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What did you vote Titus for then, Mala?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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we lynch Titus today and Mala tomorrow. Make it so.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you are claimed scum
and you need to ask why I want to lynch you
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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oh ok...I get it now we are leashing your kill. major derp on my part.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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stop being an idiot CABD, I'm town.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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*presses Inno Child button*Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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indefinate v/laOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't think it will be any longer than 2 or 3 days. If it is then a replace is totes understandable. In 2 days I'll deffiantly know more about my situation. I've seen players go v/la for WEEKS so I don't really get the big deal over me needing a lilttle break while I take care of some shit.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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will be back on MondayOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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the night 2 flavor matches the night 4 (it should be night 3) and the Thad kill so one team shot all of Thad, twie and pidOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you make me sad Bulb.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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FIFY!In post 3232, PeregrineV wrote:Marvel Universe (The Rufflig, Squirrel Girl,???,????) kills:
night1- ThAdmiral
night2-TWIE
night3- pidgey
DC Universe (Viomi, Titus, ???, ????) kills:
night1- Squirrel Girl
night2- blocked or something
night3- Metal SonicOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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What even is the case on displaced?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm leaning scum in this list 'cause no sane scum would shoot MS unless they felt threatened.
I still think Mala's play is INCREDIBLY scummy but since Bulb is vouching for her then I guess we can leave it alone and revisit a few days later if the game isn't over yet.
I'd be good with any of the other three. Could be WIFOM though but *shrugz* But the selective scumhunting case makes me think that he's MU but it was DC that shot MS. I'm going to sheep MS in all games if there's multiple scum in this list.
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Is there a list with all the current clears or do I need to make one?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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dude, no one is going to hammer you and if they did they'd get lynched the next day so why are you sorta freaking out?
But I WOULD like to hear some reads n jazz.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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WRONG GAME!In post 3302, RachMarie wrote:No, not ignoring, getting frustrated with our net issues We have had to restart the router like 8 times today, going to have NS talk to the cable co during the day hours after he wakes up.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why do you have 3 MUVA picks but two DUVA picks?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't quite understand what we need to discuss?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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he's either vt or not vt soooo....idkOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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My echo sounds like Chandra Nalaar.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Never realized you were gone.In post 3327, ZZZX wrote:Ok I am mostly back. I will quick read and post now
ZING!Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So why the vote?In post 3339, Chandra Nalaar wrote:I don't actually think displaced is scum and never have.
Why do you think scum HAVE to be on your wagon? I have a 0% of flipping scum so w/e. I agree that Vezoks vote is suspicious and I don't really like Moz at all.In post 3330, displaced wrote:
I have a scum read on Moz, I have a town read on Nero. In the unlikely event Moz is town, I would have a scum read on Nero. How can you not follow what I wrote in that post?beastcharizard wrote:
That was the point of my post. I still want them to defend themselves though.In post 3322, Josh_B wrote:
That's not confusing, That's a slip.In post 3321, beastcharizard wrote:
You say Nero could be scum on your wagon yet they are not one of the options on your list of scum picks. That is confusing.
Now that Vezok has voted me, he would go in the same category as Nero, a town read, but potential scum if Moz is town. SKOT and Josh are strongarm townreads and Bulb and Chandra are conftown by role, so scum on my wagon is in [Moz,Nero,Vezo] with Moz being overwhelming favourite. I wouldnt lynch either Nero or Vezo without a Moz flip first.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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All aboard the Moz train. choo-choo!
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lol noOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Yea, I'm not down for a PV lynch based on something scum said.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm in agreement with Josh here. There's no evidence to suggest an sk like at.
I'm sweet as Maple syrup and I taste as good as it too.
Moz thinkin' we had a full cop AND two faction cops is p horrible so I'm happy with my vote.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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lololololololololololololololol
I'm saying that you were being purposely dense but thanks for the OMGUS vote.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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like the whole "well I only thought there was on faction cop" looks a bit like a backtrackOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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To argue with scum or to not argue with scum. hrmmm....
In post 3373, Nero Cain wrote:Moz thinkin' we had a full cop AND two faction cops is p horrible so I'm happy with my vote.
Like you knew this was MB. I think you can figure out that if we had one faction cop then the other faction would have a cop. So you thinking Bulb was a full on cop is *head desk* BUT then you told me in 3374 that you didn't think there was a full cop and two faction cops. In what world would there be a full cop and only 1 faction cop?In post 3374, mozamis wrote:I didn't think there was a cop and two faction copsOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I can understand that but me pointing out this flaw in your logic and you go "oh oh oh SCUM!!!" doesn't look pro-town to meOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Have you done mala yet?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why would you want to get back to lynching displaced if you have a scumread on Moz?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm a lilttle conflicted about a Moz lynch 'cause I kinda like him owning up to his mistake and his bad vote. Though he hasn't been scumhunting today wich bothers me.
I think "posting it up elsewhere while ignoring a specific game" is a pretty good scumtell. I used to actully think it was THE best scum tell but lately I've seen some town flip for this.
AJ, why is displaced a mislynch?
but aronis LIED.In post 3413, PeregrineV wrote:
OK.In post 3397, BulbaFenix wrote:Cabd, Chandra, and Mala are conf. town. Period.
Please see just finished star wars game.
Rach, what is your read on Josh?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yes, we are lynching you.In post 3459, vezokpiraka wrote:
I agree with pere here.In post 3452, PeregrineV wrote:
Perhaps a color update to this, like Rach is not Red (DC) scum, etc.In post 3397, BulbaFenix wrote:Cabd, Chandra, and Mala are conf. town. Period.
Also are we lynching anyone?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I could buy an AJ scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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fake derp is a p common thing on this site.
cabd-weren't you scumreading Josh on d1 'cause he was being derpy about something?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't think Josh is scum btw.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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1 shot tracker is kinda yuck.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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he said no.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I disagree but its likely fake so no big deal.
Also someone asked if AJ thought this game had a 3rd party, she was sk hunting a few pages back.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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shit....Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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actually...I think PV may have hammered.
^^^^In post 3520, jasonT1981 wrote:mozamis 7 - Chandra Nalaar,vezokpiraka,Sharpest-knife-on-tree,RachMarie,Malakittens,Aunt Jemina,PeregrineV,
Displaced 4 - BulbaFenix,Nero Cain,Josh_B,mozamis,
my vote is on Moz, atleast that's the last person I was voting. I'm sorry that I didn't notice this before.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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but its scum so his read list would just be WIFOU unless teams are 4v4 and even at 4v4 a reads list is still WIFOU...Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think AJ was no killing and saw two kills and that's why she knew there was an sk.
AJOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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oh hehe, you are funny as scum, AJ but more after dinner and throughout the week.
SRSLY, I'll be here all week until Friday when I have oral surgery. And then I'll be v'la that weekend 'cause that shit hurts like a bitch. Also if anyone has access to and drugs that would be appreciated.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I believed youOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Like, the AJ whole AJ SK thing is pretty sketch to me. I know that myself DIDN'T buy the fact there were only 6 scum in the game. Guessing that we have an sk in the game isn't horrible but...
In post 3577, Aunt Jemina wrote:It is also possible that we have a serial killer in addition to the vigilante, and that there was akill not listed last night that failed.
That doesn't make a ton of sense to be coming from town.
In post 3586, PeregrineV wrote:Would prefer displaced over AuntJ.
Why?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I would like it to be known that I like Cephir better on this account.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why the change of heart?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 3635, Aunt Jemina wrote:Occam's razor, deary. Which is simpler: there are three killing factions and one faction's kill has failed to the various different methods a kill can fail (I can see at least four: Squirly roleblocking the kill, the killer targeting Squirly's jailkeep, a kill targeting BulbyFenny as they hide, and Kotty's protection; at the time, the possibility of a roleblocker also existed adding that to the list), or one source of kills deliberately chose not to kill?
One thought process has multiple different explanations that lead to a highly-probable outcome. The other requires a convoluted thought process that necessitates the abstaining party to forfeit one of their most valued assets for minimal to no gain. And these are the only two explanations with a serial killer, as there was no kill overlap. (Jason has a very distinct method for kill overlaps.)
It makes perfect sense coming from town to assume a failed kill. What doesn't make sense from town is to assume a deliberate choice to not kill.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this said on d2? I'm a big fan of OR and I agree that guessing that a game has a sk in it is a some what safe conclusion (I tend to think that a lot of large games have 1) but guessing that a kill is missing...I dunno how uninformed townies would "guess" that.
Also I'm lockjaw an x-shot commuter.
AJ claims next.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So, I was a lil' ticked at the modkill but it saved me the embarrassment of getting ran up. I do think Jason made the right call in stopping the game but it was still handled pretty badly. The modkill worked out though since I would have been lynched anyways and if they had waited on me I would have stalled the game.
but I'm never listening to my scum buddies again. Every game that I do something bad happens. I also wish I had been reminded of were the flavor game from.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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