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Yeah, I did see you were quite a popular guy, leading me to look into your posts for a bit.In post 167, Wickedestjr wrote:I'm glad you read enough to at least make that determination.
Vote: MTD
What have you missed if not the posts of the most popular vote choice?
I probably missed quite many other interesting things, though.still the same old MTD-
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It looks to me like you are being overly defensive and overexplaining things. Also, gut.In post 174, Wickedestjr wrote:Ok, then why do you think I look really bad?
Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-still the same old MTD-
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Well, while being pedantic might be a problem I have. i don't find it here.In post 184, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:The entirety of it? Its ridiculously nitpicky and pedantic. Its not from the mindset of someone trying to solve the game, its from the mindset of someone trying to be right
I was trying to make clear what I said because it means something heavily different from what he said.still the same old MTD-
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Was talking about the second one and this (though technically not a question):In post 188, Wickedestjr wrote:First question isn't wifom. Second is an attempt to see if gg really believes what he's saying.
And to some extend this:In post 157, Wickedestjr wrote:Not sure why I, as hypothetical scum, would want to sheep the vote that had no reasoning behind it.
Just something I noticed.In post 149, Wickedestjr wrote:Why would I vote Lying Cat if I didn't suspect them?still the same old MTD-
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1. You are right, they aren't definitive scumtells, yet they do add up to a picture of you being scum.In post 268, Wickedestjr wrote:+1000 scum points.
1. Over defensiveness and over explaining things are not scum tells. Never were, aren't now, never will be.
2. You claim that you skimmed just enough of the thread to suspect me, the most popular choice, AND your reasoning is entirely unique. That is too coincidental for my liking. I think you wanted to join the bandwagon but provided new reasoning to avoid opportunism accusations. I do not believe that you came to the same conclusion as everyone else but for entirely different reasons.
3. You devoted three posts to explaining how you said I 'really am bad' rather than 'am really bad'. My desire for self defense is no different from your effort re: 179, 182, 186.
2. I never claim that my reasoning is unique, neither did I claim that I read "just enough" for that, but srsly, the way you put it it makes perfect sense to me (?)
3. Uhm, what? I was just trying to make clear what I said in case you had misread (which I assumed, else it would be an intentional misrep), that doesn't fall under defensive in my book, I keep explaining it because GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.
/catching upstill the same old MTD-
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Uhm make that caught up (from page 7 that is, didn't bother reading the stuff before that), thought there was more left.
Well, you saying this gives one motivation, that's what WIFOM does. You are using the argument "I wouldn't do this as scum", which just doesn't work.In post 268, Wickedestjr wrote:@MTD, wifom does not apply to either of those cases. There's no motive for me, as scum (or even as town), to do either of those things.
@mastin: So do I get it right that you townread vezok for (seemingly jokingly) disliking a ZZZX postbecause of posting styleand then say that ZZZX is town for townreading Doduo,which he is basically the content of the post vezok didn't like?
That's pretty weak.
@vezok: I second Titus' opinion that your unvote made little sense, why unvote when you say that you still scumread wicked?
Since PN says they think like vezok they may answer this question as well.still the same old MTD-
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To make this more clear: It would make sense to me if he just had unvoted, like needing more time to think about things, but why vote mastinIn post 287, MTD wrote:@vezok: I second Titus' opinion that your unvote made little sense, why unvote when you say that you still scumread wicked?
Since PN says they think like vezok they may answer this question as well.andsay in the same post that wicked is scum?still the same old MTD-
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Yes I have, I would rather have exerted pressure on wicked, though since I tend to not be dead sure about my scumreads, but fair enough I guess.In post 293, vezokpiraka wrote:@mtd: my vote is in the place it should be. Have you heard of pressure? Wicked is already scum. No need to keep my vote there when we pursue other leads.still the same old MTD-
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In post 299, ZZZX wrote:Can you explain your wicked scum _ reason?
I know that is not great reasoning, but he does feel scum to me.In post 179, MTD wrote:It looks to me like you are being overly defensive and overexplaining things. Also, gut.still the same old MTD-
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I was surprised I actually do understand stuff lolIn post 334, Speedy Saki wrote:actually i wonder how many of you others dont understand your role pm either because #highschoolchemistry or #badatchem
how many others dont understand the flavor that comes with the vote counts lol
@ZZZX: Before you ask, you will get your examples, I am just to lazy to look them up right now.still the same old MTD-
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So... from what I can tell from 2 games with mastin (1 where she was town 1 she was scum), this feels like neither really...
In the scumgame she was just not posting much from time to time but never half-assed stuff like this.
And can you please stop posting at marathon-speed?still the same old MTD-
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Sooo, still a scumread?In post 418, ZZZX wrote:
Well...In post 417, Speedy Saki wrote:In post 416, ZZZX wrote:yelled at for a million times by now.
i am not that bad
Still horrible enough to give me that kind of memory.
Y'know what have your examples: I mostly didn't like Wicked's posts #149 and #157, they felt way too defensive (and idk, maybe serious?) for the given circumstances. #142 to a lesser extent.
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How do you...In post 419, Titus wrote:Ok Bert are you trying to have me vote for you? I loved Masyin's entrance and the only think cops do organically is evil.still the same old MTD-
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I can't really comprehend how you can
lovemastin's play so far.
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No idea what you are getting at.In post 434, Titus wrote:MTD, when I look in the mirror, except for Majiffy and V, I am generally getting the same thing back.still the same old MTD-
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Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.In post 438, Titus wrote:MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.still the same old MTD-
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Lol, what are you even talking about?In post 480, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:
You are kidding me right? Mastin is half-assing reads...therefore anyone who agrees with her reads is wrong? That is wrong on so many levels and screams of scum looking for some way to discredit Titus.In post 440, MTD wrote:
Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.In post 438, Titus wrote:MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.
I never said Titus' reads are wrong, I just said that it concerns me that having the same reads mastin called half-assed and bad makes Titus think she is town.
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Heh.In post 506, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:The biggest problem I'm having with MTD at the moment is that he is responding from gut whereas his other (town) games are analysis heavy. Definitely could be scum here.
This is a point I can understand.
a) Did you look at my scumgames so far? Afaict they were generally quite analysis-heavy as well.
b) Biggest reason for this is me learning. Seeing that my "analytical" reads were often wrong and I should often rather have followed my gut, I am trying that, at least until the amount of players in the game is such that Icanform senseful reads in an analytical waystill the same old MTD-
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Wat?In post 520, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.
you'resayingall your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.
What are you trying to say?still the same old MTD-
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Uhm, no?In post 524, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:
you think i am scumreading you because i think you are playing from gut. the point was not that i think you are playing from gut; i see that you are saying you are playing from gut (i.e. i don't believe you actually are) because even if you were reading people from gut you'd be analyzing the wagons and the direction other people are going in (like we are, like others are) but you aren't. the fact that this is an inherent quality of your town game means it should be present at least partially, especially if you say that this is something new you are trying, but its completely absent, so really the only answer is that you are lying.In post 522, MTD wrote:
Wat?In post 520, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.
you'resayingall your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.
What are you trying to say?
Like, in my posts, what do you find?
I scumread wicked, partially for gut reasons.
I asked you for a case.
I questioned mastin's reads, I questioned vezok's unvote.
I talked about mastin-meta.
I townread ZZZX and SS.
I questioned Titus' townreading mastin.
The rest is followup to these I think.
So really, I see quite some "analyzing directions others are going in".
Not that much "analyzing wagons" since I usually do that with wagons that I don't like the speed of, which wasn't the case here yet.still the same old MTD-
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-.-In post 528, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:empty questioning != analysis.
plus i agree with all of AP's reads which we arrived at independently so most of them are probably right
I agree with some of them as well and guess what, I got to them independently as well o.o doesn't mean they are right though.still the same old MTD-
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1.God, please do read next time, I did not say they are null tells, i said they are notIn post 526, Wickedestjr wrote:
1. Two null tells don't add up to a scum picture, 0 + 0 = 0MTD wrote:1. You are right, they aren't definitive scumtells, yet they do add up to a picture of you being scum.
2. I never claim that my reasoning is unique, neither did I claim that I read "just enough" for that, but srsly, the way you put it it makes perfect sense to me (?)
3. Uhm, what? I was just trying to make clear what I said in case you had misread (which I assumed, else it would be an intentional misrep), that doesn't fall under defensive in my book, I keep explaining it because GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.
2.Iam the one claiming your reasoning is unique. And you can't argue with that - your only reasons were 'over defensiveness' and 'over explanation' both of which are things that nobody else had/has accused me of in this game. I still think this is an attempt to avoid opportunism accusations.
3. You answered your question in your own post. GG was attacking you. You tried to clarify what you had said because he was attacking you. I see a self-defense motive there. And not one very different from mine.definitivescummtells. They are things that make me lean scum.
2. Ok, I had not much of an idea what the others' reasoning was at that point but w/e
3. Lol, still very different. I got attackedfortrying to clarify something, then proceed to clarify because I assume the attacker didn't understand. You got attacked for multiple things.
All in all, yeah, you might be nulltown.
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Right about the first one.
I used the "I wouldn't do this as scum" argument, yes, but I also used the "I wouldn't do this as town" argument (in parentheses). There wasn't motivation for me, as either alignment, to commit the two actions in question.MTD wrote:Well, you saying this gives one motivation, that's what WIFOM does. You are using the argument "I wouldn't do this as scum", which just doesn't work.
Second one, yes there would be scum motivation, obviously (howwouldyou even suspct them before voting?).
But ok, thanks.
I like GG as town.
mastin not so much, her posting didn't get any better, just more...
VOTE: mastin
I also don't like vezok's hop onto my wagon.still the same old MTD-
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I don't see why I would vote for any of vezok or you rather than the other one when I think one of you is probably scum but not both (?)In post 531, mastin2 wrote:Any one of these three wouldn't be a problem. Any combo of two (or all three) creates problems. Vezok hopped onto MTD's wagon--fine to dislike, except Vezok's previous vote was on me, who MTD just voted rather than voting for Vezok. He votes the person Vezok is also scumreading strongly.
My posting doesn't get any better--not true, but fine. It also hasn't gotten worse, just more of it as MTD said. That'd be fine if MTD had a marked scumread of me, OR if MTD left the comment at just that. But MTD's previous thoughts on me were, "This isn't like either of Mastin's games I've played with her, but it's especially not like her scumgame", last I checked. Meaning that if my posting was weird-but-maybe-town and hadn't changed, MTD's position also wouldn't have changed.
Nah, your half-assing in specific was "not explainable from meta", I didn't specifically talk about your towngame because the scumgame was closer to this (in the towngame you were invested and constructive). So, no. Also my position would have changed, it has. You posting bad in the beginning and then calling your own reads bad and half-assedmightbe ok, then continuing to play like that isn't.still the same old MTD-
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Dammit, Wicked, I was expecting to get speedlynched now, you can't just break the chain...
Uhm, what?In post 544, Wickedestjr wrote:The question was actually: "Why would I vote Lying Cat if I didn't suspect them?" There's no scum motive that I can see - I honestly have no idea why scum would vote somebody that they don't suspect. But Vezok said that he doesn't believe Lying Cat was my top suspect even though I voted him and expressed suspicion of nobody else. Vezok's thought process doesn't make sense to me.
Howcanscum even "suspect" anyone when they know who is scum? Or do you mean pretend to suspect?still the same old MTD-
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It didn't really advance my scumhunting, but it was never supposed to either. It was originally an observation about Wicked's play (which I never thought to be alignment indicative), which he then explained and now all questions regarding that are clear to me.In post 571, Speedy Saki wrote:What exactly did that clarification achieve?
Seems to me like scummy fluff
I think that my gut read on MTD is not relaxing
Why?Speedy Saki wrote:That is a bad signstill the same old MTD-
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Ah you meant bad for me, not for you.In post 576, Speedy Saki wrote:if my undescribable (gut) scumread on you doesnt dissipate that means you are scum. lolstill the same old MTD-
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lol.In post 625, mastin2 wrote:This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.still the same old MTD-
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lol again.In post 639, mastin2 wrote:
Loling is also not exactly a town response to an accusation.In post 637, MTD wrote:
lol.In post 625, mastin2 wrote:This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.
Go reference league some other time!
Sorry but there is a type of accusation that is so forced that I just can't take it seriously.still the same old MTD-
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Let's stop calling him beast.In post 810, beastcharizard wrote:They don't call me Beast for nothing.
Sorry, I am still not read up, but I think I like Doduo as town.
mastin is still scum.still the same old MTD-
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hum.
So I am pretty much read up I guess, I don't remember any questions directed at me, so if there were any can you ask them again pls? thxalot.
I am not really opposed to a LC wagon, and since that seems to be a thing right now
Majiffymightactually be scum for buddying me early on when there wasn't much resourceful stuff from me.
If so, mastin would be town.
Icansee this as town mastin by now, the reads are thought through, she is hunting off the forming of the wagons which seems quite typical.
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Wicked is town, though.
I am unsure why she suddenly prefers a LC-lynch to me, though.
It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.
I am not really liking Titus, though that's more early than recent game, the more recent posts were decent.still the same old MTD-
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Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.In post 892, MTD wrote:It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.still the same old MTD-
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In post 895, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:
Oh sorry, you already used that lifeline. You can phone a friend or use your 50-50In post 892, MTD wrote:It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.
Open up your eyes
You must be blind
If you can't see
The gaping hole
Called reality
(Wanna do it again. I gonna gonna do it again. I wanna do it again. Come on.)MTD wrote:
Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.In post 892, MTD wrote:It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.still the same old MTD-
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Ok, I agree with mollie, mastin/jiffy on the last pages looks town/town. It's terrible BS in large parts but it still looks town/town.
And yeah LC's timing for returning was great, especially since it was about the first time they were not in the largest focus of scumhunting in the last few pages.
Majiffy, you are not getting a mastin lynch today, so can you please leave that be and focus on finding scum (or other scum if you insist) ?still the same old MTD-
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Not happening at least till tomorrow, so can you just tell me what you mean?In post 1018, Titus wrote:Read House Party and then give me that line again.still the same old MTD-
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Please tell me this is not about readlists.In post 1076, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:MTD is town. AP probably doesn't agree with me here. Buuuut I reviewed his ISOs in his last 5 or so completed games. 2 of them were scum games and the other 3 were town. I'm not going to reveal the tell because I'd like to continue using it in future games. As much as I want to scum read him for my gut, the difference is too distinct to ignore.still the same old MTD-
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-.- I fear I will actually have to read through GGs posts.
In post 1144, pirate mollie wrote:
town. why the fuck would anybody highlight a scumtell that they know that they have.In post 1125, MTD wrote:It's just that I noticed that up to now I only did readlists in my scumgames and therefore I always fear people will use it as a tell when really it's mostly because I had more time at certain points in those games.beacauseI know it could be seen like that. You see, I would do that even if I was scum, because a)it's (IMO) not really a tell and b)you might notice I haven't done any readlists in this game.still the same old MTD-
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...what does that have to do with being mason or not?
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Aye.In post 1290, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Can you give an update on your reads before you disappear?????
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I think there is scum in {BPC,BC,LC,Titus}, one of Jiffy/mastinmaybe scum, although I still lean towards town/town there.
Other townreads are PN, vezok, GG, mollie.
Also Wicked probtown, though that's not strong since there was little from there recently.
I liked PVs posts.still the same old MTD-
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Doduo pretty null, that's why I didn't list them.
SS and ZZZX slightly town for their exchange with each other, but for not much else.
Like, for at least Doduo and ZZZX there were people saying "Woah they so obvscum" which I just couldn't agree with, but they didn't look extraordinarily town either.still the same old MTD-
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Uhm, yeah I am around, have probably read anything and my head is empty.
LC's attack on Wicked without checking the facts was dumb and makes the impression it's for the sake of justify their continued vote on Wicked, which they btw never gave a case for
before 1575.
I mean he even went through the thread/ISO to get those links, and failed to notice the vote-change,which he should have been looking for?
Also a wagon there is not happening, so why vote wicked over mastin?still the same old MTD-
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Uh, ok? Why not me?In post 1703, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Attention Townies
This is not something I would do if there was much doubt in my mind. This is not something I do lightly ever. This is something I will feel terrible about if wrong. HOWEVER. Mastin is scum. I just spent a couple hours rereading and I am certain of it. Mastin is scum. MTD is scum. Mollie is probably scum. Wicked is likely scum.
UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Mastin
Im not extremely interested in either of the leading wagons. I could lynch WickedDest if we aren't lynching mastin, but I really want to lynch mastin.
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MTD Mafia Scum
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MTD Mafia Scum
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