Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

Sakura Hana · Post Post #62 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:23 pm

In post 24, Feirei wrote:P-Edit: GiF's vote is now stuck on me. I prefer no one else votes me unless you're really sure I'm scum.

Oh really!

Also hi guys!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #69 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:27 pm

You have no clue who I am? wow GiF wow.

pieguy, my thoughts so far as that feirei and Varsoon are bugging me, and the fact that notscience is pointing out why and no one is paying attention is bugging me too.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #71 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:28 pm

Also for anyone wondering, I have role related reasons to not vote yet, go figure.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #82 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:41 pm

Well guess i could do something like this
pseudovote: Feirei.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #83 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:42 pm

Also i think Kagami is town based off claiming Miller right off the bat.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:44 pm

i dont really like how you're pushing me and dont follow up on your question, but ask everyone else's opinion of me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #87 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:45 pm

pseudounvote
pseudovote: pieguy

Sakura Hana · Post Post #90 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:49 pm

My role has negative aspects too so?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #94 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:51 pm

In post 91, borkjerfkin wrote:anyone around afflicted by a similar condition as me?

depends on what that is...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #96 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:52 pm

Also you can take it to the grave that scum won't leave me around for very long, my role will become obvious before D1 ends.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #102 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:56 pm

btw GiF remember who i am yet?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #103 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:58 pm

In post 88, pieguyn wrote:do you really have no other thoughts besides that? what's your read on GIF? talk to me

Oh i missed this one..

Ehh idk, GiF's always pretty awkward to read for me when he's outside of his hydras...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #108 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:04 pm

no it's because their roles collide... somewhat.

You will know the answer to the last one before day end i assure you... unless i derp and day ends before i remember to do it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #112 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:07 pm

pseudounvote
pseudovote Gaiden

I think this kind of effort is pie town, looks pretty different from the other touhou upick.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #113 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:09 pm

Muffin, talk to me about GiF.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #116 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:13 pm

why is knowing everyone's flavor name not make sense as a town role? he's basically a flavor cop that already scanned everyone. I agree on the former tho.

PEd. there's no restriction on voting you, but my vote will cuase more than just pressure if i do it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #120 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:16 pm

In post 119, Raging Bull wrote:Hi. My vote counts as two votes.

Ohai RB, i almost forgot you were in this game.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #139 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:41 pm

In post 122, Raging Bull wrote:Whats with your pseudo votes btw? If you vote, is it locked?

Not exactly, but with all the sticky glue around here i wouldn't be surprised if you came to that conclusion, it's worse than that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #144 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:45 pm

Do you really think all those are scum?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #153 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:53 pm

@GiF: Why are you townreading muffin?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #157 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:57 pm

In post 154, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm pretty town

do you disagree

I'm pretty paranoid about you actually, i'm going to use an ability pretty soon and i dont wanna waste it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #170 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:12 pm

Well it's cool that you're townreading me now GiF but you didn't answer my question, why is muffin town?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #178 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:18 pm

Hmm...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #188 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:24 pm

Ah jesus christ if i dont do this im gonna be paranoid all game, imma trust GiF's townread on muffin for the time being and clear this pile of WIFOM out

Miracle Mallet - Alignment Investigate: Varsoon

Sakura Hana · Post Post #193 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:27 pm

I can use it everyday anyway, it's not a spellcard. The downside is i wont know his alignment until tomorrow. <- This is why im more than likely to die during the night.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #196 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:29 pm

Also the fact that i can alignment investigate is why i think your miller claim is town, it's not a red herring at all. And yes i have to post in the thread for it to work...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #209 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:36 pm

I've played against scum muffin thrice, and I still don't know why GiF's giving him a townread so easily.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #220 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:39 pm

ns is obvtown, Kagami's very likely town, muffin is idk, GiF is idk, Varsoon's idk, Gaiden's probably town, pie's very likely town. That's where i stand atm.

Vote: Feirei

Sakura Hana · Post Post #221 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:40 pm

Now you'll see what the fuck is up with my vote.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #226 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:43 pm

Ugh if Varsoon gets lynched im really gonna regret not scanning muffin or GiF instead

Sakura Hana · Post Post #232 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:51 pm

what is that spellcard supposed to do?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #233 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:52 pm

Oh btw, if you didnt notice I'm also voteless, I was making a big deal out of it earlier because i didnt want to out that, but decided against it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #239 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:57 pm

In post 234, notscience wrote:One of the scum was voteless last game unless they used a card

I know there was, and the fact that I need to publicly state my action in thread and i wont get any result until the next morning is basically grounds for "OMG KILL HER", I'm still voteless tho, and i've proved it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #257 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:16 pm

Why is GiF still being voted after he has stated that he used a spellcard to ensure i live tonight?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #262 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:19 pm

In post 260, Varsoon wrote:Jesus, P-EDIT hates me.
I don't know why GiF still has votes.
zMuffin, can you articulate your shift to Raging Bull? I think I get it, but I want to know it.

If it makes you feel better when i posted that i saw your post right below mine.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #266 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:27 pm

he's pretty much guaranteeing that we get a conftown tomorrow if varsoon is town, or a confscum (indicting his buddy) if he's scum, so i dunno why would scum GiF do this still, when he could lay low and attempt to night kill me anyway. And why would he have a protective spellcard that he uses during the day...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #270 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:34 pm

Hmm.... he self voted the time he used that spellcard iirc. I didnt get anything of the sort when GiF used the spellcard.

PEd. lol.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #271 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:35 pm

In post 269, GuyInFreezer wrote:All my spell cards requires me to vote a major wagon.

Considering how you can be everywhere that doesn't seem hard to pull off...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #275 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:40 pm

In post 273, zMuffinMan wrote:
sakura wrote:I didnt get anything of the sort when GiF used the spellcard.
k

coz now i'm wondering why aya gets a protective ability, and if you didn't receive anything, it could have easily been some other ability that he's claiming is protective

He didn't bold my name either...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #279 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:44 pm

GiF why didnt you bold my name when you set your target?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #287 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:00 pm

Hmm tho GiF already knows everyone's character...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #289 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:04 pm

pseudovote: GiF

Yes i know this comes really bad after you just used something on me, but you handwaving pieguy's questions like that doesn't sit well with me either.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #295 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:12 pm

The wording doesnt seem to look like blocking... but hiding? the wind god? so... himself?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #300 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:18 pm

In post 298, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 295, Sakura Hana wrote:The wording doesnt seem to look like blocking... but hiding? the wind god? so... himself?
Aya's her, silly.

I was talking about you as a player with "himself" silly.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #303 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:28 pm

In post 302, notscience wrote:Why do these upicks always make me uberparanoid

like what the fuck

Really now, why are you getting so paranoid to begin with?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #425 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:03 am

Kagami my votelessness has something to do with my race... or part of it i guess.
@TNE: My alignment scan can be done everyday, but i have to do it in-thread for it to work.
@RB: Scanning Kagami would've been point on useless if the miller claim is true i'd have gotten a scum result, and if she's scum then i'd have gotten a scum result, so in the end, I end up discovering nothing about her alignment, the townread is based off she claiming a negative utility towards one of my abilities.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #433 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:08 am

In post 427, thenewearth wrote:
In post 425, Sakura Hana wrote: @TNE: My alignment scan can be done everyday, but i have to do it in-thread for it to work.
I read that yes.

But I would have been more ok if you chose someone else on a later date.

It would have been more effective then

Probably, I'm kind of regreting scanning Varsoon instead of GiF atm, but oh well.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #436 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:11 am

At least on the plus side tho, if scum does NK me town isn't losing a vote

Sakura Hana · Post Post #440 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:15 am

I do wonder if RB mistook my alignment scan ability with a role scan tho, i dont like that he's pushing that angle when i made it obvious that my ability was alignment scan.

pseudovote: RB.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #444 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:19 am

Speaking of knowing flavor i guess GiF "remembered" who i am now that I used an ability. Tho i figured my character would be obvious after using an ability anyway.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #448 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:22 am

but TH14 is like the best :<

Sakura Hana · Post Post #453 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:27 am

lol'd.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #458 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:37 am

Given the game hasn't even been open for 24 hours how do you come to that conclusion?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #463 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:43 am

I don't have a vote. Voting anyone won't count. That's what i get from it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #466 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:48 am

In post 465, GuyInFreezer wrote:Or if you were questioning my reads, then I'm pretty sure I explained those here and there.

Nah i was wondering mostly wrt Hanasawa, it has been over 12 hours, but not over 24 hours...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #468 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:53 am

Or to make up for my lack of one

Sakura Hana · Post Post #474 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:09 am

looks good
pseudovote: Bitmap
i think pieguy's town btw.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #475 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:12 am

Also i wouldn't be too quick to put Gaiden as town yet, and muffin is mostly paranoia.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #481 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:20 am

I normally have a few tells for both town and scum gaiden, but i'm not seeing either yet.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #485 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:23 am

Gaiden what are your reads!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #487 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:33 am

pseudovote: Gaiden

Sakura Hana · Post Post #489 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:35 am

I haven't said anything why do you think it's because you didnt give any reads?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #491 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:37 am

But why put it on yourself?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #493 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:40 am

I'm just bothered by the fact that you're agreeing with me on you probably being scum than rather actually trying to point me where scum should be.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #499 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:42 am

In post 498, SXTLHGaiden wrote:On a side note, i'm wary of RB. just sayin.

Even with his increasing ammount of vote power?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #509 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:00 am

In post 506, SXTLHGaiden wrote:being antitown gives scum less incentive to murderize me.
It made my suika role last as long as it did last game.

It gives town more incentive to murderize you tho.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #511 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:02 am

pseudounvote

Sakura Hana · Post Post #513 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:03 am

In post 77, Bitmap wrote:Gonna post more tomorrow. By then, this will probably get to page 10 like last game.

Still waiting.
pseudovote: Bitmap

Sakura Hana · Post Post #515 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:07 am

At least while Gaiden follows my every move he won't be hammering anything...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #516 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:12 am

Any other thoughts on the game gaiden?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #518 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:22 am

Hmm... oh well i'll check on this thread again later, seems like everyone's busy anyway, and i'll go have some fun streaming some Monter Hunter.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #537 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:07 am

In post 531, Raging Bull wrote:Gif, go retype your spell card with sakura name bolded.

What do you think about the mod stating that incorrect spellcard delcarations would be pointed out by him in-thread, and the fact that he didn't point anything out to GiF's spellcard use?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #543 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:32 am

By this point i think the only ppl who don't know my character probably don't know much about touhou anyway.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #547 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:40 am

You know i hadn't even thought of Kagami's role until you guys mentioned it, and now i have an idea of what it is, why do you think having this discussion is being helpful?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #549 (isolation #74) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:44 am

i find it oddly fitting by why are we flavor fishing your character? doesn't that benefit scum more? Also...

@Muffin: why is RB scum?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #553 (isolation #75) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:49 am

In post 550, zMuffinMan wrote:
notscience wrote:I think RB's role is scum.

GIF, say scum manage to ML town until lylo/mylo

then bull's just like KINGMAKER
actually, depending on the numbers (assuming it's 12:3), RB won't even make it to lylo if he's scum and hammers every day

which may have been put in as a counter-balance if it is a scum role

pseudovote: muffin.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #557 (isolation #76) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:55 am

No the thing is that i thought you had a completely different idea off Katarina's role in Dark Age of Law Mafia from what i read on the Dead QT. RB's role is quite similar yet you are saying it's possible to be scum.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #560 (isolation #77) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:11 pm

pseudounvote.
Ok, so why are we killing him D1 then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #562 (isolation #78) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:13 pm

Are you really gonna just mirror my pseudovotes? do you have anything you wanna do on your own?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #565 (isolation #79) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:18 pm

In post 563, zMuffinMan wrote:including someone who hasn't posted yet?

And that person declared V/LA for 10 days... oh boy...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #568 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:27 pm

TNE, thoughts on everyone else?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #573 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:48 pm

What i think tho, if we're going to mass flavor claim or something we should do it while GiF is still alive whether he gets lynched or NK'd or something, if he's scum he's already subdued himself to aknowledging all flavor claims or be lynched if he points a lie and turns out it wasn't, and if he's town he can lock the scum out of possible fake flavor claims.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #574 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:50 pm

Then again scum fake claims are probably unrelated to flavor so meh. idk.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #577 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Also hanasawa's 10 day V/LA is bothering the heck out of me, tho he's someone to go V/LA a lot but SRSLY?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #653 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:04 am

In post 652, Hanasawa wrote:Ask me questions.

What are your thoughts on the game?
What are your reads? Reasons?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #654 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:05 am

Also FFS I had stopped going more indepth into GiF's card and already was telling RB to stop asking and he was all like "BUT I WANNA BE SURE!"
pseudovote: Raging Bull.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #656 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:22 am

Also I got a light scumread on pieguy given the events of Upick Normal on our homesite, like what the fricken fuck trying to go after GiF's gambit like that when I also did a gambit on that game and sephibro kept pressing it, and sephibro was scum. Light because i doubt pie would put this much effort as scum, so a higher scumread on RB.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #658 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:28 am

In post 657, notscience wrote:I also think GIF is scum now, and am interested in wagoning him for the LOW LOW LOW cost of $9.95

Why?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #661 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:32 am

Well if you want i can go directly into voting someone tomorrow so the mod confirms that i dont have a vote before using any ability either.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #662 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:34 am

Assuming I live that long that is...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #676 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:40 am

Top 3 scumreads? but I only have 2 D:
Raging Bull and pieguy and the difference between those reads is gigantic, also I don't like PoEing scum when there's still more to hear from Lily and Bitmap and i still dont know if Varsoon and/or Feirei are town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #703 (isolation #91) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:12 am

I'm getting paranoid about notscience now, there are many ppl that have been pretty town it's kinda hard to believe that he hasn't found any townreads yet, and all his paranoia of the roles seems more useful for role fishing than townhunting.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #707 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:34 am

Except i can't vote you, you know. And i dont like why you suddenly jump like that, but i don't see how's useful for town on getting ideas about my role that make me be more specific instead of who knows, maybe surprising scum with something?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #709 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:38 am

But I don't see why him speculating on whether i have a vote or not before using an ability is town. Like... let's suppose he was right and i did, why would town need to know this? on the other hand why wouldn't it be better to surprise scum with it? And now that I have said that i'm full voteless permanently what did town gain with this info?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #711 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:47 am

Then go ahead and show me the results of your setup spec then. Without fishing for more roles that is.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #717 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:01 am

In post 715, notscience wrote:I've already said scum in voting fuckery

And if you're asking for full setup spec without all the roles lol. This is solely on what is known

So 1 in Varsoon/Feirei?
Or 1 in Varsoon/Feirei/RB?
Or 1 in all the people with different votes than the rest, a.k.a Varsoon/Feirei/Me/RB?

More than 1?.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #719 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:03 am

Oh almost forgot about GiF and his multivotional thing.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #722 (isolation #97) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:10 am

From all those 5 idk how to read Varsoon nor Feirei tho Varsoon will be sorted tomorrow anyway (or i die in which case it wouldnt matter to me anymore), and i'm scumreading RB, if what you say is true then it's quite likely i'll get a positive result from Varsoon, but then again why can't all of them be town? what's your reasoning for that?

PEd. Blaming me for Gaiden voting you is silly, I never asked him to vote you nor I did ask him to become my vote, he's doing that on his own and I've told him to stop doing it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #724 (isolation #98) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:11 am

Also why aren't you questioning Gaiden on his vote then? Heck why am i the only one questioning Gaiden on becoming my vote?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #727 (isolation #99) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:28 am

In post 724, Sakura Hana wrote:Also why aren't you questioning Gaiden on his vote then? Heck why am i the only one questioning Gaiden on becoming my vote?

Raging Bull this was a question directed at you

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:36 am

Yeah but it's not like I asked Gaiden to do what he's doing i'm doing pseudovotes to telegraph my scumread like normal votes would but since i can't vote because i'm voteless i have to do it that way, if that's an issue with you then i'll stop pseudovoting and problem solved, but that doesn't remove the fact that Gaiden still is being awkward in that regard and may decide to vote my scumreads.

And you putting the blame on me looks like you're doing exactly what Gaiden would want, to put the blame on me for HIS votes.

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:47 am

In post 739, Raging Bull wrote:Where the fuck is my answer Sakura? Where did you say that you stopped asking me about GiF? You asked me about it yourself.

You're right i didn't ask you to stop, but i did imply that you were going to deep into it when I commented on the answer that FG gave. Still doesn't change the fact that you kept insisting after FG mentioned that there had been no errors in spellcard usage.

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:49 am

In post 739, Raging Bull wrote:Are you kidding me? You putting the blame on Gaiden is exactly what I think you wanted.

And what makes you think you putting the blame on me isn't what Gaiden wanted? As I said it's his vote not mine, why aren't you questioning him, he can stop following me whenever he wants i've asked him to stop following me and he doesn't want to.

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:12 am

In post 744, Raging Bull wrote:What's so wrong about asking GiF to retype YOUR NAME to HELP YOU out? I was not even fishing out what that card did. Give me a scum motivation for doing that.

He had already used the spellcard, you kept digging too much into it, just like notscience keeps trying to dig deep into my role, and it's driving me crazy (And yes ns i see you trying to publicly guess Varsoon's flavor name).

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:13 am

Speaking of which ns, how did you go from "I don't like how we're claiming on page 2" to "Is your role permanent voteless?" or "Is varsoon Letty?"

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:26 am

I thought i already made clear i didnt like people proxying their votes to me?

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:30 am

I don't think you're scum, but i'm paranoid because of how you've been with all this role fishing and stuff, and the paranoia comes because I can very well see you acting this way as town too.

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:37 am

Except im surprised that you're being paranoid about me and being unable to read me and you demand that i must be able to read you fine when you're being uncooperative and asking such awkward questions and throwing theory that seems like you want to flip everyone's role cards on the table D1.

Sakura Hana · Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:30 pm

So Lily's also town good to know

Sakura Hana · Post Post #778 (isolation #109) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:37 pm

In post 757, Hanasawa wrote:Why no Sanae?~ I thought she was a good girl or did you realise how naughty she actually was?~ Ufufu~

Picking Sanae every game is boring... i wanted to try something new.

In post 757, Hanasawa wrote:RB and pieguy. How gigantic is the difference that we're talking about here? Make it a bit more concrete for me.

This has changed since i was arguing with RB, mostly coz I decided to ISO him because I wanted to make a case on him doing nothing, and surprisingly I was wrong he's actually been questioning people and stuff, I just didn't remember anything other than him pegging GiF about the spellcard use, pieguy's still a light scumread and i don't like how he's been rarely a presense now, as if "Oh hey i'm townread now i can be lazy", and if you're wondering why i'm not changing my pseudo it's because i wanna see what Suika does now that i'm not doing it. And why am I talking so awkwardly? because I doubt he will read it that way.

In post 757, Hanasawa wrote:Why are we not friends anymore? We don't talk with each other, it's depressing.

I'm always on skype you know!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #780 (isolation #110) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:42 pm

Gaiden why are you voting RB?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #781 (isolation #111) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:48 pm

Gaiden i know you have been reading everything that has been going on considering you posted right after I mentioned you and knew I was referring to you, why u so lurky.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #783 (isolation #112) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:50 pm

Why no comment on the discussion I had with RB wrt your vote?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #784 (isolation #113) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:57 pm

I'm still waiting for your answer! I know you're around because you're replying quite fast.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #786 (isolation #114) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:03 pm

Supposedly yes, basically blaming me for your vote, considering you do have your own reasons to vote RB, what do you think about this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #789 (isolation #115) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:22 pm

hmm... why didnt i think about something like that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #790 (isolation #116) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:23 pm

GiF is there someone flavorwise who could be a mafia governor?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #792 (isolation #117) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:32 pm

So you're scumreading RB? Why? I thought you normally PoE'd scum?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #793 (isolation #118) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:33 pm

ns, I'm free for the next 80 minutes and got nothing to do but stare at this topic hitting refresh, anything you want to talk about?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #795 (isolation #119) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:37 pm

Guess Dark Ages did leave quite an inpact on him... sigh... i knew i shouldn't have joined that game no matter how much Nati and the others wanted me to.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #797 (isolation #120) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:51 pm

Why do I always feel like I have to get things moving or town will fall in apathy? I mean, Gaiden's been doing nothing all day phase until just now, ns been doing nothing but get more role information on everyone, Varsoon's been lazy, muffin isn't doing anything, Feirei's doing nothing, pieguy did something and dissapeared, bitmap dissapeared, GiF is actually doing stuff, i don't even know what bork is doing, RB just being Raging Bull E. like usual.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #798 (isolation #121) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:53 pm

And that's sad but that's all I can remember that has happened this day phase.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #800 (isolation #122) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:54 pm

Or maybe im just bored because im here for a while :<

Sakura Hana · Post Post #802 (isolation #123) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:59 pm

Wait, what? you agree with letting RB live, you dont like Gaiden's unvote and then vote RB?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #810 (isolation #124) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:09 pm

So you put RB back at L-1 just to see how Gaiden reacted?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #811 (isolation #125) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:10 pm

Why do you think removal of pressure on RB was unnecessary?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #821 (isolation #126) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:23 pm

As far as being "obvious" no one really, I do have townreads of varying levels on many people, i thought more were town but seems like people just want me to stop townreading them (i'm looking at you GiF, pieguy and Gaiden).
The only ppl im not townreading aside from the 3 mentioned earlier due to latest interactions are bitmap (where are you?), Feirei (Dunno how to read this person he always looks like a lost lamb), Varsoon (I admit i can't read him this game at all, or maybe im just lazy coz i'll know his alignment tomorrow) vesok (Is this tunneling person who is doing nothing pro-town really an IC? am i not dreaming?). From the people i'm not reading as town i'm scumreading pieguy and Gaiden to different levels.

PEd. But you agreed that we should let scum sort out RB, why do you think applying pressure is necessary then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #825 (isolation #127) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:28 pm

In post 822, Raging Bull wrote:Who is hanazawa anyways?

Im sad no one had opinions on my idea.

Isn't me calling hanasawa Lily a give away?
He's Lilac from osu!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #829 (isolation #128) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:50 pm

In post 820, notscience wrote:Fucking nacho

I know how you feel, but if you think what happened in Dark Ages was bad you should look at what happened in NY169:

Spoiler: Lots of quotes from NY169

In post 5033, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5031, Generic wrote:Why question this now when it was proven?
Because I've been technically absent from the game for most of D2?

The way he pushed people in Marketplace Mafia it's way different than here, if it's other game then idk what you're talking about.

On the one hand both Nacho and Thor are a very strong asset to town if they are town, so I can see scum going for this possibility to get them mislynched.

On the other hand if they're scum they'll live for a long while and eventually they'll leave traces.

If they want to bus their partners let them do it? We get a scum flip anyway.

If they are town then they'll also find scum coz both Thor and Nacho are pretty strong players.

I don't see any reason for them to be lynched today.

In post 5038, Sakura Hana wrote:Why don't you trust casso then? I've had a fairly strong townread on them that only faltered like once.

In post 5199, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5193, DOMO wrote:I'm actually thinking we should speedlynch sakura.
This is actually a good idea, that way I get less games to focus on, and Nacho lives.

In post 5230, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5229, DOMO wrote:Why? Are you that sure casso is town that you're willing to go down instead of him?
That, plus the fact that Nacho's a much better scumhunter than me.

In post 5294, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5292, zMuffinMan wrote:can we just lynch casso today?
Casso's town, if you wanna lynch town today lynch me instead.

In post 6554, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6552, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6551, Generic wrote:SSK is the lynch, and he's at L-1 already it seems.

intent to hammer

Unvote

There's 1 more thing i want to say before the day ends, i'll write it when i'm not at work.
So here's the thing, you guys are calling it fatalism, i'm calling it a sacrifice.

I simply cannot let this go on while im being called scum just because of Nacho, but that doesn't change the fact that Nacho is a very strong townread of me, the fact that you guys are scumreading him doesn't help work together. Nacho and Thor are way better scumhunters than me, that's for sure, but with a Town that keeps throwing arguments amongst themselves and doesn't cooperate it will be near impossible for anyone to even shine. You're letting scum drive the town into chaos and i'm pretty sure Nacho will be able to dispel that chaos, We are a team, town wins as a team, the fact that i die doesn't change the fact that I still win if town wins, and if all it takes for town to get their heads on and start working together is to eliminate the lynchbait (a.k.a me) then i'll do it, my sacrifice will be the guiding light that will ultimately eliminate the scum and win the game, which is why I was asking if all it took for you guys to work together with Nacho would be me flipping town, i'm really going to do it, otherwise we aren't progressing anywhere. Please take this in mind during this night phase, and when the day opens tomorrow i'll open up with a self-vote and you guys can go ahead and lynch me, at least... it will be for the better of town.

With love, Sakura

vote: ssk

In post 7008, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 7007, Prophylaxis wrote:Can you show me some examples on this site? I don't think it's different here.
I think i'm the prime example of that.
Somewhere along the way on my first few games, I was used to being obvtown most of the time, then one game suddenly grew up on me lead by Wisdom just calling me scum for no reason which led me to a self-hammer, and there was when my paranoia and AtE began, this reflected pretty badly on my reputation, and I was frankly getting tired of it... then FEA came along and I just went "fuck it" and was going to quit mafia... enough that I replaced out of all games except that one and out'd of all the queues i was in, tho my friends convinced me to stay, then the whole thing with me replacing out when I was fed up with stuff came up, and mostly it was because i couldnt think rationally on the game anymore, which coincidentially happened on all my town games so I got banned for it as a trust tell.
Nowadays I'm trying to improve on that fact (again) and hope that this time I succeed on that, because plenty of people have told me I have great potential in here and I wouldn't really like that to go to waste. But if you wanna see the biggest chance of 5 ppl piling up on Town then you can pretty much look at my meta.
I think I even point out every game I've been mislynched in, but FEA is another place to look at where iirc I got wagoned by town and scum was defending me (lolz), In either case i'm not blind to my mistakes, and I always hated when people would make me like Innocent Child when my AtE would break out or stuff like that. In fact I think i started replacing out because I didnt want to "ruin games" anymore with my AtE which probably only made it worse.
In either case I'm trying to improve in that regard, when I got wagoned here it was prob. when I was still thinking of quitting for the second time, and people took it as it being related to this game, when it was just something that was helping me strengthen a decission I had made before.
Whichever the case tho, Nacho as scum should know better than to wagon me into AtE, because he would have to back off and treat me like an Innocent Child or otherwise it would be extremely fishy for him to continue pushing otherwise, which is why im pretty confident Casso is town this game.

You are free to take this with a grain of salt, but I'm probably more experienced in the town wagon on town regard due to having it experienced it myself.

In post 7162, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 7160, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:The irony is quite hilarious, seeing as you're the one mindlessly sheeping.
I'd happily mindlessly sheep Nacho or Thor (or Majiffy) any day.

In post 7937, Sakura Hana wrote:Not buying it, Casso has played in a pro-town way tbh, and I think you're probably getting intimidated by Thor's posts and sarcasm. Even if Generic's JK was unplanned i don't think Casso would continue to bus the whole team specially with how heavily suspected he is already it's pretty suicide.

In post 8407, Empire wrote:
Casso the King of Seals,
Mafia Tracker
, lynched Day 9.

Not only did I get a lot of flak for it, I got heavily insulted in the Dead QT while muffin was trying to defend me, It is not something pleasant and something dark in my past, compared to this, Nacho snowing you in Dark Ages was nothing...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #836 (isolation #129) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:14 pm

What I didnt like about RB was constantly pressuring GiF into more stuff about his spellcard when the mod already had confirmed that there were no spellcard errors, and then him blaming me for Gaiden's vote.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #841 (isolation #130) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:45 pm

In post 840, Raging Bull wrote:Yes to this. Since my lynch was imminent, i can at least see if i can make you guys believe him reading everyones role.

He proved this already:

In post 447, GuyInFreezer wrote:It's not a noodle bowl?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #843 (isolation #131) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:03 pm

So everyone keeps unvoting but still nothing new, no pressure at least on a lurker and only a few ppl have a scumread on someone =/ why do i have a feeling this game's gonna be slow.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #846 (isolation #132) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:07 pm

Well you're here now, so care to interact then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #848 (isolation #133) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:09 pm

What do you think about the game in general? What do you think about what you know about my role? What do you think about RB's blaming me for Gaiden's vote? What do you think about Gaiden's Unvote? What do you think about Varsoon's latest posts? What is your favorite pie flavor?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #851 (isolation #134) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:12 pm

In post 849, Feirei wrote:Sakura, I'm here for a bit, so if you have any questions to ask me, better do it now.

Sure!

In post 848, Sakura Hana wrote:What do you think about the game in general? What do you think about what you know about my role? What do you think about RB's blaming me for Gaiden's vote? What do you think about Gaiden's Unvote? What do you think about Varsoon's latest posts? What is your favorite pie flavor?

There!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #853 (isolation #135) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:20 pm

1) I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my townreads somewhere in my discussion and reach out to ns, so you'll find that out soon enough, the irony is im scumreading the IC

2) Just wanted general opinion, nothing new that i recall.
3) My thoughts on Lily is "Town" i mentioned this somewhere anyway.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #855 (isolation #136) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:23 pm

In post 854, Feirei wrote:What do you think of the possibility of me and Varsoon both being town?

I think it's quite likely since 1 2 ppl neighborhood doesnt mean 1 neighbor must be scum, so i don't see why GiF mentioned something like that on his first readslists, and on touhou upick 1 both me and varsoon were town and we were neighbors too.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #856 (isolation #137) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:23 pm

Also happy scumday.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #858 (isolation #138) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:27 pm

If it was that easy, a neighborhood would be like a cop result. I mean we... well they, had this discussion on gundam mafia.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #860 (isolation #139) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:31 pm

Well the duplicate role theory makes more sense than the 1 of the 2 neighbors is scum tbh.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #862 (isolation #140) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:33 pm

Well I already have a cop inspect directed at Varsoon tomorrow so what's the point of worrying about it right now? Unless you rather lynch Varsoon today and find out earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #865 (isolation #141) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:37 pm

i've given my thoughts on RB enough times, i didnt lik him accusing me for Gaiden's actions, but looking at his ISO he's actually doing stuff.
GiF's another person idk how to read and sometimes i wish i had directed my scan at him instead of Varsoon =/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #867 (isolation #142) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:38 pm

I think if GiF's gonna die then we should probs. mass flavor claim so GiF can verify all claims, he's proven at least that he does know everyone's flavor, what do you think?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #868 (isolation #143) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:40 pm

Still tho i can't shake the feeling that he tried to protect me, and idk if it's the same sort of thing nacho scum does as "pinging everyone's town tones of him at the right momment" but other than that, GiF's been pretty null.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #869 (isolation #144) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:41 pm

On another note, even if i wanted to wagon GiF... i kinda... cant XD

Sakura Hana · Post Post #873 (isolation #145) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:52 pm

btw pieguy you didnt answer the last question

now i'm sad (because that question didnt have anything to do with the game anyway).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #877 (isolation #146) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:56 pm

In post 875, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 867, Sakura Hana wrote:I think if GiF's gonna die then we should probs. mass flavor claim so GiF can verify all claims, he's proven at least that he does know everyone's flavor, what do you think?
Who's dying this game?
It's certainly not me

It was wrt ns wanting to lynch you.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #879 (isolation #147) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:58 pm

In post 876, pieguyn wrote:do you think it makes sense for scum-RB to redirect attention onto you?

He redirected attention onto me on mismatched, and i was one of the most townread ppl there,

although i tunneled him to death too so there's that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #882 (isolation #148) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:59 pm

Also apparently you're voting RB @pie

Sakura Hana · Post Post #884 (isolation #149) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:04 pm

btw GiF, what's up with you townreading Lily and not unvoting her.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #887 (isolation #150) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:08 pm

Idk, nacho's done the same thing twice in a row and it's worked both times, nothing would surprise me nowadays.

What's your read on RB? You're voting him but you're questioning my scumread on him as if it doesnt make sense for him to be scum so i can't tell.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #889 (isolation #151) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:11 pm

In post 886, GuyInFreezer wrote:you try to manage your vote when you have up to 17 votes

I already have enough managing my zero votes, tyvm

Sakura Hana · Post Post #890 (isolation #152) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:11 pm

In post 888, pieguyn wrote:and I wanna be sure about a read on him either way before moving on

Well you seem to already be convinced that there's no way scum RB would be playing the way he is.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #892 (isolation #153) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:13 pm

Hey im bored too :<

Sakura Hana · Post Post #894 (isolation #154) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:16 pm

Tho you kinda remind me of how in the first touhou upick i used all my spellcards D1.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #895 (isolation #155) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:17 pm

So what does this one do?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #897 (isolation #156) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:18 pm

Does that mean you wasted it or...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #899 (isolation #157) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:21 pm

What was it supposed to do then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #901 (isolation #158) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:24 pm

That isn't fun at all, i'm still bored.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #905 (isolation #159) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:36 pm

Actually i'm bored too

Mallet "Grow Bigger!"

Figured this spellcard would be more useful D1 anyway.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #906 (isolation #160) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:40 pm

So GiF i dont believe:

In post 904, GuyInFreezer wrote:I unvoted because he was at L-1 already but now there's like 2 votes on him

Anything you said there, discuss.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #908 (isolation #161) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:50 pm

Because he was at L-3, why did you wait so long to unvote if you didnt want him to be at L-1?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #909 (isolation #162) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:50 pm

And then if that was your purpose why did you unvote then when he no longer was at L-1?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #911 (isolation #163) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:56 pm

And there's also this:

In post 471, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh right. I forgot about the suicide element on RB's claim.
Yeah that makes him town too.

What has made you change that? Has it even changed? or do you just want him dead because of his role?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #912 (isolation #164) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:57 pm

Note that at that point you were still voting RB and you said you were "unvoting your townreads"

Sakura Hana · Post Post #914 (isolation #165) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:01 pm

That's what i thought at first but apparently you still wanted him dead anyway, and you "only unvoted because he was at L-1". So do you townread him, do you want him dead, what, I don't get it. Please elaborate in detail about your feelings wrt RB and your whole thought process on him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #916 (isolation #166) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:11 pm

Yes it was, because you never make it clear how your thought process goes =/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #917 (isolation #167) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:12 pm

In post 915, GuyInFreezer wrote:4. Vote still stays (the point where I remembered that I was still voting him but not wanting to unvote anymore)

More specifically this is something i never had any idea happened, did you hint or post something like this somewhere?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #919 (isolation #168) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:18 pm

Hmm ok i guess i missed that when going through your ISO (maybe was that what I saw earlier rather?)
Sorry, i just wanted to make sure.

Vote: Bitmap

STOP LURKING!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #921 (isolation #169) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:21 pm

yaeh i ctrl+F Forgot and Unvote, so i had a hard time finding it on your ISO =/
I do remember you hinting to forgeting to unvote somewhere that's what i was looking for but couldn't find it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #923 (isolation #170) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:27 pm

In post 922, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also hello vote

I was here wondering how long it would take you to notice that

Sakura Hana · Post Post #924 (isolation #171) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:29 pm

My spellcard makes me big enough to vote, however it only lasts one day phase, so figured it'd be better D1 where we really need to pressure people.
I was planning on saving it for a MyLo or something where scum would go "WE WON BECAUSE WE GOT MORE VOTES!" and i'd be like "NOPE!" but i think there's bigger chances of me being dead before then and I rather do something useful D1.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #926 (isolation #172) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:30 pm

In post 925, GuyInFreezer wrote:I havent slept for past 50ish hours. My brain is kinda slow atm

Addicted to Monster Hunter?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #928 (isolation #173) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:32 pm

Oh... well hope you get better then.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #929 (isolation #174) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:35 pm

I cant believe i spent the past 5 hours tracking this topic down, im really bored tonight...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #930 (isolation #175) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:37 pm

On another note, for anyone wondering i've sorted GiF out, i think he's town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #941 (isolation #176) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:30 am

Guess it was a good idea that i used that spellcard then, otherwise we'd have 1 less vote than what we currently do.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #951 (isolation #177) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:57 am

In post 947, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 945, Kagami wrote:GIF looks to have a townread on you for flavor/flavorspec reasons, so I've been trying to work out what that is.
A specific person, if in the game, is 100% scum, according to my role-PM. I was trying to figure out whether or not that person is in the game.

Well GiF knows every single person's character so why not talk with him about this?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #955 (isolation #178) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:59 am

In post 952, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 951, Sakura Hana wrote:Well GiF knows every single person's character so why not talk with him about this?
Did you not see me doing exactly this earlier?

What i saw was something like "someone being afflicted by the same as you" or something like that. How much touhou flavor do you know?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #959 (isolation #179) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:01 am

Okay, that's all I needed to know.

So I think bork's town now.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #968 (isolation #180) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:15 am

Right... why do I always forget to check people's latest posts before poking them into coming back here

Unvote
Vote: Gaiden

PEd. Varsoon vote Gaiden then.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #974 (isolation #181) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:27 am

I think that meta usage like that just gets in the way of correct reads, look at ns on Dark Ages almost mislynched me because meta.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #983 (isolation #182) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:47 am

The more important question is... If you're being accused of being scum for doing such things as town, why do you keep doing them?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #986 (isolation #183) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:49 am

So what's the town motivation in getting defensive before you're even attacked?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #987 (isolation #184) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:51 am

I mean if apparently you're "posturing" and apparently you're town, you should be able to tell me what's the town motivation that drove you to do something like that dont you think?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #991 (isolation #185) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:59 am

In post 990, zMuffinMan wrote:
sakura wrote:I mean if apparently you're "posturing" and apparently you're town, you should be able to tell me what's the town motivation that drove you to do something like that dont you think?
you're thinking about it too narrowly

i don't particularly want to delve too deep into theory here, but defensiveness isn't, has never been, and will never be a scum tell. at *best* it's a neutral tell. what you should be looking for is deeper than that. i know i'm town, i know any reasons for thinking i'm scum are flawed, if not fake. especially when coming from someone that should know better, and especially in a game where i've been as transparent as i've been so far.

That's not the answer to the question I asked tho. If you know you're town then digging this meta discussion (He saw me do it as town!) is pointless and instead you should be focusing on the heart of the argument... it being what you actually did HERE, not what happened in other games, once again why did you react like that coming from your townie mindset.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #993 (isolation #186) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:05 am

In post 992, zMuffinMan wrote:what is your point here? i quite literally said i don't see how town-you thinks what you think, i asked you why you think what you think, yes i'm being hostile because i don't believe you have a good reason to think i'm scum and you're still not expanding on the reasons you supposedly think i'm scum

Yet he didn't have any reason to think you were town either and that was your Point of Attack.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #994 (isolation #187) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:08 am

I mean he expressed he didnt have any idea about your alignment, which is something the majority of the players here have expressed wrt you me included, yet you're attacking him as if he was calling you scum for it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #995 (isolation #188) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:09 am

EBWDOP: *yet you attacked him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #999 (isolation #189) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:14 am

Said posturing due to said lack of townread is what gave him the scumread, and considering by the point he had his lack of read you hadn't "postured" yet that completely obliterates your argument.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:25 am

In post 1002, zMuffinMan wrote:
sakura wrote:Said posturing due to said lack of townread is what gave him the scumread, and considering by the point he had his lack of read you hadn't "postured" yet that completely obliterates your argument.
uh, the tipping point for him voting me was me "posturing" so i don't really get what you're saying here

So he mentioned anything about posturing before your 938 then?

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:27 am

I mean, that's the part where you started attacking him for a lack of townread on you, so I don't get why you're talking about him voting being the tipping point considering it happened after you provoked him.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:40 am

In post 1011, zMuffinMan wrote:i've been pretty transparent in my reads

Reads? what reads? I don't know where you stand even now.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:48 am

From 1 side i think this could be just a big misunderstanding that triggered zmuffin off, on the other hand if he supposedly thinks bork's doing this on purpose yet not voting bork i don't see clearly where he stands wrt the whole situation, but alas, Sinking the core of the argument in water while being swallow about is what scum loves to do, muffin never bothered to ask what was the gut feeling bork had and decided to just get defensive anyway and then start making an argument on him being defensive should be a town tell... I don't think how this kind of trajectory can come from town...

Unvote
Vote: Muffin

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:50 am

In post 1016, Feirei wrote:Starting to think bork vs muffin is T vs T.

That was what I was thinking at first, but scum loves to drag things like this into a long argument where they're portrayed as a T v T scenario so i'm wary of making rash decissions like that.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:54 am

Actually yeah, you did =/

Unvote

And yeah i dont really get where you stand, i only know you had a scumread on RB and then backed off it, and probably a townread on GiF but that's about it.
Meh, im starting to think that im just overthinking things and it's clouding my mind, i'll leave you guys be for now.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:26 am

In post 1030, zMuffinMan wrote:are you the new jaqen, vezok?

He might very well be.
I love how this time people are ignoring him tho.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:27 am

I mean, what i would think of an IC is that person would engage with town knowing that all he's doing comes from town motivation and ask questions throw reads and stuff.
Not someone that gets lazy sits in the back and keeps spouting "X is scum, lynch him" I'd be surprised if scum NK him.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:32 am

That being said, i'll still be watching muffin closely, at this point he's probably a better target for my day cop but since i already used my first one on Varsoon i hope i live long enough to scan him D2 and get a result D3.

Sakura Hana · Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:59 am

i'll just press on Gaiden again for now i guess

Vote: Gaiden