Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[MTD]

So, yeah, I saw this started -> 7 pages -.-

From skimming, I agree D is faking a PR, which is stupid, but I hate policy lynches.
Wicked really does look bad.

Anyone want to give me a TL;DR of what I missed?

VOTE: Wicked

[MTD]

I'm glad you read enough to at least make that determination.

Vote: MTD

What have you missed if not the posts of the most popular vote choice?

Yeah, I did see you were quite a popular guy, leading me to look into your posts for a bit.
I probably missed quite many other interesting things, though.

[MTD]

Ok, then why do you think I look really bad?

It looks to me like you are being overly defensive and overexplaining things. Also, gut.

Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-

[MTD]

Any chance of a case on cat?

And what do you find bad about

that

sentence?

[MTD]

The entirety of it? Its ridiculously nitpicky and pedantic. Its not from the mindset of someone trying to solve the game, its from the mindset of someone trying to be right

Well, while being pedantic might be a problem I have. i don't find it here.
I was trying to make clear what I said because it means something heavily different from what he said.

[MTD]

Also, Wicked, what are you trying to achieve with those WIFOM questions?

[MTD]

First question isn't wifom. Second is an attempt to see if gg really believes what he's saying.

Was talking about the second one and this (though technically not a question):

Not sure why I, as hypothetical scum, would want to sheep the vote that had no reasoning behind it.

And to some extend this:

Why would I vote Lying Cat if I didn't suspect them?

Just something I noticed.

[MTD]

+1000 scum points.
1. Over defensiveness and over explaining things are not scum tells. Never were, aren't now, never will be.
2. You claim that you skimmed just enough of the thread to suspect me, the most popular choice, AND your reasoning is entirely unique. That is too coincidental for my liking. I think you wanted to join the bandwagon but provided new reasoning to avoid opportunism accusations. I do not believe that you came to the same conclusion as everyone else but for entirely different reasons.
3. You devoted three posts to explaining how you said I 'really am bad' rather than 'am really bad'. My desire for self defense is no different from your effort re: 179, 182, 186.

1. You are right, they aren't definitive scumtells, yet they do add up to a picture of you being scum.
2. I never claim that my reasoning is unique, neither did I claim that I read "just enough" for that, but srsly, the way you put it it makes perfect sense to me (?)
3. Uhm, what? I was just trying to make clear what I said in case you had misread (which I assumed, else it would be an intentional misrep), that doesn't fall under defensive in my book, I keep explaining it because GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.

/catching up

[MTD]

Uhm make that caught up (from page 7 that is, didn't bother reading the stuff before that), thought there was more left.

@MTD, wifom does not apply to either of those cases. There's no motive for me, as scum (or even as town), to do either of those things.

Well, you saying this gives one motivation, that's what WIFOM does. You are using the argument "I wouldn't do this as scum", which just doesn't work.

@mastin: So do I get it right that you townread vezok for (seemingly jokingly) disliking a ZZZX post

because of posting style

and then say that ZZZX is town for townreading Doduo,

which he is basically the content of the post vezok didn't like

?
That's pretty weak.

@vezok: I second Titus' opinion that your unvote made little sense, why unvote when you say that you still scumread wicked?
Since PN says they think like vezok they may answer this question as well.

[MTD]

@vezok: I second Titus' opinion that your unvote made little sense, why unvote when you say that you still scumread wicked?
Since PN says they think like vezok they may answer this question as well.

To make this more clear: It would make sense to me if he just had unvoted, like needing more time to think about things, but why vote mastin

and

say in the same post that wicked is scum?

[MTD]

@mtd: my vote is in the place it should be. Have you heard of pressure? Wicked is already scum. No need to keep my vote there when we pursue other leads.

Yes I have, I would rather have exerted pressure on wicked, though since I tend to not be dead sure about my scumreads, but fair enough I guess.

[MTD]

Can you explain your wicked scum _ reason?

It looks to me like you are being overly defensive and overexplaining things. Also, gut.

I know that is not great reasoning, but he does feel scum to me.

[MTD]

actually i wonder how many of you others dont understand your role pm either because #highschoolchemistry or #badatchem


how many others dont understand the flavor that comes with the vote counts lol

I was surprised I actually do understand stuff lol

@ZZZX: Before you ask, you will get your examples, I am just to lazy to look them up right now.

[MTD]

So... from what I can tell from 2 games with mastin (1 where she was town 1 she was scum), this feels like neither really...
In the scumgame she was just not posting much from time to time but never half-assed stuff like this.

And can you please stop posting at marathon-speed?

[MTD]

So... I think that MS/ZZZX exchange is p town from both,
@ZZZX: Why do you think MS is scummy?

(Pedit*6)

[MTD]

yelled at for a million times by now.

i am not that bad

Well...

Still horrible enough to give me that kind of memory.

Sooo, still a scumread?

Y'know what have your examples: I mostly didn't like Wicked's posts #149 and #157, they felt way too defensive (and idk, maybe serious?) for the given circumstances. #142 to a lesser extent.

(Pedit*5)

[MTD]

Ok Bert are you trying to have me vote for you? I loved Masyin's entrance and the only think cops do organically is evil.

How do you...

[MTD]

Jiffy, 408 read it.

MTD, how do I what?

I can't really comprehend how you can

love

mastin's play so far.

gut says MTD is scummy

sorry MTD

[MTD]

MTD, when I look in the mirror, except for Majiffy and V, I am generally getting the same thing back.

No idea what you are getting at.

[MTD]

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

[MTD]

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

You are kidding me right? Mastin is half-assing reads...therefore anyone who agrees with her reads is wrong? That is wrong on so many levels and screams of scum looking for some way to discredit Titus.

Lol, what are you even talking about?
I never said Titus' reads are wrong, I just said that it concerns me that having the same reads mastin called half-assed and bad makes Titus think she is town.

/1 more page

[MTD]

Spoiler:

Any chance of a case on cat?

And what do you find bad about

that

sentence?

LOLSCUM.

Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

Also, Wicked, what are you trying to achieve with those WIFOM questions?

LOLSCUM.

GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

So... I think that MS/ZZZX exchange is p town from both,
@ZZZX: Why do you think MS is scummy?

LOLSCUM.

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

I love this post.

[MTD]

The biggest problem I'm having with MTD at the moment is that he is responding from gut whereas his other (town) games are analysis heavy. Definitely could be scum here.

Heh.

This is a point I can understand.

a) Did you look at my scumgames so far? Afaict they were generally quite analysis-heavy as well.
b) Biggest reason for this is me learning. Seeing that my "analytical" reads were often wrong and I should often rather have followed my gut, I am trying that, at least until the amount of players in the game is such that I

can

form senseful reads in an analytical way

[MTD]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

Wat?

What are you trying to say?

[MTD]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

Wat?

What are you trying to say?

you think i am scumreading you because i think you are playing from gut. the point was not that i think you are playing from gut; i see that you are saying you are playing from gut (i.e. i don't believe you actually are) because even if you were reading people from gut you'd be analyzing the wagons and the direction other people are going in (like we are, like others are) but you aren't. the fact that this is an inherent quality of your town game means it should be present at least partially, especially if you say that this is something new you are trying, but its completely absent, so really the only answer is that you are lying.

Uhm, no?
Like, in my posts, what do you find?
I scumread wicked, partially for gut reasons.
I asked you for a case.
I questioned mastin's reads, I questioned vezok's unvote.
I talked about mastin-meta.
I townread ZZZX and SS.
I questioned Titus' townreading mastin.
The rest is followup to these I think.

So really, I see quite some "analyzing directions others are going in".
Not that much "analyzing wagons" since I usually do that with wagons that I don't like the speed of, which wasn't the case here yet.

[MTD]

empty questioning != analysis.

plus i agree with all of AP's reads which we arrived at independently so most of them are probably right

-.-

I agree with some of them as well and guess what, I got to them independently as well o.o doesn't mean they are right though.

[MTD]

1. You are right, they aren't definitive scumtells, yet they do add up to a picture of you being scum.
2. I never claim that my reasoning is unique, neither did I claim that I read "just enough" for that, but srsly, the way you put it it makes perfect sense to me (?)
3. Uhm, what? I was just trying to make clear what I said in case you had misread (which I assumed, else it would be an intentional misrep), that doesn't fall under defensive in my book, I keep explaining it because GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.

1. Two null tells don't add up to a scum picture, 0 + 0 = 0
2.

I

am the one claiming your reasoning is unique. And you can't argue with that - your only reasons were 'over defensiveness' and 'over explanation' both of which are things that nobody else had/has accused me of in this game. I still think this is an attempt to avoid opportunism accusations.
3. You answered your question in your own post. GG was attacking you. You tried to clarify what you had said because he was attacking you. I see a self-defense motive there. And not one very different from mine.

1.God, please do read next time, I did not say they are null tells, i said they are not

definitive

scummtells. They are things that make me lean scum.
2. Ok, I had not much of an idea what the others' reasoning was at that point but w/e
3. Lol, still very different. I got attacked

for

trying to clarify something, then proceed to clarify because I assume the attacker didn't understand. You got attacked for multiple things.

All in all, yeah, you might be nulltown.
UNVOTE:

Well, you saying this gives one motivation, that's what WIFOM does. You are using the argument "I wouldn't do this as scum", which just doesn't work.

I used the "I wouldn't do this as scum" argument, yes, but I also used the "I wouldn't do this as town" argument (in parentheses). There wasn't motivation for me, as either alignment, to commit the two actions in question.

Right about the first one.
Second one, yes there would be scum motivation, obviously (how

would

you even suspct them before voting?).
But ok, thanks.

I like GG as town.

mastin not so much, her posting didn't get any better, just more...

VOTE: mastin

I also don't like vezok's hop onto my wagon.

[MTD]

Any one of these three wouldn't be a problem. Any combo of two (or all three) creates problems. Vezok hopped onto MTD's wagon--fine to dislike, except Vezok's previous vote was on me, who MTD just voted rather than voting for Vezok. He votes the person Vezok is also scumreading strongly.

My posting doesn't get any better--not true, but fine. It also hasn't gotten worse, just more of it as MTD said. That'd be fine if MTD had a marked scumread of me, OR if MTD left the comment at just that. But MTD's previous thoughts on me were, "This isn't like either of Mastin's games I've played with her, but it's especially not like her scumgame", last I checked. Meaning that if my posting was weird-but-maybe-town and hadn't changed, MTD's position also wouldn't have changed.

I don't see why I would vote for any of vezok or you rather than the other one when I think one of you is probably scum but not both (?)

Nah, your half-assing in specific was "not explainable from meta", I didn't specifically talk about your towngame because the scumgame was closer to this (in the towngame you were invested and constructive). So, no. Also my position would have changed, it has. You posting bad in the beginning and then calling your own reads bad and half-assed

might

be ok, then continuing to play like that isn't.

[MTD]

Dammit, Wicked, I was expecting to get speedlynched now, you can't just break the chain...

The question was actually: "Why would I vote Lying Cat if I didn't suspect them?" There's no scum motive that I can see - I honestly have no idea why scum would vote somebody that they don't suspect. But Vezok said that he doesn't believe Lying Cat was my top suspect even though I voted him and expressed suspicion of nobody else. Vezok's thought process doesn't make sense to me.

Uhm, what?
How

can

scum even "suspect" anyone when they know who is scum? Or do you mean pretend to suspect?

[MTD]

MTD, I mean pretend.

Ok, nvm that then.

[MTD]

What exactly did that clarification achieve?


Seems to me like scummy fluff

I think that my gut read on MTD is not relaxing

It didn't really advance my scumhunting, but it was never supposed to either. It was originally an observation about Wicked's play (which I never thought to be alignment indicative), which he then explained and now all questions regarding that are clear to me.

That is a bad sign

Why?

[MTD]

if my undescribable (gut) scumread on you doesnt dissipate that means you are scum. lol

Ah you meant bad for me, not for you.

[MTD]

Also: Lolno

[MTD]

Hm, I don't remember much, but obviously I am being wagoned...

I'll be rereading.

[MTD]

This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.

lol.

[MTD]

This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.

lol.

Loling is also not exactly a town response to an accusation.

Go reference league some other time!

lol again.

Sorry but there is a type of accusation that is so forced that I just can't take it seriously.

[MTD]

They don't call me Beast for nothing.

Let's stop calling him beast.

Sorry, I am still not read up, but I think I like Doduo as town.
mastin is still scum.

[MTD]

hum.
So I am pretty much read up I guess, I don't remember any questions directed at me, so if there were any can you ask them again pls? thxalot.

I am not really opposed to a LC wagon, and since that seems to be a thing right now


Majiffy

might

actually be scum for buddying me early on when there wasn't much resourceful stuff from me.
If so, mastin would be town.

I

can

see this as town mastin by now, the reads are thought through, she is hunting off the forming of the wagons which seems quite typical.
UNVOTE:
Wicked is town, though.

I am unsure why she suddenly prefers a LC-lynch to me, though.

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

I am not really liking Titus, though that's more early than recent game, the more recent posts were decent.

[MTD]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.

[MTD]

VOTE: LC

mostly for lack of a better idea. And because they are scum of course.

[MTD]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Oh sorry, you already used that lifeline. You can phone a friend or use your 50-50

Open up your eyes
You must be blind
If you can't see
The gaping hole
Called reality
(Wanna do it again. I gonna gonna do it again. I wanna do it again. Come on.)

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.

[MTD]

mod: you have mastin voting twice, is that a mistake?

[MTD]

Ok, I agree with mollie, mastin/jiffy on the last pages looks town/town. It's terrible BS in large parts but it still looks town/town.
And yeah LC's timing for returning was great, especially since it was about the first time they were not in the largest focus of scumhunting in the last few pages.

Majiffy, you are not getting a mastin lynch today, so can you please leave that be and focus on finding scum (or other scum if you insist) ?

[MTD]

Read House Party and then give me that line again.

Not happening at least till tomorrow, so can you just tell me what you mean?

[MTD]

MTD is town. AP probably doesn't agree with me here. Buuuut I reviewed his ISOs in his last 5 or so completed games. 2 of them were scum games and the other 3 were town. I'm not going to reveal the tell because I'd like to continue using it in future games. As much as I want to scum read him for my gut, the difference is too distinct to ignore.

Please tell me this is not about readlists.

[MTD]

Thank you

[MTD]

It's just that I noticed that up to now I only did readlists in my scumgames and therefore I always fear people will use it as a tell when really it's mostly because I had more time at certain points in those games.

[MTD]

-.- I fear I will actually have to read through GGs posts.

It's just that I noticed that up to now I only did readlists in my scumgames and therefore I always fear people will use it as a tell when really it's mostly because I had more time at certain points in those games.

town. why the fuck would anybody highlight a scumtell that they know that they have.

beacause

I know it could be seen like that. You see, I would do that even if I was scum, because a)it's (IMO) not really a tell and b)you might notice I haven't done any readlists in this game.

[MTD]

Gg and titus scum together.

The convo between them feels forced.

It's shit like this that makes me doubt you are a mason.

...what does that have to do with being mason or not?

[MTD]

V/LA tomorrow through Monday

/inb4 50 more pages.

[MTD]

V/LA tomorrow through Monday

/inb4 50 more pages.

Can you give an update on your reads before you disappear?????

- Snork

Aye.
I think there is scum in {BPC,BC,LC,Titus}, one of Jiffy/mastin

may

be scum, although I still lean towards town/town there.

Other townreads are PN, vezok, GG, mollie.
Also Wicked probtown, though that's not strong since there was little from there recently.
I liked PVs posts.

[MTD]

Doduo pretty null, that's why I didn't list them.
SS and ZZZX slightly town for their exchange with each other, but for not much else.
Like, for at least Doduo and ZZZX there were people saying "Woah they so obvscum" which I just couldn't agree with, but they didn't look extraordinarily town either.

[MTD]

Welp, I am around, not read up yet.

[MTD]

Uhm, yeah I am around, have probably read anything and my head is empty.
LC's attack on Wicked without checking the facts was dumb and makes the impression it's for the sake of justify their continued vote on Wicked, which they btw never gave a case for
before 1575.
I mean he even went through the thread/ISO to get those links, and failed to notice the vote-change,

which he should have been looking for

?
Also a wagon there is not happening, so why vote wicked over mastin?

[MTD]

EBWOP:*everything, not anything.

[MTD]

Attention Townies

This is not something I would do if there was much doubt in my mind. This is not something I do lightly ever. This is something I will feel terrible about if wrong. HOWEVER. Mastin is scum. I just spent a couple hours rereading and I am certain of it. Mastin is scum. MTD is scum. Mollie is probably scum. Wicked is likely scum.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Mastin

Im not extremely interested in either of the leading wagons. I could lynch WickedDest if we aren't lynching mastin, but I really want to lynch mastin.

Uh, ok? Why not me?
Could you give some reasoning pls?

[MTD]

In case that wasn't clear, I mean why you want to lynch mastin or Wicked but not me.
Also, you are assuming some heavy load of D1 bussing.

[MTD]

God, I am so gonna hate you if you are wrong on this.

VOTE: mastin

[MTD]

mastin. IIRC correctly,

you

said that you and AP always read each other correctly. What about that now?

[MTD]

I will be V/LA from Tuesday through Sunday next week

-.-

[MTD]

Uhm, yeah I am here, not sure what to say, I am sheeping GG because mastin claims AP can read her well, and because I can imagine her being scum.
I don't want to lynch Marquis and it doesn't seem like anything else is happening.

[MTD]

I'm well set then.

[MTD]

Ok, I am back, I haven't had time to read yet, though.

[MTD]

Ok, I think I approve of the ac wagon, #2180 is terribad.

I have no idea what to think GG, apart from the fact that I have to hate them.

Can someone give me a case on Saki? I am not seeing scum there.

I think mollie is town.

[MTD]

Ok, I think I approve of the ac wagon, #2180 is terribad.

Then put down a vote.

Uh, could have sworn I did.

VOTE: ac

[MTD]

MTD- I see where you mean that. However, 894 finding Mastin town then 1890 deciding to sheep GGun onto Mastin is scummier to me.

... You do realize there are

nearly 1000

posts between that?
Also in 894 I said I could see mastin as town, not that she necessarily is.

No idea what to make of the claim, but I guess what Majiffy says is reasonable, so UNVOTE: for now.

I agree Wicked's wall is town.

So it's back to no real scumreads, doh.

Pedit: That's a nice reason for lynching me lol.

[MTD]

Also Bulba's case on Saki is damn weak.

[MTD]

How about that I owe mastin a favor and between you/Wicked, I think you are the scummier of the 2?

You owe mastin a lynch of her scumreads, to show they are wrong? Whelp.

[MTD]

Yep.

Wait, no it was that other thing. Lynching mastin's scum reads and getting really giddy at all the scumplaining over being lynched for the wrong reasons.

Heh, go ahaid then.
I learned a new word today.

Pedit: You made a post where you claim to show those "lies" and "misreps" and they are not there, so...

[MTD]

You made a post where you claim to show those "lies" and "misreps" and they are not there, so...

#2218 sums things up rather nicely.

Yeah, that's the one.

[MTD]

uh, quote fail, you get it.

[MTD]

-@MTD Can you explain GG's posts about you?

Hell no.
Best guess it probs what Jiffy said (Meth).

But srsly, GG is suddenly finding hell of a lot of things about me scummy, considering that he recently said he mainly wanted to lynch me because he "owed mastin a favor". Why not make a fucking case about me from the beginning?

Also, lol at that LC entrance.

VOTE: LC

[MTD]

UNVOTE:

while I read up.

Sorry, had no internet yesterday for no obvious reason.

[MTD]

But srsly, GG is suddenly finding hell of a lot of things about me scummy, considering that he recently said he mainly wanted to lynch me because he "owed mastin a favor".

"Suddenly"
GG has been scumreading you for quite a while dude.

Read my post again.
"suddenly [...] finding a lot of things [...]", not "suddenly scumreading".

MTD, what's your read on Bulbazak?

Unvote. Vote: Bulbazak

Not sure, his opinions are often ok but generic, the Saki case still looks fabricated. I p much skipped the wall-war, though.

Good. Jiffy. Finally voting Saki.

MTD getting lynched will probably net scum as well.

For Jiffy only, is MTD own or scum?Why?

That sounds awfully like you are sure I am town, which is strange, given that you were scumreading me the entire game.

can we make beast wagon a thing

I would be ok with this, it's not happening, though.

Vote Count 2.9

Bulbazak - 1 (Wickedestjr)
Lying Cat - 1 (MTD)
Marquis - 1 (pirate mollie)
MTD - 5 (PeregrineV, Guilty Gunsmith, Bulbazak, Speedy Saki, ac1983fan)
Speedy Saki - 5 (Marquis, Titus, Majiffy, beastcharizard, vezokpiraka)

Not Voting: Lying Cat, ZZZX

8 to lynch. Deadline is in 5 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes.

I hate this VC. I don't want to vote Saki, I really don't.
LC isn't happening.
I'm not voting Marquis.
whelp.

VOTE: Bulba

This is the only other thing that enough people have expressed suspicion on that it might actually be a possibility.

[MTD]

Not sure, his opinions are often ok but generic, the Saki case still looks fabricated. I p much skipped the wall-war, though.

What opinions are generic? There seem to be an awful lot of people saying that, but then they won't back up their statement when cornered.

later.

Good. Jiffy. Finally voting Saki.

MTD getting lynched will probably net scum as well.

For Jiffy only, is MTD own or scum?Why?

That sounds awfully like you are sure I am town, which is strange, given that you were scumreading me the entire game.

Where does it sound like she knows you are town? She's stated pretty clearly that she thinks your lynch will net scum.

Uh, I might have misread that, I understood it as "it's not a scum lynch but it will get us to scum".

I hate this VC. I don't want to vote Saki, I really don't.
LC isn't happening.
I'm not voting Marquis.
whelp.

VOTE: Bulba

This is the only other thing that enough people have expressed suspicion on that it might actually be a possibility.

I hate this reserved vote, because if my lynch would happen, you could always say that there were no other good options come the next day and walk away from any responsibility.

Ah, yes, but you know what? that doesn't make it a bad vote.

[MTD]

Not sure, his opinions are often ok but generic, the Saki case still looks fabricated. I p much skipped the wall-war, though.

What opinions are generic? There seem to be an awful lot of people saying that, but then they won't back up their statement when cornered.

later.

Actually no, I'll take that back, sorry.
Just looked through your ISO and couldn't find it, had that impression for some reason.

Bulb looks townier in that light
UNVOTE:

Also, mollie, as far as I can see there was not much interest in a LC wagon recently, u gonna stay there?
Ah, to hell with it
VOTE: LC

[MTD]

btw,

@BC: how far are you with reading up?

[MTD]

It feels like mtd is trying his best to ignore the wagon on him and I don't like when people ignore wagons on them. It's too aloof for my tastes

I am indeed ignoring the wagon on me, what else should I do about it at this point?

[MTD]

whelp, problem is, I don't want the Saki lynch so I can't really offer an alternative wagon.

GG seems intent on lynching me anyway.
ac is probably scum.
@Bulba: did you ever say why you are voting me?
PV stated it was a Poe vote, i can't really argue against that except that
@PV: you should consider rereading LC. And beast. I don't like beast.

[MTD]

whelp, problem is, I don't want the Saki lynch

why not

cause I would prefer a scumlynched.

I am quite unsure where to vote myself.

[MTD]

I dont see the dependency. Would you care to elaborate?

The deadline. If either MTD or Saki were town this clise to the deadline, they'd vote each other as no other wagon is likely.

/still hoping for LC wagon.

[MTD]

Ya, thanks for the game Anti, Gg all!

Sorry...