining its probably Mylo.

[Guyett]

are you Thor?

[Guyett]

no lynch is only useful if there is going to be information gained over night to help us out imo.
Since we're prob in mylo would a mass claim help? I've already said I'm a VT.

[Guyett]

ffery is the only one other than me that I'm happy to say is prob town. not 1005 sold on you just yet.
Scum is likely between Matt, Cabd and Nat imo... Matt is one I'd be pretty confident is scum.

[Guyett]

tbh if we just have a load of VT's and maybe one PR that won't be of any use a no lynch won't help at all. We won't get anything out of the night info wise.

[Guyett]

What a random bunch of power roles.

Fair enough, I agree with Matt most likely being scum. Nat has pinged me as town at points, and Cabd has been pretty nullish to me all game. So possible only three scum with Matt being final scum and one of Nat/Cabd being a wierd third party like Reporter or some shit?

so you think 1 scum and a third party? if thats the case a lynch is optimal.
if its 2 scum on a team no lynch is optimal only if we get info through the night

[Guyett]

what are you thinking ffery?

[Guyett]

Waiting for nat and matt.
Cabd what do you think we should do today?

[Guyett]

What are the odds matt claims vt?

[Guyett]

I have a feeling he might have used it N1... if matt doesnt come out as a vig of some sorts it would account for scum cipher dying and no town death?

[Guyett]

Possibly but would the bodyguard die too?

[Guyett]

I have a feeling he might have used it N1... if matt doesnt come out as a vig of some sorts it would account for scum cipher dying and no town death?

That, and he had night-action reasons to know that espeonage was lying.

That implies he swapped lllama and cephir

[Guyett]

I'm fine with a matt lynch
VOTE: promatt

[Guyett]

Gotcha. Godfather with no cop is a weird one.

Was the game anounced as balanced?

[Guyett]

Gotcha. Godfather with no cop is a weird one.

Was the game anounced as balanced?

I highly doubt myko made an unfair game after the hell he got after his surprise cult game ended.

Then how do you explain the absence of a cop? Makes the godfather useless...

[Guyett]

Cabd I dont like the way you're colouring yiurself green there. Like yes in your pov you're town but we dont know that and it looks like you're trying to trick people. Its a pet hate of mine.
If you're going to do vca for everyone to see I think its only fair to have anyone non conf town without a colour

[Guyett]

I'm going to be V/La until Thursday the 9th of January as I've to go to a conference in Edinburgh. I'll try pop in from time to time.

[Guyett]

I'm back.
Promatt is still my no1 lynchee

[Guyett]

I think its probably 2 scum.

I'm not 100% sure but of nat and cabd I'd be leaning towards nat

[Guyett]

I think its probably 2 scum.

I'm not 100% sure but of nat and cabd I'd be leaning towards nat

2 scum because its townsided with a the current flipped PR's and no cop to counter the GF.

[Guyett]

GF without a cop just makes the GF a goon. its like being given a useless PR and is slightly bastard ( as is a bus driver)

[Guyett]

like town have elite bodyguard, vengeful townie and busdriver
Mafia have neighbourizer and a godfather. This indicates there is probably 2 more scum to balance the game a bit considering the GF is useless here

[Guyett]

I suppose :/
those reasons are why I suspect there's 2 more scum. I might be wrong and there could be something like a lyncher.

[Guyett]

Is he deciding to bus or not ffs
lynch the scummy fuck

[Guyett]

why bbmolla?

[Guyett]

oh right, simply PoE then :/

[Guyett]

Molla & Guyett IMO.

why don't you flip a coin...

[Guyett]

meaning?

You're willing to gamble a game that may be in MYLO on a dice?!?

[Guyett]

I asked for this dice meta ages ago... I've only seen scumNati do it

[Guyett]

hmmm ok

[Guyett]

I'm slowly working through other isos. there will probably be a couple more walls sometime today.

any sign of this?

[Guyett]

you better hurry up ffery.
I'm still happy to go for a matt lynch, I don't buy he is town based on one post tbh as the rest of his play has been anti town at best and scummy at worst

[Guyett]

Still not sure between Nat and Cabd for the other scum.... I'd lean more towards Nat at this stage tbh.
Molla and Ffery are nowhere near my scum pool

[Guyett]

VOTE: Nati I prefer this to Matt.

I don't see why molla is getting wagoned?!? I'd prefer Cabd to Molla tbh

[Guyett]

Where is everyone?

[Guyett]

I'm only happy voting Matt or Nat. I'll no lynch before voting Ffery or Molla

[Guyett]

Because he looks pretty fucking town (not as town as you mind you). Where do you stand on him?

[Guyett]

Tammy thought he was town. He looked hellaciously town during parts of day 1 and 2. After that he (and pretty much everybody most of the time) has looked meh. I really can't point to a post after day 2 and say "that was unequivocally town".

I can say that about projectmatt, which is why I won't vote him today.

So Matt is the only one you won't vote today?

TBH what you said about Molla is quite true. When you asked me why I wouldn't vote him I thought, well because he's obvious town!!! but when I tried to remember anything in particular nothing sorta jumped out immediately... but I do remember him being really fucking town hence me not wanting to vote him

[Guyett]

How are you feeling about Nati and Cabd?

[Guyett]

It's inconceivable to me that scum-Cabd wouldn't be doing stuff to push a particular lynch.

Nati's the biggest question mark. I really can't call his play scummy, but it's not been terribly town, either.

I'm coming down to Nati or bbmolla. That's somewhat in conflict with my earlier list, but the differences in placement on that list are terrifyingly minuscule.

OK
I think I need to have another quick look at some people. Tbh I didn't really see much of Matt's play being that good but if you're so sure he's town I'll sheep you on that read.

[Guyett]

Yeah this is going to no lynch probably.

It's going to be another fun day tomorrow then :/

[Guyett]

If there's one scum and a third party like a survivor then lynching today is good play imo. It won't end the game if we chose wrong. However if there's 2 scum left its a bit of a shit situation as if we lynch wrong we lose but if we don't lynch we'll be doing the same again tomorrow only without someone useful (prob ffery as she's pretty much a universal town read). On the other hand if we lynch town today we're in a strong position for tomorrow regarding associations.

[Guyett]

You mean the last sentence?

I'm really struggling to see why someone would want to risk the game on a fucking information lynch.

We no lynch and we could well be in tge same position tomorrow ffs... only potentially in lylo instead of potentially in mylo.

[Guyett]

Lol meant scum there not town. I've been fairly clear that I suspect theres 2 scum left and if we did lynch scum and the game wasnt over it indicates another scum as if it was a survivor the game would end. Therefore a scum lynch would give associations to help find the other scum

[Guyett]

VOTE: Vote:molla
better than no lynch

[Guyett]

wow that was tense at the end

[Guyett]

No I was bluffing in case myko invoked "last votes were placed after deadline".

Thats what I was worried about :/

I was asleep on the bus home with critically low battery on my phone

[Guyett]

I just did lol

[Guyett]

gonna get a lot of stick from mollie now haha

[Guyett]

and my fakehammer won't get nominated for a scummy ;_;

[Guyett]

you win some you lose some :shrug:

[Guyett]

So I killed Cephir then? (I was supposed to kill Llama)
I also killed ETL

I'm fine releasing scum QT btw... Nat?

[Guyett]

. Outside of N1 my play was pretty subpar. I really thought you guys would try for marble or me n2.

we weren't sure if there was a doc ... also ETL can read me quite well and could have been a PR so she took a bullet

[Guyett]

Scum QT

[Guyett]

Yeah thanks Myko.
I was very overwhelmed when I replaced in... especially when we lost 2 scum pretty quickly.

[Guyett]

Oh dear Guyett. You're scum this time, aren't you... This is not townGuyett. That makes me sad.

*sigh*

This is why I died. Remember this. If Guyett is in a game with me and I die N1/N2 - lynch Guyett. Always. ALWAYS!

Otherwise my reads were pretty shit. I didn't consider Nat until it was far too late.

Well done, scummiez.

shsh don't tell people this

[Guyett]

I was telling you it was TvT! You gotta listen to the Nat-man sometimes.

I just egged it on a bit..... (sorry tso and kats)

[Guyett]

yeah then if we'rein a game together and both town th scums will kill me to frame you.

that's why we need to just stay in our hydra and never leave it.

best hydra ever (although PFR is pretty damn good)

[Guyett]

@ceph Ye of little faith

[Guyett]

This was embarrassingly bad of me. Good job carrying it off, though I don't know why you insisted on bussing each other so much.

I only bussed nat cos he was bussing me