Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[Nachomamma8]

Also bork's slot has managed to stay in the null for day and a half, so i'm hoping Nacho can fix that.

The only thing I will fix is a lack of scum bodies in the thread.
I AM KAGURA

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Varsoon, I think you're worth listening to!

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Nacho i hate you. TO U HOE :[

I want to sort you and u log on and then log off again w/o coming in here.

mala i <3 you with all of my heart

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Nacho i hate you. TO U HOE :[

I want to sort you and u log on and then log off again w/o coming in here.

mala i <3 you with all of my heart

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varsoon stop being so town, other people can't keep up you beautiful man

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i love that andrius quote.
i miss andy

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no response to love, mala?
are you too guilty to look me in the eyes and tell me that you love me too?
or is it that awkward "oh man i don't actually like this asshole, nvm"?

because that's okay if true, i can take it

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i'm 6t fooot 6, i can take it!

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FUCK CLAIMS
ALL I TRUST IS THE HEART

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carsoon i have two minutes.
tell me who to vote so magua doesn't get angry please

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Vote: Pim

I think you're town you sexy muffin you.
Fuck no notscience wasn't scum, I just glanced over that ISO.

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GAIDEN:

I think that the way Gaiden behaved early about his character claim was townish. I can't really imagine him faking an internal dialogue in thread of "do i fakeclaim or do i fakeclaim", and I think his flippantly anti-town attitude, his extremely powerful role, his initial crumbing of his extremely powerful role before claiming all add up to a pretty town Gaiden.

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Sakura's town as shit, don't need to read that ISO.

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Lily generally seemed decently town, so Magua gets to skate a little bit by extension.

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Pim ISO sucks, glad i'm voting there.
I don't like when players are like "this is who I suspect, reasons coming later" because it feels like they're determining a conclusion and then making reasoning up for it after.

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Feirei seemed pretty town, don't know why it got shot.

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TOWN:

SXTLHGaiden
Sakura Hana
VictorDeAngelo Feirei
Malakittens notscience
Varsoon
GuyInFreezer

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Why town Muffin? What the fuck is this troll list?

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Yo, Muffin, what's your opinion of Raging Bull specifically?

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nacho's right to read me has been revoked for good

you've been bad at reading me longer than i've been reading you, sooo

obviously i thought he was the towniest fuck that ever towned. should be pretty obvious if you've read anything i've said about him. or you could just scroll up to 2203

I was hoping that you'd be able to give me reasons that I wouldn't have to scroll through your ISO to read. I have no intention of reading your ISO since it won't help me get a read anyways, sooo.

Nacho give me thoughts on Kagami and GiF please. Mainly the former than the latter.

Also requotingcuz he missed it~

I dunno. GiF seemed town in ISO, but I haven't seen town presence. Don't really have an opinion on Kagami.

stuff like questioning why a cop didn't investigate a miller, after calling them both town, then proceeded to suggest they were buddies (iirc)

This seems crazy, not scummy.

awkward questions to me about what i thought of feirei's(your) vote-sticking stuff rather than questioning me about what i think of feirei(you).

This additionally doesn't seem very scummy.
Were these your favorite points?

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then stop lynching obvtown malakittens/notscience and propose something better then.

PIM.
KILL PIM.

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Whenever I open this game up and see PIM not dead, I ask myself: why isn't PIM dead?
I never come up with a good answer.

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She was fakeclaiming >.>

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The Sign of a Thousand Angry Turtles - Day PGO + Public Investigation: Nacho

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yeah i think my brain popped a little bit

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FFERY!

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i'm town!

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hi guys

-f

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Varsoon is town.

Kagami's random miller claim

still

bugs me, but I can write her off as town.

P-Edit: GiF's vote is now stuck on me. I prefer no one else votes me unless you're

really sure

I'm scum.

I think Feirei's opening is fairly townish. Hydra'ing with him was scum and convincing him to post was pretty difficult, and his opening is light, ballsy (particularly vote on Varsoon when he knew it would stick), light.

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(btw welcome to level 100 buldermar. this is for you, friend: you will never be forgotten.)

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why is knowing everyone's flavor name not make sense as a town role?

compare it to the last touhou upick and the roles there

i was a race cop who had to check race one by one each night; that is the sort of thing i'd expect in a town role, not what gif claimed

on the other hand, given this is fakegod and role madness, i could def see a scum role who can multivote and knows everyone's flavour

If flavor is alignment independent I don't see how this follows

i don't really understand what the relevance of this is, so i'm just going to pretend i do and nod sagely :nod:

I don't really understand why the role is more likely to come from scum than town. You can say scum roles will generally be stronger than town roles because balance, but... knowing everyone's flavor isn't that cool? And multivoting is pretty spectacular, but the early out of multivoting means A) the scum use of hammering both wagons is pretty useless (even though it's not super great in the first place), and all he's doing is making everyone else hated. Which is also not that cool.

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There is a frozen flavor related to the sticking, and apparently feirei is immune to it since he too is freezy.

You never explained your suspicion on Varsoon early game.

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kagami,

varsoon sorts itself out if gif is telling the truth about the spellcard he just used

who else do you think is scum?

Yep.

I can't imagine that GIF is faking the spellcard, or that it does something that isn't protective. Only thing I find surprising is that he's not Yukari.

I don't have any especially strong alternative scumreads. I was thinking feirei as scum early on, which hasn't really faded, but the ability seems rather harsh to give to scum, and I think scum feirei would have been very motivated to claim immediately. If varsoon is scum, I was thinking ns town for being the first to doubt his towniness. I'm unsure about bork and RB. I think you're town; feels like titan muffin.

Kagami support of Muffin happened early, sustained a very long time.
Interesting!

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Oh Jesus I should have read the game before ;-;.
Kava I, are you normally this useless as town?

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Page 24, pretty much 100% in Feirei-town camp.

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What is the super special relationship with Muffin?

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I'm reading the game and feel mostly useless so far, hopefully that will change in 70 pages. Should probably make a conscious effort to engage more...

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Ffery should be able to hard town my slot from bork argument with muffin, that's cool.

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btw @Muffin, why is Kagami a 'weaker' townread?

it stems from the conversation he had with me about pieguy, which gave me mild town vibes. the way he's analysing things looks townish.

and ~reasons~ which may or may not resolve themselves in the near future

anyway, i'm going to step back here and look over this again with fresh eyes tomorrow.

1543 was realllllllly fucking shit, and two ironic things about it are: (a) even when i think i'm being really transparently fucking town, apparently i'm not, and (b) a large part of why i started scum reading nacho in that game is because he couldn't see how fucking transparently town i (thought i) was being and i thought he should have known better

*shrug*

I felt the same way!
It really sucked.

[Nachomamma8]

Current Status:

Town
Ffery
Varsoon
Victor
Nacho

Scum:
Kagami
Magua

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Mmmm.

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Hey Muff!
Who do you think is an SK?

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I have a town read on you and am deciding whether to subvert it or keep it.

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If I voted Magua, would it do anything?

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Or Kagami.

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Do you agree with my Kagami read?

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I'm pretty unsure how to play this role, actually.

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I probably would have snatched a mislynch to make myself confirmed town for power that would be OP in scum's hands, but that's pretty difficult considering we are on the ropes.

Is this another Land of Fantasy scenario???

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Muffin, please don't type so slow :<

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I guess I'll keep fucking reading or whatever
Sigh~

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protect me and I guarantee that you live another day - but I need to know you're doing it first.

This is already outed: protective roles in the house?

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Vote: Kagami

I think town is pretty fucked regardless of we do.
At this point, I'm sort of hoping fiery is the SK.

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I have an ability to make the game endless night and I find that sort of hilarious.

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Yeah I can choose to skip day phases whenever I want.
Which would be cool if we wanted to no lynch, but um

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And see I feel the strength of this role is all how you play it. If I extended night early, became confirmed town, chain protected and did other cool shit, good things would happen?

But I need time to setup, and I sincerely doubt that's gonna happen.

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Yeah I can choose to skip day phases whenever I want.
Which would be cool if we wanted to no lynch, but um

Whenever I want during night phase, whoops.

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Current Status:

Town
Ffery
Varsoon
Victor
Nacho

Scum:
Kagami
Magua

Have you read through the part of the game where Sakura said she would vig Victor?

Yes. Are you the SK?

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I guess I should've found a sneakier way to ask that, but w/e.

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I'm thinking about Magua and Nacho.

Additionally, this is unacceptable.

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is not town reading me equivocal to scum reading me

It's been a minor gut scumread that I couldn't quantify very well.

some friendly advice though; let sleeping beasts lay dormant, because if you are scum and you awaken the beast, i am going to make this game thoroughly unenjoyable for you

What if I'm town and I awaken the beast?

VOTE: Muffin

This reeks of posturing on a read on me before I actually answer you/bullying me out of pushing you rather than actually trying to figure out why I'm thinking what I think.

coz i don't really know how town-you could think that, and i can see scum-you trying to capitalise on certain players' paranoia about me here.

What do you know about scum me, exactly? Because you

haven't

played with it, you've played with town me what, once? and you were scum and didn't even have to really analyze my thought process there because you knew I was town the whole time. So how the hell do you think you know what either version of me might or might not do?

and you played in/followed gif's touhou game where you correctly identified me as scum

Yeah, uh, the elephant in the room that you're ignoring was that it took a fucking cop guilty on you to really know that.
I think I've been pretty forthcoming in various places (this game, gif's dead thread) that my thought to investigate you was pretty spur of the moment.
You know damn well that my scumread on you in that game was 1) pretty nebulous D1 and 2) reliant on the reads of two other people (something you also quoted here!)

because i've played in three of your modded games start to finish

And yeah, you've been in a few of my modded games (as both alignments). One of the things that is interesting about modded games is that I don't have to form a read on you because

I already know what you are

(and even if I am reading the game, I'm not analyzing it to the point where I have solid meta on your game) I seriously don't understand when people use this as an excuse for why I should know you better than I do.

This game:
I didn't like your opening on GIF (89)
I don't get your trajectory on RB.
Your claim (don't target me with anything) isn't as specific as it should be (you can argue I'm trying to 'rolefish' or what the fuck ever, but if I were negative utility I'd be screaming to the high heavens about exactly what that negative utility is)

Has it been a strong read so far? No. I haven't tried to pretend it is.
But the way you're engaging me now is kinda garbage.

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^^^this is who I replaced

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Vote: Kagami

I think town is pretty fucked regardless of we do.
At this point, I'm sort of hoping fiery is the SK.

You're hoping I'm SK?

You're going to be disappointed.

I mean, let's see.
Frozen people being serial killers doesn't make sense, does it?

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Spoiler: FakeGod: Please Modkill trespassers if seal is broken by any other than zMuffinMan

he was so town he came to me and asked him to help with this green shit problem he was having and I was like "no problem, I'll replace in and be confirmed town"

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I'm thinking about Magua and Nacho.

Additionally, this is unacceptable.

You're in that sentence based purely on the fact that you've done basically nothing since you replaced in prior to this morning.

Do you think that's a tell for me?
Especially one that outweighs bork being incredibly obvious town?

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OH GOD I SCUMSLIPPED

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I think?

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I'm thinking about Magua and Nacho.

Additionally, this is unacceptable.

You're in that sentence based purely on the fact that you've done basically nothing since you replaced in prior to this morning.

Do you think that's a tell for me?
Especially one that outweighs bork being incredibly obvious town?

I'm still mostly waiting for a response to this.

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Spoiler:

I think I probably should have told bork to go to the hospital, then

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I'm thinking about Magua and Nacho.

Additionally, this is unacceptable.

You're in that sentence based purely on the fact that you've done basically nothing since you replaced in prior to this morning.

Do you think that's a tell for me?
Especially one that outweighs bork being incredibly obvious town?

It's not a retrospective tell, but you not doing shit in apparent lylo worried the hell out of me. I basically didn't want to even try to sort out the rest of the game while that particular elephant took up a good chunk of day 3.

Right now, the elephant is my predecessor, who you've not acknowledged as town beyond all town.

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It also feels like I was more an elephant to Varsoon than I was to you, which isn't exactly what you're trying to sell me now.

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I would agree with that, sure.

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Although it would be funny if we lynched Magua's scum partner instead of Magua, don't you think?

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Fiery, I'm going to use the bathroom, and when I come back, I expect to see a post acknowledging bork is town.

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And if you are SK, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND you doing so.

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So... You don't thnk bork was incredibly town?

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This isn't exactly just a predecessor. This is bork.

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It also feels like I was more an elephant to Varsoon than I was to you, which isn't exactly what you're trying to sell me now.

No, my first comment when I joined the game was something about you and muffin getting along awfully well given it's day 3 and possibly 4-3-1 or w/e.

I want you to be town. After I read through most of the game I wanted to say lynch somewhere within victor/magua/kagami. But, your day 3 entrance seemed pretty laid back and don't-care.

I've been pretty laid back and don't care in a lot of situations where I shouldn't have been as town.

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I usually wake up eventually (too late) when I have a stupidly slow start. I'm awake now.

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Why not?

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I mean, a ham fisted approach seems kind of dumb in a situation where I want to avoid you having polarizing thoughts.

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Here, I want to put you into a very uncomfortable position regardless of alignment, and fast.
I'm doing exactly that, which only makes me more town.

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Because, you should know that if you're town I'll see it. Good chance that I'll see it even if you aren't town.

I expect you to see Bork's towniness more clearly than you'll see mine unless stars align in a weird way, which normally doesn't happen unless I'm pushed off a brink of some sort some how.

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As scum? You get a strong town read on me in LyLo, that's cool, but very unnecessary.
You get a strong scum read on me in LyLo, really bad things happen.

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In order to get strongly town read as scum, you have to change your game up significantly, which means risks. Risks aren't worth the reward when you can get the same reward with half the risk.

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Because, you should know that if you're town I'll see it. Good chance that I'll see it even if you aren't town.

I expect you to see Bork's towniness more clearly than you'll see mine unless stars align in a weird way, which normally doesn't happen unless I'm pushed off a brink of some sort some how.

Sigh.

It used to be a lot easier.

Point is: easier with bork than it is with me. Why not focus on bork?

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As scum? You get a strong town read on me in LyLo, that's cool, but very unnecessary.
You get a strong scum read on me in LyLo, really bad things happen.

Ok.

Now.

From my POV you floating into a lylo situation is scary as fuck.

You're addressing that.

Now, explain how GiF was anything other than town with a 200+ post ISO and literally all cards on the table?

I don't think GiF was groupscum. I think he can play a strong day game as SK, have scary passives to back him up, and play an anti-town night game.

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In order to get strongly town read as scum, you have to change your game up significantly, which means risks. Risks aren't worth the reward when you can get the same reward with half the risk.[/quote

This is probably a truism, but I don't see how it really applies here?

Why would I want to avoid you having polarizing thoughts as scum is the question this answers.

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So....

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Thinking more along the lines of the kill, not the rolecop.

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Impossible Request "Swallow's Cowrie Shell -Everlasting Life-"

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That's fair enough.
I generally am getting okay vibes from you at the moment, so I'm okay although a tiny bit surprised.

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(he would if he were SK)

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Do you think we could have a frozen serial killer?

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varsoon/victor

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Or the Disney movie, both are good answers.

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All they said were "Varsoon is Town".
I was more referring to how the vote freeze mechanics make a hard third party role even more difficult.

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Especially since they're everlasting.

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I don't think Kagami-SK since SK is probably investigative immune, and Magua locking himself in a 1v1 this early in the day seems pretty strange for an SK.

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Which basically means you or Muffin SK, which now probably means Muffin SK.

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Which makes sense, considering I'm pretty much his role's opposite (I'm good when people target me and encourage people to target me while Muffin is anti-target).

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But i had a choice to choose which one of you would be SK, I'd probably like it to be you since more town friendly and all.

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Not liking RB's latest posts, he's blaming Gaiden for deadline hammering which is what.... anyone would do to avoid a no lynch?
Also Varsoon is town.

Yeah, read through it again.

I was wondering if there was "not mafia" ambiguity, but apparently not.

I hate speculating on setup, but I dunno. Vote-stickiness more likely to be groupscum than SK?

That's my general thought. I mean, vote-stickiness is worse than being hated and I don't really see hated serial killers that often.

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I don't think Kagami-SK since SK is probably investigative immune, and Magua locking himself in a 1v1 this early in the day seems pretty strange for an SK.

magua, kagami and {you, muffin, victor} scum and ffery SK.

We lynch magua or kagami right now. No need to kill SK cause it going to be instalose.

Close, but ffery is probably not SK.

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Probably.

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Do you have reads, fiery? Who should we lynch?

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I think it would be cool if we block voted Kagami.

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I don't like them.

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You're comfortable that Victor is town? because my lynch pool has been victor, magua and maybe kagami.

Not really, no.

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They always hit town, pretty much.

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She legitimately hasn't done shit this game.

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Like, nothing.
Except soft defend Muffin.

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Which sort of led into a "they aren't scum together" type of read, but I don't think that makes sense given a game state where I think the players who aren't the SK actually aren't the SK and you're town.

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What does that do anyways?

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No real need, I don't think.

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Katana, are you aware that I'm voting you?
Or...?

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Kagami***

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Well your my number too choice Kagami, should we lynch you instead?

This is interesting!

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It interacts with my spellcards, most of which don't do much.

I was hoping to set up a situation with the surprised status to make someone think they were hammered, and use post hammer reactions to divine alignment.

If I were scum, or if I somehow made it to lylo, one card would have significant utility. I can manipulate the surprised players' vote (like pie's card from last game)

I am aware that you're voting me, and that your vote is bad.

How would this happen?
Why didn't it happen?

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You'd be in prime quick hammering position if town and assuming scum have a way to shut down the SK.

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Also, why are all for your reads based off night action speculation and none being actual reads?

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I think I whined about your read on muffin earlier because it seemed oddly shallow? Or something?

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Do you think Victor/Magua is a cross bus?

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Or SK v scum? Who's the likelier to be scum?

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Is my Frozen speculation incredibly misguided?

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Why does Magia choose to bus here?

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As I said, I think both frozen neighbors are scum of different sorts.

Even if varsoon isn't the SK, it would still imply victor scum since there's no way both neighborhoods are clean.

Why can't both neighborhoods be clean?

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One possibility is that there wasn't an obvious viable mislynch at the time.

Another is that magua didn't realize that voting such would lead to the point I made about it being essentially a 1v1.

I think Magua would know he'd be creating a 1v1. At least, I hope he would.

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Why?

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Making all town neighborhoods would be a move that would subvert most site meta expectations.

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If this would come out of anyone, I expect this would come from the guy who sticks 20 neighborhoods into every game he mods.

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So then you and victor the only non-conf town?

I don't understand your point.

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If you and varsoon are town, why did gaiden die?

Don't know. Why did Gaiden die?

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Ah, because Gaiden can kill non-Youkai.

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Or SK wanted to kill scum, missed.

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Then he could have been shot because he was really town?

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?

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I might just be tired and cranky, but your reads seriously disappoint me and I'm probably going to go to sleep and leave you in the position to be quick hammered.

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I have trouble believing that town-you would find herself in LyLo with fully formed reads that look like this.

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Like, I absolutely refuse to believe it.

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Scum wouldn't know if Varsoon was town or SK.

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All of your reactions warning me off my vote are delayed and i really have no reason why

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Someone killed pie instead of sakura.

Because they weren't afraid of Sakura's investigation.
If scum, it's because Varsoon was non-scum or a godfather.
If SK, it's because Varsoon wasn't them or Varsoon had immunity.

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I can imagine scum being afraid of protection if they don't have a strongman kill.

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Or maybe scum killed Bitmap and SK didn't give a shit about one innocent?

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No.

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I'm mostly for ing reads individually, in case you hadn't noticed.

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I tried to do so with Muffin but us trying to read each other is a pretty atrocious sight so immediately gave that up.

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I also didn't read the circumstances of your vote manipulation on account of taking a break catching up.
What happened there?

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Victor isn't a bet the farm town read, which should be clear from my posting.

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Well, my recent posting.

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Why don't you move Magua's vote? How long does this last?

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It would be townier if you didn't have weird conditions you needed to activate it with.

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(((fiery)))

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I don't care if autocorrect can't spell your name, it can spill my heart.

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Or scum in LyLo, you mean?

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And town in Lylo too sure but

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Wait, why didn't you keep it a secret?

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But then I wouldn't have claimed miller, since I'd really want to be alive in lylo.

Do you think claimed millers actually get policy lynched before LyLo?

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keep what a secret? I was keeping it secret, but was getting accused of being too secretive.

Your ability? I wouldn't mention it, begin to mention it, hint at it until LyLo.

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But then I wouldn't have claimed miller, since I'd really want to be alive in lylo.

Do you think claimed millers actually get policy lynched before LyLo?

If there weren't an SK, seems like something that's reasonable to do.

(it never happens, ever)

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It's relevant, because if I were actually scum, I would have carefully used it to prevent the possibility of my being lynched (by sticking a vote to victor).

Why did you claim it now?

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It's relevant, because if I were actually scum, I would have carefully used it to prevent the possibility of my being lynched (by sticking a vote to victor).

Wouldn't that just make you obviously scum?

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Nacho/Kagami/fiery/vezok

Hmmm.

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Ffery, what do you think about this?

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It seems insane to claim it at this point in the game as scum?

It does.

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Unvote

You win today, Kagami.

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Nacho/Kagami/fiery/vezok

Hmmm.

Fairy: Does this make sense?

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I've only got my spellcards and our neighborhood exchanges to inform this,
But if he's scum, then my cards are negative town utility.

Explain this fully.

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Muffin, I'll think over your response when I'm not hungover.

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Nacho/Kagami/fiery/vezok

Hmmm.

Fairy: Does this make sense?

Does kagami make no sense as SK?

She makes a little sense as SK, but claiming when she's pretty much in no danger at all doesn't really make sense.
Does it?

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Surprise LyLo also seems dickish.
Unless there's the "can't be used in LyLo" caveat, but.

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If Varsoon can actually confirm Victor as town, it would be smart of him to do so.

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If Varsoon is reading too much into abilities and being a derp, it's something that seems sort of important to nip that in the bud.

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My ability wouldn't work without Victor, and only has town utility if Victor is town

This is interesting.

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not today

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Hi kids! Just saw site was back up but no time yet

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Perfect! 2 hours is just the right amount of time to get absolutely nothing done

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I think we sort of have to do it at this point?

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I mean, I don't want to vote Kagami.
I could vote Victor? But that seems like a very settle-y lynch and what I was hoping was a lynch that would be more likely to kill scum than an SK/scum guided kill would be.

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i was thinking about this a little during the week of downtime and i think this more than anything points strongly to one scum in {varsoon, victor}.

I can agree with this.
And I think the way Varsoon's ability-ness unleashed itself was pretty fucking town, to be completely honest.

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I wouldn't expect Varsoon to have an incredible follow through when his magical reaction test didn't do anything magical.

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I'm also pretty ready to vote Victor. Are you ready to vote Victor?

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I mean, whatever way I look at it, I don't think Victor is going to end up in my townreads.

I think there's a better case for you being town.
I think there's a better case for Varsoon being town.
I think there's a better case for Muffin being town.
I think there's a better case for Kagami being town.
I think there's a better case for Magua being town (not a great one, but still a better one).

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Is there going to be a way for him to end up in your townreads?

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Like, realistically?

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this computer is so fast i love it

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because of his "scum is more likely to vote town" thing?

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i think case for magua being town would be ballsiness of doing the vote freeze 1v1 so early in the day

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No, just his long-term town read apparently based on their neighborhood convos.

don't really care 'bout that at lylo

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rephrase?

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true, but it's still the towniest thing he's done all game

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as scum, i worry about it not being a bus and instead constraining options between not the scummiest of scum and a very mislynchable town

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but then i read the beginning of victor's iso and am the complete opposite of impressed

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and in the end, that's why i am going to vote him now

Vote: Victor

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p-edit unpack that? I'm not following.

magua comes into the game, knows he's dealing with a mostly blank slate
he limits options to him/victor because he sees victor is a pretty scummy townie and is generally pretty sure he can get him lynched

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this prevents town from catching more obvious scumbuddies elsewhere, although i'm not sure who more obvious scumbuddies would be

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but then i read the beginning of victor's iso and am the complete opposite of impressed

i found a lot of shitty attacks on ns, actually

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ok. But you're discounting that as the likely scenario?

p-edit that being magua setting up a 1v1 with the scummiest looking town?

i'm discounting it because of magua's behavior after the vote and it doesn't really make sense for magua to bring himself into the spotlight to mislynch victor could have been mislynched pretty easily without that move

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and also i can't see victor ever making it into the unshakeable two townreads

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wooooo