Song Contest U-Pick - GAME OVER

[T-Bone]

OH HAI GUYS

[T-Bone]

Vote: T-Bone

for beating me to the first post.

In ten words or less why are you scum?

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VOTE: pieceofpecanpie

Are you implying that Friend

Computer

Parama has misidentified this Commie Mutant Traitor, Commie Mutant Traitor?

Are you implying that he hasn't? Explain why please.

You too, why are you scum, but you can have twelve words because I'm feeling generous.

[T-Bone]

I agree with Pasch, quite a bit actually. I'm am against any sort of claiming now.

PEdit: I disagree with Parama, the rule doesn't say "your song will be unrelated to your role." It just says songs can be any role and any alignment.

[T-Bone]

Mastin Votes: Mastin

.

Not only for self-voting, but for being a cheeky scumbag about it!

But, do note the lack of vote tags. It means that, while I BELIEVE he is scum, I'm not

sure

he is.

-Mastin.

DA FUCK IS THIS SHIT?

Wow, is there anyone in this game i know?

I have tried to catch up with the posts so far, but to be honest I got bored.

Any rules in the OP about revealing information?

Im a british band, and a song from this decade. Notscience, I want you to have a go at guessing since you are obsessed with claims.

Also, didn't you read the thread? I know it got swept under the rug but I think we established flavor claiming is bad. I don't know why you dwelled on it again with another post. Besides there are like a million songs in the Song Contest archive, what does this prove?

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That's some grade A bullshit, Generic.

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For someone who is posting a lot....

Oh, and I should really point out, people town reading me in the first five pages of any game I assume to have an agenda... But town reading me before I post? Come on scum, you can't butter me up that easily

you're....

Alas, I am merely the prodigy of this mafia game, so with the town im sure we are united in the mutual belief that the invaders must die... We just need to find them.

...saying a...

I have this recurring dream that every game I sign up to nacho is in it...

Nacho, apparently you are hiding in a hydra, but a little wine for in front of you my friend, I realised today every single game we have both been in I have been town... And every one of them so far I've won

Nats, I think so far I've never won in a game you have been in... And is mara anything to do with that purple hydra? Cos if she is I may have to have a chat with just her.

And to those immediately writing me off as scum, nice to see the generic effect works on the new blood too

.....whole lot.....

Why should he have to give reads right this second?

It's day 1, not even 200 posts in... This desperate panic to pigeon hole the other players... Or is this a reaction of a person who think that it's a town thing to question difficult attitudes?

vote...

Oooh, nearly did it there desp nat and your buddy, have you ever known being a difficult arseholes to be a scum tactic?

of nothing.

I think it would be a more fair assessment to quote everything, but people will get the gist. I am gathering from your posts that all you are serving to do is to talk a big game and hope that passes for 'activity' or something silly like that. I love the threat in your latest post by the way. "how dare you call me out for exactly the thing I am doing?" I also love the implication that it makes me wrong for having done not much else to this point, when the game hasn't started. Whoops silly me, I should have called Generic out BEFORE he started posting. Or because I don't have the most posts I'm not allowed to scumhunt. Because that's what you're implying in your most recent post right?

To accuse me of bullshit given your contribution to this game...

I can't call anyone scum because of my post count?

Vote: Generic

Here you go Generic...freshly certified for our consumption pleasure...

Spoiler: In case someone has a slow connection

Just in case it was unclear to anyone what I am seeing from him. To me it's scummy as fuck. I know the conventional wisdom is "he's drawing attention to himself, scum wouldn't do that", but what is his attention accomplishing? If your answer is 'solid protown play', then I'm sorry but do not pass go, and do not collect 200 dollars.

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T-bone. Poor deflection to assume I was talking your post count. I'm talking contribution, as hinted by my 'tell me why in x number of words' comment.

You have offered nothing of your own opinion.

And I will link this to pies push for me to answer them. I've named two people as town reads, nacho I reserve judgement in til he talks to me more, have voted notscience making him a scum read and now called t-bone scum.

If it doesn't answer your question pie please ask again. T-bone, OMGUSing me was just beautiful.

"I'm not going to address anything, I'm just going to discredit my attacker." You say..."I'm scumhunting in a different way". I don't see it. So far it's fluff posting, random townreads, and scumreads on the two players who called you on your Grade A bullshit. Excellent scumhunting chief! I love your implication that I'm voting you because you called me scum...when in fact you only called me scum because I called you on your BS. "OMGUS YOU SUCK BONE". If you want to be town, start acting like it. You're acting like an entitled scum player who can't believe someone is calling him scum this early in the game.

@everyone else, my bottom line. Frankly I don't think Generic is pushing a town agenda. He's not scumhunting, he's fluffing. And when he's attacked for it, rather than address his fluff posting he looks to attack his attackers instead. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Also, what's wrong with differentiating pieceofpecanpie as....pecanpie? Certainly that nickname is unique to him.

[T-Bone]

Okay, Generic can be town now. Much better play going on.

unvote

I found your early play to be incredibly fake, and now that you've backed off from it I see some genuine attempts at being town.

VOTE: Paschendale

Because never a good reason not to sheep Fifty, and besides, the look-at-me-so-protown-constructive-hey-y-u-rolefish comments reek to high heaven.

Prana & Generic, answer this truthfully: Are you on the same team?

Da fuck is this?

Actually, since random people are coming in and wagoning, (I'm looking at this person, Porkens, and to a lesser extent 50 Purple) someone want to explain this wagon to me? I understand why people are voting for Garruk, Prana, etc....I don't understand this one at all.

I’m townreading Pasch, and NS,

I’d bet there is scum between Pranadevil, Generic, and Agent Minnesota, in that order.

I can’t trust SpyreX.

MoS is tunneling town.

I’ve seen a couple of interactions between the Garruk heads that lead me to believe they are town.

The super quiet people need to be put in a sack and drowned.

unvote

Vote: Paranadevil

Unexplained vote. "Scum between three random people, I'm gonna vote one kthxbye"

Also because Garruk is a hydra doing hydra things, they are town? If I recall correctly the argument against them is their inconsistency and craziness, among other things. Explain please. It seems like in this post you are calling people town and scum just for the sake of it.

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Why the vote? That seems missing from your post.

[T-Bone]

Okay.

Vote: 50 Shades of Purple

Huh, I wanna see what happens too!

[T-Bone]

Bye Pie.

[T-Bone]

@Pecan, what exactly is wrong with me 'beating you to a vote?' I think my thought process here is very clear cut. 50 Shade wants to 'see what happens' when he makes unsubstantiated votes....so I showed him. I assure you I'm very serious in everything I do.

[T-Bone]

I need a

semi V/La

for the rest of the week. American holidays and I sadly work in retail. I'll keep up, but no promises on how well I do.

[T-Bone]

I've been following along the entire time, but haven't felt up to posting due to holiday madness. So now I'm gonna treat this as me replacing in. T-Bone replaces T-Bone. Now what?

[T-Bone]

Received my prod. I promise I'm still reading....that's just all I have had time for at the moment.

[T-Bone]

...okay...

Generic, since you're sitting here, explain to me why Pasch has/had 5 votes. Oh and why out of MoS/Pecan/Spyspy/MUD have you chosen MoS to be the scum pushing your wagon?

Also, Generic is town, this wagon is bad. Especially MoS' bit about "being town-aligned but not pro-town VOTE'. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? Did/is Generic playing terribly? A bit, especially early on. I think scumGeneric however would continue to push his terrible early play to appear 'consistent'. His attempt to try to play better is the reason I backed off all those pages ago and is why I'm reading him as town now. Playing terrible does not mean scum.

Other things bother me, but now that I finally have time to play I need to just play and not think too much (if that makes sense to anyone).

[T-Bone]

It lives all the way back in my #254.

[T-Bone]

Oh I was asking you because of the people voting him, you were the one online/most recent to post. It's a wagon that has been sitting in the lead for much of the day and no one has really explained why he has all these votes to me.

[T-Bone]

Who is that last quote from? Also, Nacho or Mollie?

[T-Bone]

Silly Morph, Shades doesn't explain votes, or have reads, or have any of the things you'd expect a townslot to have.

[T-Bone]

I'm going to just dangle myself around while no one decides to explain their reads (to be fair, I'm not 100% sure on Desperado but I'm damn sure on 50 and Generic)

Your predecessor was scummy and

then flaked after getting heat for it

You haven't done anything to salvage the slot

Da fuck is this shit? He had one post! Are you seriously implying this?

[T-Bone]

I've just never heard something so ridiculous.

[T-Bone]

I've just never heard something so ridiculous.

what are you talking about here

What Desparado said...aka what i quoted in the post before that.

[T-Bone]

I'm going to just dangle myself around while no one decides to explain their reads (to be fair, I'm not 100% sure on Desperado but I'm damn sure on 50 and Generic)

Your predecessor was scummy and

then flaked after getting heat for it

You haven't done anything to salvage the slot

Da fuck is this shit? He had one post! Are you seriously implying this?

Explain please, Des.

[T-Bone]

The part that I bolded.

[T-Bone]

So you're telling me he replaced out because a few people called him scum...and you think that's a reasonable assessment of his play? A player who posted once and never did anything again?

[T-Bone]

I'm not commenting on it because it has anything to do with Hiraki, I'm commenting on it because it has everything to do with you. I don't see how that reasoning comes from a town mindset. What Hiraki/Sajin did doesn't matter. You said "Sajin replaced out BECAUSE he was called scum." That is the scummiest thing ANYONE has said in the game thus far, and it's something I wanted you to explain. How can you make such a statement? Have you played with Sajin before? Is he that type of player? Is this a behavior you've seen before from scum? I don't see how that statement comes from a town mindset. To me it's Despscum just trying to add reasons to push this lynch through, and those reasons don't matter much to you.

[T-Bone]

By who? By me? Well, because I think you're scum....and you have nothing to do with Desp's postings unless you are scum together.

[T-Bone]

But hey, let's talk about you for a moment.

Awhile ago I called you scum for placing votes without giving reasons. You countered by quoting a post of yours that gives some reads or something. That conversation got lost though, and that's fine. If you want to go back and find that exchange we had, that's fine. BUT...I have a problem in that you continue to make votes without explaining them. You say you did, but it's funny how your votes a not accompanied by explanations. Sure, it's easy to explain votes after the fact, but that's not what I'm looking for.

Do you know what exchange I'm referring to, and care to comment about it?

[T-Bone]

TBone's interaction sounds fake.

Nacho tonally sounds different from normal Nacho. A lot more...stressed? I think Pirate Mollie is pretending to be Nacho almost.

1) this would never happen because I <3 scum, mollie doesn't <3 scum and feels guilty manipulating people
2) Nacho pretends to be Pirate Mollie in this hydra a lot. Sometimes he doesn't.

Generic's /wrists are bad and I want to kill it because no way in shit would T-Bone or Pecan be a bus there and I like sweet sweet blood.

It's not a bus, but it's not a good lynch either.

Vote: Paschendale

If you're looking for blood/not a shitty lynch, join me here.

VOTE: maenara

not making waves

{vote] morph[/vote]

hey

VOTE: morph

VOTE: porkens

VOTE: morph

TOWN
Desperado
Garruk
Generic
Popp
NS
Formerfish
Caled
Morph

Mostly Town:
Agent Minnesota
Paschendale
EPM
Micc
Parama

Meh:
SpyreX
Mastin
T-Bone

Bad:
MoS
Hiraki
Porkens

VOTE: Hiraki

These are the things I'm talking about. EXPLAIN...because you never care to explain any of these votes. Once in awhile I can understand...but this is a habit. Why is your gameplay filled with unsubstantiated votes?

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I am developing my reads. I'm not a fan of this "town bloc" that has been put together. Other than Generic, who I think is poorly playing town, I'm not willing to read the rest of that block (which includes 50 Shades and Notsci and you as I recall) town. I feel strongest about 50 Shades of Scum and that's where my vote has been. I'm alright with you, but obviously I have concerns with what you said in regards to Sajin. In a larger game, I try not to label the entire playerlist as town or scum, because frankly I don't know.

But let me help you understand me. Here is what I'm looking for in scum. I'm not going to pretend that scum only do scummy things, and town only does townie things. Scum players are going to look very townie and are going to give away small slips that will reveal themselves. Hence why I fixated on a small detail that you said a few pages back. I don't expect that if you're scum that your ISO is going to be littered with you saying "look at me I am scum." I expect you're going to be trying to push a scum agenda, and you'll reveal it once in awhile. To me when you said "Sajin is scum and replaced out because we caught him" that looks like you are just trying to push an agenda against the slot just for the sake of lynching the slot. I've also fixated on 50 Shade's reasoning for his votes that I quoted above, because this is something small that he continue's to do, and I see it as a problem.

So to honestly answer your question, I don't have another scumread at the moment. I haven't seen enough of what I've been looking for in scum.

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Let me ask you, Desp....can you see why I think 50 Shades of Scum is scum? Am I articulating that well enough?

[T-Bone]

????????

Deadline is tomorrow.

And I have a pretty set vote for now. Are you going to cry that I didn't give reasoning?

I might

What is this I don't even?

[T-Bone]

With the deadline imminent, the people casually jumping off the leading wagons are making me uneasy. Porkens being the biggest offender I think.

Where are we going guys?

[T-Bone]

I could have sworn he was voting you. I need to go look I guess.

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Nope you're right, that's my bad.

[T-Bone]

Da fuck is going on? Majiffy, why are you scum? 10 words, GOGOGOGOGOGO.

No. It's a day 1 lynch. I don't give a fuck about it.

50 Shades doesn't have a point, and she'll realize that soon enough.

"Lynch obviously has nothing to do with scum trololololol"

In the meantime, why don't you tell me what you were up to last night?

"rolefishing trolololololol"

....
....
....

Vote: Majiffy

I think these two quotes sum up why I'm ready to just come in and do this...

In the meantime other people....

That reply bugs me, it doesn't even voice your thoughts on the flip/no-NK. However, you could vote Generic and not make scumposts.

VOTE: Generic

This is scummy as fuck. Why does the lack of a nightkill matter? Why do you care that no one else cares? Why do we need to play into that bullshit? Everyone knows there is like a bazillion possibilities. This is one of those things scum can say to pretend to contribute, because we all very much know that discussion about the kill will go no where.

I still find 50 Shades scummy, but after thinking about it during the night phase, it may be their playstyle that I just don't like. But I find myself agreeing with them on Majiffy/Pecan early this day phase (like #1300)...so I dunno what to think about that. I need a more partial observer who doesn't claim membership in the 50 Shades of Scum (:P) townbloc to tell me what they think is going on here.

I'd like to revisit Hiraki's reads and lynchwagon in light of his flip. It goes without saying scum were on his lynch, scum were off his lynch, scum were every where! But seriously, the Hiraki lynch neatly divides up the playerlist a bit.

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No MoS, don't be scum. Bad MoS.

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Flip? Sure, I want to talk about the flip. No-NK? Not so much. Unhelpful.

[T-Bone]

Who did he replace? Prana right?

[T-Bone]

Why did you take that quote out of context notsci? His (FFish) intent is pretty clear in context.

[T-Bone]

EPM, tell me more about 50 Shades because they were terribly scummy Day 1....but I agree with them Re: Jiffy now so...

[T-Bone]

GAH THIS DOWNTIME

[T-Bone]

The downtime has put me in a bad mood, along with other things so much love fake-mastin.

But seriously this lynch is being led by players I consider very shady, for improbable reasons. I want something better than "oh we had a 1/19 chance of stopping the night kill and we did"...

HOWEVER Spyrex's soft-claim is terrible and not what I would expect of a town player with the leading wagon. So Spyrex, you don't have a problem with a player claiming a result on you that makes you scum? Did I read that correctly?

ARGH

[T-Bone]

HOWEVER Spyrex's soft-claim is terrible and not what I would expect of a town player with the leading wagon. So Spyrex, you don't have a problem with a player claiming a result on you that makes you scum? Did I read that correctly?

Nope, you sure didn't read it correctly. GR's result doesn't make Spyrex anything. Didn't you just acknowledge the unlikelihood of stopping the scum kill N1?

Reading is tech, I was asking a hypothetical situation. Spy got what I meant, and now I understand his position.

[T-Bone]

The downtime has put me in a bad mood, along with other things so much love fake-mastin.

But seriously this lynch is being led by players I consider very shady, for improbable reasons. I want something better than "oh we had a 1/19 chance of stopping the night kill and we did"...

HOWEVER Spyrex's soft-claim is terrible and not what I would expect of a town player with the leading wagon. So Spyrex, you don't have a problem with a player claiming a result on you that makes you scum? Did I read that correctly?

ARGH

and I want you to give a counter scum read to spyrellascum

gogogogo

Majiffy. I don't like the way he entered the day. What did he do that made you change your mind on him? Because he's scummy as fuck.

[T-Bone]

Diddo on that actually.

[T-Bone]

@SpyreX:

Claim or die.

@World:

I'm more than happy to lynch Pecan after we run SpyreX up the ladder and see what shakes out.

Da fuck is this shit?

[T-Bone]

Just a quick thought I'd like some people to address for me. Majiffy pulls some soft-claim shit on 50 Shades to start the day, and then backs down from it. Who sees the town motivation in that?

I certainly see the scum motivation. Put the fear in the town about him having a PR. I think Majiffy was looking to fabricate some town-cred to start the day, so someone else tell me why he was successful and everyone has pretty much dropped this.

[T-Bone]

Porkens play today is a complete 180 on day 1.

Is it enough to see him lynched? Since spyrex dangled the bait of his role porkens has begun to panic.

Aside from hitting the panic button, how is his play different from Day 1? It's been consistent, albeit consistently not very good.

[T-Bone]

Morph, are you reading Jiffy as town...if so, why?

[T-Bone]

...but she's scumreading you, and if you're town and her read is wrong on you how can you trust her reads on other players?

[T-Bone]

And well, if I recall correctly she's leaning scum on him, but has bigger reads and is letting it go for now.

Edit: I may not look like it Generic, but I'm fucking paying attention to this game

[T-Bone]

Okay, now take Mollie out of the equation what's YOUR read in THIS game? That's really what matters to me. I felt like you were hiding behind meta reads in our last game together (in which you are scum). (assuming I'm talking to the ffery head)

[T-Bone]

Funny quote there. But alright. I might have to move on from this since I can't get any support again...

[T-Bone]

Shit like that is why I can't completely shake my scumread on you. You were doing so well too today...

[T-Bone]

I'm not voting Majiffy? Riiight....

[T-Bone]

Shit like that is why I can't completely shake my scumread on you. You were doing so well too today...

your angles are awful. you are trying to purport that if 1 read is wrong all of them are. <-----fucking scum posting if I have ever seen it. if I was not so worried about mosy I would be pushing your lynch with fire and brimstone

No you completely miss the point. Hell you already powered through a town lynch lets not forget. You're wrong on at least two players that I know for sure (me, Hiraki), or from townmorph's pov (him, hiraki) so it stands to reason you are also wrong elsewhere.

But that discussion had little to do with you, so don't try to make it about you. It was about ffery and her reads really. You just don't want anyone floating around the idea that we shouldn't listen to you because you're trying to power a lynch through yourself.

But hey guys, we shouldn't be listening to mollie.

[T-Bone]

You guys should seriously discuss 50 Shades while you're at it, and get back to me. Part of me feels like I could be tunneling, but I dunno.

[T-Bone]

Fair enough I guess. I'm getting a bit frustrated I think, I'm gonna step away for a bit, because mollie is baiting me, just like she's baiting you.

[T-Bone]

I am interested in building consensus, the problem is no one else is! It frustrates me that 50 Shades/Jiffy are both being universally read as town!

[T-Bone]

I don't think I've discussed meta much, if at all. My stance on meta though is the same as always. It has very little, if any merit. I may reference a past game once in awhile, but as far as it being a useful scumhunting tool, you know I don't think it is.

B) I talked a bit about how I felt I played in that last game, so I am adjusting it. Whether you like those adjustments or not is up to you. I played pretty terribly. The best move I made that game was getting myself mislynched. So as far as my play being different, I'm trying albeit not so successfully, to not tunnel as much as I did on ETL. Which is why I keep going "hey so and so, tell me about my scumreads" but then no one is giving me what I need so...yea I'm tunneling a bit on 50 Shades and Majiffy here. I've been doing what I can to determine other player's alignments. So I don't think my conviction about my reads have changed, just how much I've been screaming about it has. I am trying hard to take all forms of arguing out of my play, which if you recall is why I refused to argue with ETL and only talked to him when he was working through things with me.

But again as far as meta I don't know what that'll tell you about my alignment. I'm doing my thing. I don't know what you're looking for exactly. I try to approach every game with the same mindset.

[T-Bone]

Prod received...I'm here it just happens to still be the holidays.

[T-Bone]

The amount of intensive meta analysis being tossed around in that game was pretty heavy given that it was a 9 player game. The proportion of meta-cases being built in this game is considerably lower, as well as it being lower (IMO anyway) in absolute terms.

I feel like you've reached out to me specifically and repeatedly since we replaced in to this game. I don't understand why.

It seems like I disagree with you on several reads that you feel are key.

This statement is key to my approach. I've got some scumreads in 50 Shades/Jiffy...but practically no one agrees with me. That's frustrating for me, so I am trying to change my approach a bit. With so many players reading them as universally town I need to A) understand why and B) change their minds, or adjust my own, because right now I'm not going to get a lynch I want. So right now it's important for me to start understanding why they are being read as universally town. For those players who are reading them as town, they have linked themselves to the player slot. Say for example as of this post something happens and 50 shades is mod-confirmed town. Now there's a group of players who are linked to the playerslot, who have town reads on them for various reasons. It stands to reason that some players might generally be reading them as town. Scummy players also do townie things, and it's a matter of weighing those scummy things against those townie things and deciding which is more important. Some players however might just be reading them town so as to not draw their ire. So I asked you "hey why do you read them as town", I asked EPM how he felt about his read (though I don't think he ever got back to me on that), I asked Generic about the Pasch wagon last day phase, and so on and so forth. Does this make sense to you?

For lynching:

T-Bone-

My problem with him starts during the Hiraki wagon buildup.

He's voting for Purple, who was always going to be an unlikely lynch target, but doesn't seem particularly bothered by the fact that everyone else is being fooled by who he thinks is scum.

Instead, he makes a big fuss about the accusation that Sajin flaked because of pressure, while doing nothing to actually stop the lynch from happening.

Also, the fact that he can get incredibly bothered by things like this makes the fact that he wasn't bothered by the lack of scumreads on Purple all the more questionable.

Overall, I get the impression that he's pretending to care, but when it comes down to it actually doesn't. 1142 is a 'Yeah! Look how pro-town I am!' post, but T-Bone, even at that point, is sitting idly on a wagon that isn't going anywhere.

This is another nice example of pretending to care. It really does sound lovely and should totally have everyone convinced that he's the most diligent townie evar!!!! But really, who actually bothers to look at lynched town's reads? And was it really more necessary to tell everyone that he would do this than to share the results of such a foray into the many wonders of the Day 1 lynch?

Oh ok so it takes until 1594 for it to bother him, this being when he is less sure of the read. That's cool I guess?

(Re: bold, italics, bold)
#1: I shouldn't want to lynch my scumread? Is that what you're suggesting? Didn't you just in #1760 criticize other players for compromising? That's hella inconsistent. You can't call me scummy for sticking to a read in one post, and then tell other players they should stick to their strongest reads in another post.

#2: Pointing out the terribleness of the logic over Sajin replacing out because he's scum ISN'T doing anything? What do you expect me to do? Force other players to change their votes? I argued with Desp over something that was very objectively bad because it was. How is that not taking action? If I wanted to "not take action" I could have said nothing about it.

#3: I am very much concerned by the lack of scumreads on 50 Shades hence me going "hey you, why do you read 50 shades as town?" I'm sorry if I can't be concerned about it until I have to spell it out in a post like you pointed out. My actions towards that endeavor should have given you a clue.
Speaking of this DV, why do YOU read them as town?

Is that your issue overall DV, is that I'm not spelling out what I want? Should I be making posts saying "moar 50 votes please"? Should I have been "if you vote for Sajin over this shitty logic you're confirmed scum?" You seem to want some NON-productive play from me. Why is this?

So, explain some things for me, and I apologize if I echo anyone else's thoughts. Why did you declare Majiffy town after 30 pages when he wasn't in the game? Why did you vote Formerfish when you first entered the game without any reason? Actually why comment on the first 30 pages in your "entry" post at all? Because among other things you said "Majiffy is town"...despite not have even posted...you said "I like Bone and I don't want to lynch him for awhile" "why didn't you guys lynch Pasch?" Formerfish goes from "strong town" to "scum" really fast. Because a bunch of these things are very inconsistent with your big #1699. The disconnect between these posts makes you look incredibly fake.

Finally, you seem to indicate that Formerfish is a stronger scumread based on a few things. Your initial vote....#1634 in which you backtrack "accidentally" putting him on your town list. This chain of events is probably by far the scummiest thing you have done in your brief time in the game. The flip-flop on Formerfish from your first couple of posts to me just plain looks like a scumslip. Based on your posts you seem to indicate that you find Formerfish to be a stronger scumread than me. It makes me think you decided to vote me anyway because I might be an easier lynch. Multiple players have mentioned they'd be willing to lynch me. I don't think as many said they'd be willing to lynch Formerfish. So to come full circle how can you criticize other players for compromising on their reads to get a lynch, when everything you have posted about your scumreads (me, Formerfish) indicates that you are compromising on me. You can't critcize one player for compromising and call another player scum for refusing to do so at the same time. So....am I an easier lynch than Formerfish?

Your reads are not genuine at all, your criticisms of other players over compromising are contrived to only benefit your agenda, you scumslipped on your Formerfish read, and you need rope.

Vote: DV

@everyone, did I miss anything else?

[T-Bone]

It's mostly due to my extreme intense boredom with this game. I lurked out the first part of yesterday and likely will continue to until around day 4/5 or I die, one of the two.

I do care about lynching SpyreX, because I have a fairly obvious guilty on him and he's continued to not die, because of a stupid alignment-neutral claim.

Well this is certainly not helping your case. Right now there are two larger wagons going on. Do you have any thoughts on those? If Spyrex is guilty according to you, can either of the bigger wagons be a scum-partner? It's not like the game has completely stalled, so I don't understand the apathy here.

[T-Bone]

Happy New Year, hooray and all that shit.

...

(quote omitted because you can just follow the link back)

Minus our inactive players (Minnisota, Caled, fake-mastin, and generic because he wants to proxy his gameplay to ns for whatever reason). 9 players out of 15 are scumreading EPM, you said. You said all your townreads are not scumreading him either. Why don't you go any further with this?

Then you say "EPM would be an achievable compromise lynch"...despite you claiming before all the scum are on his wagon/scumreading him. So that means EPM is town and he'd be lynched for...reasons? Well, what the fuck? Why go through all this trouble and not follow up on it? What is the point? Sounds like from your PoV you could significantly narrow down the scumpool, and yet you do none of this. Also, I'm not reading EPM as scum, so where is the leg-work linking me to the scumplayers on EPM's wagon?

This is why you are almost lynched. You're NOT actually being productive. You're just going "hey Bone is scum, formerfish is

townwhoopsimeanscum

maybe and also some other stuff that I don't actually want to draw conclusions from...oh and by the way let's compromise on Minnesota because he hasn't posted in a month".

I get that DV is first and foremost trying to save his skin, but someone tell me why his posting is town? He's a voluminous poster right now sure, but other than that what is he honestly doing that is so townie to warrant stalling this lynch?

On the flipside, what has Spy/EPM done to warrant being lynched over DV at this point?

In other news....

Happy late birthday Desperado. Whoever said that I was not playing may not have paid attention to my reason for requesting replacement.

After barely scanning through pages of tedious content with

NO PROGRESS WHATSOEVER

I decided that 50 Shades is still a scummy dick butt as well as Majiffy to a lesser degree. Whoever made all those posts about previous games (probably mollie) is going off topic and deserves a bullet to the head. USE CONTENT FROM THE GAME PLEASE, I OFFER ACTUAL CONTENT IN EXCHANGE.

Unfortunately however, I was only ever really into two or three games because they were interesting and they actually used content I can refer to. You young whippersnappers and your metas and tightly knit community.

Ummm what? No progress from what reference point exactly? Your last post....which was from the middle of Day 1? What kind of progress were you hoping to see then? By the way since your last post, Hiraki was lynched...no kill happened night 1....then we have been mostly wagoning Spyrex, EPM, and DV to different degrees over the past like 25 days since your previous post. Give us a reference point for your 'NO PROGRESS' complaint that you painstakingly capitalized to make it an important point.

I'm also pretty unimpressed by the players going "this game is hard to be invested in, nothing is happening" cause what the fuck is that shit? Plenty of things are fucking happening, and if things aren't happening the way you like, make something fucking happen. TO DV's credit, he may be scummy, but at least he's not defeated. This is me, T-Bone, stepping out of the context of the game for a moment, I'd keep his scumconfirmed ass around out of spite if the whining about 'nothing is happening' continues to gain traction.

Someone get here right now and tell me nothing is happening in the game, please please please do it....

[T-Bone]

To me, you were saying all those things, but not drawing any conclusions based on them, begging the question...what's the point? You don't seem to want to draw any conclusions right or wrong, and that's scumplay. If you don't draw conclusions you can't be held accountable. That is the scum-thinking I am talking about. "IF all my townreads read EPM as town...THEN scum have to be reading him as scum...MEANING Player, player, and player can be scum." You didn't make any decisions, didn't do any analysis....and that's what I'm talking about here.

You want to be town with me for a minute? Let's draw some conclusions here. Who is the 9 players saying EPM is scum? Let's put some concrete names on the table.

[T-Bone]

Just to step outside the game for a moment, and maybe this is a philosophy difference....but in my experience, and opinion, scum do not want to have to draw conclusions, take sides, or make definitive decisions, so to protect themselves from being linked to scummy things. And so when you go "oh maybe this fluff is important...oh no it's not" it looks like to me you're just saying and typing these things out to try and look like you're being productive.

So sure, having thoughts about things you notice is nice to have, but not following up on those thoughts is just posturing. You have these thoughts and posted them....so? What do I, a potential fellow townie have to gain from it? I'm not necessarily implying that one way or another those 9 players are all scum. But making general statements just to make general statements are tactics that are more useful to scum than to town.

What is scummy by not drawing conclusions is that you can handwash yourself of these things later. That's what I'm getting at, and making a fuss about for other players to notice.

[T-Bone]

Da fuck Porkens?

Okay, count me in for a compromise on him.

[T-Bone]

<3 Empking

[T-Bone]

My back and forth with MoS didn't leave me with happy thoughts about his alignment. I'd like to lynch him. Will dig some more in Porken's ISO as well, sometime today I hope.

I'm willing to lynch MoS too.

I don't completely get the Porkens hate. His attitude makes sense to me even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

"I want Spyrex to claim but I won't lynch him" makes sense to you?

[T-Bone]

Well I mean, once in awhile I hope you can at least pretend to be town DV. Because nothing about that statement makes sense from a town perspective.

[T-Bone]

Rolefishing for a claim on a player you don't intend to lynch is from the town perspective? oooookay....

(This also demonstrates DV being scum, stop de-railing this lynch people)

[T-Bone]

What were you even trying to quote Garruk?

[T-Bone]

....what?

[T-Bone]

So 50 Shades, would you care to share with the class what you've been up to?

[T-Bone]

Also, this is just a general question. How come we struggled to get any wagon going yesterday, but Pecan is already half way there?

[T-Bone]

ummm what?

[T-Bone]

When did Pecan pose for wall posters and where can I get one?

Also, where is 50 Shades?

[T-Bone]

Not for nothing, but the hydra is two players who are elsewhere on the site, so what's the deal? I understand some IRL issues, lord knows I have some right now, but both of them have completely avoided the thread. Not even a v/la declaration? I'm sure one if not both have to had at least glanced at this thread.

So Deas....why the change of heart? You haven't pushed me ONCE since the day started, despite me being such a sure scumread you had to be voting me at the end of the day yesterday. Today I go "hey where is 50 Shades" and you...vote them. Despite to my recollection not even considering them to be a scumslot. This looks like a 2ND case of you not having your reads together. You say "I'm so disconnected, no one else cares 50 Shades is not here" and "I don't think pecan and porkens are good votes", both of which are very inconsistent with what's going on. It seemed 50 Shades was a townread for you YESTERDAY, you were willing to lynch Spy and MoS YESTERDAY, but TODAY 50 Shades is scummy enough to get a vote....and despite Spyrex being a leading wagon TODAY that does nothing for you? Folks, this is Scumplay! Produced, written, directed by, and starring DeaVail.

[T-Bone]

You don't see the problem with having reads that obviously mean nothing to you? This guy is scum.

Vote: Deas

I'll explicitly explain. Why does Deas need another player's permission to lynch me? Notice he wasn't willing to start pushing me himself...he's hoping nachomollie will come back and do it for him.

Let's go guys, Deas is scum.

[T-Bone]

Then why does he need nachomollie to do it? Why does he vote nachomollie if he wants their help to lynch me? Why does he do things that are completely opposite of what he did yesterday? Why now that a Spyrex wagon is more viable is he not interested in that? Are you being intentionally blind to these things?

[T-Bone]

The difference between what you're doing and what he's doing is what he said. He said..."I need Purple to come back to be sure I want to lynch you". That is not the words that should be coming from a player who was is so convinced I am scum he was trying to derail everything else at the end of last day phase to get my lynch. His word and his actions do not line up, and that is what scum do.

[T-Bone]

It doesn't matter, you already showed that your words are not consistent with your actions. It's only that I called you out that you "remembered" you were scum reading me. It's not like the day phase started a couple hours ago, it started a couple of days ago. You had plenty of time to "pursue your strongest scumread." Instead you voted 50 Shades and decided to comment on the two wagons (pecan, porkens), saying that neither appealed to you; but while ignoring the other wagon on a player you already expressed a desire to lynch.

Deas play is inconsistent with the reads he supposively has. If he doesn't "have to appease other players and pursue his strongest scmread more"...why wait so long? Sure he made a throw away comment at the beginning of the day to see if anyone would bite...but that's what he's doing. He makes a comment at the beginning of the day saying "I wanna lynch some [sic] T-Bone" but abandon this pretty quickly when no one else tells him they'd be willing. He abandons this course of action till I force his hand. Is a coincidence that the one other player that wants to lynch me is the one player he's waiting for? Why does he need nachomollie to convince himself....or anyone else of me being scum? If I'm his strongest scumread, why doesn't he push that until I force his hand?

[T-Bone]

Is that a game we played together?

[T-Bone]

Stop being scummy I guess? I don't know what to tell you. Are you saying that I should view your inconsistencies as townie?

[T-Bone]

And I'm saying what you are doing is scummy. You can judge whether what I'm saying is true or not sure. I say you are inconsistent with your play and you say you're not. You can't judge if its scummy or not because you are a bit biased in that regard.

Despite you getting me sidetracked you aren't my preferred lynch, 50 Shades is. I'm super-duper confident he is scum.

[T-Bone]

I can say this because I think you're scum. I expect certain behaviors from town, and certain behaviors from scum. I except your behavior this game to come from scum. To me it does look like you're making all this up and whatever in an effort to distract people from how scummy you are. Come on, you just described literally every scum defense ever. You're attacking your attacker rather than demonstrating you're town.

50 Shades is a bit absent right now to tell everyone why he's scum. I gotta make due with you until they return. I know they are scum, but it should go without saying that there are more than one scum in the game.

[T-Bone]

Why do you think 50 Shades is town?

[T-Bone]

You're considering 50 Shades why again? Nacho pretty much prevented your lynch yesterday, and now you think 50 Shades is scum?

I am intrigued by T-Bone's certainty.

Here we go, DV.

I know for certain two things about 50 Shades. He has a night action, and he's a Werewolf. Day 2 Majiffy claimed to have seen 50 Shades do something Night 1, but never specified what it was. Majiffy flipped watcher, so he saw 50 Shades visit someone. I learned Night 2 that he was a Werewolf. I was trying to get this information across without having to claim. My strategy going into the day was going to try and bait them into admitting their night action. Hence my first post asking them to tell everyone what they were up to. Re: Jiffy they obviously aren't the one doing the night kill or Jiffy would have nailed them to the wall. But maybe I could have gotten them to admit to roleblocking or rolecoping or some other scum action. I was expecting 50 Shades to post like 50 Shades, so I was hoping I could get away with pushing the lynch without having to full claim. I wasn't expecting to have to argue with DV instead.

The day phase didn't go as I expected, but there we go. 50 Shades is scum and is our lynch today.

Vote: 50 Shades

As for DV today, his insistence of waiting for 50 Shades to do stuff this day phase suggested to me that he is with 50 Shades, and was trying to encourage them to get back here and start defending themselves. If he's scum with 50 Shades he would know about the night actions 50 Shades was doing and thanks to our argument Day 2 would be in the best position to try and cast doubt on anything I might try to do.

[T-Bone]

You first. Full claim. Cause I got you nailed to the wall.

[T-Bone]

I'm not suiciding on anyone. I got you last night guilty of being a werewolf. So...say what you will, it's no longer up to you and I anymore. I'll happily 1v1 you to nail scum.

[T-Bone]

Sorry, thought saying that he was a werewolf spelled it out enough Desp. I'm town seer. Night 1 went with Generic cause he had a VT claim on the table. I felt that if I discovered he was lying, I could push him without having to full claim. Then 50 Shades on night 2 and the rest is history.

The fact that 50 Shades is claiming VT should tip EVERYONE off that they are lying. Majiffy saw 50 Shades visit someone night 1.

[T-Bone]

In the meantime, why don't you tell me what you were up to last night?

In context this was directed at 50 Shades. Majiffy the Watcher asking 50 Shades what he was doing Night 1. This implied to me that he saw 50 Shades visit someone. Now that by itself isn't that suspect. Townies can visit players too. I thought at the time he was softclaiming tracker and watcher and he saw 50 Shades do something. Majiffy dropped the subject after awhile, but the soft-claim is there. But now 50 Shades is claiming VT despite the watcher implying otherwise. Plus my guilty on him now.

[T-Bone]

I don't think that's what he meant but okay. Townies can have non-suspect night actions too and I think that's why he dropped it. I think he saw 50 Shades do something, but whatever it was wasn't suspect enough at the time. That's what I read from the situation and it's something I had in the back of my mind all of the day phase yesterday.

[T-Bone]

Then what? If 50 Shades isn't scum then what happened? I feel like I am reading all my information correctly. To me, nothing about what I know suggests I am wrong on this.

[T-Bone]

And then in that game you(them) lynched the fake-claiming player afterwards right? Which accomplished net-zero for the town. If you fake-claim you might as well be playing against your win condition.

[T-Bone]

As for DV today, his insistence of waiting for 50 Shades to do stuff this day phase suggested to me that he is with 50 Shades, and was trying to encourage them to get back here and start defending themselves. If he's scum with 50 Shades he would know about the night actions 50 Shades was doing and thanks to our argument Day 2 would be in the best position to try and cast doubt on anything I might try to do.

I think it was obvious that I knew you were crumbing something and was waiting for Purple to come back so that they could say what they did last night, but whatever. I feel like T-Bone was being incredibly dense about my reaction to him early Day 3 (again I thought it was very obvious that my uncertainty came about because of his 'share to the class' question), moreso than I'd expect from a PR who'd normally watch out for people picking up on their crumbs, but I'm not in the state of mind to decide what to do now, so I'll have a think tonight.

I'm very sorry to everyone for being so disconnected lately.

I suspected you picked up on it. Most everyone else seemed oblivious or not noticing what was going on, so I was very interested in what you were going to do about it. I explained what I thought you were doing about it. So what were you trying to do about it?

[T-Bone]

If we're judging validity of claims, the doc claim is most suspect to me. Too much opportunity for 'follow-the-cop' with some of the other roles on the table.

[T-Bone]

My results are in the form of 'guilty' and 'not guilty'.

To be fair, Porkens was at L-1 at some point.

[T-Bone]

Right but we're not lynching anyone yet!

[T-Bone]

Fuck this Porkens/Formerfish shit for a moment. Lynch 50 Shades, or lynch me then him. Whatever it takes. We can lynch Porkens after you guys learn 50 Shades is scum.

[T-Bone]

Better role than 50 Shades? I don't know. Ask them. I know the information I have to be true, and that's all that matters to me. Any discussion that doesn't lead to 50 Shades of Scum getting lynched is no good to me.

What do mean extra investigation? Unless I am lynched I get my investigation tonight with your lynch. And even if Porkens is your scumbuddy, you're the better scum player, sorry to say. We should not be giving 50 Shades more time to weasel out of a lynch in my honest opinion. I should have began the day with my claim and I didn't, so that's on me. He still should be our lynch.

[T-Bone]

Then are you going to help me lynch 50 Shades tomorrow?

[T-Bone]

I DON'T CARE ABOUT PORKENS DUMBBUTT! 50 SHADES IS CONFIRMED SCUM TO ME! WHY WOULD I WANT ANYONE ELSE LYNCHED?

[T-Bone]

Cute.

[T-Bone]

I do not deny that Porkens is probably scum. I don't know why people continue to deny that you are also probably scum.

[T-Bone]

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GABMIT SCUM.

[T-Bone]

Whatever, Day 5 I guess? You're toast then.

[T-Bone]

I never had a moment of "hmmm maybe I am wrong".

[T-Bone]

And that is the scum player you all want to leave alive? He should have been rung up the moment I claimed rather than "well, maybe, I dunno, I mean I read his bullshit as town so fuck your claim I guess" being the reaction. I mean he's on the Porkens wagon, Porkens might as well be confirmed town (minus the doc claim business).

[T-Bone]

Morph is not a werewolf. 50 Shades still is.

Vote: 50 Shades

That's it really.

[T-Bone]

Like? You? Spyrex? Pecan? Desp? Everyone else? I have so many fucking choices at this point. With Morph's claim I decided he was least likely to die last night, and thus a positive result would be most useful.

[T-Bone]

Well if I let "obvious towness" dictate my investigations 50 Shades and company would be trouncing this game without any resistance. So excuse me if I trust my reads more than anyone else.

[T-Bone]

Well you didn't block cause I got a result. Sorry.

[T-Bone]

Put it this way, if t bone flips town 50 shades and garruk are scum.

Which I had called a few times. So I'm either wrong and we get scum or I'm right and you lot YET AGAIN learn generic's gut knows it's mafia.

Win win for me.

This is fair enough. Lynch em both after I flip. It's really sad we have to mislynch first, but I'll take a 1 for 2.

[T-Bone]

That's L-1, but thanks for paying attention.

[T-Bone]

^^ is not paying attention to the game either.

[T-Bone]

I played terribly this game, so great job to my scummates picking up the slack.