The Wire Season 1 Mafia: Baltimore Police and Omar Victory!

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vote: justin playfair

why the fuck are y'all playing checkers on a chess board?

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Sup

Not voting cause I'm a rebel

it's all in the game yo

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i'd be shocked if scum didn't have a barksdale fakeclaim

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Alright, lets go bust some Gangbangers.

I expect the gang to be eliminited and off the streets by early august.

VOTE: sexydudes

lol what the fuck is this

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yeah but can you imagine who ever got McNulty sitting there and not being able to spam "what the fuck did I do?"

meh, everyone on this got good quotes. especially the barksdales.

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sala what color is your role pm

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VOTE: salamence20

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@mastin, dont worry baby we're here now. shhhhhhhh.

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yes we all saw you scumslip the first time sala

please be to dying now

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sala is scum

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cuz i mean the other option is he is town doing a ~reaction test~ but that would be pretty stupid

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Sala, if it makes you feel any better, I assumed we were scum in this game because of color and being a gang member.

So its an honest mistake, but we are having bacon sandwiches for dinner tonight.

-Fishy

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Ego and ease post.

Oh hey another scum

New site meta I am unaware of?

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It could be because it wasn't a reaction test, and you really did fuck up. I've seen it happen before, so it's not like it is outside the realm of possibility. And I know, I know, you are awesome at scum play and you would never do something like that, but maybe you did and now you are trying to do anything you can do to get away from it. Just saying.

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have you ever done the slayer gambit before sala?

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Maybe about Wallace, but I was thinking D'Angelo if we had a traitor. And given the speed of yesterday I sure don't see a reason to rush, especially now that your claim is out there.

did you even watch the show? wallace is the snitch. d shuts his mouth and avon has him killed anyway.

@ mastin: we didn't unvote because we weren't done talking to him

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vote: dr. pants

@ playfair: d never flips though so i'm really not sure what you're referring to.

fish thinks dgb might be one-way lovers to us because wallace's death is the reason stringer (you were right about that part i forgot avon was in prison with him at the time) has d killed

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oh yeah we're d btw

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not like you couldn't have deduced that from our first post what hey you never know

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Stop saying Wallace was a snitch. It's not true and it makes you look stupid.

Wallace was perceived to be a snitch because he was sent to that boys home that he later escaped from. The gang thought he was dropping dimes so String had him killed.

So he wasn't a snitch, just a product of the game.

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@ mastin: xilo is scum yeah but why the fuck are you townreading pants?

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the best part of this setup is that scum cant risk quoting their characters, which must be annoying as hell XD

i'd be shocked if scum didn't have a barksdale fakeclaim

yeah but can you imagine who ever got McNulty sitting there and not being able to spam "what the fuck did I do?"

these two quotes didn't sit well with me at the time. scum fakeclaims in a large theme are basically a given and every character on the show gets great quotes.

its just a shame that the game started with a slip, cause it makes the first day a lot less fun, even though it does up the win probability

you really think this is more dynamic than bookitty's reaction? read that last sentence again.

2 problems with your "gambit" salamance.

1) as a gambit its really ineffective. there are way better ways for you to test 2 reads. you would know that doing that kind of gambit, you would likely get lynched during the game one way or another, so I doubt its legit.

2) I can see Avon Barksdale being a fake claim scum has. I can't see Avon Barksdale being a VT. He's the king, he would almost certainly be a PR.

no no and no. he says sala should have known that the gambit would get her lynched eventually and somehow concludes this makes him more likely to be scum, and "he's a main character so he should be a PR!" is self evidently surface level. pants (ought to?) know better than that.

you would claim scum and then request replacement?

if this is actually a gambit, then put it in the pile of shit gambits that you should never do again

slandaar already took care of this one. he should have been pumping the breaks here but he wasn't.

for me, its that even if its actually a gambit, its one that allows for scum slips to occur with no penalty assessed. if you flip town then there is definitely info that we can get from the gambit, but after a scum slip like that (gambit or not), i would have my vote on you until you were lynched. if I can't use scum slips to hunt scum, then the gambit completely ruins my ability to scum hunt.

he actually drives full speed ahead

then DGB lied about why she's self voting, and this is a gambit

yeah, but if she was scum then why push for her own lynch? wouldn't she get mod killed for going against her own win-con?

if you flip town then there is definitely info that we can get from the gambit.

Name the info you gained from the gambit.

Any response of Sala being an idiot will promptly earn you my vote.

The gambit was bad but I think Salamance was correct in his reads. I basically plan on sheeping him.

DGB is either scum and pushing the attention she got from the Salamance lynch to appear like a self sacrificing town, or its some weird gambit and its going to get revealed soon enough.

"It's bad for town if I survive to lylo, lynch me now" is a really hard argument to understand. A quick lynch on DBG would also make for 2 straight days where town didn't scum hunt properly.

this post right here though? this is dat scum shit.

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I am picking up what you just put down there at the end Pants, how are you supposedly able to prove that you are a) Who you say you are, and b) that you are actually town?

-Fishy

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unvote
vote: bookitty

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Fine, I can call off Desp for the time being. I had a stronger scum read on another player anyways, and I would like to see how this plays out.

Unvote

Vote Boo

Pedit, did I just ninja myself?

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go-go gadget high-level hydra play!

:highfive:

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we weren't even talking about the game. we're just that fucking synced up.

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::High five::

Hydra dissonance? Fuck that shit.

- Fishy

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Yeah, yeah, we are fucking here. Still not lynching DGB under any circumstances, also don't see why we would want to on day 2 when there are bigger pigs to cook. Bookitty is where the aroma of pork wafting around the low rises is coming from. Shit is scaring off all the white boys from the burbs coming in to score. How's a [REDACTED] supposed to make a living out here like this?

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Someone explain to me how lynching town is ever a good thing. I get how a townie might need to die at some point in games, but is day 2 really the fucking time for this?

-Fishy

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Is this setup bastard?

If I know DGB isn't a lynchee and wants to be lynched, I can go along to give myself more time to read.

I'd rather lynch someone else though.

You should totally help lynch a townie to give yourself more than the 8 days (?) we still have left in this day period to read the 19 pages that constitute the game at the moment. That sounds like something any ol' gang banger would do.

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How do I

know

? I don't.

Why do we think? Because this play from scum makes no sense. The only way it would help in the slightest is if DGB, Sexy Dudes, and Gott are scum together and DGB flipping soft clears the other two because of the "neighborhood" they shared.

My only other rabbit hole idea is that DGB is a one-way lover to an uninformed character that is known to be in the game. We would make sense for the character, but the idea is so convoluted and farfetched that if I am right about it then brafuckingvo scumbags.

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that's probably something they would keep to their scum pt

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RSD, we'll be around.

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vote: vezokpiraka

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anyone (ahemmajiffyahem) who thinks there's a sliver of a chance of us being scum to dgb traitor after our conversation with playfair and claim is fucking delusional

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Prod dodge. Will try to get into this game soon.

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If we don't lynch Muffin, I'm probably gonna replace out, I can't really play this game in good conscious.

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molla can you explain this a little more? i feel like i missed something. why would toasty have flipped bookitty yesterday?

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like i thought the issue was that he flipped dgb when dgb was actually still at l-1

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Prod acknowledged. I am lost and my hydra partner has left me high and dry. I will catch up when I can.

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what are you talking about? we are lynching vezok.

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what are you talking about? we are lynching vezok.

He's claimed doctor, so there better be something more than a slip.

how about him doccing us n1 making absolutely no sense from a town doc POV?

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i also didn't realize this until just now because i had no idea who roland was and couldn't be fucked to look, but if we're also in general agreement that flavor and roles are linked then wee-bey as a doc makes negative sense

we actually caught a vig softclaim that we assumed was wee-bey (guess it's slim instead) to give you an idea of how little the flavor fits the role.

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agreed. we were expecting town power to be concentrated more in killing/manipulative roles

^another reason vezok's claim shouldn't be trusted. scum would know this better than anyone and be more qualified to speculate whether a doc exists or equivalent exists

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no, because justin was speculating that d was the traitor and not wallace, and then we claimed d. and then avon flipped vt. and so on.

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so salamence did some stupid gambit and then claimed avon barksdale, the leader of the barksdales (the townies) and vt. he flipped avon barksdale vt.

in the middle of that happening justin was speccing on traitors and said it probably wouldn't be wallace (the role that dgb the traitor flipped as) but d'angelo barksdale, avon's cousin. except we're d'angelo and we're not the traitor and we didn't even make sense as the traitor from a flavor perspective to begin with so we were like "that's stupid and btw we're d'angelo and not the traitor"

so like i said avon flipped vt and we claimed his cousin, the 2nd most important barksdale. common sense would lead you to believe that we're a vt.

so not only did justin think we were the traitor flavor, we were basically a confirmed vt. and he docced us because...????

because he's a scum doc who legitimately thought he had found his traitor.

~SHOCK AND AWE~

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bingo

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Well I strongly disagree with the assertion that you are an obv VT.

d never actually...does anything. neither does avon, it's actually kind of the point. they just reap the benefits. so i strongly disagree with your disagreement, or whatever

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The only thing is though, that DBG flipped traitor. So at that point, if he is a doc Justin would have known that you likely weren't a traitor as well, and since you claimed, you made sense to doc.

vezok said justin docced us n1. dgb claimed wallace d1 but that is what spawned the "wallace isn't the traitor d is" spec from justin. the dgb flipping traitor part came after justin docced us.

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stuff

that order of events is messed up since vezok is claiming Justin protected you n1 and all that stuff happened D2 (and im pretty sure Justin didn't even post D1)

you're right

if anything they actually just support my theory even more because anyone even remotely knowledgeable about the flavor (and justin made it clear he was) would have known that my first post was a d crumb which means he docc'ed us BEFORE we had a chance to tell him his traitor theory was wrong

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1) Why would he doc a maybe-possibly traitor over anyone else on his team
2) Why are you so sure he actually is a doctor anyways
3) You are giving way too much credit to people's ability to be aware of things.

1) and 2) there's a pretty good chance that he isn't and him "doccing" was something to do with possible recruitment
3) no i'm not. justin's entire presence in this game was flavor related.

because anyone even remotely knowledgeable about the flavor (and justin made it clear he was) would have known that my first post was a d crumb

Ah yes, anyone even REMOTELY familiar with The Wire would totally remember a single line from the 5 season series!

And by the by, Stringer is a much more important character to the Barksdales than D'Angelo.

d's checkers vs chess monologue is like, the thesis of the fucking show. you cannot have knowledge of the wire and not know about it, period.

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and why would justin as town doc someone who (in his eyes) claimed traitor?

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The traitor flip might have something to do with it.

the traitor flip that happened after he claimed to have docced me?

zzzzzzzz

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if you watched the show and you don't remember d explaining to poot and bodie and wallace how they are the pawns and avon is the king and etc. etc. then i don't even know. they refer back to it pretty much the entire fucking show.

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and it's not like it happened in the first episode or anything

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i soft d'angelo in my first post

we lynch sala

justin doc's us n1

dgb claims wallace d2

justin says wallace isn't the traitor, it's probably d'angelo

i tell him no

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Look Desp, your entire point falls apart when you predicate it on someone remembering a line from the show or even bothering to notice your RVS post.

not when the person i'm talking about did nothing but flavor spec that my role that i softed in my first post was the traitor and he said this after he claimed to have doc'd me

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Then again, you also have these strange notions that D'Angelo is the "second most important" character in Barksdale which is really fucking retarded.

the 2nd most important barksdale, not in the organization, and my point was that avon and d don't do anything they just reap the benefits of the organization which is why they make sense as VTs

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Ok so you still expect him to notice your crumb for anything to hold.

given justin's behavior in this game you cannot argue that this is an unreasonable expectation

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is stringer's last name barksdale? no.

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you're the one who isn't reading what i'm writing. i never said d was the 2nd most important person in the organization, i said he was the 2nd most important BARKSDALE and that this supports the idea that avon vt = d'angelo vt

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I'm going out for a smoke. You're a complete fucking moron.

blow me

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i've played with justin-scum before and you're flat out wrong, pal

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Plus, D did a lot more in the organization than Avon. Avon sat at the top and kept away from the daily business BECAUSE HE WAS THE FUCKING HEAD. D was ON THE FUCKING GROUND. MOVING SHIT.

no, poot and bodie and wallace were on the ground moving shit. d was a middle manager.

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If you're town, I expect you to drop this stupid ass fucking argument and point to ACTUAL REASONS IN-GAME WHY VEZOK OR JUSTIN ARE SCUM.

Because VEZOK LOOKS TOWN AS FUCK

AND YOU ARE DISTRACTING FROM REAL SCUM LIKE SKOT AND MASTIN.

vezok does not look town as fuck you buffoon

and if you think i'm "distracting" from two vanity wagons then go ahead and keep thinking that--i don't give a fuck

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Also mastin still being alive makes me feel weird.

he says, on d3 after doccing him n2

so town, much wow

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If you are town, then you shouldn't rolefish and fence sit.

I thought mastin was town, but I changed my opinion today. Now she's nullish.

amazing town play vezok

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first post is him telling anatole not to fencesit, second post is him fencesitting on mastin

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and there's no explanation given for how mastin went from town to null other than her being alive (after he docced her) makes him feel weird

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"My read changed" is not a fencesit.

...yes it is. he is literally saying "i thought mastin was town, then i thought she was scum, so she's null"

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which is fencesitting

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this is boring

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Give me a jingle when you guys decide to stop lynching town.

Venmar said he's coming back after he catches up so I'm going to sit out for a bit.

Both of these wagons are stupid and the Xis CW is pretty lackluster at best.

Let me know when you guys wanna lynch real scum.

Vezok still looks pretty damn town to me.

This whole argument is a distraction from finding actual scum. Like SKOT, or Mastin.

Yes, yes you are.

why don't you go back to doing nothing except tell us our wagons are bad and then blame me for "distracting" you some more? you might actually get someone else to vote SKOT that way.

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does it look like i fucking care, majiffy?

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oh no! i'm on majiffy's scum list that he hasn't received any support for today!

whatever am i going to do?!?!

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>flail

get lost

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cuz i mean the other option is he is town doing a ~reaction test~ but that would be pretty stupid

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or, you know, not

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Like, for example, Mastin and SKOT.

don't you think if anyone was going to bite on these it would have fucking happened by now? you've been mindlessly pushing them both as scum all day.

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Desperado is like "omg this guy is playing bad, hes scum" and I KNOW that is a gross oversimplification but its whats going down.

no it isn't

i am not saying justin's doc play is bad i'm saying it's internally inconsistent and doesn't make sense from a town pov. and so has vezok's.

but this is all "meaningless" or something so fuck me right?

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This point is not the main one, namely the concern that you were still "alive" after doccing you said before he claimed to be a doctor. It may have suggested that he fabricated a town read on you previously and claimed you as a doc target instinctively

dan gets it

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@ mastin: why the fuck are we still null? and why are you assuming vezok is town?

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You guys should nut the fuck up and lynch actual scum in Vezo.

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why the fuck are we not lynching vezok

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fuck no lynches

vote: skot

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why are you chucklefucks voting vezok when pants said he would switch back?

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i was talking specifically to sexydudes

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VOTE: Vezok

Guys are lucky ive got a few minutes.

Were lynching skot or mastin tomorrow please and thank you. Will also settle for messiah.

ps fuck this post

we're "lucky" that you've bothered to post something at the deadline after complaining about people "distracting" from a real scum lynch before basically not posting the two days prior to the deadline and then switching your vote for no reason?

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also I thought you were one of the people calling vezok scum

vezok is scum

again, i was talking to sexydudes

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Because were still missing a vote you twit

no, fuck that

you said vezok was town as shit

you don't compromise on town as shit reads just because

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Im sorry my fucking uncle died you shithead?

i'm sorry that your uncle died




but you're a hydra. and it's not like you said you were attending a funeral or had some shit happen or literally gave any indication that something personal had happened so you can shove your shithead bullshit up your ass.

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ITS EITHER NL OR VEZOK IM GOING TO VOTE VEZOK YOU SCUMPAINTING MISREPPING FUCKSHIT

what are you so angry about

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go fuck yourself seriously you are way the fuck over the line right now

no i'm pretty sure that's you

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that was literally unprovoked

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Fuck you then.

replace me

Venmar can either go solo or replace the whole slot.
Im not putti g up with shitheads who think I should put mafia before family obligations.

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i'm not a fucking psychic majiffy

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fuck no lynches

vote: skot

I think that's currently L-3 for both skot and vezok actually


5 each unless I'm counting wrong

Ad, Anatole, titus, slandaar, xisiq on vezok

These 4+ rsd on skot

mastin skot on xisiq

powerful on me

Who am I forgetting

majiffy unvoting skot at l-1 and voting vezok still makes absolutely no sense

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yeah you're right i missed molla's xisiq vote

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i want to know why adrien voted SKOT

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"if we have no choice" when vezok is at l-3? and SKOT has two votes was bizarre

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*three votes

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Why is RSD conftown?

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vote: theadrienc

this is the lynch we can believe in

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scum?

vote adrien

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never mind

vote: titus

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why is skot town?

He is the designated mislynch bait. Look at how he can't even string together 2 coherent sentences per post. I won't lynch people just for BAM.

this is really really dumb

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: SKOT

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pretty sure they would have been pr fishing on us because there is no one I'm aware of that considers fish or myself a threat

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My tentative scumteam callout for the record is SKOT-Anatole-Dan, but still fact-checking.

(It SHOULD be 3+traitor, since 4+traitor seems strong.)

no. 16v4+traitor is fine especially with all of the claimed town power

also fish and I both agree that something is off here

we just don't know what it is yet

adrien might be bussing

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Prod messiah?

why just us and not the guy you just started casing? xisiq hasn't posted yet today either.

@ pants: I'm glad you figured that out on your own so I don't have to explain to you why you're wrong. we had the SKOT compromise in the bag and then sexydudes voted vezok for no reason. we are actually glad they got nked because we were paranoid about a town/scum/traitor neighborhood. once my girlfriend gets back with her tablet I'm gonna take look at the end of d3 again and see what's what

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yes I can? all of those came before we decided to compromise

and a prod is a prod so i'm still not getting it but it also,isn't relevant so whatever

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when were you a counterwagon to scum?

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I mean, getting countered to the redirector doesn't really mean anything anyway but I'm still curious

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I know who the fucking scum is, Titus. I'm asking you to show me when you were the counterwagon.

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does you butting in mean you hAve a VC to show us,so,we can put this to bed?

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cuz that isn't what happened at all

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Vote Count #15

Dr. Pants

ReallySexyDudes

BBmolla

ActionDan

--mastin2 (L-6)

Titus

--Slandaar, zMuffinMan, Messiah Complex (L-4)

Slandaar

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zMuffinMan

--Titus, Anatole Kuragin, ReallySexy Dudes, Dr Pants (L-3)

Xisiqomelir

mastin2

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

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Anatole Kuragin

--Xisiqomelir (L-6)

TheAdrienC

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Not Voting: BBmolla, ActionDan, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TheAdrienC

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on August 28th, 2014 at 7:30 PM PST

same 3man titus wagon, no SKOT wagon in sight

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that isn't how wagon analysis works

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VOTE: titus

L-1

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pants did you not see titus ignoring all evidence to the contrary to clear herself because she was the counterwagon to the redirector?

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or.titus' General detachment from the game

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or her unjustifiable 180 on to the vezok wagon that you think is full of scum?

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I will be surprised if she flips town because she has played like scum. if your townread hinges on her flavor claim then I'll be right over there not giving a fuck 10 times out of 10

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Vote: SKOT

if we have no choice.

still feel like this vote was way out of place and a redirector and a roleblocker is pretty op

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lol @ mastin thinking a) we were the only ones to catch pants' crumbs and b) we would catch the crumb, manipulate his role for two,nights, and then announce that we'd identified the vig before he claimed.

seriously?

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VOTE: ActionDan

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yes, we claimed vt d3

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Unvote

I don't like how the other scum nominee is on the same wagon as me. I was torn between MC and AD but I'm starting to feel uncomfortable lynching AD for the time being. He's not off the hook yet though.

this makes no sense at all

who are the scum candidates?

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We aren't avoiding shit. So you are asking us about the Vezok/SKOT deadline shit right? Well, it is pretty simple. We were advocating for Vezok to be lynched at the deadline, and when we saw that people probably weren't going to move their votes to Vezok we compromised on SKOT. It was only after we moved our vote that people started to move their votes to Vezok. We were a little perplexed because the numbers seemed to be there for a SKOT lynch (several people were online and willing to move to SKOT iirc) yet people were acting like it wasn't going to happen. We actually had thought that there was a chance that RSD was scum due to the interaction and ended up being wrong.

We're having trouble nailing down a scum team in the game, but obviously from where our vote is we think AD is one of the ones left. The claim doesn't ring true to us and we think that he should see rope first.

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Mentioning what? That we had reservations about RSD? After Powerfuls death it was pretty clear that RSD was town, so the point was moot.

After you, we reevaluate.

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Lynching us will lose town the game. Bottom line. The fact that Adrien is so sure and is willing to so wantonly put a vote on us with 2 (probably 2) scum left alive is telling. I almost don't give a fuck though, I am ready for this shit show of a game to be over.

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Explain what you meant by that before I explain what I meant.

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This is Fish by the way, so if you think you are talking to Desp you are mistaken.

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A situation I am unfamiliar with. Desp has been floating the idea that Adrien is scum for a few days now, and I am on board with him. I think that it is very likely that the cops would have a watcher on their roster given the flavor of this game. Think about it, in the show cops sat on roof tops taking pictures of brothers doing drug deals. They literally sat up there and just watched the deals going down, taking pictures and cataloging the players in the game. It is very plausible that Adrien was able to "figure out" the odd and even thing because he just gave his role, leaving out the fact that he was not in fact actually town in this game.

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And game over.

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Muffin, is it you and Adrien?

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Dan. We are town. You were wrong. Quicker you wrap your head around that the better.

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So muffin. When you said no, was that because you are town or we have your partner wrong. Honestly we were thinking BB, but you could be scum too.

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gg everyone