Suburban Warfare - GAME OVER

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SONIC BOOM

SONIC BOOM

SONIC BOOOOOOOOOOM

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The legendary hoopla is in this game

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MS do you ever do anything in the games you play?

yes.


maybe if you just took a look at my other games just down there....



see that last post button with Metal Sonic? yeah click it. fun stuff. good drama.

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All this theory talk seems pretty useless. Scum can hide behind that.

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this game is slow and boring

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if you want my meta look no further!

down the list has many

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also yay hi desp <3 desperado is awesome

this post is specially dedicated to you

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Mollie! I was in dark age of the law too, and pulled that same magic that I did in red wedding!


I was also magically lynched day 1 in that game, like in red wedding

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hoopla is a cake monster

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VOTE: spyrex

Discrimination

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maybe i should try using my brain for this game

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My last post was at page 20 ANd i Have 10 pages to read yay.

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My last post was at page 20 ANd i Have 10 pages to read yay.

why is that

cos I have seen you around

do you know why whining about post volume is a pet peeve of mine? cos it gives scum room to hide.

There was 10 post made in 1 day suddenly or something

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hello friends!

I am a town daycop, I copped Spyrex and I have a guilty result! Lets get lynching!

vote spyrex

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umm i forgot to make the size bigger


ah well

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~ 8 hours before i posted that

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= the time i complained about 10 pages

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VOTE: spyrex

Discrimination

This was more than just 8 hours ago.
You happened to guilty the person you're voting?

i decided not to use my brain

"meh, fuck it"

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ok, setup is 12:4, all non-vanilla

no multiball. come in handy.

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I am literally ashamed.

Not at the fact I'm getting lynched because thats what you do here.

I'm ashamed at the fact that pile of fucking worthlessness is going to end up being town. You kill him tomorrow. Period.

I'm even more ashamed that its not even pretend time. Every one of you is nodding like a god damn bobble head and parsing through my posts like its a rosetta stone not even taking that step back and looking at how little sense dipshits claimed daycop even makes.

Well, except AGar of course. Hard to fake that loving feeling when you know this is flipping town.

So, D3 when the dust settles from this segue into idiot town, godspeed. I really,

really

hope there's a vig because you need to burn through a lot of chaff.

I wish I could say more solid on scum versus bad versus needs to die, so I'm not going to bother. Farside is town. If Agar is scum, treat it like an innocent child. Bob is still town. 4nx is still town. Oversoul is meh, but still town. Mollie is town. Hoop is probably town. Nothing much changed in the last 20 pages except for filibustering ended us up here.

I'm a gangsta yo. I can send MS Paint drawings to a neighboorhood each night. I was excited because I finally got a silly role and was town and no god damn hydras to get this.

Finish it.

I can't read this for shit

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I don't think mollies vote counted...

We have lots of time to deadline why on earth would you hammer?

UNVOTE:

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What do you read about spyrex post

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To analyse that if I can read the end-post of confirmed scum even when knowing that he is confirmed scum without resorting to confirmation bias



Research.

To train if it is possible to pull similar gambit shit

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People analyse confirmed scum all the time. for example, after a lynch to look for partners and associative tells

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All right, all right, this is all a gambit. That I pulled stupidly because "lol fuck it not using my brain "


Good thing is, it was successful in gaining positive reactions, and town was surprisingly cooperative to help this through. Bad news is Spyrex reaction is inconclusive, I only have a ~ 65% confidence that he is town. And that some people are going to get irritated.


I'll write an essay on my findings soon.

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Ummm ahhhh I can hear you going *gasp* over there right though your computer screen

Please don't punch your screen this was a successful gambit by all means

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Ye I conftowned my slot and caught some scumreads and townreads but irritated some people lol

That's towards wincon but I guessi. Did it in a controversial way

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You let someone get mislynched. That is not worth it for any perceived benefit that you have no idea if your suspicions are true.
You were posting around the site, why did it take you so long to come back and reveal you were lying.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Agar

I knew I should have just trusted my gut on that damn claim. And then everyone started voting him and I felt stupid and self conscious that maybe I was the one being stupid.

I wanted to wait for spyrex to talk, before revealing. He took a long while


Yes I made a bad and horrible move and I totally deserve your votes and hate.

But just hear me out before anything goes to shit cause nothing has gone to shit just yet

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*actually he didn't take a long while. He posted within 24hours which is pretty fine.


The wagon took an extremely short while. I'm not sure that this particular trait is entirely my fault but I still am to blame for the whole "confusion and mess up"

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Like I can replace out but that would be pretty irresponsible . I need to clean up the shit first

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This slot ain't dying, because if that is the case it's purely on policy.

I'll fix it, because I saw the possibility of this coming. Just don't be impatient.

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Post gambit conclusions

Assumption: Spyrex is Town Confidence:70% → due to conclusion from gambit
Inference: Scum know that I am gambiting
Inference: Scum know he is town
Guess: Scum will be a lot more cautious in voting Spyrex; 3 scum would stay off the wagon and 1 on it

Post #862 → Towntell 1) within common posting timings.

Spyrex did not deliberately lurk or hide to prevent his demise, unlike a scum would. A scum would have not responded to my claim at all, or would have immediately called me out and countered. According to his common posting schedule, it fits within his 4 hour free-time block. See iso.

Towntell 2) Giving reads and claiming

Town's standard operating procedure before incoming lynch

There should've been more towntells for a full blown confirmation but clearly he is not a powerful PR.

Antihero: Town Confidence: 90%

Post 783: There is no way a scum is hopping on so easily to someone he knows town like that lol. Furthermore, he knows that I'm gambiting, and usually they would be more careful in case I retracted it later

Post 789: Scum won't goad this knowing that it is fake

Post 795: like I said

Oversoul: null town (Town confidence: 55%)

Post 786: Scummy, can be intepreted as scum going “lol wtf” after an unexpected turn of events

Post 790, 791: Overcautiousness

#839 townish, same reason as farside

Vezok: scummy Confidence: 70%

Post 793: no comment on the gambit?

Post 823: what the heck

Post: 840: waffly, he doesn't state if he believes my claim nor strongly suspects it, but instead goads towards the lynch without vocally expressing its credibility.

Farside: Town: Confidence: 80%

Post 794: Town disbelief, especially because he has seen me lying about my role before.

Post 816: yeah

Agar: Town: Confidence: 65%

Post:842 Same as farside

Mollie: Town Confidence: 95%

Post 796: no way a scum would say this lol
Post 830: damn straight

Desp: Scummy Confidence: 45%

#799 no comment on gambit?

Post 801: goading scum

Post 808: umm yeah

ZZZX Town: Confidence: 85%

#812: likely VT or equivalent, not giving a shit about the game and sheeping

Majiffy: Town: Confidence: 90%

Post: 824: pretty legit

post 850: this is somewhat pre-emptive, as if he is aware of this. Given benefit of the doubt.

Marquis Town: Confidence 85%

#856 similar to ZZZX

Hoopla: Scum Confidence: 65%

Very, very pre-emptive, she somewhat knew it was fake/gambit/whatever right from the beginning, despite nothing that would have led her to think to reduce my credibility. Seems overly cautious about the whole issue, and thus taking a careful mindset to a lynch she knows would not end well. #868 and #778

#874: “None the wiser about what MS is thinking:” Knows that it is a gambit, yet does not know how to deal with the situation at all: it goes against all rational explanation for those that are aware that this is a counter-intuitive move.

#875 goading



tl;dr

reads gained purely from gambit:

Town

Mollie
Antihero
Majiffy
ZZZX
Marquis
Farside
Spyrex
Oversoul
_______
Desperado
Hoopla
Vezok

Scum

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I'm going to ISO these people to increase confidence of reads

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Vezokpiraka is quite scummy

I don't like hoopla. I've got a good feeling about oversoul and I feel that they are scum v town.
I especially don't like the way he claimed. I feel he is scum trying to get a claim out day 1 and resist until later days. I think he is some kind of 2 shot something

Is this a coincidence? Like seriously? Hoopla's the #2 scumread (I haven't ISOed her yet) and he goes for the early rvs implied-bus. "I feel that they are scum v town." no way lol, this statement is usually declared by scum. This is because scum actually know, that it is, scum vs town, so they can mention it with ease, after all, they're right! In fact, declaring an argument to be townvtown or scumvtown or whatever, would not be actually possible for true town -- they have no idea of any of this, most especially early in the game.

Vezok, what claim would hoopla be trying to get out?

You misunderstood me.

I meant that Hoopla is a player who played a lot. She probably has pretty god town and scum games.

I fear that her claim is of anti-encryptor was just a risky move so she can make it through the day. She knows that MS meta is to not lynch RVS anti-town claims (I.e. : miller).
Her relaxed nature could very well be faked as scum.

It isn't anything substantial hence why I didn't vote. Consider her in null-scum territory.

certainly, by implying that hoopla is scum, which coincidentally in my reads, its probably an attempt to get authentic/right reads, yet not drawing attention to it at all. certainly he isn't planning to make a strong statement, but posts like these are to make you appear that you are scumhunting, when you actually knew the answer from the beginning.

Hoopla: why would you claim something you know is more helpful to the town? Please don't give the not sure how to handle role response. My expectations of you are higher then that.

daytalk for the neighborhoods is not objectively better

@ vezok: someone asked you why you want to lynch hoopla for claiming when your neighborhood included multiple claims. you should answer them.

I answered that. And stop misrepping me. I never said I want to lynch hoopla. I said I find his claim and the way he did it scummy. That doesn't equal lynch.

case in point. his "gambit" got a little too close for comfort.

And that wasn't really self meta, just proving to you that yes, shockingly, that is a town thought process! In fact, I did so in a game with coincidentally Hoopla!
Shockingly! Giving people space to let them slip up is holy crap, a viable strategy!

Especially for people who are prone to lurk as scum!

REVOLUTIONARY!!

This is town posting.

buddying up to oversoul. all of his posts in the early game do this. all that hoopla vs oversoul baloney, and by assumption, he knows that oversoul is town.



Yeah, vezok's iso definitely does not make me feel better about his slot. still scum.

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Hoopla

quote="In post 79, Hoopla"]actually i just thought of a way that should confirm me as town (or at very least pseudo-confirm me as town), but i won't be able to do it until tomorrow at the earliest.[/quote]
this post is either very townie or an outright lie. ugh. don't know.

Oversoul is town because I can see a genuine plan on his behalf to discover my alignment. One thing I notice when I have debates with scum is they either tend to placate me or attack me with a catalogue of garden-variety tells. Oversoul's tactic of casual interaction with me but ultimately deciding to sit back and let me fall into traps if I'm scum is unusual because I feel like I can be pretty polarising at times (that usually unsettles people and makes them want to try and read me NOW), and he has had success with it before as town against me, so I can see why in his mind he believes this is a viable strategy against me.

That's not to say he can't fake it as scum, but in general scum don't use creative or unique tells - they're usually too busy trying to not look like scum, that they rely on a laundry list of rhetoric and so-called tells to guild their arguments. Creative and unique approaches to individual players are motivated by a desire to read the player - scum already knows my alignment, so that desire isn't there and is harder to fake.

I think he info-dumped his strategy against me way too early, to the point where it'll generally be non-effective against me (if I were scum). The self-meta thing reinforces my town read on him - any half decent player knows self-meta or wifom arguments hold no water, so scum generally avoid them (I do). It's one of those tells that in theory is scummy, but in practice, it's usually town (out of frustration or inability to explain in other ways) who do it.

this post is non alignment indicative. just wanted to comment about "Creative and unique tells", i guess i am going overboard with them so my slot must be conftown indeed.

Also, looking at my neighbourhood:

If there is scum in it, it's Desperado. Still sitting on his RVS-vote despite having heated back-and-forth with Agar and probing elsewhere.

Someone throw Desp the keys to the bus.

I'll throw you the keys to the bus. holy shit. why is there a triangle of associatives between my isolated gambit scumreads? is mentioning scumpartners in order to distance from each other and to form interactions an actual legitimate strategy? i should check this out.

PSA: at this point, I notice that Hoopla is very experienced, it will be difficult to distinguish scum and town posts, so I'm hoping to catch something.

One thing I notices is the Hoopla calling DespvsMollie TVT. First rule is that scum lie. My theory is that DespvsMollie is ScumVTown (according to gambits), but Hoopla is lying outright about the situation and calling TVT. Note that Hoopla mentions Desperado scum a large number of times. (see her iso)

1. i said mollie's opening was scummy. she didn't participate in RVS and choose to explain why she didnt post anything in the neighborhood instead, and then she tried to end rvs too quickly and looked awkward in the process with her vote on marquis.

2. it's wack because majiffy even added the shades-smiley to make sure she knew it was a joke and she still wildly overreacted--probably because that's what she thinks majiffy would expect from town-mollie. she just took it a bit too far and it looked bad.

3. what changed is that she thinks i'm scum now so agar's behavior towards me looks scummier to her. mollie does makes these sort of idiotic logical leaps as town (too many heads pirate conspiracy as the prime example) but that doesn't really mean anything because moon logic is easy to fake.

4. i didn't say she called me town, and if you agree that she might have been buddying then i don't understand how you can disagree that she was defending me? bv thought i scum slipped and mollie went out of her way to tell him that i hadn't--in other words, his reason for thinking i'm scum is invalid (with the implicit conclusion being he shouldn't be scumreading me for that). how is that not a defense?

1) Requires meta knowledge for me to have any opinion on this. I either have to trust you're not scum, or trust your instincts about this (lol)

2) My impression of Mollie is she is the personification of overacting and hyperactive, spazzy energy. Don't know why this is suspicious.

3) You concede she does these things as town, so again, seems like you're just confirmation-biasing here.

4) Don't understand what this has to do with anything, or why she's suspicious for it.

Alright, I feel like I'm getting sucked into a black hole. If you wanna reply that's fine, but I'm pretty much done with anything Desp/Mollie related for today.

This is not cool at all. Both Desp and Hoop are very experienced players. I cannot tell with confidence if they are scum interacting with scum or town interacting with scum, or which is which (having Desp as townier than hoopla at the moment).


Point of the matter is that Hoopla is not giving big fat giant towntells, something which I should be expecting from someone experienced. In fact, at this high level play, the lack of towntells is a scumtell, for lack of better scumhunting mechanism.

I agree with marquis.
I find it very hard to engage in discussion. It's just a group of people who formed opinion about everyone and they haven't stopped.

I agree with Marquis and I agree with vezok. It is kinda challenging entering into the main conversations happening in town, because they won't pause or consider the reader.

I feel like I need to sit Mollie and Desperado down here and explain it to them:

The two of you have 200 posts between you in a game of 700, with the majority being aimed at each other or talking about each other. We have 16 players in the game. It's kinda ridiculous that you guys are talking so much, especially given that you're essentially rehashing the same conversation over and over again. I know your response to this already:

"But Hoopla, it isn't our fault that nobody else is posting or starting their own conversations!"

Wrong! It actually kinda is. When you swamp the thread like this, you put a chunk of less active players in catch-up mode. I can't really have conversations with Bv or Spy or ZZZX or whoever else because they're not qualified to answer my questions. They don't know what is going on in the game state, because the game state is being dictated by both of you, and that in turn makes me wanna lurk or wait for them, all the while you're both still posting which continues the cycle. Games like this where there's such a jarring discrepancy between the most active and least active players are really frustrating.

Both of you need to start considering the rest of everyone else's time constraints and not post every thought or argument that pops into your head. It'd probably even be beneficial to you as well, because when you constantly post it devalues your words. People DO skim over them, trust me on that. Just look at Mastin.

This however, struck a chord. Attempting to quell town apathy, should be a towntell. Yet, I have done this many times as scum myself, so although I would say that it is possible for scum to posture in this manner, it is not as likely. So I'm putting this as one of the very few small towntells I have on Hoopla.

I have no idea, that was a phone post probably made while I was working, and it was 600 posts ago.

Why are you just waiting until now to push this shit angle?

Because I've been focusing on other things, and it's only come out now that you're claiming to not know me dying enables daytalk. How are you seriously feigning ignorance over this?

YOU EVEN ADDRESSED ME ABOUT IT ON THE SAME PAGE YOU BANANA

Hoopla: why would you claim something you know is more helpful to the town? Please don't give the not sure how to handle role response. My expectations of you are higher then that.

i claimed because some people value daytalk a lot within neighbourhoods. scum daytalk is a definite positive for scum, i feel like neighbourhood talk is important for town too, but maybe not to the same extent, so i thought i'd float the idea and see what people thought.

regardless, i have thought up a way that i can pseudo-confirm myself as town tomorrow. it's kind of esoteric, but i feel like it should make it obvious i am town, then scum will be forced to NK me giving everyone neighbourhood chat (without wasting a lynch).

You'd be surprised how townsided neighborhood daychats can be if utilized properly.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

Lets get this rival wagon up and running.

This post is really really bad. Like, I don't know how to articulate it, but it's a "metal sonic definitely caught scum" kind of bad. Like, I can see it immediately. I don't know how to say it. My go-to excuse is gut.

I think it's something about "Lets get this rival wagon up and running."

fuck, I can't explain it. if you're one of those logic-types, lets leave this one be.

if you are scum I totes gonna repost this for lulz

If I was scum there's no way I'd be trying to achieve a more balanced spread of posting. I'd happily let you and Desperado take a giant dump all over the thread.

I have directed a number of posts to you which you have managed to not address at all during your rant about my posting. FIX IT

I don't know where. Give me succinct questions to answer and I will.

so why does marquis look okay?

I think him standing up to the shitstorm was an abrasive, pro-town move. I think if he were scum, he'd be more likely to try and find his place and pick out things to comment on, rather than rock the boat.

PSA to all town: If I was scum there's no way I'd pull a shit gambit and draw everyone's attention to me in order to polarize the game. Thus, I am conftown, and my slot should never get lynched. Throw flak if you want, policy lynch if you can stomach it, but I'm as good as IC for now. Really.

I was supposed to make a dig at "If I was scum" tells, but those aren't alignment indicative. I've seen both town and scum players do that. I do not have accurate empirical statistics if scum or town do it more often.

he didn't stand up to a shitstorm he called every1 town and made 1 subsequent post and then disappeared.

that isn't standing up to a shitstorm.

Are we reading the same game? 616, 621 and 631 are all posts lamenting your spam and saying he's finding it difficult to pick up on the meta to-and-fros between you and Desp. He is choosing to call you out on your spam and say he doesn't want to read it, instead of cherry-picking a couple different posts or angles and trying to fit in.

It seems honest. It is pro-town to me.

I'm done for the day. Whenever I respond to one of your posts it just causes a barrage of other questions and arguments from you, to the point where it'd just go into Mollie vs. Desp territories of spam if I let it. So, unless it's something super important, I'm choosing to ignore you, because you seem oblivious about what you're doing to this game.

Try being quiet for a while, Mollie.

This just rubs me the wrong way. Shutting down about the Mollie vs Desp is perfectly legal and understandable, but there is something off about the way she does it. But I don't think I trust my vibe that I get from this post seriously, so its STILL null.

If hoopla is scum, then she really is playing by the book. How not to get caught as scum 101. Ugh, few scumtells, yet few towntells either -- anything can be intepreted as town or scum if you look at it from various perspectives. Different people can see different things, and its strong because it is difficult to get an objective scumread on her.

If hoopla is town, then she needs to town it up more, otherwise the other town is definitely going to be hit by town paranoia once the days going in, and she'll be lynched if she keeps at this pace.

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Agar: Town: Confidence: 65%

Post:842 Same as farside

i forgot to bold it sorry

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from what i remember, majiffy and hoopla's responses were pretty similar, but they're somehow on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I noticed. but they way they presented it were certainly different.

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metal

you're doing ISOs with the mindset "THESE PLAYERS ARE SCUM" and you're devolving into "you're scum therefore

everything you say is scummy

" arguments.

that renders them useless.

understand this.

no im only doing the scum ones because

1) im not gonna iso all of them lol

2) if i am wrong it would be pretty obvious from their iso

3) I'm devolving assume that the others are scum: do these players follow the pattern that I observe?

I mean: A-B-C is an independent finding.

when I iso C i notice that C acts very scummy with A and B, no way this should be possible if I found A and B independently of their interaction

ergo C is linked to A and B.

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3) I'm devolving assume that the others are scum: do these players follow the pattern that I observe?

I mean: A-B-C is an independent finding.

when I iso C i notice that C acts very scummy with A and B, no way this should be possible if I found A and B independently of their interaction

ergo C is linked to A and B.

this is very unclear


I'm just highlighting players: VERY SCUMMY, NEED TO ISO

then see if they are town or they actually fit the patterns match in VERY SCUMMY

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"you're scum therefore everything you say is scummy"

and i only do this when i am very very 90% sure that they are scum

then i dont need to iso them because i will shut them off entirely from the thread

then i may be very arrogant


i dont think i have the leeway or freedom to be arrogant at this point in the game

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Correction: I forgot to put in AGar

Town
Mollie
Antihero
Majiffy
ZZZX
Marquis
Farside
Spyrex
AGar
Oversoul
_______
Desperado
Hoopla
Vezok
Scum

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i'm not gonna iso desp today. and mollie's vote probably wont count because the original vote was placed from a hydra. you can call it a double reaction test.

I'll check out majiffy too, since you guys asked.

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that being said hoopla is town so your read there is shit

i dont agree. i've had her as a minor scumread all game but i didnt even enough fucks to push. and she's pretty good player so its not gonna be worth my time.

thing is, many people have her as a minor scumread too, so she's gonna get lynched maybe day 5 or something from paranoia so whatever.

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that said, my hoopla read might have been confirmation bias, due to my minor scumread as stated above. but i do my best to minimise confirmation bias in my reads/gambits. sometimes it is inevitable, but i still do take necessary precautions

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and spyrex wasnt my top scumread. he was just being a dick and i needed to sort him quick and fast.

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that said, maybe i should've tried dayvigging him

wouldnt have as much power though 1) he isnt very active 2)i am not a real dayvig

it is obvious that this act was way more convincing and could draw a more genuine reaction. at least i think. except for those scum who were "being careful", yeah they KNEW i was lying so thats a good place to start and the basis for my reads

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why is nobody scumreading vezok?

i feel like you're calling me scum because it's something i could do as scum, which is true. but it's also something i would pretty much always do as town, which i have done here. so, even if you don't think i deserve credit for it, why am i suspicious for it? you scumreading me for this seems arbitrary.

also this fits exactly to my analysis of hoopla. i'm not making this up, the theory fits the evidence lol

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good vezok vote.

this is now a thing

VOTE: vezokpiraka

[Metal Sonic]

metal sonic predicts that hoopla will remove her vote on vezok quite soon.

[Metal Sonic]

hoopla does trolls? oh i did not know that.

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also, i've played games with metal sonic and he's never pulled shit like this. i wouldn't have pegged him for a guilty-fakeclaimer. i thought he's been here long enough to know better.

exactly. hence why the point of hoopla seeing it was a gambit in 5 seconds either indicates supreme superhuman levels of paranoia/suspicion or plain scum

town wouldnt know. scum would.

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You aren't the only victim

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Vote vezok please.

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Hmmm. I believe that's his role ability... in which case why would reck give that role to scum, when it's likely scum are spread across 3+ neighbourhoods already?

UNVOTE:

Thinking...

on the contrary i think that it is a very very scummy role ability

the ability for scum to peek into neighborhood chat

yeah thats dangerous

[Metal Sonic]

metal sonic predicts that hoopla will remove her vote on vezok quite soon.

1 minute later i realise i made this prediction


no shit

[Metal Sonic]

someone else hammer because i suddenly dont buy this anymore

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This one's new.

Please lynch Vezok do not counter wagon

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I refer to the mollie situation

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the suspense of whether you're right or wrong about a scum never gets old.

good luck!

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what kind of drugs did mollie eat I have never seen her sear before...

cuz mollie knew exactly what she was doing when she wrote what i quoted and it was hurtful.

and not in a "this is a game and we say things sometime" kind of way but a visceral, non-game related way.

she did this to me too so either something is

very wrong irl

or this is done in context of the game.

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swear*

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godd damn

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I'm sorry I disappointed you guys.
I'm town.

i would be pretty pissed off if this was true


as it stands twilight trolls exist.

people who lie even after hammered. urgh.

[Metal Sonic]

if you're really town, you've fucked it up something awful.

That's okay.

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VOTE: bob

byebye bob

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i sheep marquis

why aren't you voting in the private topics?

[Metal Sonic]

You know for a player that forced this situation you would think she would ask the 2 suspects up for nom's some questions or be more involved to figure out which, if either was scum.

Yawn

i guess this game apathy make us all sleep.

lets just find the remaining scum via PR because we aren't in any capability to do scumhunting.

yawn

[Metal Sonic]

how sure are we that the given two lynches have at least 1 scum in them?

[Metal Sonic]

dunno if chamber is abrasive or scum but would lynch anyway



maybe our expert majiffy can shed some light on this situation

[Metal Sonic]

isn't he?

[Metal Sonic]

no but you're adorable

[Metal Sonic]

majiffy is too

but he can play quite the facade as scum (L4D2)

your two can try examining chamber

[Metal Sonic]

we ship each other imo

[Metal Sonic]

Official Vote Count

ZZZX

(7): Bicephalous Bob, SpyreX, Marquis, Zivel, chamber, AGar, Pine St

Bicephalous Bob

(7): Oversoul, Majiffy, farside22, ZZZX, Metal Sonic, Hoopla, Desperado

Not Voting

(1): Antihero

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

i like this VC

now poor Antihero has all the pressure

[Metal Sonic]

yes

antihero has good hammering skills

[Metal Sonic]

MS why are you letting me down

Why are you not voting ZZZX

Because tied vote counts on day 2 are funny

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: chamber

[Metal Sonic]

You seem kinda scummy^

[Metal Sonic]

I love u antihero

(As a mafia friend)

[Metal Sonic]

Strong chamberbash is strong

[Metal Sonic]

He got fired from my neighborhood because scum

[Metal Sonic]

Fire as in fire from the job

Except now it's from the neighborhood



No worries, we'll probably light him on fire today

[Metal Sonic]

._.

[Metal Sonic]

12 h of sleep a day gives you beautiful skin!

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: AGar

I only stayed up for World Cup.

[Metal Sonic]

Bicephalous Bob [The Cataldi Family], Mafia Invisible Ninja Encrypting Godfather, sent to prison D2

Hoopla your claim is becoming a little less credible when this thing flipped with basically 4 roles and town's power seems to be diffused across many players.

Exactly what I thought.

Scum are stacked full of PRs. Town is one by one PRs

[Metal Sonic]

This guy is town^

[Metal Sonic]

He rubs me the wrong way too.

But I also rub you the wrong way so don't know how much that matters

[Metal Sonic]

I only have 1 vote.

[Metal Sonic]

What catch I don't see a catch maybe I skim too fast

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: hoopla

[Metal Sonic]

For being cake.

[Metal Sonic]

Yes please full claim hoopla!

The bombs have been dropped

[Metal Sonic]

That's not what we wanted to hear!

[Metal Sonic]

Why is hoopla scum : [

All she has been doing is selling slices of cake : o

[Metal Sonic]

*shrugs*

Maybe her cakes didn't taste good

[Metal Sonic]

Rotten cakes : (

Of dead people?

[Metal Sonic]

Reck gives very elaborate fakeclaims

[Metal Sonic]

Could it be a random occurrence? Why would anyone swap you and over soul?

[Metal Sonic]

Well I hope you are happy in your new neighborhood

[Metal Sonic]

I'd like chamber to claim in full including n2 and n3 action.

NICE TRY

[Metal Sonic]

oh. aw

i am the neighborhood swapper. i was responsible for swapping antihero and oversoul. i am also responsible for putting chamber, hoopla and desp in the same neighborhood cause (scumreads)

who's next? lets see

[Metal Sonic]

OVERLYSOUL ITS YOUR TURN

[Metal Sonic]

i am not dead

[Metal Sonic]

I thought the facts you pointed out here were a good catch on MS's inconsistent behavior. I don't know if it will have any merit because no offense but I don't really see that much consistency or logic being publicly employed by MS in his posts. Instead it is more like "where logic goes to die". Regardless, it was this bit.

none taken



may hoopla kindly explain the Significance of knowing my night actions, and how this helps us to further complete/break the game as town, without invoking the argument of "for formality purposes"?



yes farside i can move them every night. scumteam hoopla+desperado+Chamber+oversoul are safely quarantined in a neighbourhood, thats thanks to me
"

[Metal Sonic]

yes. mildly.

[Metal Sonic]

First I'd like him to commit to whether there is actually a conflict or not.

I'd like YOU to comment.

What makes you think there is a conflict? What is the significance if I claimed my night actions, and if I didn't? Would it help you scumhunt better? If so, why?

[Metal Sonic]

lol i read commit as comment LOL

[Metal Sonic]

Night 1: Swap marquis with salamence20
Night 2: Swap chamber and majiffy
Night 3: Swap Antihero and OVersoul


okay, trusted farside and marquis, help me analyse the significance of these results and why hoopla+chamber is actionfishing so blatantly and stubbornly

[Metal Sonic]

i think its pretty obvious that i should quarantine you scumbutts so that the other 3 neighborhoods are masonhoods

[Metal Sonic]

umm sorry if you're not scum overlysoul cause you have to deal with their scummyshit :O

[Metal Sonic]

all for the greater good

[Metal Sonic]

@hoopla: still waiting for a reply

Well...

There is a gap between Spyrex and Metal because it represents a gap in difference of townieness. Everyone else is kinda overlapping and I'm finding it hard to pick out differences between my second/third/fourth choice etc.

I'm still trying to work out why Metal said he moved chamber into MY neighbourhood, when I was the one who did that. Metal, please explain.

Because you and chamber seem like such good buddies that I decided that both of you can live in the same neighborhood so that you could go over to his house for tea or something

[Metal Sonic]

Oh, right.

I wanted majiff town into my neighborhood and I wanted to boot chamber out

Sorry about that I got confused

[Metal Sonic]

Because it was 2 months ago?

You're badass posturing scum

[Metal Sonic]

It is now Night 2.

Neighborhoods are being unlocked. A night deadline of 72 hours will be set once I find a replacement for Zivel.

oh. aw

i am the neighborhood swapper. i was responsible for swapping antihero and oversoul. i am also responsible for putting chamber, hoopla and desp in the same neighborhood cause (scumreads)

who's next? lets see

Yep, 11 days is certainly 2 months.[/quote]


Derp

Certainly feels like a year :/

Sorry

[Metal Sonic]

This is hilarious

[Metal Sonic]

Spy: your resent post is probably the only time this game I felt you gave a shit. Why did you not have anything sooner?
Most of the time you've been pretty bland.

this exactly

that was an unusually good post by spy

[Metal Sonic]

i hope you're sure about shinobi, cause im supporting on spyrex

VOTE: shinobi

[Metal Sonic]

For safety

VOTE: hoopla


If gladiator = autotowncred, then it's probably not autotowncred

[Metal Sonic]

what if it had a limitation? Only can be used day 1 or 2?

clearly, scum are much more stacked PRs than town, so even if hoopla gladiatored the two most towniest players in the game, the loss of all her hypothetical scum abilities wouldnt be worth it.

that, and that the scumteam is probably a small team of 3 or 4

[Metal Sonic]

use your phone next time

[Metal Sonic]

Let's kill chamber since hoopla is power bussing for even more towncred

Or she is town and let's kills chamber anyway

[Metal Sonic]

i actually think oversoul claim is bs

it is negative utility


other towns get "useless" or "troll" abilities

but he gets neg utility

ah



never mind

all the town in hoopla neighborhood, 1 of them is town, go figure them out etc take our pick


who wants to engage spyrex on his shinobi deathread? i hope spyrex is right cause if he isnt it would be shame. more than my shit 'gambit'

[Metal Sonic]

pls help hoopla bus chamber

it looks like the best choice any way you look at it

unless hypothetical hoopla scum has a remaining 1-shot ability that she wants to use tonight

[Metal Sonic]

they are quarantined thanks to me anyway so ))

[Metal Sonic]

in their neighborhood

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: hoopla

Job done

[Metal Sonic]

Someone needs to tell hoopla I explained myself and where I saw the scum read and my reason for finding it odd.'she apparently isn't reading.

She obviously is reading that's why she knew it wasn't a hammer

I had to scroll up to check vc to remember I want voting shinibi

[Metal Sonic]

Jesus christ he just answered a post with smarm that was literally, LITERALLY 180 degrees wrong.

If this is town I give up forever

this will be held against you like how my fake gambit will be held against me

do you committ?

[Metal Sonic]

unvote

agreed. go for it.

[Metal Sonic]

um...

less than 48 h

shit

[Metal Sonic]

i just went back to check

[Metal Sonic]

If I were chamber I would do it. Reward > risk. I'm heavily suspected and I get a chance to kill off one of the towniest/ most OP town role

Basically they are very probably teammates so meh

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: chamber

[Metal Sonic]

do we still have investigative roles? if not, prolonging it another day isnt going to be very helpful.

[Metal Sonic]

^

Look where that got me

Fucking lol

[Metal Sonic]

[voye]chamber[/vote]

Occams razor

[Metal Sonic]

if u die tonight i will miss u farside

give me the order and i hammer nolynch.


sonic mylo policy is: unless you have no idea at all of the scum, or you have investigative roles remaining, dont bother with the no lynch.

[Metal Sonic]

On MS? I mean I can make a case if you want but I don't know what use it would be.
You're probably dead tonight anyway, Farside. :/

Read the first 20 pages of the game. MS does literally nothing in the game at that point.
Yay Marquis. Stellar town play if you are town.

by the way, im not going to bother with your stupid suspicion on me, OS. im going to ride on my confftown status like in event card and i dont give a shits about silly "scumreads" cause at this point im universal unofficial conftown.

and if you want me to quote my role pm so that "you can understand how my role works" fucking forget it


i'll help kills scums, of course. we dont have 999 mislynches like in that game. psh.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: chamber

[Metal Sonic]

Yo, don't get defensive, that's a scum tell

[Metal Sonic]

Yo, don't get defensive, that's a scum tell

Go back to Smogon and send Zorbees, Lonely Ness, Walrein, etc in your place.

Hm, that's eyebrow raising.

Let's mutually back off

AH, chamber and shinobi.

[Metal Sonic]

Metal how good is your meta read on players? Marquis same question to you.

can read marquis fairly well (2nd fortnight and most other games)

however 1 exception was mafia of the quickness where marquiscum hard buddied me early with his scummate and i misread him strong town.



i am unsure of my read on OS but im giving him a free pass on that comment.

i want to lynch antihero. he is master lurker and most likely scum. seriously

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: antihero

[Metal Sonic]

I don't even have meta on you,

God of beetlejuice

[Metal Sonic]

The problem is that chamber is likely the scum^

Ah well force him to posture anyway; or of he's town we get genuine opinion so yea

[Metal Sonic]

The problem is that chamber is likely the scum^

Ah well force him to posture anyway; or of he's town we get genuine opinion so yea

Well like I said my top 2 are oversoul and shin so someone would be nice.
What do you think it should be anti for the lurking?

call it gut if you must, PoE if you need a logical reason.

he hasnt been doing anything all game (literally) and master beetlejuice+active lurker

like

just let his teammates do the heavy lifting right?

thats what i feel.

[Metal Sonic]

if the town is self destructing, its best to stir the pot/stay out of it

most especially at lylo

i really honestly think antihero is the safest option right now, but the problem is we still have to get the next 2 days right cause mylo. so we're stuck at the same situation of shin/desp/chamber/oversoul

[Metal Sonic]

sorry, what?

[Metal Sonic]

The thing with MS is something I was looking into. His last set of posts was actually pretty good, IE actively laying out plans, trying to solve the game etc. My issue is that this is the first time he has tried to take control of the game thus far, so I'm not sure if it's just because he's close to the win or if he's desperate.

yea just ask farside

[Metal Sonic]

i can understand your trepidation regarding me finally being good

VOTE: antihero

[Metal Sonic]

^ this boy is town

Hopefully

[Metal Sonic]

Please bus chamber tia

Can't tell if chamber is scum or not now ugh

This game

Is

Nuts

[Metal Sonic]

Problem is even if the scum all bus each other, they only need 1 mislynvh to win. So we need to lynch scum in a row. That is, quite difficult

[Metal Sonic]

i really think that antiher ois our best bet right now and if we get a scum lynch, town morale will go up

if we get town lynched, well we lose

[Metal Sonic]

this guy is like PV in organic chem

just staying far away from the thread

considering that even town dont care, yeah its very very easy to do that

[Metal Sonic]

i would have pushed oversoul scum but he said something that makes me want to lay off him for a bit.

[Metal Sonic]

shin mentioned that he felt what you did in event card mafia wrt me. since there is a similarity in experience/opinion for you two, can you read him again and give me your opnion? seems like a town reaction but you need to comment on that personally because it is with reference to you.

[Metal Sonic]

Farside

Does this sound familiar to you?

Would you consider it a town tell?

Why couldn't you post like this all game?

The thing with MS is something I was looking into. His last set of posts was actually pretty good, IE actively laying out plans, trying to solve the game etc. My issue is that this is the first time he has tried to take control of the game thus far, so I'm not sure if it's just because he's close to the win or if he's desperate. His chamber vote was really off-the-wall and it's not really consistent with what he's trying to do now, so idk.

[Metal Sonic]

Farside,

I asked you something wrt shinobi,

I need your opinion.
you're very important

[Metal Sonic]

Not sure how this is a town tell.
It looks like fence sitting to me.

This appears to be the essence of what you told me in 2nd fortnight; and you were town.

Which is why I find great relevancy in asking you to comment on this



because after that, I was leaning town on Shinobi. considering the flux of my reads in current state, that is enough to put him in the town pile. chamber and antihero are still my strongest scumreads. desp is a question mark.

[Metal Sonic]

The difference between here and Event Card mafia is that here we are in mylo and event Card there were like 5 free mislynches

And I'm not scared of your tunneling or any tunneling you think you can deal to me in this game lol. I'm more scared of your tunneling POST GAME. If you get what I mean.

Get your head out of your ass and start hunting real scum. I have.

[Metal Sonic]

ok i really need you to elaborate on your responses.

to save your time for now:

does that "towntell" i spotted change your read on shinobi? yes/no?

is the "towntell" is spotted a legitimate reaction or bears no relevance? legit tell/useless tell

what is your read on shinobi? town/scum

[Metal Sonic]

yea. shinobi swapper with oversoul.

the "town tell" with regard to shinobi only caught my attention cause you displayed it in fortnight. since you feel that it isnt a towntell, i'll take your word for it.


i m continue with the anti-hero scum squad.

(antihero, chamber, desp, shinobi)

3 of the 4 here^


and thats 4/8 of the considerable players in the game.

[Metal Sonic]

if u are scum u are going to be autoscumread in my future games with you^

[Metal Sonic]

that was a hammer wasnt it

[Metal Sonic]

u better be

[Metal Sonic]

Marquis u are getting the Bert treatment

If u are neighbors with me I will policy lynch you

GG scumz I think that marquis would have carried the game even if we did lynch chamber and shinobi first


Spyrex was very right and I will take him very seriously if I play with him from any game onwards

[Metal Sonic]

Re: the hoopla lynch

Marquis manipulated me and farside into doing that, sorry. I thought we were a 3 man mason team (read: mafia of the quickness) and that was a giant mistake

There was a 'scum' in our mason team and that led to damning conclusions


Sorry for my play early game it was prettyy shitty. I think. Was kinda lazy for the marquis thing I think nobody had him as scum late game yeah