Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

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Three Alices kinda suggests scum do not have fakeclaims or that the game is breakable by flavor.

That being said, I am out most if the day. What time here will be spent modding and avoiding RVS.

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Why did you already pick NS for your ability? That doesn't seem helpful as either alignment.

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I think ns is town

I agree.

Not feeling so hot on Mala but nit convinced sge's scum. Either. Lean scum bc no vote on you and gut pinging RVS on me (the last is weak).

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VOTE: 4burner

His post sounds awkward.

Like newbtown awkward, only not newbtown awkward.

If you get what I'm going for.

Why a vote here and not on Mala?

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Although the more I think about it the more I want to be on that wagon, lol.

VOTE: notty

Mala probably is scum. I'd be voting but my vote is uber special and I don't care to vote yet.

Saving it for when it's necessary to lynch scum.

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Although the more I think about it the more I want to be on that wagon, lol.

VOTE: notty

Mala probably is scum. I'd be voting but my vote is uber special and I don't care to vote yet.

Saving it for when it's necessary to lynch scum.

So mala is scum, but you want to vote scum?

Ummmm!?!? You vote locked?

No. If I'm required to vote, and the mod catches it at the right moment, all will be explained.

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After a talk with FakeGod, I can remove Post Restrctions.

we are not lynching reinoe today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rack

Why would you view this as anti-town?

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Although the more I think about it the more I want to be on that wagon, lol.

VOTE: notty

Mala probably is scum. I'd be voting but my vote is uber special and I don't care to vote yet.

Saving it for when it's necessary to lynch scum.

So mala is scum, but you want to vote scum?

Ummmm!?!? You vote locked?

No. If I'm required to vote, and the mod catches it at the right moment, all will be explained.

The longer I don't vote, the less likely I am to tunnel. My ability will make it far too easy for me to tunnel. So for now, I'll just focus on proving Mala's scum or disproving my theory.

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After a talk with FakeGod, I can remove Post Restrctions.

we are not lynching reinoe today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rack

Why would you view this as anti-town?

Post restrictions hinder communications.

Anti-town.

@Kat: One of the funniest games to read. Seeing scum die in one day is funny. Plus fate. Fate is awesome.

@MattP: Got anything to say or do you have a post restriction too?

But if you remove Post Restrictions, then you'd be protown?

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SO many wagons.

Hard to choose just one.

Well, I suppose I can bus effectively, since it's so early in the game:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: notscience

Well, I suppose

I can bus

effectively, since it's so early in the game:

I can

bus

VOTE: rack


Dodgson's_method(Dodgson was another name for Lewis Carroll)

Dodgson's method is a voting system proposed by the author, mathematician and logician Charles Dodgson, better known as

Lewis Carroll.

The method is to extend the Condorcet method by swapping candidates until a Condorcet winner is found. The winner is the candidate which requires the minimum number of swaps. Dodgson proposed this voting scheme in his 1876 work "A method of taking votes on more than two issues". Given an integer k and an election, it is NP-complete to determine whether or not a candidate can become a Condorcet winner with fewer than k swaps.

I doubt the bus comment was serious. If you take it seriously, it makes no sense.

I have plenty of other options as scum, but I'll play against wincon just because.

^^^ That's how Rack's post would have to be read if serious. I don't buy that.

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Sal if you can remove PRs why did you consider yourself antitown?

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Sal, I do not think you should use your ability. We can live with Post Restrictions and PRs likely counter mafia power.

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I am suspecting Sal is a scum Vanillaizer and the scum team has a post restrictor. That is why the restriction can be removed easily.

Notscience, I had zero clue on that until you said so.

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Sal, I do not think you should use your ability. We can live with Post Restrictions and PRs likely counter mafia power.

TITUS ISO ME.

Seriously i already said im doing this to prove it. JUST ONCE.

There is no need to prove you are a vanillaizer and strip prs. You cannot prove both until we are down to one scum anyway.

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You very well might reveal that as scum. I had a scumbuddy claim Nymphomaniac Day 1.

I will make my observations and then solve them later. You are getting very panicky.

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Sal if you are town, that means you should use this ability on someone who volunteers.

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NS, as a general rule, 3 in a hood has scum in it.

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Yeah, I doubt you. You have seen this strategy work as scum yet you think I am crazy for entertaining a possibility.

If your role is town that means either a) we have an antitown role who should volunteer for your test or b) scum have a breaking strategy.

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NS, is there something wrong with my conclusion?

I don't get the burner wagon at all and I do not intend to vote.

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No

But I'm leaving sala to nati to read.

Why don't you like about my conclusion?

I do not understand the logical flow. He mentioned people so he must be scum? Huh?

I am not asking you for a Sala read. I am asking you whether the premuse is valid.

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Yeah, I doubt you. You have seen this strategy work as scum yet you think I am crazy for entertaining a possibility.

If your role is town that means either a) we have an antitown role who should volunteer for your test or b) scum have a breaking strategy.

Disney Villians Mafia
Epicmafiatime

Ive done it in both games.

DO YOU REALLY THINK I WOULD AS SCUM CLAIM ANTITOWN ROLE WHEN PPL IN THOSE TWO GAMES ARE PRESENT!?

I already told you I am anti-town PR. My choice is locked btw.

Wifom.

I want to see if anyone volunteers or if option a can be eliminated.

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I don't want to vote yet Sal. You think I have a pist restriction? Nope.

I am playing a more reserved game because otherwise I get caught in tunnel vision too early.

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NS so you're saying that burner is scum and was told about the hood in advance?

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I will review for that.

Please review my thoughts on Salmance's role.

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Sal, why is burner town? So...you are i a hood too?

NS, I wish you would have sat on thst or forced out his knlowedge a bit. I csnnot tell random chance or scum.

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Notscience, do you agree that a vanillaizer should only be in the game if it could be useful to town? If do, under what conditions is it useful? What happens if he vanillaizes a strong town PR?

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17p=4/5 scum right?

Sounds right but it can be lower w daychat.

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A vig gives up flip information, a vanillaizer just denues town abilities and information.

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The point you're trying to make is that he can destroy a town PR.

So can a vig.

He doesn't change alignments, so town can still claim their respective pr for us to do setup spec with.

We do not get alignment of that player though. That is the info we lose.

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The point you're trying to make is that he can destroy a town PR.

So can a vig.

He doesn't change alignments, so town can still claim their respective pr for us to do setup spec with.

We do not get alignment of that player though. That is the info we lose.

Hopefully they towned it up enough.

The point is, it's kinda like a nerfed vig.

Right but it's nerfing is taking out any useful benefit to tiwn unless
a) there's a miller or somesuch

Or

B) scum have a breaking strategy

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Alignment more than validity. I am always paranoid of validity but my main beef is alignment. Sala's role, as he claimed it, seems to have little to no use for the town.

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Sal, do you have multiple night chats?

NS, a) Sal said he has done it before and I have seen it before.

B) Looked through and saw no evidence of that.

C) Totally free to vanillaize a problem townie without accountability.

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I am not. Now answer the question. Do you have multiple night chats?

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I do. You are a pretty strong player on a gut level. Doubly so if 4burner is scum you showed why.

You and Sal also have similar playstyles which tend to get into conflict.

Where did Sal say he had to activate his power in thread?


I am not tunnelling. I am trying to solve Sal. I am not asking anyone to vote him even.

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Skull, I am going to break things into multiple posts for ease of understanding.

First, Mala knows my town game and that I am trying to lean back more as town. So the first thing she does is RVS me? That diesn't make sense.

Second, she likes burner for scum but doesn't vote him just unvotes me. Again concerned with popularity.

Third, notscience is scum...no vote. Then she says it was a joke. Then votes him.

I cannot see any logical coherence.

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As for Sal I am suspecting

Sal...scum vanillaizer
Reinoe...town victim
Someone else... scum post restrictor

Sal's vanillaizing csn "remove" a PR bc his buddy just does not pr the same target.

If someone refuses the vanilla, scum assume they are a PR.

This us why Sal should not use his abilityunless someone volunteers.

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So Sal said he was going to use his ability on you NS and theoretically used it on Reinoe with no verification that he wasn't nerfing a strong PR?

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Having a PR day one likely means town, Matt.

Notscience, smart town are worried about reprocussions unless very motivated by gut instead of logic. That's the rub, I can't rule out Sal just being a total crazythrow caution to the wind and defensive player.

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It is not common to find both qualities in town though. I am defensive but not recless. ika is more reckless but less defensive.


Matt, I meant Reinoe has a post restriction. I know nothing about his role.

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Why is there a scum post restrictor?

Because if town was going to post restrict, they would pick me probably or someone similiar.

Either Reinoe doesn't have a pr or scum pr maker are the likely options.

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Salmance, I don't believe you have answered if you have multiple nightchats.

My posts, for the most part have not been fluffy.

Why are you stating you are done with me yet stating things you would expect a response from?

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Oh yeah, I forgot.

Vi, don't judge NS based on my interaction with him. From what I know and can say, he is playing like he usually does

Why won't you answer the question?

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REally titus?

Think about that.

You are supposing only scum have multiple night chat.

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1. I claimed masons with a person who 1) isn't in our hood, and 2) jokingly.

2. Nati selfed D1. Now NS and I know that's normal for Nati. How do you?

3. I never cleared anyone, not now, and not at the time.

4. Nothing to say here.

5. Vi was NOT a topic of discussion. I asked as question about her and that was it.

P-edit: You're not outing our hood. Also claim your flavor name

This is the reason why I asked if you had multiple night chats. If you said yes, then you could keep your masons and hood together.

If you said no, then you'd have to either retract your mason claim or claim your masons were your hood.

Claiming mason implicitly clears your partner.

I figured you'd retract the mason claim when pushed. A mason vanilliaizer makes no sense.

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Mala, I have a pretty hard townread on NS. It's not omg total town but NS seems pretty town to me but I can't follow what you are doing at all.

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Hi Mala. Do something townie that makes sense please.

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Hi Mala. Do something townie that makes sense please.

I AM BEING TOWN

LOOK AT ME

JUST LOOK AT ME.

Show me where I'm wrong on MS?

Am I right or wrong on Salmance?

Work with me.

If I trust you enough, we can do a mutual gibberish pact.

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Spoiler: neighborhood qt

But I wanted to do gibberish so bad. They got a guy in Podunk that can help.

What is town on Sala? His claim.

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I thought you were townreading me.

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Spoiler: I forgot titus is also in this neighborhood, misread my role pm

Titus idk why mala's ignoring my reach out :/

pedit god damnit she just did it again

So... I didn't actually mention everyone in your Hood, then? Or am I missing something here.

Yeah not a real hood.

I don't care for your wagon so bleh. Especially not Sal's 180. Bleh but really no one else sees that?

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Gotcha. Count me in?

Town blocs are invite only. You are town to me and kind new.

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Not possible Mala. I could do mutual 5150 to show you why I am not doing the act you expect.

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Spoiler: neighborhood qt

Katsuki?

Lol. I will take that as a no. Don't worry I am not 5150. I am just swinging my really big sledgehammer.

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NS, as a general rule, 3 in a hood has scum in it.

yes ik that

Not true.

Yeah it's a general rule. It is not an absolute though. The wiki even says as much.

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Spoiler: neighborhood qt

That's because Katsuki has done nothing at all. His posts are all filler.

Mala, please come pick wildflowers with me? I need a shiny garden. We can go to podunk. Pleeeeeeeeeease. I'm trusting NS on you.

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The wagon on 4burner a lot like Bowser's whatchamacallit. I was wagoned for something really stupid as a practical newbie. I didn't have the official town role PM forgot the colors and I was town because Bowser was using some shit ass colors. No wagon even formed on anyone else.

The wagon here, while I think NS is town, makes less sense to me than that.

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

Whooo one less person who could try and catch my sledge hammer!

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Spoiler: neighborhood qt that mala doesn't have to read if they annoy her that much

I'm going to need marquis to town it the fuck up because otherwise I'm going to be hung up on his slot all game

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

He's playing.... but... what? I never noticed him.

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Reinoe, I'm missing the point about you winning a scum game.

Please inform me.

It's a response to me feeling that this is a town wagon bc it's taking advantage of the newbie.

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Agreed. Reinoe is pretty obviously town. I just think Reinoe is wrong but it's the same type of conclusion I draw in my memory banks. My personal ones are just leading me to the opposite conclusion.

Vi is an alright wagon. I endorse that one.

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Aronis wagon now has Titus approval.

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What question did I miss?

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Ok, ns, I saw some chat on here implying that hoods were locked pregame. Assuming, town and mafia had the same chat, how could the slip you had pointed out be a slip ns?