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I dunno, I haven't read the other neighborsor, but what do you think the chances are of two town neighborisors. I guess that's out-guessing the mod, though. I'm only speculating because Juls seemed like it was worth voting the other one for a reason. Haven't read the neighborhood yet, so maybe she legitimately thought he's scum for other reasons.
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I don't really know what you're talking about.In post 2507, Feu et Vol wrote:i like jason and oversoul wagons but not skrew wagon
not sure what think of singer because i want to say setup thinking scum influence but that's also what i thought. but juls was scum. but. but but but idk
potential limited access because computer is blah as well as mafia motivation being blah but physical issues blah
Juls wasn't scum and I replaced her so what exactly is your thought process?
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Well you made it seem like you didn't know what to think of me when I've given you nothing to base a read off of, and then you go on to say that you had the same thought process but Juls was scum so I was wondering what exactly you were getting at. Seemed very waffly but for no reason because if I didn't give you a read in particular, you should just still think I'm scum based off of what you think you know?
Like, I haven't read anything yet but for now I can just assume there are two town neighborizors because there certainly aren't two scum ones.-
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Why not helium? Why are you concerned something happened to your action?In post 2589, Feu et Vol wrote:Desperado because there is no chance in hell they are scum. They haven't posted in it yet though which kind of concerns me that something happened to our action.
Why?In post 2608, Desperado wrote:if a neighborizer is scum it's feu hydra-
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Good point. Who wants to go back an find that info, though to make sure? LolaIn post 2651, helium-3 wrote:
more valuable than encryptor and day role cop...?In post 2648, Feu et Vol wrote:also iirc wagon on jason was big both scumlynchdays then shifted, i think jason has been some more valuable scum role
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Yes?In post 2707, Feu et Vol wrote:@Singer:
Where is the eta? Is it Marquis saying they are sick and have computer problems?
What was your reaction when Sudoku suggested inviting me to the neighborhood? At this point, I don't really see adding a '100%' townread being the right play?-
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Yeah but that happened four days ago. Why was Marquis still so against that idea? A lot has happened since then, and knowing that a lot of my doubt of your alignment may or may not have been subsided by allowing me to see what gave them such a town read on you. Denying me of that is forcing me to take the word of yet another one of my current scum reads.
Though Desperado ironically being recruited into both after Sugoku specifically said they preferred not to cross recruit means that I might be able to trust someone else.
Though in hindsight, it's seems kind of silly to not want to cross recruit because that only meant they had more information than anyone else in the game... that's very heavily scum motivated...-
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Yeah I didn't actually realize that was an option until Sugoku suggested asking of you would recruit me and by that point I figured it was more beneficial for me to town read you than you to town read me? I'm actually more upset that I overlooked the 'I don't want anyone else from the other neighborhood over here' comment which in hindsight is scummy as shut. I hate feeling manipulated and even more so when I don't really have a choice about it (since I didn't choose them to be in the neighborhood).-
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Oh, I wanted to recruit two people I knew irl to see if it would make a difference in how I might read them in the game. Having a town read on Desperado honestly didn't have much to do with it since I didn't have one, yet.
Recruiting you to our neighborhood also wouldn't allow me to see what Sugoku thinks is so town about you. The option for solo interaction with you is unnecessary when I can just get it in game and allow everyone to see it. To suggest that I would need it now to better my town read on you is scummy in it of itself.-
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My point about AtE was that it was completely unnecessary as a hydra to give us any explanation. He said he didn't want to replace out but if beast kept going who cares? Apologize to your hydra partner not us. It felt like a really contrived way to make us more sympathetic to his pressure/stress.
I'll look back at SKrew but pushing a wagon back onto a scummy player isn't really that town-telling?-
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Eh, I think it was pretty obvious that I didn't just think you were white knighting them at first? I actually believed you and then felt bad I hindsight because I wish I went with my own strategy (which I maintain was the optimal one), instead of listening to you. I very understandably interpreted your influence as manipulating because I saw scum motivation behind a lot of your suggestions.
You assume all I wanted to do was scumread the other neighborizor when all I did was ISO Juls and agree with her. So when I suggested a the optimal strategy to change that read, someone decided that was a bad idea. I can't speak for any of you so I don't know why you think I'm the confusing one for then thinking the whole situation is preeetty sketchy?-
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In post 2796, helium-3 wrote:
are you channeling scumgamma or towngammaIn post 2791, singersigner wrote:Lol maybe gamma plays all his games drunk because I feel like I'm channeling him right now-
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I'm don't really get your point...
I haven't seen any particular focus on you at all, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to go all button-pushing to get people to vote you? Are you upset that you haven't felt defended by anyone in particular? That can be upsetting but not really an excuse to go calling people scum for it.
What doesn't make sense about Juls' claim? Or rather, what makes more sense about Fue's?-
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1. That would be the dumbest/most transparent reason to vote for someone.
2. That's pretty not true? I ISO'd her and read the whole neighborhood QT and she definitely thought they were scummy for not just 1v1 reasons.
3. What do you mean list of claims?
Like, I could probably find reasons to think you're scum and vote you and not even look slightly scummy for it, but I don't need to? I just want to get this other paranoia out of my head right now and using my resources to do it.-
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That's pretty not true. I asked if anyone had put thought into it and even commented that I wanted to find out why Juls was voting them (not sure if that particular thought was in thread or the neighborhood, though). I looked at everything she commented on and tried to figure out if she was just speculating on game design or legitimately thought they were scum.In post 2877, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:What's worrying me about singer is the fact she entered the game and then right away was like "bam one of the neighbors have to be scum".
I certainly didn't give an ultimatum because it's entirely possible he did two town neighborizors to balance the unknown.
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I don't know. I'm pretty hung up on two people right now and pretty anxious about not being right which is why I was maybe hopeful that Desperado was helping me figure it out? I think I forgot about SAD and PN being in this game which is sad because that's two other people I have to read.
Jason has been pretty town today from what I can tell. Still not really sure why oversoul thinks I'm scum.
I also think it's pretty ridiculous to assume any replacement at this point will read 100+ pages please and thank you to whomever suggested that was me being lazy or scummy or whatever. I'm just asking the questions I feel like I should ask. It worked out semi-well last game and I'm hoping it will turn out equally well here?-
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Sorry missed it.In post 2929, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:In post 2913, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
So is this like a legitimate questionIn post 2506, singersigner wrote:what do you think the chances are of two town neighborisors
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"What do you think the CHANCES of two town neighborizer are"
Um...I don't actually know what your question is? I'm not familiar with Zach setups and if no one thought he'd do two town neighborizors I'd vote them in an instant. Then I started trying to see if Juls actually found them scummy or if it was just because of setup spec.
It's actually funny, because I didn't understand why she thought that Sugoku had to be scum with Feu until I came to the same independent conclusion. I don't think she's incompetent, so I kind of though that meant I might've been right, too, and went with it. It wasn't until Desperado joined both neighborhoods that he felt that way, too (as far as I know), so I probably should've pressured it more, I guess.-
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See Oversoul, I probably would've done something like this as singerscum and oversoultown. I wouldn't have needed to 'coast through a mislynch' as you put it.In post 2930, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Eh.
Actually gonna hammer oversoul. This day doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere and the bit of cold feet I was getting is overwhelmed by the fact that POE points straight to him, and the fact if he does actually flip town I have more incentive to start looking at people that are flying under my radar.
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I didn't really have enough if a handle on the game to vote either of them. I was really hoping they'd give me more to work with in the other neighborhood, to be honest.
But you're right, when Desp said that Feu's posts could've been faked, I should've just gone with my gut and I didn't
I also don't really have an opinion on what he will flip. I was just being snarky because he tried to call me scummy for something I very seriously would never do as scum-
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I didn't mean for that to look like I thought SAD was susp for doing that. I was just pointing out whatIwould've done because I had already commented on it to Oversoul.
Also, Sugoku, where did you hear that? Give me examples of where I've ever been able to obvtown myself on the forums because I honestly think you're full of shit right now. Mollie, I'm actually really disappointed in you because you should know better.-
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Yes, I'm disappointed that you wouldn't care to assess our forum game together to see if that's in any way accurate. You admitted you don't know me in forum mafia yet you're underwhelmed by my inability to ZOMGI'MTOWN everyone. You of all people in this game should be familiar with how misread I can be/have been with the game you're referencing (if only to reference how the hydra got mislynched in the previous invitational). I don't really need you to defend me so if you think I was trying to "shame" you into it, then ok you're weird?
To be honest, I don't even want to try arguing with you because I've seen how toxic that can be when you don't understand something that can seem pretty obvious. I didn't want to be wrong, so I didn't want to vote until I thought I was more right. If you think that's scummy, then vote me, but I don't really have another explanation for you so you're kind of going to have to deal with that one?
Or maybe you're just trying to personally antagonize me to get some sort of reaction out of me. But there you go.
What do you think of Sugoku being full of shit? I'd vote him off of that because that's the first hard evidence I've seen of either of them that I can say canonlybe coming from scum.-
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I agree. I spent the majority of the last day not realizing PN existed because they posted so little I glossed over anything they said. Vote parking and disappearing isn't exactly awesome if they're town.In post 2953, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:Bert has somewhat faded out of the game and I want him to get back in here and start posting more content.
Also I forgot to neightborize.
Also, also, you disappeared in our QT...? No comments?
Also, also, also, I forget who's in which neighborhood. Is it just us left? Who all is in the other one?-
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Ok I'm drunk. And I'm town. I literally don't know how else to explain this.
I'll do whatever at this point. I have the towniest of reads on helium, and a gut one of Jason, and other than that ifs's pretty much if it's not Sugoku/Feu I don't know who?
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Oh right. And so you thought you'd discredit me based off of one game (of my 40+) that happened 2+ years ago?
Checked the Bert thing. He's definitely quite active elsewhere but I don't know his history as a hydra. I'm not always great at maintaining activity on another account and have never played with Bert before so...?-
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Or imploding. Who do you think is town then? Who are you trusting? Have they been right so far?
Sugoku is actually probably town. I think I let confirmation bias get in the way when I initially read Juls' thoughts, but I can't see a lot of their recent arguments coming from scum anymore. I also think pushing a meta case on Bert is pretty town.-
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So you're choosing to ignore loads of game content because it was a chore to read through a page worth of posts? You didn't/don't have to be involved in it. I'm just curious as to what you thought about the points we each brought up. About each other and Feu.In post 3001, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 2995, singersigner wrote:I mean why did you only post once since I joined? Any thoughts on what's happened?
As I already said, I didn't feel engaged in it. It was like a chore to read through and I never felt able to get into the conversation.-
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Oh yeah, I second wanting to know helium's thoughts on the interactions in the other neighborhood.
@Jason...when you get around to reading the neighborhood stuff please share your thoughts. Oh both Juls/myself, and the hydra.
@Sugoku...it's kind of weird that you're giving such a vague range of scum suspects. "There is at least one OR two suspects in these THREE people." You even commented in the neighborhood about how you were sensitive to the prospect of "the day before lylo"...aren't you more concerned with figuring out who, first? What if there's only one, and then you waste your chance on the other two? What are your options outside of those three? You have such a town read on Fue, (assuming you're town you'd be including yourself), you've stated helium is a townread, so your last option is...me? Why not just say that there has to be two scum in [these four] and work on narrowing it down from there?-
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Just kidding, I forgot you kind of did a reread on your read of them. So I found this:In post 2903, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:
this is a good point and the main thing making me think they might be scum. that, and the fact they make sense from a voting POV.In post 2890, helium-3 wrote:apparently the only thing marquis knows how to do is push pushpushspuskhpush jason even though it's beoming increasingly apparent he's not scum. static scumreads that just PLOP sit there.
I don't really like how open-ended you're leaving everything...In post 2953, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:1) Sugoku Sugoi - Town
2) helium-3 - Town
At least one of these three are scum
3) Perpetual Nonsense
4) jasonT1981
5) Ser Arthur Dayne
At most one of these two are scum
6) Feu et Vol
7) singersigner (replaces Juls)
There could be two town neighborizers but I'm not buying that there are two scum neighborizers. That means there is at least one scum, if not more among PN, Jason, and Arthur. I have no idea who it could be.
Bert has somewhat faded out of the game and I want him to get back in here and start posting more content. Jason, I don't know. Skrew did go down saying Jason was scum and I am wondering if it is a bus. As for Arthur, I am townreading him basically for being right about Slandaar and Skrew.
If Fue is scum, it could be with PN or Arthur. I discount a Feu/Jason pairing. If Singer is scum, it could be with anyone. If neither are scum, then PN/Jason, PN/Arthur, and Jason/Arthur are all possible.
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I also really don't like that you're leaving it open for either of you to be right and not really taking responsibility for either being wrong. This is the worst thing about hydras.In post 3057, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:I am not 100% sure on Feu. Pie is worried that the game makes more sense with Feu as scum. I'm still hung up on their hydra discussion in the neighborhood thread and Marquis's emotional breakdown a while ago.
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This was directed at helium, btw, about thinking SAD was scum.In post 3061, singersigner wrote:Preview Edit...
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That's exactly what I was just getting at with Sugoku.helium-3 wrote:
typo? "legagic"In post 3061, singersigner wrote:Didn't you say that you thought they looked town for their legagic vote at the end?
what are you meaning to say?
i think mollie called something SAD "the most towniest he's been all game" or something to that effect.
i disagree. i think continuing to call one of [us/F16] scum without making any real attempt to sort + this new push on jason is scummy. the way he's presenting his reads just feels like he's leaving as many options open as possible.-
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I wasn't saying you were scum for leaving your options open, I was saying it was stupid and you shouldn't. I was trying to figure out why you were focused on those three in particular and why it seemed like you would care so much about how close we were to lylo while still having so many options left open.
My ultimate conclusion is based off of my gut feeling about your push on Bert.
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Why would I need to bother explaining why I felt like your arguments came from town when the first time you've been in the cross-fire has been with SAD?
I also already explained that my read changed because I took off my confirmation bias glasses and realized the only reason I was trying to rectify you-scum was because of Feu. *shrug* Sorry?
Also, from SAD's PoV, you kind of did the same meta argument on me? No really, but I still don't really understand what you're up-in-arms about with that regards.
I dunno, maybe just lynch me and take me out of the equation? I feel like the general consensus is that I could be scum with anyone so maybe just see that I'm not and go from there?-
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Why do I have to convince other people or go out of my way to give people town reads on you if they either already had a town read or at the very least not a scum read? No one questioned it but you but you're the only one who cares that I do it....
Ah, yeah, the misrepping me is still scummy, but I think it unconsciously happens with conf bias sometimes? Like, if you're town, then you know that to be true because you say you think I did it to you, too.
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I WASN'T AROUND WHEN JASON GOT HAMMERED
What was I supposed to do. I asked to be lynched instead, voted for my biggest scumread, and tried to get helium on my side. Now I'm scum for everyone else's idiocy? That's the biggest fucking load of shit I've ever heard.
Also, great, now I have to read another 15 fucking pages and will probably be called scum if I don't want to.
People need to stop calling me fucking underwhelming for not having much to say about the first 115 pages of a game I replaced into. Juls replaced out, who the fuck else would've replaced in at that point? Get it? No one. But that's ok, I caught one scum for trying to antagonize me, maybe it'll happen again.
I'll lynch anyone at this point. I no longer feel any sense of obligation to this game or town imploding on itself.-
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In post 3225, Feu et Vol wrote:Singer I want you to actually say something about the dual encryptors and dual neighborizers instead of just completely ignoring the setup aspect.
As in would you say I am scum setupwise? According to sugoi you keep saying it's got to be me but I can't even tell from what mentality you're making that from and it just sounds like a calculated repeat statement that I can't get any tonereads on which is also frustrating.
Pedit hint you're not making this any easier to deal with
Setupwise yeah I'd say you are scum. I don't see two town neighborizors, especially with opposite alignment encryptors. That's why I've wanted to lynch you first out of anyone.
I'll read the neighborhood but it probably won't be for a bit since I'm going out of town for a wedding through Sunday. Kind of figured this game would be over by then so sorry I didn't say anything before.
I'll vote for either you or Sugoku, though. Not going for SAD today. Let's see what tango scum want to do now.-
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Sorry, I kind of impulsively replaced in, saw I was town, tried playing, then realized I probably shouldn't have with the sheer amount of hydras and personalities in this game alone. That was my mistake but I had already offered to replace in because of the "quickness" concept, and feeling like I wouldn't have to be too invested, so if I lose this game, then more people are going to be mad at me than most, but at least I didn't have a heart attack over it? I wouldn't be the only one responsible for the loss, and I guess that's what I'm starting to take away from mafia. Go me.-
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