MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

xRECKONERx · Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:17 pm

because i have had like no scumreads this entire game

xRECKONERx · Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:22 am

In post 2678, Flipping Awesome wrote:
In post 2663, Tammy wrote:Can someone talk to me about reck? Like I play most of my games with hoe people play inconjunctio. Tigh how I've plated with them in the past. So I expect for Nero to yell at people as he has. I expect falcon to meta read people, have you I'm sorry I'm pretty drunk right now, but I'm still feeling like I should have never fucked up the way in takes like I did and maybe just maybef I didn't there we'd have run that game and In the few moments when I can get empire to talk to me he tells me my little paranoia bits are stupid snd I just want to listen to him. But what was I saying OH look at the reckoning. I totally used the red wedding game for why I thought reck was town. In fact, Cdb, Mille and I discusse it and Cdb tried to use it for eh I sjouldny be using it to town read him. He said that reck would basically try to meta duck on that. Will you look there and he? Am I being insane? I don't know if joe I'm bring meta ducked on that. I'm like just look and tell me?
You didn't fuck up Tales, I did. But no point dwelling on it.

Anyways, on Reck, I actually attempted to read him through meta by going over Red Wedding and The Reckoning (although I don't know how many of the posts from his hydra were him and how many were his partner). I find Reck hard to meta-read tonally or based on content since his towngame isn't something I can relate to and he is one of those people that are difficult for me to pick up differences on just based on cold meta. The notable thing I noticed was what you discussed earlier regarding his hammer D1 on Metal Sonic. I remember him asking MS for a short case and then voting Generic based off of it very casually and I don't like that he basically did that with UT on D3 saying that UT was manipulating him. But it isn't conclusive and I'm not sure. I also don't get where UT got this really strong townread on him either. But yeah, I'll look through it again and post more thoughts on it.

#1) All posts in Reckoning III were by me, Grimm was just commenting, I was posting.

#2) I don't get why people are using probably two of the least useful games for meta ever. RW was lurktastic bullshit which I've almost never done as scum and Reckoning III was

a game full of people who had literally just spent a week or more hanging out together IRL

which makes tone and playstyle different from a run of the mill forum game.

#3) Stop fucking relying on meta for fucking everything. Meta is useful as a guideline, SOMETIMES, but never as the crux or bulk of a read/case. Like holy fuck people who only use meta to justify reads are just bad players, don't be a bad player.

xRECKONERx · Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:23 am

In post 2699, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 2648, xRECKONERx wrote:because i have had like no scumreads this entire game
How come you've voted people?
-SleepyKrew

Because otherwise I'd feel too useless. And because I basically just went with the flow. I don't think I made any particularly controversial votes other than my thing with Sixty D1.

xRECKONERx · Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:27 am

In post 2698, Cerulean wrote:reckne is [robably actually scum here. Because in the Reckoingin III I called him town based on him not feeling like the Red Wedding, and CDB and Mollie tried to talk me out of that. Bit here he's lie OMG someonw is using the reckoning and the red wedding as meta for me, wtf are they doing? like seriulsy if he was town wiuld he do that? it feels like he's rying to set me up for something because in he reckoning when I used red weeding to town read him he totally didin't try to set me up but here he is and i don't know why? though like holy shit when we were partners is the red wedding he had a whole plan so maybe he does here; idk

um crap, i'm sorry i need to rethink everything.

I'm going to translate this as "Why is Reck concerned about me using RW meta here but not in Reckoning III?".

And the answer is because those two games are really bad examples of my meta (as I explained above), and also because I hate meta, so hearing it back to back two games in a row "BUT RECK IS NOT PLAYING LIKE RED WEDDING" really gets fucking old.

Red Wedding: I lurk as scum, win
Reckoning III: "RECK ISN'T MATCHING UP TO RW META SO HE'S TOWN", I'm town, win
This Game: "RECK ISN'T MATCHING UP TO RW OR RECKONING III SO HE'S PROBABLY SCUM", I'm town, ????

This is why meta is fucking stupid because it actually means fuckall and since my radio show last week where we ranted about players using meta to justify the bulk of a case I have a bad taste in my mouth for it

xRECKONERx · Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:38 am

Because this game has been rather dense for me. Lots of lurking and not a lot of activity I care about. Tim Howard was a slight scum read because they just flat out lied/misrepped some stuff but I was wrong. I've had a big streak of being very very wrong in games recently and it has lead to a big decrease in confidence.

xRECKONERx · Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:09 pm

Because they never expressed suspicion of me. My use of the ability was to try and use HOT OR NOT to dissuade people who suspected me from suspecting me -- akin to how I'd invent stuff to give my biggest suspects to keep them from suspecting me.

BTW MASHUPS & MAFIA FINALE IS LIVE NOW

xRECKONERx · Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:26 am

STOP FUCKING USING META.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:28 am

Like holy fuck. That's almost all you've done this entire fucking game. It's so bad.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:11 am

because even if those reasons are legit it's a hydra and it could've been empire

and regardless i just don't have any reasons IMO to townread her. i picked out things about you/NS that made me feel you were town, I haven't seen that from tammy

xRECKONERx · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:11 am

VOTE: Plum

UT would also be acceptable but I like a Plum lynch more.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:48 am

This sure was a lot of wall posts.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:38 pm

In post 2648, xRECKONERx wrote:because i have had
like
no scumreads this entire game

Tim Howard was the closest thing I had to a scumread but you can even see me second guessing and doubting myself the whole time.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:02 pm

In post 2813, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 2809, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2648, xRECKONERx wrote:because i have had
like
no scumreads this entire game
Tim Howard was the closest thing I had to a scumread but you can even see me second guessing and doubting myself the whole time.
Alright probably last question.
If your play has not been helpful to the town, and you are aware of this, why did you use your power for survivalistic purposes when there were (probably) better uses?
-SleepyKrew

I have two thoughts about this:

1) I didn't know how else to use my ability, my default play was something like survival, but...

2) I thought using my ability each night would confirm myself to that person, a la a fruit vendor, and given the power roles we'd be able to determine there was no way I committed the kills. A confirmed slot is useful.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:33 pm

I don't actually remember. Was it something to do with a deadline? I didn't think I had voted kanye, I thought I had pushed Nero Cain at deadline.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:05 pm

Then I don't remember. I play these games drunk half the time.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:08 pm

I'm not actually making excuses. I am SURE I had a reason for it at the time, but it was probably bad anyway.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:10 am

In post 2828, Cerulean wrote:Reck: Messenger (hasn't used), hot or not (n1 Sixty, n2 Venmar, n3 nothing, N4 NC, N5 tried to do Nero Cain again, then informed not able when less than 9 players, thought someone just said they got hotted or notted though, so I'll look back and figure this one out. But, why wouldn't Nero receive the message night 4? Bulletproof just means killproof here right? At my other site, that Faraday and I both play at, if you're BP there you're pretty much a 1 shot ascetic with proof against a killing ability, but here bullet proof is just against a killing ability right? Wait yes, because I've been bulletproof before and received a message over night. It was in Gundam seed, so if someone could clarify that it would be awesome. Anyway I do need to figure out who said Oh yeah I received Reck's thing.)

The only person who answered hot or not in thread publicly was Venmar, and I don't know why he did that.

Nero, can you clear up what you were told about picking hot or not, and what you chose?

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:53 am

Oh, duh, that just means nobody else picked Not.

Which means I guess Nero was unable to vote for me at all?

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:48 am

was this start of day or did you have a time limit or what?

Were you told you had to choose "Not" in thread if you chose it?

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:00 am

idk why venmar said it in thread then?

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:10 am

so your case is really only valid in the way you dislike my action, because I could see how scum would be survivalistic, but I'm unsure how I should've used my action when I had no scum reads?

Not doing much =/= scum
1070 I just forgot I guess? Like, scum OR town would / wouldn't make that post so it's null
"this post is fake" well ok I guess. can't really defend myself against you just having an opinion that is completely incorrect. it was so "fake" that NS replaced out so woo?
I thought Venmar was town yes. I was wrong. ITT, if town is wrong about someone's alignment, they're scum. LOGIC!

I also made Venmar one easier to lynch and he chose NOT over HOT. so your theory is that Venmar and I are scum together, I explain what the two things do, and he says "target me and I'll make myself easier to lynch instead of choosing HOT which would give me a pass for not voting you all day"

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:10 am

yeah so Faraday pm'd me and said the only public aspect is the mod announcement of the "shallow heartbreaker" thing so IDK what venmar was doing.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:38 am

In post 2844, Nero Cain wrote:Remind me of your case on Plum?

PoE

In post 2846, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 2843, xRECKONERx wrote:yeah so Faraday pm'd me and said the only public aspect is the mod announcement of the "shallow heartbreaker" thing so IDK what venmar was doing.
Didn't you already ask like 4 days ago and say you were told that NOT is posted in thread? Also the modpost about Venmar didn't happen until he posted NOT in thread. So NOT definitely has to be posted in thread.
-SleepyKrew

No, that didn't happen. Or maybe I misspoke.

I just quoted these two posts to the mods (just now):

In post 2004, Venmar wrote:
Not

In post 2005, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Venmar is a shallow heartbreaker. He will take 1 less vote than the majority to lynch today. This will be reflected in future VCs

And asked if #2004 was Venmar's actual response to the Hot or Not. The mod confirmed that it was NOT his actual response because the response isn't public, which means he already submitted NOT via PM and then posted it in thread to cause shenanigans.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:31 pm

In post 2852, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 1988, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Day 3: Pless dead!

N woke up to a racket. He'd slept in, he'd been so excited watching Eurovision that he'd eaten too much chocolate and couldn't sleep on time. Ah, well!

Anyway it turns out Plessiez's attempts to create a small setup had given him insomnia. Or something, idk. Anyway he was found dead outside with a bunch of ninja stars in his body. He was all dead and stuff!

Plessiez who was a BBmolla Fanboy and aligned with the

friends of mith
died Night 2.

Day 3 will start shortly!

In post 1989, Lost Butterfly wrote:

Day 3, VC 0
Not voting - (13):
Shadoweh, chamber, Cerulean, Zdenek, Plum, Nobody Special, Lady Lambdadelta, Venmar, Tim Howard, Untrod Tripod, Flipping Awesome,

Nero Cain
, xRECKONERx

With
13
alive it takes
7
to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:
27th of May at 9:00pm
Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-27 16:00:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

In post 2000, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Day 3, VC 1
Lady Lambdadelta - (4)
Zdenek, xRECONERx, Shadoweh, chamber

Venmar - (2)
Untrod Tripod, Cerulean

Not voting - (7):
Plum, Nobody Special, Lady Lambdadelta, Venmar, Tim Howard, Flipping Awesome,

Nero Cain
,

With
13
alive it takes
7
to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:
27th of May at 9:00pm
Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-27 16:00:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

In post 2005, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Venmar is a shallow heartbreaker. He will take 1 less vote than the majority to lynch today. This will be reflected in future VCs
There are three modposts, including one actual VC, and a significant amount of time, between Daystart and the declaration. The declaration
was
the first modpost after Ven posted.
So yeah I just can't believe you.
-SleepyKrew

OK then either you're scum or you can yell at the mods after.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:32 pm

I fking hate FA using meta every post. Please just lynch me. Not much time left. Over the amount of morons in this game.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:08 am

VOTE: xRECKONERx

I'm the lynch anyway and I'm not going to trudge through and arbitrarily check this thread to keep up a charade. I'm the lynch for today, and you're all getting snowed by the last scum. Good job, scum, you've played quite well. Unless you're SK/NS, then fuck you.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:27 am

Your mother.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:35 am

Nope, I'm town. Just like I said. My fate was sealed and I wasn't going to magically have a different opinion on anyone so fuck it.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:31 am

Oh look that's cute

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:33 am

I guess this will show me to claim honestly because morons will say IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

ALSO MY PARANOIA ABOUT UT WAS RIGHT.

ALSO I HATED MY ROLE
Okay maybe not hated it but honestly htf do I use that

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:39 am

In post 992, xRECKONERx wrote:I really don't like that quadz's opinion about the me vs Sixty thing seems to just boil down to, "That was interesting but here's why it's null."

I'd be
very
interested in hearing him expand on what he means by, "They both made some good points, they both made some bad ones." Which points, specifically, did you think were good or bad from either side?

Cerulean is my first bonafide town read this game, HOORAY!

Given my recent track record, that probably means they're scum!

Kill me

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:22 am

Plum was a hard read for me and calling her scum felt lazy, but I just could NOT read those walls.

UT, man, I should've just gone with my initial read instead of backpedaling and, once again, getting blinded by someone stroking my ego. LLD should've screamed at me to snap me out of that, she was my only hope.

Though I said Cerulean was town, near endgame, I started to wonder exactly

why

they were so "universally" town, and the whole Tammy meta shit was not flying for me. I should've acted on it, ugh.