Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

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[Guilty Gunsmith]

Thank you whoever gave us that 1-shot Day cop ability. Naturally we used it on PeregrineV and PeregrineV is

Mafia

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I'll let you guys have your petty RVS, but I fully expect him to be lynched by P5 at the latest.

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Also lets have a flavor claim of whether or not we are organic or inorganic.

Snork and I will start. We're organic!! Popcorn mastin!

[Guilty Gunsmith]

can some1 give me the tldr version of wat this game is about cos I am already confused.

I am tired of being confused in gamz.

Hey Mollie lets not get caught up in reading each other over how many reach

arounds

outs we're willing to give each other, 'k? Cause that seems to be working poorly for us in general. I already don't know how I feel about this little ? of yours. I mean there isnt anything to get. There are 4 inventor's and a backup inventor (of ??? alignment). There might be other PRs.

All neighborize actions are to be POLICY LYNCHED upon claim. Please see Baby Seal Mafia for reference.

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

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No I dont have a cop guilty on Perv : (. I just wanted to say "lets lynch P5 by P5 at the latest"

you are making me uncomfortable

it's a mating call. hide AP.

There are town ways to go about RVS. Bluntly?, this. is. not. town. This is scum. I want to see the town motivation in Sthar8's posts, I really really do. If they were town, we could be in-thread mason buddies and strike fear into the hearts of all the inorganic compounds together. But they aren't. I wish they were, but no matter how hard I try. No matter how many times I reread their posts....they aren't town. They are just scum, plain and simple.

Also doduo, looks pretty town.

VOTE: Lying Cat

-mastin2

[Guilty Gunsmith]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

Errrr reverse that.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

Errrr reverse that.

~Noted. This is the same type of metal mistake I make as scum.

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith

Do you want to drink with me? I got plenty of alcohol. Or are you content being scum?

Majiffy, stop policy lynching and help me lynch scum. I think Doduo has a post restriction.

Titus, do you ever role town? Ever? Chainsaw'ing LC already I see.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Doduo doesn't have a post restriction and Im shocked that Majiffy even remotely entertained that they do.

I expect better from you.

Titus ....is just scum this game so its cool, I'll let her keep doing her thing.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Drunk guy who can only squawk or quack totally fits flavor as alcohol is an organic compand... at least according to my role PM.

Yes Im totally sure that Marquis going about his general schtick of posting the words squack and quack over and over in this game has special relevance to this game despite it just being his thing.

try again?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ap you are making me nervous.

-sigh-

Ok, what about me is making you nervous?

I've already dropped like a million towntells.

-A statement that may or may not be role/game related about Neighborizers being policy lynch material.
-Trying to cut through the bullshit that is Msrquis's posting so we dont get sidetracked by it like titus is making an effort to do. Although wow apparently they ARE using Ascii encoding for posts which makes me and if they are faking it, there will be blood. Seriously though, Im not buying that they have a PR.
-Correctly voting for scum Lying Cat over there poor attempts to blend into the town.
-This post.
-Faking a guilty on PV for the trollz.
-Reaching out to you.

What more could you want from me??

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oh D, before I forget... the so called daycop has placed his vote elsewhere. You may ignore the daycop. In fact you should FMPOV.

I already said it was fake in the post you used as a reason to vote for me.

Glad to know you are actually reading my posts that you find scummy.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ergot post. Wait for me AP. We have to lynch sthar remenber.

Bro, I'm already way ahead of you.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

@mollie, Book of Shadows. Desp and I wound up bussing you day 1. Mastin replaced my slot later that game, so I know he's pretty familiar with my scumgame and should be able to come up with more than ooh you're defending my townread. He's flailing.

MASTIN ISNT IN THIS HYDRA, THAT WAS A HILARIOUS JOKE. MASTIN IS ON THIS PLAYERLIST.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

You had a scumtell. Thinking there were 4 town in the game.

Right. you are right. I scumslipped about thinking there are 4 town in the game.Actually there ARE 13 scum in the game like I posted and the game is already over. We are just having fun messing around before we all just quicklynch you.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Why do you like the D so much, titus? they haven't even pretended to have an interest in finding scum at all this game. Or spoilering their shit so we dont have to read it.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

AP are we being serious now?

Serious about what? I always forget that some people are incapable of distinguishing hilarious jokez from serious posts.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Day 1 PRs who figure out how to ask legitimate questions are usually town. Scum faking a binary restriction likely would have just used 01010101010 or something like that.

Also, D has tried to find scum. Look at the translation. He wanted to know whether or not to take your daycop seriously. That indicates a townish mindset.

I really don't find any of this to be extremely compelling. Or compelling at all.

Asking questions is not a towntell. Having a speech impediment doesn't really make asking questions town.
Questioning my obviously fake post 1 guilty claim on PV sans vote doesn't make them town.

The bit about what would scum fake...Ok? So do you honeslty believe Antihero sent them a PM...that says "you must only posts these 2 words: squack and quack, have fun!!". Cause I mean...uh? I just dont see that being the case. I just dont. And the odds of the one person likely to post those words gets THAT role? I mean, what? IDGI. I dont know what is going on with their posts. I dont want to know. I dont think that they clearly are not scum-faking it because of the nature of the quacks.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

This is scum right here.
Come help me lynch scum for the glory of organic materials.

unvote
vote wicked

That was my gut reaction as well. I dont have anything to really qualify that with, but I will throw some townpoints at you for feeling similarly to me.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Lying Cat / Wicked team?

Maybe Titus actually is town.

Jury is still out on Majiffy. I expect him to wow me. This doduo policy lynch is certainly not doing that.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

FTR my current read on Doduo is town and faking their SI.

Initial townheap?: titus, Vezok, Perpetual, doduo

[Guilty Gunsmith]

so much shit. so many posts and pages and pages of shit. i hate all of you so much.

snork agrees with majiffy. the dumbirds need to fucking go.

AP quote me prty pls i'm lazy

Can someone explain to me why we're not policy lynching the fuck out of Doduo?

Can someone explain to me why we're not policy lynching the fuck out of Doduo?

Cause most people here don't want to policy lynch?

Then most people here are retarded.

I hate posts like that.

like literally HATE them.

I make posts like that all of the time and am continuously disappointed with myself when I make them. it makes the whole game a drag.

you are not a newb. at least I am guessing you are not.

eta: wat did wicked post I didn't even read it lol

that was at me? i had to be up at 5 for a stupid work thing. i quoted it myself!

but yah i am not the one dragging the game. i dont like people trolling when i'm trying to get real reads. it's not fun.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i am newbie.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Hate posts like what?

either my out of hydra posts or my quote-only posts. both are legitimate targets for hate.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

STHARRRR WHERE ARE YOU

why aren't we voting sthar? who decided they were town?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith.
I am so, so sorry that you drew a scum role PM, AP.

I could say the same of you

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Also I counterclaim Masons with Majiffy. Majiffy is a Gunsmith-Mason and will be investigating you tonight.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mollie, I will mail you a burger if you help me lynch the scum-Cat Today.

MTD/Wicked are probably scum theatering right now, but Snork and I have a personal vendetta against the Cat (who actually did roll scum) so if we could lynch them before doduo causes any more distractions with their attempt to not get night-killed, that'd be fantastic!

[Guilty Gunsmith]

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith.
I am so, so sorry that you drew a scum role PM, AP.

Claim: Masons with Majiffy

, who is a bodyguard-mason, and will be protecting me each night most likely. Just thought I'd let you know.

^scum claim. we are pretty obvtown and rightly so. but even if we weren't, where is the attempt to even

try

to figure us out?



I will leave reading you to AP, since he can read you better, but this is the worst post from you I have ever seen. And I think you're scum.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-

OK, who will vig this tonight if I gift you a Vig-shot? Taking applications ASAP. Cat is still the lynch today.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I will leave reading you to AP, since he can read you better, but this is the worst post from you I have ever seen. And I think you're scum.

Mastin is probably town. Not definitely town, but shes hitting the right notes so far. Her post was a copy/paste of me from an old game that shall not be named. So shes a townread right now. Not STRONG town, but a town read.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Any chance of a case on cat?

And what do you find bad about that sentence?

Eventually.

The entirety of it? Its ridiculously nitpicky and pedantic. Its not from the mindset of someone trying to solve the game, its from the mindset of someone trying to be

right

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Gg, can you answer my questions regarding marquis? And how likely is it that I would bus both times?

AFAIK, he has never faked a SI like this before. In my only other game with Marquis he used the words 'quack' and 'squawk' at intervals though as a reference to their avatar/account. So I find it virtually impossible that they are post restricted to using those words. I also just doubt because of mod-meta that there is such a crippling SI in the game. Hence I think they are faking. They are probably a town Doctor or something trying to not get night killed.

Oops did I just say that in thread? Come on scum, kill them plz.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

You're well past like 90% of newbie problems.

i still lose to your dumbbutt even after catching you on D1. #newbieproblems

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

/badreads.

Seriously.... you felt the need to do this?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Seriously.... you felt the need to do this?

Yep! The only reason I even labeled them as badreads is because I did the math and found I had at most, like, 3 viable scum names when there's gonna be four meaning I townread too many people too quickly.

This feels a lot like the waffley mastin from NY 172. Just saying.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I think I had a

Spoiler: change of heart

about Lying Cat. Mayyyybe leaning town on them right now, but they get EXTRA amounts of squinty eyes from me for the time being. I still think MTD and WickedDestJr probably are though, really want to vote MTD. I'll consult Snork.

Mastin's entry is a little worrisome. It doesn't scream town to me. In fact her stance on me is pretty meh. I'd wagon mastin right now but not feel amazing about it. Just kidding, I probably would.
Random thoughts:
-Agree about ZZZX being a little weird. I disagree that him calling Doduo town looks town at all.
-Dislike her not liking my opening posts (OMGUS!!). I dunno, I felt like my posting there was pretty uninhibited and mastin of all people should see it as town if not just AP being AP.
-Come on, give reasons for the Majiffy vote. I dont see anything particularly egregious from Majiffy so far.
-I dunno, I'd wagon her right now anyhow just to see if she panics and actually starts looking town. I think shes slightly more likely than average to be scum right now based on this catchup series.

Majiffy/Mollie are tentative townreads for me at this moment but I dont feel amazing about either read.

Im sorry Snork, I think I lost my passion for a Scum Cat lynch, as much as I hate to say it.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Gun to head, town?

Lynch all gunsmith crumbs.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Can someone/anyone explain this neighborizer and whatever the other thing was bit that everyone was talking about and then stopped talking about and never answered my question regarding?

I am policy lynching anyone who claims to have neighborized anyone else. End of discussion.

100% serious.

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@Mastin: Cute. I already said that I found Majiffy's Doduo push to be "meh" and that I expected more. The Doduo push doesnt make Majiffy scum though. ITs fairly null and Majiffy's air feels different than L4D to me so far. I dont see why Majiffy is a good vote.

Also Snork and I both think you are scum, so ha!

[Guilty Gunsmith]

My top scumreads right now are mastin2, WickedDestJr, ZZZX, MTD in roughly that order of increasing lynchburnfire-ness.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yeah but I just don't get it and you're not the only one to bring up a position like this.

Do you solemnly swear that you are town? I can show you the world.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mastin, are you having IRL things affecting this game? You know what I mean. Cause thats the only way I can see your whole meh-attitude being from town right now.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Awesome! Ten pages!

Has rioting erupted? Have you all resorted to cannibalism yet?

I can't wait to read...

We lynched on page 3 dude.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Actually, changed my mind.
Had a thought while driving that AP/Snork was town.
Frustratingly, have not a dang clue

what

that thought was, but had it all the same, so
VOTE: Majiffy.

SCUUUUUMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

You're posts are so EMPTY!!!! There is no feels! Your read on us was so wishy washy! Your SC lynch in House Party had more heart! wtf is this surface level nonsense??

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Why do all your posts sound like you don't even believe what you're writing?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I hope you don't expect me to actually take your self meta and apply it...

Also also this is the same "I'm admitting I'm being lazy so it's ok and you shouldn't lynch me" kind of attitude from NY 172. Where you were scum. So...

p-edit: stuff and things.

don't you have a hydra you are supposed to be posting in?

I say this with irony

sorrysorry the site is really acting up! i keep getting 504 errors and everything looks all wonky. i can't tell which account i'm posting from cuz no skin

i'm going to bed and hope it's fixed tomorrow. too frustrating.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Majiffy it feels weird being 25, please advise

[Guilty Gunsmith]

This game is pretty much at 70% capacity for my tolerance of spam on D1 so I may start just voting people until good things happen.

Can we lynch MTD?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

well-hung fruit

I may be a fruit, but Im not THAT well hung....

[Guilty Gunsmith]

mastin's townbloc: speedy saki, mastin, zzzx, vezok, perp. nonsense

Because it is my birthday, I am exercising my townblok-veto power to veto ZZZX's placement in this block. Sorry mastin, but I don't feel comfortable with it and if Im subjecting myself to people doing this townblock crap again, Im going to have some say in it because its going to be more air tight than a can of fresh tennis balls.

Bow MS are you town this game? I really love town - ms.

Scum hunter so gud

Stop right there criminal scum. I wont let you buddy up to MS on my watch.

/12. more later.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Buddying? We just had a big fight. seems you didnt read last few pages.

Also why do you think I am scum?

Correct Im only on Page 12, hecne the /12 comment - I dislike the way you approached this defense though. Its more of a smear, less of a defense. If only Nero Cain were in this game, we could wagon you on this post alone. I dont have a great reason for scumreading you. Its certainly not a strong scumread. Its mostly that I feel like you are just along for the ride, not really doing anything that shows unique tonw-motivation.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

SS that was really really bad...

IDK, I found it pretty null, leaning slightly town.

this cant be town sonic

Really, not at all?

We have completed N games together

Oh which one? I like N's setups.

@MAjiffy

Why is mastin a townread?

oh I misread, apparently shes scummy to you. I have her firmly in my null-town pile right now. I dont think her attitude overhaul is alignment indicative at all, but it could be from scum.
/14

Titus are you scum or just hilariously wrong about your read on me?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Its her trajectory. Shes playing a "gotcha" game so when she flips scum town cant read for associatives.

Errr. If you are town can I ask you to roll your computer chair back a few meters and read mastin's posts again? I'll give you that Snork and I both jumped her immediately for her "meh Im not really trying" routine and some of her posting DID feel like L4D, but I have strong reservations about just calling mastin scum right now. So why are you gung-ho about it? That said, she is officially in the "oh god if shes actually scum Im going to hate myself" category atm.

do you feel anal majiffy cause zzzx is gonna analize you

i find this ridiculously funny sorry

Me too but Im a bad person

Like I wouldnt be surprised if this whole ploy was entirely for her amusement

Its not though. ITs not a ploy. nothing mastin has done is a ploy this day. Nor a ruse, nor a trick, nor a whimsy. She is being genuine about her feelings. That doesn't make her town, but reread her with this in mind? I guarantee that Im right.

Despite me being totally transparent, no one reads me well.

Its probably because you call me scum for random things. Actually now that I think about it, if your case on me makes an iota of sense you are probably scum. /15

[Guilty Gunsmith]

is there anyone else that can read mastin that you recognise here?

The entire MS player base (minus me) sacrificed their ability to read mastin after Anything Goes. And also House Party. Majiffy is one of the few people who won't misread mastin aggressively for shit reasons. Which I suspect he is doing now, please stand by for further developments.

Jiffy you're usually very very vocal which I like, but here you're almost completely reactionary without initiative

I disagree? Like a lot?

How did you miss GS's slip

Titus, if you are town, we have a lot to discuss post-game. Like about how the things you think are scumtells end up landing on town 100% of the time. I was doubting my townread on you on the drive to work and TBH I think that is purely out of OMGUS for you calling me scum over such a shitty slip-case. Lets be honest. Im going to flip town. You better write me a 200 word essay about what went wrong and how you are going to improve your scumhunting when I do. Oh right. Also you are probs town for the softclaim, although not necessarily. We get it, you are a backup inventor. Holy crap. yes Im calling this out in the thread, stop being obvious about it.

So... I think that MS/ZZZX exchange is p town from both,
@ZZZX: Why do you think MS is scummy?

I want individual reasons for both of these. Lumping them together is not going to fly.

Sakitown

Agree!

/17

[Guilty Gunsmith]

For instance, GG with their slip.

The dumb thing about this case is how it looks at one picture in which Im scum, decides its plausible, and then disregards any other explanation for the post. Its pretty bad to assume that there is exactly one reason why I may have messed that up. Cause the truth of the matter is that have no idea how I messed that up. I was just typing and mislabeled town and scum. Which tells you exactly ??? about me? Oh right nothing. Im glad we are relying on stripping away all possible pictures to focus on one that suits how you want to feel about a post that looks out of place.

Hell, in a game I've accidentally claimed scum as town because I forgot a NOT or something in my sentence. Was I just slipping? NO. Could I have been? I guess? Point being, stop taking crappy shortcuts in reading me. Im pretty ridiculously town and I am definitely not letting myself getlynched ever this game so find a new pet read. I recommend MTD.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

You are kidding me right? Mastin is half-assing reads...therefore anyone who agrees with her reads is wrong? That is wrong on so many levels and screams of scum looking for some way to discredit Titus.

I think N means a number. Not thinking it is the "Mod"

I know, but N is a player on this site and I wanted to make a hilarious joke.

The ones it fucks up on tend to be people who speak awkwardly.

Lmao. I accidentally flipped two words in my sentence because I was typing fast and not making a well thought out point - just streaming knowledge for mollie. If anything you should b e town reading me for how uninhibited that post was (not really given the nature of the contents I guess, but ya). You are reading something into what is actually just nothing. I dont know what you think you are looking for, but you havent found it. Im still struggling with my internal debate over how much respect I have for you...cause I mean. I do have respect for you which is making me think you are just scum here.

Actually wait no. Titus is just scum. Im flippity flopping that read. Also I cant remember if I called LC town before, but I dont think they are town. Null at best.

Town: PN, Vezok, Majiffy, Speedy Saki

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: MTD

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I decided half way through the post that you are scummy. I don't care though mtds post is still scummy and can get voted. He's either distancing from you or the other. His post can diaf either way

What no. All the good mods let someone hydra slip on their birthday at least once.

Also Im on antibiotics and not allowed to drink alcohol for a week.

Well apparently I can try, but I will likely end up vomitting everywhere according to my BF who is a medical student.

All I want out of all the pity this post is gonna generate for me, is some votes on MTD. Preferably without being asked to make a case on him. Cause I really dont wanna, but hes scum. Can I just quote posts in his ISO and chant LOLSCUM and LYNCH THIS CLOWNFUCK instead?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Spoiler:

Any chance of a case on cat?

And what do you find bad about

that

sentence?

LOLSCUM.

Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

Also, Wicked, what are you trying to achieve with those WIFOM questions?

LOLSCUM.

GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

So... I think that MS/ZZZX exchange is p town from both,
@ZZZX: Why do you think MS is scummy?

LOLSCUM.

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Titus, MTD, ZZZX scumteam. Wickeddestjr might be scum but we can clear that up before we run out of obvious scum that need lynching.

I want my MTD lynch and I want it now.

Lying Cat might actually be town ugh ok.

Town: PN, Saki, Vezok, Doduo, majiffy
Par for the course: Lying Cat
Die scum die: MTD

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oops Im really bad at links.

Spoiler:

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ugh and I have a secret scum read atm. Not even a scumread, more like a paranoid-doublebackupgut read that I think could very well be scum. I'd out it, but it would only derail my obvious-scum lynch on MTD right now so I will not.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

well-hung fruit

I may be a fruit, but Im not THAT well hung....

Speak for yourself AP

ISO'd ZZZX on request. He's scum.

Sthar

this is nothing like his town play from what I remember. There's no scum hunting. He's not even trying.

The rest I don't know. I haven't been following because life sucks at the moment.

AP you have control of the vote until I get caught up on ISOs.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

who wants a quickie?

General ISO comments by player:

Spoiler: beastcharizard's ISO

11 pages? Really guys? Tell me what page to start reading at because of the first 2 are straight up garbage.

this could be scum maybe

Spoilered for lols

If only this game wasn't so bleh to read in the first place I could actually use that as a scumguage. BPC and BC are about as caught up as I am.

Doduo hasn't said jack shit worth reading. I'm really tempted to be a weeny and report every post for trolling. If you're not going to play the game, don't sign up. gawd
^would totally lynch and not even care one bit if they were town.

LC is town YAY and thank god. Scum sthar is so fking annoying.

I kind of wish Majiffy wasn't playing this game cuz I agree with everything he's said but I'd look like a mook repeating it. Seemed to be hung up on Doduo issue but the rest of the ISO looks good to me.

Still think mastin is scum. I hate the empty reads so much and the "I'm being lazy" as if playing like shit is a reason not to lynch her. I'm feeling the same disappointed I was in the large. I keep bringing it up because it's true. There are serious correlations and I can't drop it.

The biggest problem I'm having with MTD at the moment is that he is responding from gut whereas his other (town) games are analysis heavy. Definitely could be scum here.

PV is totally null. :/ In NY 172, I was concerned about the slot because there wasn't much content coming from it, until the very last second, so I got the impression that he gives only as much effort as required from him. He's not under pressure at the moment and thus not doing anything. (He was town there btw). Does anyone know if this is alignment indicative for him?

PN is hard to read - I mean literally - reading their posts is difficult; I don’t know what they are saying most of the time, but the distinct difference between their play here and [other game] is comforting.

I feel like the "I dunno what's goin on gaiz" routine from pirate mollie sounds kind of fake. I also don't really see where she's going with... anything. She can't "feel" mastin and AP is town. There's no comments on anything else really. :/ null, maybe nullscum.

Speedy saki is awesomely town. Their very first post is brilliant. And everything else is cute and open and honest.

I wanna lynch titus just for the fact that I can't deal with the distraction. No logic, waste of time arguments, focusing on ridiculous semantics that mean nothing, horrible reads, I'm sorry. I just can't. I don’t even care what her alignment is.

Vezok is weird but cool. Cant figure him out just yet though. Will need a deeper look or meta insight from other trustworthy people. Leaning town at the moment but #totalgutread

So wicked is the mislynch of choice imo. He posts his opinions and then explains why he thinks so and points it out. And it's not lame backwards logic either. Good stuff, so why is he the popular wagon? Dude is town.

ZZZX I already said could be scum from ISO.

500 days of summary:
Town {LC, Majiffy, PN, SpSaki, Wicked}
Nulltown {vez}
Null {BC, BPC, PV}
Nullscum {PM}
Scum {mastin, MTD, ZZZX}
Don’t care {Doduo, Titus}

This is only 15 people. Why am I missing one...

Uh... zabriel? wtf ... I hate people like this.

p-edit: not as quickie as I'd anticipated.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

was all me btw

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Updated VC cuz I needed one.

Heck Reaction

Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (Titus)
Majiffy - 1 (mastin2)
mastin2 - 2 (Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka)
MTD - 3 (Wickedestjr, Speedy Saki, GG)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 4 (Doduo, Lying Cat, Majiffy, MTD, ZZZX)

Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, zabriel

9 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-09 12:00:54)

MTD and/or ZZZX look like the scum on wicked's wagon to me. PV's vote makes no sense. Titus' vote is meaningless. Mastin's vote is scummy. PN/vez's votes I get. Agree with where our vote is at the moment @AP. PM's vote is scummy.

K that's all. Back to work for me.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

actually that's not it just yet

LC can you explain why you are voting wicked at the moment? Your vote is the only one I don't understand on that wagon.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time? I don't have any other games with him to compare and i haven't had time to look.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

me too.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I vaguely remember it being the reason I scumread him in Tough Guy. Soooooo, maybe?

why didn't you answer the question? Was he scum or town there?

And really I'd prefer the answer from someone who's

not

likely to be scum.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

Wat?

What are you trying to say?

you think i am scumreading you because i think you are playing from gut. the point was not that i think you are playing from gut; i see that you are saying you are playing from gut (i.e. i don't believe you actually are) because even if you were reading people from gut you'd be analyzing the wagons and the direction other people are going in (like we are, like others are) but you aren't. the fact that this is an inherent quality of your town game means it should be present at least partially, especially if you say that this is something new you are trying, but its completely absent, so really the only answer is that you are lying.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

empty questioning != analysis.

plus i agree with all of AP's reads which we arrived at independently so most of them are probably right

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I just logged over to call Mastin town. Then she goes and votes MTD. Now I can't call her town without people saying Im only doing it because shes voting my favorite pick for scum.

Mastin, gun to your head, read on Mollie? Im waffling on Majiffy, but still leaning town.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

That post made me smile.

Spoiler: Do not read this spoiler if you are mollie

Mollie is my secret null-scum read. Snork also thought she was scummy. I dont really have any interest in pursuing it Today so I dont have any intent of talking to Mollie about my read on her Today. I just thought her "lol mastin since when did you lose your ability to read AP" looked potentially from scum. and I havent seen anything that looks super town from her yet. Looks kind of like Xenosaga to me a little but its far too early to tell.

Mollie if you are town and clicked this spoile then
1) shame on you
2) I have zero interest in discussing my read on you Today.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

The only thing I am seeing inconsistent is that GG campaigning for mtd but no voting him? Like what?!

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: MTD

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I am sort of floating around after the site outage (as far as my approach to this game in my head) but I think mastin is town and I -think- mollie may be town.

Saki is actually scum, Im sorry for endorsing them before. Wicked is still town. Uhhhhh. Uhhhhh. UhhHHHHHHH.

Majiffy Im neutral on but leaning town. MB on the Saki misread, I feel bad about giving her town points for being troll scum.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mastin stop ignoring my hipster scumread on Sakiscum.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yeah mastin's town.

I'm so glad the site is back up. Now I have another time waster except reddit.

Hey GG, saki is not scum. Focus on real scum finding please.

Go away and bug someone else. AP and I need to re-sync.

I'm back.

Will need to look over everything because my brain un-mafia-ed while we were on break.

This. Will be back later with notes.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

TITUS.

Im not a player you can read with heuristics. Don't work on me.

Now. Lets get a fresh start here.

I think we are in the all-town neighborhood.

What do you say to that?

Also. What are your opinions (elaborate as much or little as you want) on: Vezok, Majiffy, mastin

[Guilty Gunsmith]

OMG, If Im smart I'll take the site downtime as a way to reset my reads and actually go about this carefully (and if Im being honest that will need about a week for me to do PROPERLY). I told Snork I was going to spam the QT and not the thread but MEH. We'll see just how much I can hold my self back. Right now Im only posting all this because I want to talk about how Vezok and Saki are scum together but I know no one will take me seriously and I dont even feel great about that without doing a slow and careful read anyhow.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

@AP: Your reads are usually better. What's happening to you?

Mastin is not scum. I know I can't convince you, but I'm pretty sure she's town.

When did I say I thought mastin was scum? I recall only ever posting about how she was a meh-town read for me and trying to get Majiffy to reconsider his read on her.
This reply is extremely out of place and tells me you are maintaining a front with how you approach this game.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Titus I 100% expect you to take over the world with me this game or I am going to slamdunk your lynch through like its going out of style.

Talk to me about all the people I mentioned please.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Also, Vezok is so ridiculously town that I'm actually worried he's going to end up nightkilled. Which would really, really suck.

What [posts of his feel town to you? Cause frankly Im not seeing it. Not at all. And I get that you are committed to the whole "Lol AP could be scum cause his reads suck" routine right now, but drop that like a hot potato and ISO Vezok stat, tia.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mastin I really fucking hate what people, yourself and possibly myself included, are doing to the site meta.

Okay, I'll stop ignoring it and choose to actually address it.

You're wrong; move on.

There, done ignoring it.

I dont really think this ^ is townie or scummy but I want to just smite it with the fury of 1000 suns.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

All of them?

<sigh> ok.

The tone behind what he says. The mindset motivating him. His whole reads. Everything. It's town. Think, "mastin, but less verbose and more subtle". Read his iso again. He's making good, solid points.

This is all extremely abstract. Admittedly, I haven't really said much concrete on Vezok but Im intending to just be waffly and void of opinions until Ive had a chance to give 110% to this game (probably not until my BF leaves town). I found I didn't find many of Vezok's opinions very compelling. The ZZZX PL opening post is throwaway. I presently disagree with the WickedDest pressure and I very much disagree that anything WickedDest has said merits a statement like "This is scum right here." WickedDest has admitted to being a little rusty and I can see some of his opinions meshing with current culture (am I making sense here?). He tells Majiffy that he doesn't want a PL on Doduo despite opening with a post about PLing ZZZX. 567 is GOING to look town to you cause its stroking your ego (independent of either of your alignments) and its not a townsign from Vezok. I suspect this is a large reason why you like him so much here. Nothing from Vezok is based in concrete analysis and I

dislike

the feels I get from his train of thought (especially on you and wickeddest). So there.

Hey, you're currently not a scumread, so take your victories where you can. I'd be more willing to townread you, though, if you didn't ignore my input on some of my strongest reads and take them into consideration. Now if you talked to me about my weaker reads, sure, yeah, you'd be able to influence me. But my stronger reads should be influencing how you perceive those players. Instead you're trying to undermine them. See the concern?

Well you just mirrored back how I feel about you so you can have some town pants for that. If you are scum then this post is amazing. I realize you havent been calling me scum; you are pushing me aside to follow your own things though. I don't like it but fine. If you DID correctly identify that Im upset/nervous about that and bounced it back at me intentionally then you deserve the Most Cunning nomination I'll be considering giving to you after you flip scum this game.

I didn't feel it needed to be addressed. Because the read didn't really hold validity to me, and still doesn't.

Ok, then stop talking about how my reads are bad as a discussion point about me then. Thanks!

--

Are you an ENTP by chance?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Pretty sure mastin knows how AP works regarding his reads and trying to use BoP as a scumtell on both AP and Majiffy (on D1 no less!) is fucking icky. Did anyone read that street racer game? I did. All billion pages of it. AP is like a printer imo. He needs to get warmed up but once he's on, he's like lightning.

Also I know we're town and mastin waffling is a flashing neon sign.

I'M the one that thinks mastin is scum, vez, but as you'll notice, AP and I are discussing it since we don't exactly agree there.

Snork told me his celebrity crush is Gary Busey.

I lol'd.

We are going to discuss Gunsmith and Majiffy. BRB.

ur dum and I know where this is going.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Are you an ENTP by chance?

I don't think so? The letters ent appears in my PM, but I don't see a P.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Brig ... _Indicator

[Guilty Gunsmith]

/wipes-sweat-off-brow
Mollie is town. And doing great things. I <3 mollie. I did give Titus a hug for you btw : )

I don't have any strong opinions after the crash and I don't think I will until I can have some time here to get reengaged and work out some IRL stuff. I agree with mastin about MTD being inorganic. I -think- Titus is town, but weak opinion atm. I also would purge with fire: Vezok, Saki, ZZZX. But I dont feel nearly as good about those reads as Im capable of feeling.

AP is like a printer imo. He needs to get warmed up but once he's on, he's like lightning.

Are you describing my townplay or my sex life?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

@mod please replace zabriel i dont remember him at all

He's been "prodded". I'm kind of giving everyone the benefit of the doubt with the recent site outage.
Rest assured, if he needs replacing, I'll replace him.

He doesnt deserve it. He hasnt posted AT ALL. In over 25 pages....

Or we could lynch him. I'm fine with that too.

Sorry. I forgot.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Can we all have one of those moments where we just pile votes on BC until hes lynched without questioning it?

Cause I really just want to lynch that and not stop to wonder if its just bad townplay.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Fuck it, Im a rebel.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: beastcharmander

That white knight was the whitest of knights. I mean Im so white that I burn when I stay in the sun for more than 30 consecutive minutes and that pales in comparison to the whitekness of this knight.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Also! Im so

white

....

pales

Charmander....

burn

All the subtle undertones. Literally all of them. Now can we lynch Charizard?

I get the feeling that someone is going to make a post along the lines of

"Eh 684 is pretty par for Charmeleon", so Im going to preemptively derail that by telling you to buzz off.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

WTF Majiffy. That charizard post is scummy as hell and you know it.

Calling me scum for Snork talking about wanting to lynch someone who has posted once? he doesnt even call us scum. Zabriel is confirmed town when this clown flips scum btw.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

has not* posted once.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

for example i am reading just about nobody as town right now

This looks town to me. I don't really have any interest in lynching Doduo in the near future after that stream of posts.

and vezok is still the towniest of all, even townier than mastin

Wrong, try again. Although you guys basically cant be scum together. So -shrug-, Im willing to ignore both of you (mostly Vezok since I kind of think you are town). Random question: are you a neighbor? You can answer this mostly honestly and in the form of a yes/no, that'd be great.

I WANNA VOTE REALLY BAD SO HELP ME GOD BUT IM PROBLY WRONG THIS IS TINFOIL MAXAMILLION

Titus

I have no interest in a Titus wagon right now. Granted, I haven't seen her making terrible points against me in the last few Days and its possible that when she gets around to reposting them, I will want to vote the crap out of her. But not now. Titus is being given a 2nd chance to town it up. Now...I will say that I may be coming around to Majiffy scum. Maybe mastin is getting into my head or her wailing encouraged me to pay more attention to Majiffy's posts which I succinctly found dubious. Be it what it may, I am sort of ok with wagoning Majiffy today. Also Im back to waffling on the cat, would plausibly vote them right now.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

We were pretty obvious as being masons. I think you are scum who tried to push for that.

Oh god damn it. My question about neighbors was sort of fishing for this answer w/o drawing it out all the way. But looks like thats out now. As a point of regard, can we NOT wagon Titus? Well ok let me finish catching up and I'll get back to you on the Titus wagon.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Also beast and BPC get your asses in here before AP has to use you both as handpuppets.

Sup Sthar8. So I really don't get your post this game. I just sort of read them and I notice attempts at humor and I feel around to see if I can find where its coming from and ...I cant. Yes I know MS and Marquis post a lot of crap. The thing is .... Marquis's last few posts were actually pretty good? Certainly not on a level of "scum or may as well be, lynchdiefire.

I think you are the mafia, EN GARDE!!!

Aw guys like, how is ZZZX not scum? Like I just don't get it. He's scum right? ZZZX, you're scum right?

A+ post, would townread this again. I dont even care what people think about ZZZX, this post is town and it should feel town.

WE INTERRUPT THIS CATCHUP POST TO BRING YOU AN IMPORTANT ANOUNCEMENT: STOP TALKING ABOUT MASTIN's PAST SCUMGAMES. IT JUST CAUSES MASTIN TO GET TURNED ON AND STROKE HER EGO. AND IT ADDS NOTHING TO FIGURING OUT HER ALIGNMENT HERE. THANK YOU.

Majiffy might actually be town.

Mastin, don't confbias over this point, please.... Scum vote for scum. This would be the optimal bus-time anyways. Not that that is necessarily the case here (although I do sort of think Cat/Majiffy could be scum) but come on. Stop with this. Also you have my solemn promise as an intuitive-feeling-bullshitter that BPC is town here. I swear by that one.

Care to explain why I am scum? As far as I know I am town and I have 6 Carbons.

Hmmmmm. Normally I would consider this a townie thing to say. Im a bit conflicted because of my prior desire to test the whether ZZZX is organic or not with a simple flammability test, but...hm. If scum have fakeclaims, this could definitely come from scum. In fact, this is the sort of shit I intentionally post as scum when Im trying to soft flavor to no end. Could be town though. I GOT MY EYE ON YOU ZZZX, DONT THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

am I the only person that cares about this game? at page 31 and so many players have 40 posts and less. how do you expect anybody to read you like this?


also we have the most amount of posts in the game is that a good sign bad sign i dunno.

This probably should be lynched by D3 at the latest, but since everyone is like LOL LOOK AT THEIR CAREFREE POSTING MS IS ALWAYS A MISLYNCH they can wait until D3 and we can lynch mafia cat and mafia charizard first.

Overall, I'd say he's still in the scum heap, but not nearly as strongly as he was; the read needs time to develop.

Town. Probably. Anyhow I don't think Im extremely interested in lynching mastin right now.

bachelorette #1

Mastin: If you had a 1x Vig shot, who would you vig and why?

I'm still waiting for your slot to elaborate on why you decided to spam the early-game with a faked PR and then subsequently go MIA when I started firing in your direction.

Because they felt like it? TBH, thats probably why they did it. Not everything has a logical or good reason behind it.

We should lynch LC.

I know Snork and I would certainly love to do this in a meta-level OMGUS. (Also I think they could actually be scum1). I really didn't like their reaction to the whole Charizard/Gunsmith/Majiffy situation.

~Charizard posts to come after this post~

Mollie fucking obvtowned in #660 or she is scum with mastina. Period.

Ya my gut response to this reentry (and this sentence in particular) is that this is town-Titus which I like to think I am better at recognizing now that Ive met her in person.

you have to convince me you are town.

See and this is difficult because you are an extroverted thinker and my thinking is all generally introverted. You like to look at people's thought process for reads, I am more trying to sense motives behind posts. I don't know if I can explicitly do anything to convince you I'm town. It will be obvious down the line. The best I can do is loltunnel on scum and get it lynched Today : P.

ZZZX's reaction wasn't good either. Are you going to try and tell me that their reaction was good or that they didn't attempt to discredit what I said? Town should have easily been able to defend against my weak attack and probably could have even turned it around and made me look like I was scum. That didn't happen though.

Wow. Guys this is just scum. Holy shit.

(Also, basically hugely skimming Beast's posts, but...well. They haven't really been looking good to me. Quite the opposite, in fact.)

What is there to skim? He barely posts as it is. Also, can we stop focusing on Titus today? She could be scum, sure, but I think its unlikely enough that Id rather focus on other people right now.

Side note: dont think saki and Charizard are scum together.

I am thinking Majiffy Saki Vezok...GS as the scumteam.

: (
Ugh. Im really actually town though. I will freaking record a video of someone asking me if Im scum and me answering honestly and post it here for your benefit ; ). Titus what is your best townread right now?

Unless I missed a neon mason claim

Its only Neon if you can read between the lines. Which I think you are very straightforward, might miss. I picked up on it though and even tried to get PN to soft it to me : P

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Confirmed Town: Vezok, PN
Town: Doduo
Leaning Town: Mastin, mollie, BPC
Would rather not lynch: PV, WickedDest, Titus
Majiffy: Majiffy
Would Lynch: MTD, Bulbazak, Charizard, ZZZX, Saki, Lying Cat

I dont feel great about calling a scumteam out right now but if I did it would probably look something like ZZZX, Saki, Charizard, Cat.

--

Spoiler: Confirmation bias

Ok, as much as I dislike meta, a (very) brief skim of Knight Errant makes me think this is not the same Charizard. Not a strong opinion, but its there.
Anyhow, Im reading him assuming hes *SFJ and I can kind of sort of see the posts coming from town. Gross, but could be.

Your last post was horrible. "Lynch the guy who can't defend themselves!" Great plan.

Speedy Saki, I am glad you mentioned me. My ego was starting to get hurt because no one had said my name. <3

Pretty big misinterpretation of Snork's post and failure to understand Snork as a person. This doesn't really make Charizard scum though. I dislike the last bit mostly because I'd expect Charizard to not have expectations for people mentioning him because, as he admits, he is a nonpresence in the game.

Post 132 really bugged me because that isn't always true. I know of scum who do dumb stuff just to preoccupy people with it so they don't think anything of the person or just think they person is a troll.

I think this is the hardest thing I can nail down in justification of a Charizard scumread. He DOES later admit that this is a bad point to make on ZZZX, so hm. I can tell that this doesn't fit in with the way BC thinks.

Almost everything notscience does is not alignment indicative. He is one of those players who all but announce their alignment eventually though which is nice.

This is scary. This is charizard trying to show how useful he can be later on by soft-hinting that he will be able to read NS and this REALLY doesn't gel with my earlier impression of BC.

Your play in general is scummy. You didn't even try to dispute what I just said, instead you tried to discredit it. You are using false logic to try and look like you are making good posts. That is how it is scummy.

Alright, I also dislike this post. ZZZX asks Charizard to explain his case and Charizrd retorts be saying that ZZZX is discrediting him. This is kind of hilarious cognitive dissonance since ZZZX merely asks for followup (rather than making a judgement on BC) and BC then goes off the wagon about how ZZZX is discrediting him and simultanesously saying that his case was INTENTIONALLY bad. So ya.

I get that Charizard is a very judgmental person and is hoping around droping scumreads like its going out of style, but I reaaally can't shake my paranoia on this little exchange....

ZZZX's reaction wasn't good either. Are you going to try and tell me that their reaction was good or that they didn't attempt to discredit what I said? Town should have easily been able to defend against my weak attack and probably could have even turned it around and made me look like I was scum. That didn't happen though.

Was ZZZX's reaction bad? He asked how what he said was scummy..That is not a discredit attempt. And given that BC admits that his point on ZZZX was bad, what on earth is he getting out of this? ZZZX is scum because ZZZX asked BC about his logic for what BPC admits is an illogicial read? Eh? Really?

My attack was weak and everyone who reads it is going to know that. ZZZX didn't do anything to counter it though.

Are you going to try and tell me that their reaction was good or that they didn't attempt to discredit what I said?

So which is it? Did ZZZX not do anything...or did he discredit you? I mean this is sort of a technicality push on my end, but I really don't get Charizard's perspective here. It feels really over done and then he goes on to wagon Doduo who is actually really fucking town this game.

~AP.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ZZZX is scum because ZZZX asked BC about his logic for what BPC admits is an illogicial read?

BC*, not BPC*

[Guilty Gunsmith]

VOTE: Lying Cat

Im revising my fantasy scumteam slightly to MTD, Lying Cat, Saki, ZZZX.

I really disliked Saki swooping in to call Charizard town and therefore call doduo scum. I think Char/doduo might be town/town here.

Lets compromise lynch the cat Today.

Doduo, mastin and I are in for it and I think we're all town. Majiffy is in for it and I sort of feel good about that even if there is a chance hes bussing here.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

So...I guess it actually

could

be all four of them.
Eh, probs-not since the days of Mastin catching the entire scumteam on D1 have long-since passed, but it's my best guess right now.

Not to discredit you or anything, but I think you are off the wagon.

While what you are presenting looks logical, I just disagree with it for a few reasons.

I don't see how you are concluding that Majiffy, LC, and MTD are all scum together for being on the Wicked wagon. Its a bit early in the game for scum to be interested in tactical counterwagoning/bussing. I guess its possible they decided to go for epic distancing, but I dont see how this conclusion is particularly likely.

MTD - 5 (Wickedestjr, Speedy Saki,

Guilty Gunsmith, vezokpiraka,

mastin2

)
If Wicked flips town, can I hve your axe for Saki?

Also note that Saki is currently posturing on Doduo and encouraging focus on the Char v Doduo situation.
--
mastin2 - 4 (Perpetual Nonsense, MTD, Majiffy, Wickedestjr)
All scum bussing WickedDest for fun? Plausible.
All scum then counterwagoning Mastin2 for the dunk? Bzzzt. Nope. Not happening. You dont just orchestrate an elaborate distacning act then hop off it and all counterwagon town together with zero drama.

-----

PN/Vezok, do you guys have Day talk?

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More LC votes please ^^.
Lets make this a thing.
Mastin I think we should work to sorting out Majiffy, but not Today. Over night or Tomorrow. If he IS scum, hes still helping us lynch LC and I want to give him a chance. I like most of his scumreads too much right now. (Except the one on doduo, that one is just wrong but I could see Majiffy misreading it).

[Guilty Gunsmith]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Oh sorry, you already used that lifeline. You can phone a friend or use your 50-50

Open up your eyes
You must be blind
If you can't see
The gaping hole
Called reality
(Wanna do it again. I gonna gonna do it again. I wanna do it again. Come on.)

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Dear Majiffy/Mastin/Doduo:

Spoiler:

[Guilty Gunsmith]

This Saki wagon is, quite bluntly, scum-driven.

FAKE VC:
Saki (1): Majiffy

Spoiler:

they certainly are planning something though. implies daytalk coordination (owing to the sudden orchestration after the site outage)

I kinda suspected as much, given earlier wagon trends I pointed out. It also makes sense if the scum have an inventor that they'd need daytalk to coordinate its usage.

Spoiler:

@Majiffy: No I want you all to stay on target. You need to stop talking with Saki over petty bullshit. Everyone needs to hop back on Lying Cat. Mastin especially needs to stop making mindnumbing posts in which she postures about something that doesnt even exist.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

PV can officially move up from "would rather not lynch" to "leaning town" btw.

Majiffy, what are you going on about? Mastin saying ridiculous things makes mastin scum since....when exactly? Yes, her recent comment is blowing my mind. No, that doesnt make her scum?

Yes, Im making sense possibly?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ya so we aren't lynching mastin ever btw.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

But the LC wagon wasn't scum-driven.

And the one vote Saki wagon is.

And uh

Get over it.

If you are town stop fretting over something that is wrong and doens't matter.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

You know Majiffy you are starting to look like -my- scumgame >.>

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Its outward intuitive perceiving gone wild.

Like suddenly everything is scummy with a dash of "omg no one will listen to me, Imma cry in the corner" and a sprinkle of omgus and discrediting but in a scummy way that I cant quite qualify.

seriously. Thats me. As scum. Exactly what you are doing.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Can we all do a team building exercise?

Lets lynch our favorite reason for lynching the scum cat and then vote them.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

list*

[Guilty Gunsmith]

(On the one hand, I don't buy the AtE even remotely and it screams BS distraction meant to look good and throw us off.
On the other hand, I feel like a jerk for typing that up.

(My good sense is telling me Majiffy is scum, but my feelings disagree)

[Guilty Gunsmith]

(Btw, it's times like this that I sometimes wish I had a neighborhood and/or a hydra partner, 'cause there is one thought I had that would be follow-through that I want to not forget and keep in mind but which I don't really want to clutter the thread with. If I had a QT, I could just dump the thought in there and bring it up at a later time if it proved still relevant, but since I don't, I've got the choice of saying it or not saying it and hoping I remember. This note serves as option C, half of both, which means half the ups of both and ~75% of the downs of both. )

AP and mastin's Neighborhood QT

Mastin keep calm and carry on. We can worry about Majiffy later. Less petty squabbles that cause dramatics and more focusing on the objective of lynching scum. <3
~AP

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mastin is ridiculously town this game.

Majiffy not as much but I dont really care.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mastin how sure are you on mollie town? I'm having weird paranoia there. I like the things she's saying but my gut keeps nagging me about a possibility there. Still I would only see mollie scum here potentially depending how flips go. I realize this post is kind of vague and run on but I'm tired and I wanted to get this out there.

In particular though, I just can't shake how I even preempted internally that majiffy was going to withdraw himself emotionally from the thread once I realized he was doing my De facto recent scum routine.

I want more time to think about him but yeh. Just meh? Snork is asking me about why cat so expect more from me on that sion.

Phonepost.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

VOTE: Lying Cat

While I don't care for Majiffy's self vote, he has never selfvoted as town and that means he's wanting to draw attention away from the major wagons.

GG, the only way Mollie us scum is if Majiffy is.

Well it sounds like you strongly suspect Majiffy could be scum, based on hat you are saying here.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I'm back and doing ISOs. Need to re-meld with AP.

--

I read through beastcharizard's ISO first, pumped to catch this scumbag and then his towniness took all the wind out of my sails.

Early beastcharizard posts suck hairy balls. Later posts (after around 775ish) are much better. Specifically liked Post 801 and following posts.

He does need to post more though - 10 posts in a 40 page game is unacceptable.

- Snorek

[Guilty Gunsmith]

What proves that he didn't just start lurking and making complex posts slowly?

Common sense.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

What? Lurking and building up from no content to barely passable content?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

he gives no content to the game and obv isn't really scum hunting

It is the perfect scum play

Congratulations, you've found a lurker.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

What proves that he didn't just start lurking and making complex posts slowly?

His first post after the outage was to vote one head of a hydra for something stupid. He was obviously not paying attention. My original thinking was that he was getting his info elsewhere (i.e. a scum QT) which negated the necessity for him to pay attention, and indicated the possibility that if he was scum, his partner was far more involved in the game. However, his later posts don't show any indication of that, and in fact, show that he's actually engaging with the game. He reevaluated his reads. His questioning of Doduo, for instance, is a great example of a town player thinking about what's going on. His last few posts have a very distinct "I'm gonna catch you" vibe.

Could he be scum who avoided RVS? Anything is possible. Is that what his ISO looks like? Absolutely not. He was gone. Gone. His presence/involvement with the game is crystal clear to me.

And what scum slip?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Sudden huge change in playstyle is a scum slip sometimes... because people do not change in an hour.

Uhhhhhh it didn't though.

he gives no content to the game and obv isn't really scum hunting

It is the perfect scum play

Congratulations, you've found a lurker.

A lurker who's post style changed that much into a 500% more grammar and spelling correction.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you seriously trying to push someone for spelling? For real?

Out of all the players on the list, this is the strongest thing you have?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I just read his ISO and I have no idea what you are talking about. His spelling and grammar looks fine to me.

I keep trying to convince myself that there is no way ZZZX/Charizard could be bussing each other right now, but I just am not able to feel great ruling it out. ZZZX, why are you not voting Charizard if you are so sure hes scum. Why are you arguing it with the hydra that think Charizard is scummy in the first place?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I dislike ZZZX's answer about why he isn't voting. Mostly that he focused specifically on why he isn't voting Charizard rather than explaining why he isn't doing anything with his vote in a more general sense.

But Im probably confirmation biasing at this point.

Snorkel and I officially agree that Titus is town, so if we could not lynch any of these people Today:

PN, Vezok, mastin2, PV, Titus, Doduo, BPC, Mollie***. that'd be fantastic.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yes I did. Snd instead of giving me insight into what you are doing with your vote (nothing) you gave me some really throwaway reasons for not voting Charizard: "Well BC -could- be scum, but Im usually wrong when I think this"
Typically your opinion on the gamestate as a whole should also impact whether or not you want to vote Charizard. The singlemindedness of the response could just be a personality thing, but it also doesn't feel like something a townie who was genuinely unsure what to do with their vote would say.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

TIL weird and annoying = scum

Also I FOUND A TELL FOR MTD

Will explain momentarily.


AP I agree with your do not lynch list mostly. Also beast is town. Stop being a nub.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ignoring you? Was there something I specifically needed to respond to?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

If it wasn't clear enough from when I said I am doing ISOs right now...

I'm doing ISOs right now.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ok Yoda. You've been having a conversation with AP while I'm posting my conclusions from ISOs. Get it straight.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

YOU asked me why I am not voting charazard?

Yes I did.

Snd instead of giving me insight into what you are doing with your vote (nothing)

you gave me some really throwaway reasons for not voting Charizard: "Well BC -could- be scum, but Im usually wrong when I think this"

Typically your opinion on the gamestate as a whole should also impact whether or not you want to vote Charizard. The singlemindedness of the response could just be a personality thing, but it also doesn't feel like something a townie who was genuinely unsure what to do with their vote would say.

bold is contraction

italic is pure bs

The bold is me agreeing with you (that I DID ask you about your lack of BC vote specifically) and then me summarizing your provided reasons for not voting BC. Your English teacher may give you A's, but Im giving you a B for "Better up your scumgame next time" cause there is no contradiction there and its pretty clear you are making no effort to understand my post at all before painting it scummy.

The italics part of my quote is me explaining why I didn't like your response. I guess I don't have a good answer as to WHY its not BS since that is mostly what I feel -I- would do in your situation as town if I were asked to explain my vote.

!Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

We're never wrong.

This was a joke.

And I don't even know what you're talking about. What are you saying is wrong?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ffs that was AP. And I don't understand what you are confused about. He asked for solid reasoning and you gave fluffy reasons, if I am reading this right. He's not saying you're scum for answering his question. He's saying you're scum for answering his question badly.

If you're not scum, you're an idiot with reading comprehension problems. You're arguing (bad) semantics and making distractions. This makes you very likely scum and I agree with AP about it.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I told you to explain why you are not voting BC but you instead explain why you are not voting BC. Oh Scummy play dodge question much scum.

I told you to explain why you are not voting BC and your response felt oddly short-sighted.

Yes I am reading you as scum over something that did NOT appear in your response and was not something I explicitly asked for:

Spoiler:

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yeah.......... except you're wrong. So... good luck with that and enjoy your movie. Read a dictionary while you're at it.

Back to my ISOs.

MTD is town. AP probably doesn't agree with me here. Buuuut I reviewed his ISOs in his last 5 or so completed games. 2 of them were scum games and the other 3 were town. I'm not going to reveal the tell because I'd like to continue using it in future games. As much as I want to scum read him for my gut, the difference is too distinct to ignore.

- Snork.

p-edit: I thought you were going away ZZZX? So....... go away?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yes I am reading you as scum over something that did NOT appear in your response and was not something I explicitly asked for:

Quote that you asked me about it and I didnt asnwer it.

Oh wait you cant. How sad?

I literally just admitted that I did not explicitly ask you for a big picture response?

--

dear Mastin: ZZZX is scum and mad about it. Why are you misreading this so bad?

Love,

Snork

AP

fuck.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Why do I find that as if you are... scared of getting caught?

Because you are bad at understanding tone and motivation?

I am the mafia player with the most unorthadox scum hunting methods. I am mostly not sure from my reads


but when I am I think I am pretty accurate usually.

Ok. So you are sure of your reads. Good for you. I'm telling you that you're wrong. If you are completely unable to take a look at our ISO and read for motivation, that is entirely your own flaw and your own problem.

- Snork

p-edit: NO. That is NOT what he said.

CAN YOU LIKE... READ WORDS PROPERLY OR NOT?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ORRRRRR you are having trouble understanding

AP

specifically. Because you are 100% absolutely incorrect about our alignment.

- Snork

p-edit: WHAT THE FUCK ANTI

p-edit 2: ^ that was obviously a joke. But you didn't have to ruin it so quickly. ya buttmunch.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Mollie is scum. There's absolutely no scum hunting going on. At all. Just talking at people and not making any waves. And playing peacemaker with jiffy/mastin. ISO is so empty.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Can we get a current VC please?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Bulbazak come back please and post stuff. You said you were catching up on Sunday and its friggin Wednesday. Your slot is a zero read. Do something so I can figure you out.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Jiffy/mastin - objective read on mollie?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

does any1 else see this too

you're a dummy. the first post is AP to ZZZX who he was having an on-going conversation with - one I wasn't paying attention to because I don't care. The second is mine.

AP thinks ZZZX is scum. I thought he was scum last time I ISO'd him and that was many pages ago before I stopped reading this game. At the moment, I, Snork, do not know what to think of ZZZX and I am ignoring him for the moment because I don't know where to start. I also want to finish the ISOs and my catch up because I feel like AP has become wiggly paranoid waffleman in my absence.

Majiffy stop that nonsense. I don't know what the fuck is going on with you and mastin and I can't read either of you right now. I'm basically leaving it to AP. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. Obviously people aren't voting you because this entire song and dance of yours has people hesitating, like me. It almost feels like that was your intention but my personal feeling is that if you were scum you'd go after an easier target. Pushing mastin seems foolish knowing you probably won't get that lynch today. On the other hand, it could be part of a plan to remain vote parked on her. I don't know. And that's why we're not voting you. Because we don't know.

mine.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yeah but I'd rather vote a strong scum read rather than voting an unknown just to find out.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Can you explain a little why you think mollie is town? I looked through some of her other games and the town games have a lot more passion and like.. clear drive to dig into people and figure them out and her scum games don't. and this game really matches her scum game in my opinion, so.. AP said you're very familiar with her, as is mastin, and I want to know what you are seeing.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ok. I will discuss with AP.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I don't think it's possible to be more non-committal.

Snork plz, you called me IHOP in the QT.

--

I've been talking about Majiffy in the QT. Basically I am hoping he gets investigated. Actions could be from town, but my primary concern with what hes doing (other than me looking at this and wondering if I lent Majiffy my book of scumplays when I was drunk once) is that the freakout doesn't feel justified?

I spent effort wagoning Cat and trying to get people to agree on that (Majiffy originally started the wagon) and Majiffy has shown token interest at best to that. More recently, Ive been pushing his OTHER scumread ZZZX and hes also shown less than zero interest in that.

So I really -could- see Majiffy being town here (and want him to be and would rather investigate him), but eh. My head is telling me that what hes doing is unlikely from town here and hes just trying to muddy the waters and throw apathy around.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Add to that I also spent effort getting mastin's vote off of Majiffy and I also spent effort talking to mastin about how her assertions about Majiffy make no sense. Once again, Majiffy seems not to care.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

So this is just purely AP talking (and Im exhausted as fuck and not even close to 100%) but my honest to god unbiased opinions right now would be to lynch either Majiffy or ZZZX Today.

Sorry to stab you in the heart like that Majiffy, but you have been pretty actively refusing to cooperate (in general, and also specifically my efforts to console you) so ya.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

That said, I'd rather lynch ZZZX over Majiffy.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Hi mollie. Its snork. Why the animosity if you just think i'm mistaken?

And we are voting. I'm not voting you because i'm not sure.

P-edit: uh wut? There's no dissonance...???

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Except on you and lc probably. But I'm letting him run wih that since i've been mostly absent the last week.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Re jiffy/mastin i go back and forth. Some posts i'm like thats p town and then another isnt. Its hard for me to figure out what the purpose is. I kind of agree with titus that the self lynch thing is meant to elicit emotions and manipulate but i've self voted and begged for my own lynch as town so again i'm confused about the why.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

And your post just seemed really hostile mollie and then you said you had to edit out curse words so it was even more hostile before that and i dont know why.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

it's 11 pm.... what if i'd gone to bed... you'd push our lynch because i didn't respond?

i'm talking about Post 1134.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i was also posting from my phone. in bed. how fast do you think i can post? i'm on the computer now. like your entire approach to me seems hostile.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Re jiffy/mastin i go back and forth. Some posts i'm like thats p town and then another isnt. Its hard for me to figure out what the purpose is. I kind of agree with titus that the self lynch thing is meant to elicit emotions and manipulate but i've self voted and begged for my own lynch as town so again i'm confused about the why.

ask him.

so that he can repeat why he is doing it in the first place.

he is frustrated I think. if he is scum I will eat it but right now from where I am standing he isn't scum.

why would i ask him to repeat himself? i know why he said he's doing it. i get that he could be frustrated. that doesn't suddenly clear up my read on him. i'm basically leaving them to AP since he has more experience with them. a lot of this process is more than just scum hunting for me because i have to figure out people's styles too.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

....

ok. question then. when we flip town, who will you pursue?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

and an explanation along with that vote would be nice.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

hello?

didn't mollie just give me some bullshit fucking deadline and now no one wants to have a goddamn conversation?

yes. lynch first, interact later. oh wait, no, you cant do that because THATS FUCKING STUPID. but what do i know.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

fuck it.

this town isn't worth it.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

....

ok. question then.

when we flip town, who will you pursue?

- Snork

Anyone voting us better fucking have an answer for this.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I mean really... PN what interaction have you had with us? None. Same with vez. Why are the conftowns always so fucking horrible. It's like giving a toddler a car.

I've literally been gone for a long ass time and been keeping up with AP in the QT sort of. I come back and try to sort shit and I get fucking hostility and votes WITH NO INTERACTION. NO CONVERSATION. NO BACK AND FORTH. NO ONE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE US OUT AT ALL.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

It's like being denied a job before even interviewing. And it's fucking stupid and I quit. I mean what kind of shitty play is this... I think mollie is scum and yet I still try to get a conversation with her and she might as well have spit in my drink.

p-edit well fuck you too titus

why don't you just vote us then

[Guilty Gunsmith]

glad you took the time to talk to me and get your read actually sorted.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

OH HEY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I GUESS I WAS JUST DREAMING ABOUT A GAME WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALKED TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF THROWING OUT ARBITRARY READS WITHOUT ANY BASIS.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i'm going. ap is going to shitabout this probabaly. i dont fucking care. i'm so fed up with this site.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

yes i wanna talk! i dont know half the people here and we're getting votes because "omghydra so confusing!"

like it's fucking clear PN and vez and whoever the fuck else isn't really reading what the hell we're saying or it would be goddamn obvious.

I AM OBVIOUS AS TOWN.

do i need to do a votecount?

...shit you guys are so high maintenance

please yes?

but that is not even the problem. me being obvious is not the problem. i wasn't even here. the problem is i want to get engaged with this game and i dont feel like i'm being allowed to.

GODDAMMIT.

it's midnight now. and i'm pissed. now is probably not a good time. i need to get with ap.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE US OR PRETEND TO BE ALL IFFY ABOUT VOTING US YOU BETTER COME UP WITH A GOOD PLACE TO LOOK WHEN WE FLIP.

I want that answer from everyone who thinks we're scum.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

mollie i think you're scum because your ISO doesn't look like scumhunting. I said that. jiffy says you have a different method. i'm looking for it. whether i trust him or not i dont fucking know.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

oh shuttup

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i'm not going to go all

VOOOOOOOTE MEEEEEEEEEE NOWWWWWWWW

and self vote mk... if we're getting lynched you fucks better pile on.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

no titus. ap thinks you're a scummy scum fuck. i'm the one that said you're town.

p-edit: which read?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

titus - i know you think we slipped. i also know that your so called "slip" is fucking stupid because i ALSO know we're town. but i can see why and how you think what you think and i can follow what you're saying even if it's ridiculous, which is p much exactly what i told ap in the qt about you.

- snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ap and i are talking about it. i can't just not interact with you... why....??

p-edit: that may be true, mollie. it's something i have to find out.

aside from jiffy/mastin/ap, what are your major reads?

p-edit 2: when ap said 4 town 13 scum or something like that, way back when.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Doduo - 3 (BipolarChemist, beastcharizard, PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 2 (ZZZX, vezokpiraka)
Lying Cat - 4 (Guilty Gunsmith, mastin2, MTD, Titus)
mastin2 - 2 (Wickedestjr, Doduo)
Majiffy - 1 (Majiffy)
Titus - 2 (pirate mollie, Perpetual Nonsense)
Wickedestjr - 1 (Lying Cat)

Not Voting: Bulbazak, Speedy Saki

AP thinks ZZZX is scum. I think so too.

LC is under review. the titus wagon is silly. mollie why are you voting her again?

doduo, wicked

can you rehash reasoning for your votes please?

This VC doesn't really help me right now.

ugh. i'm doing this AP

VOTE: ZZZX

p-edit: i agree with pretty much everything, though i had pn as town and vez as unknown. i think beast is town, but ap has his doubts.

err....

where is beast on the vote count?

p-edit: saki you keep on with that. i was pretty sure you were town but you are making it hard for me to continue believing it. you aren't even bothering to question us.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

and you aren't even voting us even though you're spouting constant nonsense about how we're scum!

jesus.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

hey i read that game! the biggest difference on titus from there to here is the flow of her logic. in that game, there was no cohesive flow. she jumped from one bad point to another trying to make something stick. here she looks like she clutching to things she feels she can use to catch people. liek the"slip". she thinks she found something valid and she's continuously pushing it. she's not changing her story, and that's why i think she's town.

I remember thinking pre-crash that MTD was scummy and we were both pushing that. I can't remember anything from him since then.

Saki... AP is convinced they're scum. I should probably defer to his reads but I have trouble differing between wanting to be right and determining if I actually am. I personally thought they were really town. Lately, not so much.

I also thought beast was scum after his silly little "vote snork" post, but his later posts are much better.

p-edit: 1215 was to saki.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i really need to go to bed.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

i was ready to quote your posts where you did and i was wrong. i mixed you up with someone else. maybe PN i think. my bad.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

err.... where is beast on the vote count?

he's voting doduo. second vote.

omg.. why does that line go up like that.. i totally missed doduo.

THAT IS A SHIT WAGON

BPC being there makes me disappointed. i really liked his posts.

also PV. i

think

could be town? not really sure. kinda resembles the same play from ny 172.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

We spoke and other head has a scumread on Titus but can't explain it well. This head is paranoid.

who are you guys again? and why are you giving us shit without actually poking us for anything??

[Guilty Gunsmith]

why are you dodging

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Gg and titus scum together.

The convo between them feels forced.

Doduo - 3 (BipolarChemist, beastcharizard, PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 2 (ZZZX, vezokpiraka)
Lying Cat - 4 (Guilty Gunsmith, mastin2, MTD, Titus)
mastin2 - 2 (Wickedestjr, Doduo)
Majiffy - 1 (Majiffy)
Titus - 2 (pirate mollie, Perpetual Nonsense)
Wickedestjr - 1 (Lying Cat)

Not Voting: Bulbazak, Speedy Saki

AP thinks ZZZX is scum. I think so too.

LC is under review. the titus wagon is silly. mollie why are you voting her again?

doduo, wicked

can you rehash reasoning for your votes please?

This VC doesn't really help me right now.

ugh. i'm doing this AP

VOTE: ZZZX

p-edit: i agree with pretty much everything, though i had pn as town and vez as unknown. i think beast is town, but ap has his doubts.

err....

where is beast on the vote count?

p-edit: saki you keep on with that. i was pretty sure you were town but you are making it hard for me to continue believing it. you aren't even bothering to question us.

Wagon forming on you? no PROBLEM!

You basically voted me after a 6 pages wait (Waw!) purely to save your ass here. There is no explaination why your vote was too late with nothing happening those 6 pages that would change my mind.

I found it weird you scum read me without the vote but now its clear you kept the vote as a trump card to save your self.

P-edit: I sense that is true. It kind of feels forced and uncoordinated correctly.

Basically means that they had to rush it.,

Vez/ZZZX

You still haven't answered my question:

When we flip town, who will you pursue?

Gg and titus scum together.

The convo between them feels forced.

It's shit like this that makes me doubt you are a mason.

QFT.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

The point is that he's a mason, and yet he's acting like he's never played this game before and saying the most ridiculous things.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Like, here's the thing. If we have two masons who are confirmed to each other, than they can speak freely about their reads and completely trust each other and work things out. That's powerful and it's important that they work with good information.

Vez is continually sniping at us, but has failed to interact in any way, or question our motives at all, despite parking his vote there, and apparently, without consulting with his mason buddy. This tells me that whatever conclusions our revered conftowns are coming to are based on at least one piece of faulty information. This can snowball really quickly, and really badly, and it's something I want to avoid, aside from being extremely irritated at being scum read without any evidence or interaction.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

ZZZX was a scum read before he started scum reading and voting us, Saki... that's in the thread to confirm.

At this very moment, I'm waffling on mollie. AP and I are still trying to sort the list and it's somewhat of a clusterfuck (imo). I haven't had a chance to speak with him at any considerable length for a couple of days. My town reads are you, PN, Titus, beast and wicked. Vez is town only by claim but he's a shmuck. From there AP and I are looking at {LC, jiffy, mastin, MTD, mollie} as far as narrowing it down. I think BPC is town but I havent talked about him with AP yet.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

So the short answer is - I don't really know yet. We're still working on it.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oh but I think AP and I differ on Saki/Titus/Mollie.

I think the first two are town and thought mollie was scummy.
AP thinks the first two are scum and the last is "meta-y town".

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Part of being a mason isn't only talking amongst yourselves. It's using that ability to come to better conclusions based on the fact that your buddy is cleared, and once outed, sharing those with the rest of us. NOT just plopping down naked votes and acting like we owe you something. There is a higher expectation of responsibility on you now and you're failing to meet it.

You want to vote us, fine. Tell us why. Explain the read. Interact with us. Have a conversation. See where it takes you. And answer questions posed to you.

Like who you would consider if you knew for a fact we were town.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I found it weird you scum read me without the vote but now its clear you kept the vote as a trump card to save your self.

Still a scum read zz. Which conflict?

Can we just lynch ZZZX Today?

It's shit like this that makes me doubt you are a mason.

I feel pretty confident that they are masons.
--

So I just read lkke 6 pages or something (wow guys). This game Day is dragging. If we could lynch someone in the next 10 pages, I'd be a happy bird.
I know there were a lot of questions directed at me and tbh Im still dehydrated/headachey/tired to give very good answers to most of them.
Truth be told, I am getting bogged down in this game. I don't have any surefire reads (except PN/Vezok?) and I haven't really ruled much out. I'd need to read slowly from P1 to do that.

--

I feel somewhat confident that Titus is town, so Snork and I agree there.
I liked Mollie's post in which she "deleted expletives". Sort of feels like GoW mafia mollie, but I wouldn't take that read to the bank.
I told Snork that I thought there was 1-2 scum in Titus/Mollie/Majiffy/mastin but I dont know. Now thinking maybe it could all be town.
Doduo is still probably a townie and that wagon is bad.
ZZZX is actually just mafia. Please disregard mastin's read there and wagon him.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

This.

Titus believes it's a slip because "4 good guys". To us, it's obviously not. She believes this can only come from scum. Fact is that we're town, so obviously not, and that is false. Our flip can and will confirm that. End of story.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

PV - it was more about the way they felt compared to NY 172. Very similar kind of "idgaf I'm having fun" tone. Not a solid town read by any stretch, and totally a snork read as I haven't discussed BPC specifically with AP yet.

- Snork

p-edit: Hi Sthar I want to chat with you.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Well like I said, I can understand why she thinks that. I just know it's wrong.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

There are two factions in this game. An organic town (13 players) and an inorganic mafia (4 players).

[Guilty Gunsmith]

p-edit: Hi Sthar I want to chat with you.

Go for it. Be aware that I haven't read anything in the last 20 pages.

Understood. Where are you wrt reads at this moment?

- snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

PN, why didn't you investigate this sooner? You know, when I made the claim.

Now that I'm considering *gasp* working with GG this comes up.

Yup. Scum. Let's lynch this now.

You need to explain how you get to these kinds of conclusions. Why is this post scummy, as opposed to our "slip"?

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

There are two factions in this game. An organic town (13 players) and an inorganic mafia (4 players).

[Guilty Gunsmith]

The Doduo read is an AP read. I'm in the "kill them with fire for being annoying" camp, but not so much lately. I admit they are probably town for it.

- Snork

AP GO TO QT PRTY PLS

[Guilty Gunsmith]

V/LA tomorrow through Monday

/inb4 50 more pages.

Can you give an update on your reads before you disappear?????

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

What do you think of Doduo, ZZZX, and Saki?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

But vez, we've been scumreading ZZZX since page 9... that read has not changed.

- Snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

He's our strongest scum read right now.