Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

[notscience]

I really hope it's a kingmaker

[notscience]

^this guy is town

[notscience]

On the flip side

I expect you to proxy me your vote if you take mine away

[notscience]

squawk?

[notscience]

You have me on the edge of my seats in anticipation

What are you going to do

[notscience]

Not a fan of how NS is taking this news.

"I'm going to do something to you tonight but not telling you what it is, and you trying to guess what it is will be a bad reaction"

ok

ftr there's only a select few people on this site I actually dislike and you arne't one of them

This is a completely veiled buddying attempt so you don't target me with whatever that is

[notscience]

It's going to be something that fucks with my vote

[notscience]

He has to at the very least prove i t

but rathr than wait for today to be done and use it on a null/scum read he's already opted to use it on me

[notscience]

Look at him


and his wee little boots

[notscience]

I still want to know what's supposed to happen to me N1

[notscience]

I think ns is town

[notscience]

I think ns is town

You're scum

wait

the fuck

how did I miss this post.

If I'm scum, where's your vote?

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

Not interested in lynching Nati. Seems like Skullduggery is trying too hard: asks a lot of questions; not much else from him. Konowa's vote on Aronis was bad. I sympathize with hiplop. That's all I got for now.

Last I checked Skullduggery only had town meta (this was OC Remix, and a while ago).

Well, your sarcasm about me using a trollish PR on you reminds me of this. All you are missing is the part where you say I am full of shit. But my reads aren't superior, calm down dude.

Maybe it will make you feel better that I'm not stealing your vote, or anything involving your vote.

Are you going to make me hated

And yes it is Terra, it's from the first episode she was in because this is the best picture because I love her butterfly

I'm a masonizer, of course I am buddying you.

/sarcasm

No that post was

not your post

Using it on a read is not my plan as you won't be affected by this until after the lynch. Plus you can't be lynched D1 to confirm my day-ability.

Is it multipart?

Hmmm, I kinda don't.

CHECK IT AGAIN

@Vi, NS, and Friday

You all are bringing up points that involve people calling people scum and not voting. So how do you all feel about Aronis? (Vi is voting him, Friday isn't because loltown, and NS isn't because I'm going to steal his vote).

I don't even remember what he's posted, I'll look back and let you know

pedit-

ho fuck

you give/take post restrictions, don't you

Hell yeah

give me one

[notscience]

VOTE: 4burner

His post sounds awkward.

Like newbtown awkward, only not newbtown awkward.

If you get what I'm going for.

[notscience]

Oh gawd. Rack is like a mini version of a troll.

UNVOTE: Titus

Idk guys. I like 4burner for now.

Also calling notty scum was a joke.

@Sala:

I shouldn't be a town read this early. Why am I a town read?

So first things first you disagree with me on the rack read

and that calling me scum is a joke

Although the more I think about it the more I want to be on that wagon, lol.

VOTE: notty

Now you vote me

:L

[notscience]

Righto then. So I'm scum trying to sound newbtown?

Based on ...what exactly?

It's not even scum trying to sound newbtown

It just reads so fake and disgusting

[notscience]

Hey all.

Sala is interesting with that opening. I'm inclined to see where it goes. Mason, unknown ability, and more point me toward leaning town, there. Too bold on day one for scum-ruse, my gut says.

The yodatalk here. And the bit about the mason- "Mason claim makes me lean town" I'm sorry, what?

NS, Friday, Nata - all leaning town for me.

Absolutely 0 reason to be. At this point in time none of Nti/Titus/Mala have stated a townread on me (arguably the people here in the best position to read me, yet I'm leaning town for what? Trying to guess my fate? It looks like he's just handing out townreads.

Aronis and Reinoe are standing out, for points already made. Aronis for flinging woo without putting a vote up with it, Reinoe for weirdness. In addition, if Sala's ability is somehow linked to a post restriction, I'd wager that nobody would START the game with one in place.

He has a seperate section for people who stand out. One is a leanscum, one is a "lolwut is he doing" read. It looks like he's trying to keep busy.

Unless Sala, you have something that might contradict that?

And now he starts fishing, even though he has no reason to be.

Everyone else is pretty much not on my radar at the moment. Still getting a feel for names and whatnot. VI hasn't been overly scummy from what I can tell?

I don't get why he targets Vi specifically here. But at the same time, it irks me.

VOTE: ARONIS

pedit-

K, reinoe is town.

[notscience]

lol, figured you were the queen

[notscience]

ho fuck

you give/take post restrictions, don't you

Hell yeah

give me one

[notscience]

Also nati I have another reason I suspect burner but that'll have to wait

[notscience]

Why do I always get on this power highi in fakegod's games

[notscience]

How often can you do that

[notscience]

k.

You should join this wagon.

[notscience]

Is 3 posts enough to infoslip?

Because he did.

[notscience]

Hey all.

Sala is interesting with that opening. I'm inclined to see where it goes. Mason, unknown ability, and more point me toward leaning town, there. Too bold on day one for scum-ruse, my gut says.

NS

, Friday, Nata - all leaning town for me.

Aronis and Reinoe are standing out, for points already made. Aronis for flinging woo without putting a vote up with it,

Reinoe

for weirdness. In addition, if Sala's ability is somehow linked to a post restriction, I'd wager that nobody would START the game with one in place.

Unless Sala, you have something that might contradict that?

Everyone else is pretty much not on my radar at the moment. Still getting a feel for names and whatnot.

VI

hasn't been overly scummy from what I can tell?

VOTE: ARONIS

Bolded are in a hood together!

While I can understand mentioning the first two, it looks like Vi was added because he knew he would eventually have to take a stance on the scum in the 3p neighborhood

[notscience]

Basically, the flandre slip from last borkgame

[notscience]

Ik

But I just said it

so wagon ho

[notscience]

(For those who aren't clear- I'm saying burner is scum with vi/reinoe)

[notscience]

NS: Friday, Nat, and myself are also his post and we are not connected in that hood.

Not a slip

No.

My point that is that in a playerlist of like 17, 6 people arem entioned, and 3 are

conveniently

in a hood together?

That doesn't raise an eyebrow?

Also, I'm saying 1 is scum. Idk which.

But fakegod hates me so I always get scum in my hood, whether it is actualy scum or a scum spy in a supposed masonry

[notscience]

NS, as a general rule, 3 in a hood has scum in it.

yes ik that

[notscience]

Titus

stop being distracted by shiny things

join the burner wagon

[notscience]

No

But I'm leaving sala to nati to read.

Why don't you like about my conclusion?

[notscience]

No

But I'm leaving sala to nati to read.

Why don't you like about my conclusion?

I do not understand the logical flow. He mentioned people so he must be scum? Huh?

I am not asking you for a Sala read. I am asking you whether the premuse is valid.

Yes it is.

And, no.

In last borkgame, one of flandre's lists included all 5 members of one of the neighborhoods. (she was scum with one of the neighbors)

What I'm saying is, because he recognized the names from pregame he subconciously slipped themin to the readslist.

[notscience]

LEt me rephrase.

What do you think the odds are that in a list of 6 people in a game, 3 of them are all in a hood together?

[notscience]

Yes.

[notscience]

I get your paranoia that he's just possibly doing a gambit again, and that he could be a scum vanillizer, but at the same time I feel like his entrance regarding the role felt really genuine. Like, I don't see why he'd target me as scum because I'd make myself obvious town and he'd be up a creek without a paddle.

That being said, I disagree with your stance regarding PRs. Yes, our PRs probably counter mafia PRs. But his role isn't exclusive to that he claims. So while I get yes, it is a dangerous role, he did the correct thing regardign claiming it.

I can see the logic behind your stance.

His role obviously does whatever he says it does, we need to wait to sort him though. He's claimed he's not using his role anymore. If anyone else claims to be vanillaized he's stuck.

pedit-

@Sala, I know there is I've been in most of fakegod's games

@Titus, I wasn't sure how to force the knowledge. But that bugged the fuck out of me when I saw it. I really want to pursue it.

pedit2-

How many? Idc who just how many in it

[notscience]

There's always multiple hoods in fakegod games

[notscience]

Fantastic.

[notscience]

17p=4/5 scum right?

[notscience]

I don't feel like it should only be in the game if it could be useful to town. I feel like it's just a role that fakegod wanted to try.

It could be useful if scum have some secret lategame mechanism.

If he vanillaizes a strong town PR, how is that any different from him having a vig?

pedit-

@Sala- No I don't think your scum. And burner isn't in my hood, which is why I'm pushing him for knowing WHO IS IN MY HOOD

[notscience]

you're

[notscience]

Idt scum have daytalk

my hood only has nighttalk

[notscience]

The point you're trying to make is that he can destroy a town PR.

So can a vig.

He doesn't change alignments, so town can still claim their respective pr for us to do setup spec with.

[notscience]

The point you're trying to make is that he can destroy a town PR.

So can a vig.

He doesn't change alignments, so town can still claim their respective pr for us to do setup spec with.

We do not get alignment of that player though. That is the info we lose.

Hopefully they towned it up enough.

The point is, it's kinda like a nerfed vig.

[notscience]

Titus, are you questioning the validity of the claim or are you questioning the alignment

[notscience]

Look at his first few posts when he's claiming to target me.

Does scum-vanillaguy

A) Claim his role like that

b) Have an activation that HAS to be posted

c) Say he's going to use it on someone he dislikes rather than a read

[notscience]

lol

my entire hood is on this wagon

[notscience]

A) This is just WIFOM.

C) i don't see why he'd find me a problem townie

[notscience]

Take a step back titus, you're tunneling

[notscience]

No.

The suspicion about another member of his hood in a "bus" scandal.

@Titus-

The bold thing about "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" was the activation. Read our interaction after.

[notscience]

I don't want mala's head yet.

burner/Vi though

there are some quality lynches

[notscience]

Okay.

Lets see this from his pov

"hey this guy I don't like is in this game, I bet he'd be real pissed if I took away a pr from him"

"oh, a chance to use the OTHER part of my role and actually help someone communicate and be a voice in the town!"

While I see your point about it being dangerous, are town always worried about repercussions?

[notscience]

Well, I'm sure you can find someone in this game who can answer that question for you

cough

nati

cough

[notscience]

OKAY

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE

PR is Power Role

pr is post restriction

[notscience]

Anyone not using that indication can gtfo

[notscience]

REally titus?

Think about that.

[notscience]

Oh

Thoguht we were talking about soemthing else

[notscience]

Oh my god

we'e about to scrap

holy fuck

[notscience]

She's going to lose

because I can obvtown about 326% harder than she can push me

[notscience]

^

emphasis on the first one

pedit-

See I'm not all bad

I did catch on to that

[notscience]

because I found that at first

when I was looking back to do my case I thought of it

but wasn't sure

so I posted that and read it a few times

then I was like

oh

fucking hell

[notscience]

Wasn't that obvious from the fact both our hoods have over 2 people

[notscience]

I kinda want to see him flip the fuck out when he gets back

but that's just me

[notscience]

You call that pressure?

It's like walking in to a mist station

Let me know when have actual reasons to push me mkay

Oh, and thanks for disbanding the wagon on your bud Vi. He'll be real appreciative in the QT.

[notscience]

I will do something else with my free time then.

does this something else include calling me town

[notscience]

No

But I'm leaving sala to nati to read.

Why don't you like about my conclusion?

I do not understand the logical flow. He mentioned people so he must be scum? Huh?

I am not asking you for a Sala read. I am asking you whether the premuse is valid.

Yes it is.

And, no.

In last borkgame, one of flandre's lists included all 5 members of one of the neighborhoods. (she was scum with one of the neighbors)

What I'm saying is, because he recognized the names from pregame he subconciously slipped themin to the readslist.

[notscience]

Last line

[notscience]

No. Not a gambit.

I need to do this now becausemy claim is scummy as hell and viscum would love to take a shot

If your claim is scummy, then why is Vi in particular the person that you're worried about?

Vote: Aronis

(L-8)

None!

It's based on a scumslip (which is what it was)

[notscience]

am not

[notscience]

I'm ready to dance whenever mala

But you're going to need to give me a little more than "lol hes so scum"

[notscience]

For example! Look at my play here compared to the last fakegod games (because fakegod games always give me power highs)

Yet I'm apparently scum

mhm.

pedit-

stay out of this

[notscience]

What are you thinking of vi thus far

pedit-

DONT YOU IGNORE ME

[notscience]

1) It's called a slip for a reason. I'll go pull up last borkgame and the slip if I have to.

2) Because my hood is A) The hood you aren't in/B) (at the moment) the only other hood you would konw of

3) Blaming conveniency

4) Diddly!

pedit1-

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay i rolled town

I have 0 idea how you haven't seen any of it in my posts

[notscience]

King of Hearts, Vanilla Town, in our hood.

This makes absolutely 0 sense to be in our hood

I just now saw this

we're the tea party

[notscience]

oh wait

[notscience]

im stupid ignore me

[notscience]

BAck to the point

You like his reaction to a quickwagon,


which as a newbie

instead of freaking out was to say

"oh guys im like whoa" rather than to have all shit hit the fan

and you're calling that a town reaction

pedit-

My next move when you flip scum (because you won't flip town) is to purge the scum in my neighborhood

[notscience]

She's trying to spite me

[notscience]

Why would I do that when the one I already have is correct

Thanks for confirming me as town though

pedit-

ok

thats nice

see mala stop pulling the defend the newbie card

pedit2-

Are you even kidding me ight now

what the hell is going on with our reads

we agree on jack shit

[notscience]

probably because you are town and I'm refusing to admit it for some reason

pretty much

[notscience]

^

Brian had really good reads too

[notscience]

his name is hiplop

also

WHERE IS MY OTHER SCUMBIRD

[notscience]

I'm also going to piss you off and raise an eyebrow at your last post mala

[notscience]

Spoiler: my actual neighbor qt with mala because this one is better than the one I actually got

hi

[notscience]

Spoiler: my actual neighbor QT

MALA STOP IGNORING ME

[notscience]

Spoiler: I forgot titus is also in this neighborhood, misread my role pm

Titus idk why mala's ignoring my reach out :/

pedit god damnit she just did it again

[notscience]

Spoiler: my actual neighborhood qt

You respond to it in a spoiler

because this is a neighborhood

so everyone else can't see it

duh.

I don't get what you're seeing about hiplop, I wasn't aware he'd actually posted anything

[notscience]

Mala can I level with you

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

I'm really kinda lost at this point. I was really confident on this wagon but it's kinda been fizzling. I've been sticking with it because I'm not really sure where to go if my initial read on him was wrong.

Fakegod doesn't have a rule about spoilers.

I don't care if you're townreading me or not just put up a charade and help me figure out what to do

It's not a joke this is an actual thing and we aren't letting burner in regardless

why aren't you townreading titus

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

Fair enough.

I don't really get the hiplop push tbh

Do you have any other wagon ideas?

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

Sell me on it. Nothing Katsuki's done thus far is pinging my radar.

Also, TMI Mala. I don't need to know about your hardons.

That being said I wouldn't be devastated if a wagon on Marquis appeared.

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

Have you played with Kats before?

Please don't trust me on that because wicked is a thing

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighhborhood qt

These spoilers are the only thing between us and the scum

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

see ^

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt that mala doesn't have to read if they annoy her that much

I'm going to need marquis to town it the fuck up because otherwise I'm going to be hung up on his slot all game

[notscience]

Spoiler: neighborhood qt

You weren't even a newbie in that game!

I'm growing to dislike that wagon but I'm still not sure where to go.

Yeah. He's in the game but hasn't posted anything. He's been kinda gone sitewide, but I want to work with him if he's town.

[notscience]

>.>

[notscience]

Can we wagon vi then?

[notscience]

VOTE: vi

[notscience]

I could

but it's me

so there's scum in my neighborhood

[notscience]

Becaue I'm town

reinoe's town

and it's a neighborhood Im in so scum has to be in it

[notscience]

really mala

why do you do this to me

[notscience]

iirc in lat borkgame there were 2 hoods

5 man and 3 man

5 man had the SK and a scum 3 man had 0

[notscience]

fucking lol

Marquis

fucking lol

This is going to be rich

[notscience]

VOTE: notsci

I don't want marquis to think I'm ignoring his reads

this is me acknowledging and sheepign

do tell why I am though

[notscience]

idk man

have you seen some of ns's reads

he's off a cliff a lot of the time

[notscience]

True, true

But will Marquis listen to NS's reads if he is wrong and ns is town?

I guess that's the big question

[notscience]

Mala
Titus
Skull
reinoe
Sala

are all town

Nati
katsuki
Prof Fridays
Aronis
Matt P
Marquis

Leaning town

[notscience]

k you can ml me now marquis

[notscience]

That town-marquis wouldn't be so thick to not see this is town-ns

[notscience]

As for 4burn, I'm not putting him in my townreads to pad my reads.

I'm not going to let anyone into my townreads after a slip like that so if he's actually scum I can say "ha he wasn't in my townreads" and if he's actually town I can say "well his fault for slipping like that"

[notscience]

Someone remind me in twilight that I have to take away Marquis's "able to read ns" card

pedit

sec

[notscience]

Hey all.

Sala is interesting with that opening. I'm inclined to see where it goes. Mason, unknown ability, and more point me toward leaning town, there. Too bold on day one for scum-ruse, my gut says.

NS

, Friday, Nata - all leaning town for me.

Aronis and Reinoe are standing out, for points already made. Aronis for flinging woo without putting a vote up with it,

Reinoe

for weirdness. In addition, if Sala's ability is somehow linked to a post restriction, I'd wager that nobody would START the game with one in place.

Unless Sala, you have something that might contradict that?

Everyone else is pretty much not on my radar at the moment. Still getting a feel for names and whatnot.

VI

hasn't been overly scummy from what I can tell?

VOTE: ARONIS

Bolded are in a hood together!

While I can understand mentioning the first two, it looks like Vi was added because he knew he would eventually have to take a stance on the scum in the 3p neighborhood

[notscience]

Nope, still town

[notscience]

In a list of 6 people in an early game readslist, 3 of them are conveniently in a hood together?

Or, he heard about the hood from his scumbuddy (Let's just call this scumbuddy Vi, shall we?) And then when he makes a readslist, he recognized those names from his qt and subconciously slipped it in

It's the flandre slip from last borkgame

[notscience]

He activates it one day but it doesn't take effect until the next

[notscience]

Also if I understand correctly the only read Katsuki has on me is

SCUMBIRD

And while it's a fantastic stance to have it's not a scumread

pedit-

I called it awkward, that's probably a better explanation

[notscience]

Marquis is just in denial

Because he has to keep up the charade of thinking I'm scum but deep down he knows I'm town

[notscience]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=37614

Why do I suspect vi?

3 person neighborhood

I'm town

Reinoe looks really town

Vi remains

[notscience]

SO many wagons.

Hard to choose just one.

Well, I suppose I can bus effectively, since it's so early in the game:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: notscience

Well, I suppose

I can bus

effectively, since it's so early in the game:

I can

bus

VOTE: rack


Dodgson's_method(Dodgson was another name for Lewis Carroll)

Dodgson's method is a voting system proposed by the author, mathematician and logician Charles Dodgson, better known as

Lewis Carroll.

The method is to extend the Condorcet method by swapping candidates until a Condorcet winner is found. The winner is the candidate which requires the minimum number of swaps. Dodgson proposed this voting scheme in his 1876 work "A method of taking votes on more than two issues". Given an integer k and an election, it is NP-complete to determine whether or not a candidate can become a Condorcet winner with fewer than k swaps.

This suspicion about someone in his hood being involved in a bussin comment.

It reminds me of my paranoia flaring when I saw burner mention all 3 of us.

So.

Similar reactions=similar motivations

[notscience]

I giggled

[notscience]

rogue's a hydra of me+mala

[notscience]

must

not

yolohammer

[notscience]

I don't think I've seen it yet

Nor do I want to

[notscience]

Aren't i always unique and pursue my own wagons.

i mean look at Hp3 lol.

(Yeah I'm really liking Vi for town.)

sell me on it por favor

[notscience]

HOLY FUCK

CAN I NOT PLAY FUCKING LEAGUE WITHOUT YOU GUYS RUNNING ME UP

Mala I want a promise you'll listen to my townbloc when I flip town

Mala's town
Titus is town
Marquis is town
Reinoe is town
Prof fridays leans town
Sala is town
MattP might be town
Katsuki leans town

[notscience]

VOTE: notscience

hurry up and quicklynch this

like

no questions

lynch it ASAP

If this is a PR claim you lynch him with fire

ignore my read

[notscience]

Well seeing as I look at this game and the VC and I'm at L-2 an hour into the day sorry if I ddin't want to waste time looking for the flip

[notscience]

I'm going to flip town

Mala

promise me

PROMISE ME

PROMISE

ME

PROMISE

That you'll lynch vi tomorrow.

[notscience]

+marquis

[notscience]

MR. soft investigative guilty on a fucking VT

[notscience]

why the fuck would you even do that

pedit-

MALA I DONT CARE YOURE MISLYNCHING ME RIGHT NOW

[notscience]

Seriously.

Trust me.

[notscience]

Like I could give two fucks if you guys lynch me right now but holy fuck don't let me die for fucking nothing

[notscience]

Mala if you don't lynch me now noone is going to do jack shit today

[notscience]

I'll see you tomorrow, Vi

fucking stupid

MARQUIS AND VI NEED ROPE

[notscience]

Aronis too

[notscience]

Marquis thanks for scumclaiming

[notscience]

Nati shut up right now

you're lynching csumvi tomorrow

If you guys let vi to endgame

I swear to god

[notscience]

I am going to smite the everliving fuck out of each and every one of you

[notscience]

Because this wagon was shit and noone took five seconds to realize it

[notscience]

Cut the shit.

[notscience]

You know damn well I would be gone if I was scum.

[notscience]

You all know damn well this wagon was shit and let it go through

[notscience]

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

LYNCH IT

OH MY GOD

[notscience]

MALA

PLEASe

TRUST ME

LYNCH VI

[notscience]

Marquis go eat a rock

[notscience]

Marquis/Vi/Aronis/X

[notscience]

IM TRYING TO JUNGLE BUT CANT

FUCKING A

[notscience]

Are you fucking kidding me

[notscience]

GG WP scum

[notscience]

Fucking morinic quicklynch

what the holy fuck were any town on that wagon thinking

[notscience]

MARQUIS/VI/ARONIS/X

They probably have some power that gets them even closer to lylo

pedit-

NO BECAUSE YOU GUYS FUCKING MISLYNCHED ME

[notscience]

And noone batted a fucking eye

[notscience]

Marquis softed a fucking pr and noone asked for a claim

[notscience]

March hare vt in tea party

[notscience]

I don't have time to cool off.

[notscience]

You aren't getting credit for your last minute "oh well" after the lynch

Enjoy the rope tomorrow

[notscience]

Scum's already won this, haven't they.

[notscience]

So basically, playerlist gets modkilled, scum skip lylo

G fucking G

[notscience]

VII) If you have failed to post twice in a full Day Phase, then you will be modkilled and automatically lose the game at end of the Day Phase.

gg 1/3 players modkilled lul

What's wrong with you idiots? If you srsly just speedlynched town.

YOU FUCKING HAMMERED ME

[notscience]

Katsuki

trust the scumbird

[notscience]

LYnch

VI>MARQUIS>ARONIS

[notscience]

You're a goddamn full of shit you idiot

[notscience]

Ugh what the fuck was this lynch

[notscience]

Not even a fucking hour

pedit-

DONT QUESTION ME

He softed an investigative

[notscience]

Look at the start of the day

that's an investigative soft

on a fucking VT

[notscience]

so are oyu chucklefuck

[notscience]

Ugh

fuck this shit

pedit

Nope, you're a scumfuck

ty for playing tho

[notscience]

I AM A COP YOU IDIOTS!

I COPPED FRIDAY AND NATIRASHA AND MY RESULTS WERE NEGATIVE.

Interesting.

Are you really trusting a twilight claim when he gets bad light for a shitty quickhammer that can potentially modkill half the playerlist

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seriously

what the fuck was that lynch

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^

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I like fakegod setups

pity I got quicklynched before I had a shot at trying to crack it

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Is it time for another touhou upick yet

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I'm still insanely salty.

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I love fakegod because he keeps giving me vig roles

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IVE HAD 2 HOW MANY HAVE YOU HAD